Sam Edozie

[Patches O Houlihan]

On 27/12/2023 at 21:52, Osvaldorama said:

I don’t understand why Sulemana is rated so highly by fans. He has done nothing in his time here except sulk. 
 

Edozie miles better

Because of the Liverpool goals, the training goals we saw on the club website, and the fact he holds the record for fastest player at the recent World Cup. 
In the Championship this should equal prolific, and yet somehow it hasn’t… yet. 
Looking forward to him coming back and crossing to more confident & trusting teammates - would be a shame if he moved on before we had seen the best of him.

[OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint]

I'm in the Sam camp. Physically he's not as strong as Sulemana, but when Sam has the ball, there's the feeling that's something positive is going to happen - and that's not just in the last couple of games. He also has a rough idea where the goal is. Contrast that to Sule who flatters to deceive. His control is rank, his crossing is rank and he can't shoot. 

[gio1saints]

I enjoy watch him close up first half from block41 when defenders still fresh and some think they have started to work out how he thinks and his positioning a lot better. He does seem to have the beating of most his rb’s all the same! And he only needs do it once successfully for it to be a good chance or a goal. Give him the ball wide 4 times in a match and we should get at least one good chance out of it, if not a goal. I’m sure there’s a ratio evident from matches played but the gist is : if in doubt give him the ball! 

Down side of course is if we give it Sam and he’s isolated then tries something & loses possession we are open to counterattack. Hence we tend to slowly press upfield gaining territory in rugby talk - then give it to him.
KS for example would love the ball way faster. And thets possibly why he seems to look frustrated a lot of the time. And not deliver. 

Edited 29 December, 2023 by gio1saints

[coalman]

As a winger I don't think I've seen many players with the ability to beat their man that he has. The thing that's been missing for him has been end product. This season he has added end product. If he keeps developing then we're heading into Lavia territory of accepting that we should enjoy him for as long as we can until someone drops a ton of cash on him.

Of our other wingers

- Sulemana has blistering pace but limited end product.

- Fraser is incredibly direct so perfect for the end of games or when we're looking to play fast on the break

- Amo-Ameyaw has probably more skill and potential overall but needs a chance to grow into it.

[coalman]

That tackle he made tracking back last night was vital. Another thing he's added to his game this season is getting stuck in and winning the ball back. He used to just bounce off other players or get shrugged aside. Seeing him win the ball cleanly more and more.

[Bad Wolf]

On 29/12/2023 at 01:47, Osvaldorama said:

Do you even watch games? 
 

Alcaraz clearly puts 100% into every game even when it’s going badly. What a ludicrous comparison 

Not denying that. But he's nowhere near the finished product. Not as great as everyone makes him out to be. 

[Badger]

On 30/12/2023 at 10:27, coalman said:

That tackle he made tracking back last night was vital. Another thing he's added to his game this season is getting stuck in and winning the ball back. He used to just bounce off other players or get shrugged aside. Seeing him win the ball cleanly more and more.

Excellent tracking back by Edozie. Hadn’t realised it was him at the match, but seeing it in highlights realised how far he’d come to make the tackle in.
 

Vast improvement on the limp running back against Sunderland on their first goal earlier in the season.

[Osvaldorama]

23 hours ago, Bad Wolf said:

Not denying that. But he's nowhere near the finished product. Not as great as everyone makes him out to be. 

He has a lot to learn, but his dedication and hard work is there for all to see. He has a fantastic shot & football brain. I think he could develop into a truly fantastic footballer. 
 

Sulemana has some of the physical attributes but I am not sure he has the mentality. I agree with someone above that it will be good to see him in a more confident / winning team. But truthfully I don’t think he wants to be here at all from his body language. 

[goodymatt]

Hoping his injury isn’t serious, having been in great form for us. If he is out for a period, suddenly we only have Fraser as a proper winger, with SAA in reserve and Arma playing wide at the moment. You can see why we are interested in bringing in a RW player.

[Dman]

On 30/12/2023 at 18:57, Bad Wolf said:

Not denying that. But he's nowhere near the finished product. Not as great as everyone makes him out to be. 

Alcaraz doesn't suit the way in which we're asking him to play. 

He'd absolutely destroy this leauge for a team that plays a bit faster on the counter attack. 

[saint francis]

22 minutes ago, goodymatt said:

Hoping his injury isn’t serious, having been in great form for us. If he is out for a period, suddenly we only have Fraser as a proper winger, with SAA in reserve and Arma playing wide at the moment. You can see why we are interested in bringing in a RW player.

Thought I got a glimpse of him wearing one of those surgical boots things halfway through the second half.  Probably just a precaution until they can get it Xrayed.  

[goodymatt]

1 hour ago, saint francis said:

Thought I got a glimpse of him wearing one of those surgical boots things halfway through the second half.  Probably just a precaution until they can get it Xrayed.  

