Sam Edozie

[Oldandtired]

1 hour ago, disconnect said:

Do we not think that in a more attacking team that Edozie would be pretty good? He's unpredictable, gets hacked down a lot leading to free kicks (or penalties) but it always feels is playing a bit within himself as his natural talent is breaking forward with the ball, whilst his coaching is to slowly pass, pass, pass. Not the finished article, but in a team with a different set up (see also Sulemana and Archer?) he could be quite effective. 

Let’s be honest about it…Russballsup would turn Messi into Stephens and Ronaldo into Manning, it’s that bad.

[Lighthouse]

3 hours ago, disconnect said:

Do we not think that in a more attacking team that Edozie would be pretty good? He's unpredictable, gets hacked down a lot leading to free kicks (or penalties) but it always feels is playing a bit within himself as his natural talent is breaking forward with the ball, whilst his coaching is to slowly pass, pass, pass. Not the finished article, but in a team with a different set up (see also Sulemana and Archer?) he could be quite effective. 

He did absolutely nothing under Ralph, Jones or Selles. He's not a PL player in any set up.

[disconnect]

18 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

He did absolutely nothing under Ralph, Jones or Selles. He's not a PL player in any set up.

I think the main thing with my point is that when he was signed he'd never played senior football, so not really a surprise he didn't do much. He's now gained a bit of experience and is gaining more on loan, and once we have a new manager playing more to his strengths, he could be a good asset.

In the premier league he's only made 5 starts, and was then never used by Selles, so I wouldn't write him off just yet.

[washsaint]

1 minute ago, disconnect said:

I think the main thing with my point is that when he was signed he'd never played senior football, so not really a surprise he didn't do much. He's now gained a bit of experience and is gaining more on loan, and once we have a new manager playing more to his strengths, he could be a good asset.

In the premier league he's only made 5 starts, and was then never used by Selles, so I wouldn't write him off just yet.

ANd why was he never used by Selles - because he's crap.  No end product, just a series of stepovers.

He has shown nothing in his time at Saints to indicate he is a PL player at all.  Between him and Larios, money wasted

[StrangelyBrown]

51 minutes ago, washsaint said:

ANd why was he never used by Selles - because he's crap.  No end product, just a series of stepovers.

He has shown nothing in his time at Saints to indicate he is a PL player at all.  Between him and Larios, money wasted

Is a Selles selection now a barometer of quality?

[Jeremy Corbyn]

1 hour ago, benjii said:

Edozie-----Stewart-----Armstrong

-----------Smallbone-----------

Goals, goals, goals!!!

Edozie hardly tearing it up in Belgium, I think that one is straying in to the territory of disaster - was it £10m for him and Larios?

[Holmes_and_Watson]

1 hour ago, Jeremy Corbyn said:

Edozie hardly tearing it up in Belgium, I think that one is straying in to the territory of disaster - was it £10m for him and Larios?

I think Edozie got 6 goals last time. Personally, I saw improvements in his game before he was shipped off to make room for Cornet.

The usual caveats apply about getting in the right players. Off the top of my head, a Romeu and Adams replacement. Possibly Stu. And yet more caveats about new manager and systems.

But basically, I was looking forward to seeing him back, and getting lots of minutes.

[Chez]

25 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

I think Edozie got 6 goals last time. Personally, I saw improvements in his game before he was shipped off to make room for Cornet.

What improvements did you see?

To be honest, I saw the exact same player as the season before, but facing far less quality of opponent. There were again lots of tricks, reasonable but not extreme speed, combined with being lightweight.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

9 minutes ago, Chez said:

What improvements did you see?

To be honest, I saw the exact same player as the season before, but facing far less quality of opponent. There were again lots of tricks, reasonable but not extreme speed, combined with being lightweight.

I saw him being more versatile in the things he was trying to do. He would vary how he would try to get past players. He'd be a bit more aware. And that fed into him having to adjust for there not being much support a lot of the time.

