Sam Edozie

[Lighthouse]

Signs

[hypochondriac]

Any idea what he's like? Assumes this is a good signing based on the experience of our head of recruitment. 

[Saint Matty 76]

£8m rising to £10m with add-ons. Buy-back (no idea on fee) & sell-on for City. Plays on both wings.

 

Edited 1 September, 2022 by Saint Matty 76

[Toadhall Saint]

Welcome aboard

[Colinjb]

A lot of money on a kid...... Hope he follows hot on the heels of Bazunu, Lavia and Livramento. Welcome aboard nipper.

Edited 1 September, 2022 by Colinjb

[Ex Lion Tamer]

7 minutes ago, Saint Matty 76 said:

£8m rising to £10m with add-ons. Buy-back (no idea on fee) & sell-on for City. Plays on both wings.

 

I'm not sure how much he'll offer this season but he certainly looks like he has plenty of potential

[Saint Matty 76]

Good words. I think he'll have a bigger role than anticipated considering the lack of Gakpo.

[Saint_clark]

Just now, Ex Lion Tamer said:

I'm not sure how much he'll offer this season but he certainly looks like he has plenty of potential

Sounds like he's expecting game time.

[Toadhall Saint]

2 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

Sounds like he's expecting game time.

I think he’ll get it given the 5 subs we can use.

[Ex Lion Tamer]

2 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

Sounds like he's expecting game time.

Yeah I'm going to change my mind slightly as he's turning 20 in January, so he ought to be able to contribute. But he does look pretty raw on that video at least

[Saint_clark]

Just now, Toadhall Saint said:

I think he’ll get it given the 5 subs we can use.

Definitely, he'll take Walcott's spot on the bench and get used. I can see Elyounoussi dropping to the bench for Djenepo and getting much less game time now.

[Turkish]

Another Turkish thread 

#bewareoffalseprophets

 

[Toadhall Saint]

1 minute ago, Turkish said:

Another Turkish thread 

#bewareoffalseprophets

 

I feel for you after the great word smithing you have been usurped 

[Turkish]

 

15 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Any idea what he's like? Assumes this is a good signing based on the experience of our head of recruitment. 

young, hungry and guaranteed to improve 

[davefizzy14]

Exciting young player, welcome on board Sam Edozie

[Saint86]

Wasn't there already a thread covering Sam Edozie?

[Turkish]

21 minutes ago, Saint86 said:

Wasn't there already a thread covering Sam Edozie?

And maitland-Niles and caleta-car. Turkish only deals in FACTS. Miles ahead of the rest at this game. I remember the days when Jimmy d would issue infractions for starting a thread on a subject that there was already one on

[Turkish]

 

this kid sounds really exciting 

[egg]

56 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

So the issue wasn't with Edozie last year then, it was with the failure of our more experienced players to deliver. 

No. Edozie was crap last year. He was signed to deliver. He didn't. We could go around the houses all day mate, I'll still be of the opinion that he was shit last season. 

[Fabrice29]

1 minute ago, egg said:

No. Edozie was crap last year. He was signed to deliver. He didn't. We could go around the houses all day mate, I'll still be of the opinion that he was shit last season. 

He was signed to help the first team and be a long term signing. That’s literally what it was advertised as. He did okay and guess what, he’s still got a few years left in him.

[egg]

Just now, Fabrice29 said:

He was signed to help the first team and be a long term signing. That’s literally what it was advertised as. He did okay and guess what, he’s still got a few years left in him.

This is tedious. Any arguing that he genuinely helped the first team is talking nonsense. Sure, by a kid for the future, ease them in off the bench and in cip games, but this kid was plainly bought for the first team but wasn't up to it.

Don't tell me that you use the same argument for Bazunu. 

[Fabrice29]

1 minute ago, egg said:

This is tedious. Any arguing that he genuinely helped the first team is talking nonsense. Sure, by a kid for the future, ease them in off the bench and in cip games, but this kid was plainly bought for the first team but wasn't up to it.

Don't tell me that you use the same argument for Bazunu. 

I think Bazunu will improve if that’s what you’re asking? 

[egg]

4 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

I think Bazunu will improve if that’s what you’re asking? 

You know exactly what I was asking.

Like Edozie he wasn't good enough last season for our first team. How good either of them is irrelevant to how bad they were last season. You judge them on hope, I judge them on the reality of how they performed. Kids playing kids football can be viewed on hope, not young players signed for millions and playing for the first team. 

[hypochondriac]

28 minutes ago, egg said:

No. Edozie was crap last year. He was signed to deliver. He didn't. We could go around the houses all day mate, I'll still be of the opinion that he was shit last season. 

So if we'd done what we should have done and brought in some experience alongside Edozie whilst he learnt his craft last season, would you still be saying he was signed to deliver in his first season in the Premier league? His signing was not the problem, failing to sign others of a different profile so we're forced to be overly reliant on the young talent was the issue. 

[Fabrice29]

22 minutes ago, egg said:

You know exactly what I was asking.

Like Edozie he wasn't good enough last season for our first team. How good either of them is irrelevant to how bad they were last season. You judge them on hope, I judge them on the reality of how they performed. Kids playing kids football can be viewed on hope, not young players signed for millions and playing for the first team. 

‘Good enough last season for the first team’ has very much been watered down from ‘failure’ so you’re learning. It’s good to see your development. Imagine where you’ll be in a few years.