I saw this too, protective boot and on crutches. Probably not a good sign but could just be a precaution. I’m sure we will find out over the weekend.

[JRM]

4 hours ago, goodymatt said:

I saw this too, protective boot and on crutches. Probably not a good sign but could just be a precaution. I’m sure we will find out over the weekend.

Looks bad in this picture 

[JRM]

 

[notnowcato]

31 minutes ago, JRM said:

 

Filthy bastard

[badgerx16]

1 hour ago, JRM said:

 

 

1 hour ago, notnowcato said:

Filthy bastard

Would VAR have reviewed it ?

[CSA96]

Russell Martin says Sam Edozie is out until end of Jan, perhaps even start of Feb

[Verbal]

2 minutes ago, CSA96 said:

Russell Martin says Sam Edozie is out until end of Jan, perhaps even start of Feb

Not as bad as I'd imagined - here's hoping... That tackle was a fucking outrage.

[Greedyfly]

When's Sulemana back?

[Saint Garrett]

17 minutes ago, Greedyfly said:

When's Sulemana back?

End of Jan too by the sounds of it.

[SaintTex]

On 02/01/2024 at 11:36, JRM said:

 

watching that at full speed, i am ok with just a yellow. Yeah, it looks bad, but i see no intent. To me he was clearly extending his leg to block the ball - Edozie just too quick. 

[egg]

1 hour ago, CSA96 said:

Russell Martin says Sam Edozie is out until end of Jan, perhaps even start of Feb

Better than I expected to be honest. Caught him at speed and kept his foot in. Edozie got relatively lucky. 

[notnowcato]

21 minutes ago, SaintTex said:

watching that at full speed, i am ok with just a yellow. Yeah, it looks bad, but i see no intent. To me he was clearly extending his leg to block the ball - Edozie just too quick. 

The filthy mustard bastard knew exactly what he was doing.  

[SaintBobby]

RM says he's out for Jan, hopefully back in Feb

[BERMUDASAINT]

Great to see twinkle toes back. So good with the ball at his feet, can beat a player at will, and do it again for fun. Got a few goals and shows confidence in himself. We have another great youth sighning working his way to great football career.

 

 

 

 

 

[Doctoroncall]

Report on his current loan:

The youngster made three appearances for his Saints at the start of the season before it was decided his time would be better spent in Belgium. Russell Martin is convinced the winger has a future at St Mary’s but wanted greater proof after being in and out of the team during their promotion campaign. At Anderlecht he has been exposed to the Europa League, scoring in the win over Ludogorets, which can only aid his development. Edozie and Anderlecht endured a poor start, causing Brian Riemer to be sacked in October, but sit fourth. In his nine league appearances, the highlight was his first goal, a fine individual run and rasping finish at Dender.

[saintant]

2 hours ago, Doctoroncall said:

Report on his current loan:

The youngster made three appearances for his Saints at the start of the season before it was decided his time would be better spent in Belgium. Russell Martin is convinced the winger has a future at St Mary’s but wanted greater proof after being in and out of the team during their promotion campaign. At Anderlecht he has been exposed to the Europa League, scoring in the win over Ludogorets, which can only aid his development. Edozie and Anderlecht endured a poor start, causing Brian Riemer to be sacked in October, but sit fourth. In his nine league appearances, the highlight was his first goal, a fine individual run and rasping finish at Dender.

Typically underwhelming then.

[Oldandtired]

15 hours ago, saintant said:

Typically underwhelming then.

…..but still an improvement on what we have to endure in front of us at St. Mary’s each week.

[Chewy]

21 minutes ago, Oldandtired said:

…..but still an improvement on what we have to endure in front of us at St. Mary’s each week.

I’d rather a frustrating Edozie on the left wing than Sulemana, Manning, Fraser, Cornet or BBD.

If ever there was a position that summed up our quantity over quality mentality it’s here - 6 left midfielders, all sub-standard. At least Edozie has the potential to get better if played. So we sent him out and kept the other 5. Genius.

Edited 16 November, 2024 by Chewy
Typo

[coalman]

12 minutes ago, Chewy said:

I’d rather a frustrating Edozie on the left wing than Sulemana, Manning, Fraser, Cornet or BBD.

If ever there was a position that summed up our quantity over quality mentality it’s here - 6 left midfielders, all sub-standard. At least Edozie has the potential to get better if played. So we sent him out and kept the other 5. Genius.

At the very least the opposing fullback knows he's going to be pressure on the outside and that Edozie isn't just going to just check back and pass backwards so we'd have a chance of stretching play. Edozie was making real progress until he got injured last season then Rothwell and Brooks were brought in and then he got frozen out. Nowadays we play either Manning or Armstrong out left.

[Guest]

I’d take him back over the dregs we have currently.