No doubt, the end product was still lacking. But then, I remember that being said when he scored 6 (I was a little surprised it was that too)

[Chez]

4 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

I saw him being more versatile in the things he was trying to do. He would vary how he would try to get past players. He'd be a bit more aware. And that fed into him having to adjust for there not being much support a lot of the time.

No doubt, the end product was still lacking. But then, I remember that being said when he scored 6 (I was a little surprised it was that too)

Is 6 goals in 36 games for one of the top scorers in the league all that?

I like your description there of him being a bit more aware. That might be true, but I didn't see a huge improvement. His game still needed a lot refining. It's hard to judge too as opponents were much worse, and we had a total domination of possession - so that made his life easier in terms of not needing to run towards his won goal all day.

For me he's just too lightweight for player that doesn't have blistering pace. He's got skills, and he can beat a man, which is brilliant, but if he hasn't beaten a man all ends up he get brushed off the ball. It's a shame he has had injury problems while out on loan. I fear he will come back pretty much the same guy.

[Badger]

27 minutes ago, Chez said:

What improvements did you see?

To be honest, I saw the exact same player as the season before, but facing far less quality of opponent. There were again lots of tricks, reasonable but not extreme speed, combined with being lightweight.

I saw him fluff a decent opportunity at the pre-season friendly at Oxford. That was enough to convince me there hadn't been  any improvements on last year. Quite the opposite. 

[Wade Garrett]

We were royally fucked over by Man City when we bought Edozie, Larios and Bazunu.  Waste of money.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

2 hours ago, Chez said:

Is 6 goals in 36 games for one of the top scorers in the league all that?

 

Aw. I have little enough hope hope left after this season. 🙂

[OldNick]

2 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

We were royally fucked over by Man City when we bought Edozie, Larios and Bazunu.  Waste of money.

To be fair Larios we cant really be the judge of, it is not his fault he got some bad injuries. Edozie still to mind could turn out well.

I still believe Wilcox has been let off the hook of criticism, he was lauded for all those good buys and getting RM but really was he that good? Man Utd dont seem to have improved in their recruitment since he went there

[Badger]

47 minutes ago, OldNick said:

To be fair Larios we cant really be the judge of, it is not his fault he got some bad injuries. Edozie still to mind could turn out well.

I still believe Wilcox has been let off the hook of criticism, he was lauded for all those good buys and getting RM but really was he that good? Man Utd dont seem to have improved in their recruitment since he went there

I think I judged Larios to be a shortarse and not suited to the English leagues after his debut cameo at Villa. Nothing to do with injuries.

Wilcox, inclined to agree that he has escaped criticism but I don’t recall many - if any - lauding him for bringing Martin to the club.  
 

He hasn’t set things alight at Man Utd with Ratcliffe and co. Perhaps he can’t reinvent the wheel as well as thought he could. Talks a good game though. 

[Wade Garrett]

2 hours ago, OldNick said:

To be fair Larios we cant really be the judge of, it is not his fault he got some bad injuries. Edozie still to mind could turn out well.

I still believe Wilcox has been let off the hook of criticism, he was lauded for all those good buys and getting RM but really was he that good? Man Utd dont seem to have improved in their recruitment since he went there

None of them worth anywhere near what we paid for them.  I think Larios and Bazunu are garbage, Edozie is a wait and see, but I’m not hopeful. Flatters to deceive.

Edited April 17 by Wade Garrett

[chivvy]

Bazunu has been poor in the Belgian league..saving shots seems to be his problem .. which for a keeper isn't great news 

Larios need to somewhere less physical stupid signing based on reselling.

Edozie is championship at best end product isn't great be it assists or goals 

Lavia profit can't be sniffed at .

 

Edited April 18 by chivvy

[Hodgey]

Lavia was the bright spot. Interestingly though speaking to a few Chelsea fans they’ve pretty much given up on him as he is their Larios…

[spyinthesky]

1 hour ago, Hodgey said:

Lavia was the bright spot. Interestingly though speaking to a few Chelsea fans they’ve pretty much given up on him as he is their Larios…

Does Livramento come into the good value category?

[Gloucester Saint]

8 hours ago, chivvy said:

Bazunu has been poor in the Belgian league..saving shots seems to be his problem .. which for a keeper isn't great news 

Larios need to somewhere less physical stupid signing based on reselling.

Edozie is championship at best end product isn't great be it assists or goals 

Lavia profit can't be sniffed at .

 

Not just us that aren’t convinced https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/southampton-urged-to-find-goalkeeper-replacement-in-summer/

[Turkish]

16 hours ago, Wade Garrett said:

None of them worth anywhere near what we paid for them.  I think Larios and Bazunu are garbage, Edozie is a wait and see, but I’m not hopeful. Flatters to deceive.

Edozie is like hundreds of wingers I’ve seen at all levels from kids to premier league that do lots of tricks but don’t really produce much. People that don’t really know much about football think they’re great because they’re flashy.

Bazunu was a joke signing, even now he’s baffling he was signed as number one in the premier league when he’d never played above league one aside from a few appearances for Ireland. just nonsensical to throw him in and hope he swam. 

larios might have been injured but looked miles off it when he did play

Man City must be pissing themselves they took £25m off us for them three. 

[Matthew Le God]

1 hour ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Not just us that aren’t convinced https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/southampton-urged-to-find-goalkeeper-replacement-in-summer/

That article is based on the views of one Saints fan. So he is one of 'us'.

[Matthew Le God]

36 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Edozie is like hundreds of wingers I’ve seen at all levels from kids to premier league that do lots of tricks but don’t really produce much.

He was our joint 3rd top scorer in the league last season, despite only playing in 32 games in a 46 game season. Only 16 of those 32 games were starts.

So for a 20/21 year old winger is 6 goals from 16 starts (and 16 second half sub appearances some of which were very short) not producing?

Edited April 18 by Matthew Le God

[Lighthouse]

44 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Edozie is like hundreds of wingers I’ve seen at all levels from kids to premier league that do lots of tricks but don’t really produce much. People that don’t really know much about football think they’re great because they’re flashy.

Bazunu was a joke signing, even now he’s baffling he was signed as number one in the premier league when he’d never played above league one aside from a few appearances for Ireland. just nonsensical to throw him in and hope he swam. 

larios might have been injured but looked miles off it when he did play

Man City must be pissing themselves they took £25m off us for them three. 

That's not a particularly large amount these days though, infact for three players I'd say it was dirt cheap. I'm fairly sure we could make our money back on them if it came to it. The injuries to Larios complicate things but if SAA is a £10m player then so are Baz and Edozie.

[Matthew Le God]

Just now, Lighthouse said:

That's not a particularly large amount these days though, infact for three players I'd say it was dirt cheap. I'm fairly sure we could make our money back on them if it came to it. The injuries to Larios complicate things but if SAA is a £10m player then so are Baz and Edozie.

Exactly, we even sold Mara for £10.2m!

[Turkish]

1 hour ago, Lighthouse said:

That's not a particularly large amount these days though, infact for three players I'd say it was dirt cheap. I'm fairly sure we could make our money back on them if it came to it. The injuries to Larios complicate things but if SAA is a £10m player then so are Baz and Edozie.

If resale value is your only concern. I’m sure we could have found a better place to spend £25m on than they worst goalkeeper in the championship, an average winger and a left back who barely played. 

[bangkoksaint]

Lavia………………..sold for £53M and has played 12 times. 

[Graffito]

4 hours ago, Hodgey said:

Lavia was the bright spot. Interestingly though speaking to a few Chelsea fans they’ve pretty much given up on him as he is their Larios…

They’re Chelsea fans. Inveterate moaners. He’s a very good footballer. 