He’s semi-unpredictable.
In the sense you know there will be little end product and he will lose it eventually, you just don’t know after which step over it’ll be.

Edited 17 November, 2024 by FarehamSaintJames

[Turkish]

26 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

I’d take him back over the dregs we have currently.

He’s semi-unpredictable.
In the sense you know there will be little end product and he will lose it eventually, you just don’t know after which step over it’ll be.

Agreed. What will solve all our problems is a player whose had a couple do decent games in about the 12th strongest league in Europe after doing nothing in two years with us. A proven Belgian league front two of fandabedozi and tall Paul will fire us to safety 

[hypochondriac]

Edozie is not good enough. Do you really think he would look anything other than total crap in the prem? Hopefully he improves enough that he can do a job in a lower league next season. 

Edited 17 November, 2024 by hypochondriac

[Osvaldorama]

12 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Edozie is not good enough. Do you really think he would look anything other than total crap in the prem? Hopefully he improves enough that he can do a job in a lower league next season. 

Problem is I agree with this, but all our other options are even worse….

[austsaint]

12 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Edozie is not good enough. Do you really think he would look anything other than total crap in the prem? Hopefully he improves enough that he can do a job in a lower league next season. 

While I agree with you to a point; I’d take Edozie at left-side wing rather than -the last three games featuring- Ryan Manning everyday of the week.   Wouldn’t you? At least he has the attributes of an attacking player; has youth on his side and may yet show improvement to at least be an influential Championship player; particularly with a different Manager, ie not Martin.

[BarberSaint]

Probably his level, or he can do a Hoedt and end up at Watford. How much can we make on him now? And what's Man City's cut?

[Lighthouse]

23 hours ago, Chewy said:

I’d rather a frustrating Edozie on the left wing than Sulemana, Manning, Fraser, Cornet or BBD.

If ever there was a position that summed up our quantity over quality mentality it’s here - 6 left midfielders, all sub-standard. At least Edozie has the potential to get better if played. So we sent him out and kept the other 5. Genius.

A classic case of fans believing the guy who's not playing must be better than the guys who are, simply because he's not playing. Edozie has done nothing in the PL and there's no reason to think he'd do anything more than Fraser, Sully or Cornet have achieved. He'll be an alright option in next season's Championship squad but if we did sell him, I wouldn't cry for too long.

[hypochondriac]

26 minutes ago, austsaint said:

While I agree with you to a point; I’d take Edozie at left-side wing rather than -the last three games featuring- Ryan Manning everyday of the week.   Wouldn’t you? At least he has the attributes of an attacking player; has youth on his side and may yet show improvement to at least be an influential Championship player; particularly with a different Manager, ie not Martin.

Not sure I'd take him to be honest. It's just replacing one ineffective option with another one. 

[Wade Garrett]

23 hours ago, Chewy said:

I’d rather a frustrating Edozie on the left wing than Sulemana, Manning, Fraser, Cornet or BBD.

If ever there was a position that summed up our quantity over quality mentality it’s here - 6 left midfielders, all sub-standard. At least Edozie has the potential to get better if played. So we sent him out and kept the other 5. Genius.

Might be a bit different if the wingers were given the ball behind the full backs to run onto and cross into our players marauding forward.

Instead of getting the ball to feet facing the wrong way and the players plodding forward like a bunch of geriatrics.

Our wingers have no chance.

Edited 17 November, 2024 by Wade Garrett

[Chewy]

2 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

A classic case of fans believing the guy who's not playing must be better than the guys who are, simply because he's not playing. Edozie has done nothing in the PL and there's no reason to think he'd do anything more than Fraser, Sully or Cornet have achieved. He'll be an alright option in next season's Championship squad but if we did sell him, I wouldn't cry for too long.

A classic case of someone not reading the comment they’re reacting to properly.

I didn’t say he was better, I said they’re all sub-standard. But, IMHO, at least Edozie has the potential to get better. FWIW i think Fraser is probably the best but his form is off and I’m concerned his legs are going. Then, insanely, I’d probably rate Manning next best, but only because BBD and Sulemana are beyond atrocious. I’d honestly rather see Moi back than play either of those. And like everyone else I have no idea if Cornet is any good. He did have a good game v us for Burnley about 3 years ago but nothing since then so I’m sceptical.

On balance then, I don’t think seeing Edozie out therei instead of one of those is the worst idea in football. Certainly better than many of Russ’ choices this season

[Lighthouse]

30 minutes ago, Chewy said:

A classic case of someone not reading the comment they’re reacting to properly.

I didn’t say he was better, I said they’re all sub-standard. But, IMHO, at least Edozie has the potential to get better. FWIW i think Fraser is probably the best but his form is off and I’m concerned his legs are going. Then, insanely, I’d probably rate Manning next best, but only because BBD and Sulemana are beyond atrocious. I’d honestly rather see Moi back than play either of those. And like everyone else I have no idea if Cornet is any good. He did have a good game v us for Burnley about 3 years ago but nothing since then so I’m sceptical.