[Lighthouse]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

If resale value is your only concern. I’m sure we could have found a better place to spend £25m on than they worst goalkeeper in the championship, an average winger and a left back who barely played. 

Undoubtedly there are better players who would have been more useful to Saints but I'd strongly disagree that we got mugged off for £25m. I think Larios and Edozie were more of a punt along the Mayuka line of thinking. There's an outside chance they might come good and if they don't we'll make our money back and go again.

[Badger]

3 hours ago, Graffito said:

They’re Chelsea fans. Inveterate moaners. He’s a very good footballer. 

When he’s not injured 

[Turkish]

2 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

Undoubtedly there are better players who would have been more useful to Saints but I'd strongly disagree that we got mugged off for £25m. I think Larios and Edozie were more of a punt along the Mayuka line of thinking. There's an outside chance they might come good and if they don't we'll make our money back and go again.

You’re probably right we probably didn’t get mugged off actually as we probably knew exactly what we were doing. I expect Man City couldn’t believe their luck. As for a gamble and if it doesn’t work out we go again, well we’ve done that for the last 8 year or so, remind me how it’s worked out 

[Gloucester Saint]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

You’re probably right we probably didn’t get mugged off actually as we probably knew exactly what we were doing. I expect Man City couldn’t believe their luck. As for a gamble and if it doesn’t work out we go again, well we’ve done that for the last 8 year or so, remind me how it’s worked out 

The obsession to find the next Livramento or Lavia has destroyed the club as a competitive entity, at least at PL level. 

Edited April 18 by Gloucester Saint

[Holmes_and_Watson]

2 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

The obsession to find the next Livramento or Lavia has destroyed the club as a competitive entity, at least at PL level. 

Greed married with stupidity.

We got a couple of players who were beyond their youth academy, but just couldn't get into a top side.

So, SR immediately think we can widen that net to players who aren't at that level, and dump the more expensive senior players.

[ApprenticeBillionaire]

15 hours ago, Gloucester Saint said:

The obsession to find the next Livramento or Lavia has destroyed the club as a competitive entity, at least at PL level. 

Exactly.

We've been chasing a business model that we got extremely lucky with 12 fucking years ago.

We had Paul Mitchell pulling rabbits out of hats. 

Chasing that model as you say has completely destroyed us.

[Saint Fan CaM]

On 19/04/2025 at 10:50, ApprenticeBillionaire said:

Exactly.

We've been chasing a business model that we got extremely lucky with 12 fucking years ago.

We had Paul Mitchell pulling rabbits out of hats. 

Chasing that model as you say has completely destroyed us.

Thing is, most clubs would adopt a buy low/sell high business model if they could. We’ve had some success in the past. The issue is that success in that market is dependent on two things… (a) that the first team is actually competing at the highest level and (b) the quality of squad is not diminished by selling said talent, either through excellent new signings and/or excellent youth talent stepping up. The last 5-6 years has seen those fundamentals forgotten or ignored, with successive regimes getting more and more desperate to make a ‘quick buck’.

[Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd]

On 17/04/2025 at 16:32, Wade Garrett said:

We were royally fucked over by Man City when we bought Edozie, Larios and Bazunu.  Waste of money.

Jason Wilcox should be investigated for that. I bet he had his pockets lined by somebody for those deals. 

[Gloucester Saint]

28 minutes ago, Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd said:

Jason Wilcox should be investigated for that. I bet he had his pockets lined by somebody for those deals. 

Wasn’t at the club until 2023? That was Joe Shields who scarpered to Chelsea very rapidly? 

[Chez]

30 minutes ago, Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd said:

Jason Wilcox should be investigated for that. I bet he had his pockets lined by somebody for those deals. 

Wilcox wasn't even at Saints when Edozie, Larios and Bazunu signed for us. Shields will have made a recommendation, not that everyone involved in scouting would have been well aware of all three players.

Edited Tuesday at 18:19 by Chez