On balance then, I don’t think seeing Edozie out therei instead of one of those is the worst idea in football. Certainly better than many of Russ’ choices this season

I read it, there's just no reason at all to think he'd offer anything beyond the very limited contribution of the other players you mentioned. "Has the potential to get better," is just estate agent speak for being crap. He's looked like nothing other than a reasonable enough option in the Championship, without being anything special, last season. If he was here and Sully was out on loan, people would be saying what you're saying about the latter. 

[Whitey Grandad]

6 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

I read it, there's just no reason at all to think he'd offer anything beyond the very limited contribution of the other players you mentioned. "Has the potential to get better," is just estate agent speak for being crap. He's looked like nothing other than a reasonable enough option in the Championship, without being anything special, last season. If he was here and Sully was out on loan, people would be saying what you're saying about the latter. 

My wife liked property development programmes and whenever we passed a derelict ruin we would always comment “development opportunity”

[Holmes_and_Watson]

2 hours ago, Wade Garrett said:

Might be a bit different if the wingers were given the ball behind the full backs to run onto and cross into our players marauding forward.

Instead of getting the ball to feet facing the wrong way and the players plodding forward like a bunch of geriatrics.

Our wingers have no chance.

In his few games this season, I could see improvements in Edozie's game. He tried a variety of things in trying to take on opponents, get to the lines and hold up play. The end product wasn't there yet. Some of that is that he's less direct than Manning, SAA or Dibling. Some is having to wait for someone to appear, to pass it to.  Cutbacks to AA, rather than having the more clinical Archer available. And some was just the decision making.

So, not as direct as some, not having the pace of Sule and not having the experience of Fraser, AA or Cornet dropped him way down the pecking order.

He got 6 goals in the Championship. So, hopefully he gets plenty of game time and develops this season, as that's where we'revery likely to be next time. By then a few others may have moved on, giving him game time with us again.

[Tommy Mulgrew]

1 hour ago, Whitey Grandad said:

wife liked property development programmes and whenever we passed a derelict ruin we would always comment “development opportunity”

Is that why she is married to you?  Just asking for a friend.

😉

[Whitey Grandad]

6 hours ago, Tommy Mulgrew said:

Is that why she is married to you?  Just asking for a friend.

😉

She knew the value that could be got out of an old ruin 😊

She sadly passed away in October last year but she’s still with me in many respects.

[Saint_clark]

On 16/11/2024 at 10:00, Chewy said:

I’d rather a frustrating Edozie on the left wing than Sulemana, Manning, Fraser, Cornet or BBD.

If ever there was a position that summed up our quantity over quality mentality it’s here - 6 left midfielders, all sub-standard. At least Edozie has the potential to get better if played. So we sent him out and kept the other 5. Genius.

I don't see much difference between Edozie and Sulemana to be honest, besides Edozie having a bit more skill and Sulemana having a better shot. I agree that I would actually rather see both of them playing and actually attacking fullbacks than what we do now, but there isn't much of a distinction between the two of them. 

[Dr Who?]

20 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

I don't see much difference between Edozie and Sulemana to be honest, besides Edozie having a bit more skill and Sulemana having a better shot. I agree that I would actually rather see both of them playing and actually attacking fullbacks than what we do now, but there isn't much of a distinction between the two of them. 

I would like to see this as well, not Edozie but players that can run at the defence rather than just tapping it around. I’m all for playing football and keeping the ball, but you need to hurt defences when you have the ball and be a little more direct by running at them. Stuart Armstrong used to go on a run through the middle, we just do not have this anymore from anyone. I thought this is why we have Fraser and Cornet, but does not seem to be the case. 

[Roo1976]

19 minutes ago, Dr Who? said:

I would like to see this as well, not Edozie but players that can run at the defence rather than just tapping it around. I’m all for playing football and keeping the ball, but you need to hurt defences when you have the ball and be a little more direct by running at them. Stuart Armstrong used to go on a run through the middle, we just do not have this anymore from anyone. I thought this is why we have Fraser and Cornet, but does not seem to be the case. 

Dibbling does..................

[Saint_clark]

1 hour ago, Roo1976 said:

Dibbling does..................

Every game it's coached out of him a little more. 

[disconnect]

Do we not think that in a more attacking team that Edozie would be pretty good? He's unpredictable, gets hacked down a lot leading to free kicks (or penalties) but it always feels is playing a bit within himself as his natural talent is breaking forward with the ball, whilst his coaching is to slowly pass, pass, pass. Not the finished article, but in a team with a different set up (see also Sulemana and Archer?) he could be quite effective.