[Chez]

1 hour ago, egg said:

No. Edozie was crap last year. He was signed to deliver. He didn't. We could go around the houses all day mate, I'll still be of the opinion that he was shit last season. 

I agree with you that Edozie wasn't any cop, but he was a 19 year old £7m signing, so I don't agree he was expected to go straight into the first team and `deliver' huge things immediately. Your expectations as to his impact seem quite high. Perhaps higher than the management will have been?

[Chez]

1 hour ago, hypochondriac said:

So if we'd done what we should have done and brought in some experience alongside Edozie whilst he learnt his craft last season, would you still be saying he was signed to deliver in his first season in the Premier league? His signing was not the problem, failing to sign others of a different profile so we're forced to be overly reliant on the young talent was the issue. 

Like Aribo?

[hypochondriac]

3 minutes ago, Chez said:

Like Aribo?

Yeah he was shit. Failing to sign the right experienced players (or not signing any) was the issue. 

[AlexLaw76]

1 minute ago, hypochondriac said:

Yeah he was shit. Failing to sign the right experienced players (or not signing any) was the issue. 

Maybe we should have pooled the money on pointless signings and actually bought quality in the summer.

[Saint86]

18 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Yeah he was shit. Failing to sign the right experienced players (or not signing any) was the issue. 

Unless you're egg, in which case the u21 squad player is the failure 😂

[Turkish]

20 minutes ago, Saint86 said:

Unless you're egg, in which case the u21 squad player is the failure 😂

he wasn't signed to be an U21 squad player. It really isn't that hard to understand.

[hypochondriac]

4 minutes ago, Turkish said:

he wasn't signed to be an U21 squad player. It really isn't that hard to understand.

What evidence do you have that he was being signed as a starter? At 7 million I would say he was very much a squad player, one that woukd show enough quality that we could flog him in a few years for a profit (something that could still happen) 

[pimpin4rizeal]

52 minutes ago, Chez said:

I agree with you that Edozie wasn't any cop, but he was a 19 year old £7m signing, so I don't agree he was expected to go straight into the first team and `deliver' huge things immediately. Your expectations as to his impact seem quite high. Perhaps higher than the management will have been?

I don’t think edozie was crap .. looks a good dribbler and  would have much preferred to give him game time then moi.. jones was the only one who seemed to play him a lot though and selles froze him out completely ..

personally I think he will be a big player for us this season 

[Turkish]

5 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

What evidence do you have that he was being signed as a starter? At 7 million I would say he was very much a squad player, one that woukd show enough quality that we could flog him in a few years for a profit (something that could still happen) 

Southampton sign City's Edozie - BBC Sport

Ralph Hasenhuttl said: "Samuel is another promising young player who brings good attacking qualities to us, and he is someone who fits very well with our philosophy.

"He is a quick player who has impressive technical ability, so he will be able to help our squad immediately, but we also see a lot of potential in him for the future"

Did he help our squad immediately? 

Edited 7 July, 2023 by Turkish

[egg]

1 hour ago, Chez said:

I agree with you that Edozie wasn't any cop, but he was a 19 year old £7m signing, so I don't agree he was expected to go straight into the first team and `deliver' huge things immediately. Your expectations as to his impact seem quite high. Perhaps higher than the management will have been?

So you're saying that the club signed a first team player, but without an expectation that he'd perform to the standard required of the first team in the PL. That's non sensical. The expectation was plainly that he'd produce, otherwise he wouldn't have been picked to play. 

[egg]

48 minutes ago, Saint86 said:

Unless you're egg, in which case the u21 squad player is the failure 😂

He was signed to play in the team. He was picked to play. He didn't improve us so much so that we bought Orsic. The excuses being made for the kid are bewildering. 

[pimpin4rizeal]

10 minutes ago, egg said:

He was signed to play in the team. He was picked to play. He didn't improve us so much so that we bought Orsic. The excuses being made for the kid are bewildering. 

He was mainly coming off the bench under Ralph and selles froze him out..not sure why you’re expecting him to dominate matches as a sub? 

He’s a promising looking kid who didn’t feature that much because the managers prefer the proven shitness of elyounoussi . Says more about Ralph and selles then it does him 

Edited 7 July, 2023 by pimpin4rizeal

[hypochondriac]

40 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Southampton sign City's Edozie - BBC Sport

Ralph Hasenhuttl said: "Samuel is another promising young player who brings good attacking qualities to us, and he is someone who fits very well with our philosophy.

"He is a quick player who has impressive technical ability, so he will be able to help our squad immediately, but we also see a lot of potential in him for the future"

Did he help our squad immediately? 

Yes. Because he was a squad player. 

[aintforever]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

Southampton sign City's Edozie - BBC Sport

Ralph Hasenhuttl said: "Samuel is another promising young player who brings good attacking qualities to us, and he is someone who fits very well with our philosophy.

"He is a quick player who has impressive technical ability, so he will be able to help our squad immediately, but we also see a lot of potential in him for the future"

Did he help our squad immediately? 

Note he said squad not team. Squad.

[Guest]

He was brought in probably as a squad player, in the hope that he could probably make an impact from the bench.

To summarise, he didn’t.

Doesn’t mean he’s a crap player, but he was brought in to the league way too early.

[S-Clarke]

Just now, FarehamSaintJames said:

He was brought in probably as a squad player, in the hope that he could probably make an impact from the bench.

To summarise, he didn’t.

Doesn’t mean he’s a crap player, but he was brought in to the league way too early.

I personally thought he looked quite threatening at the start of the season, but his appearances became sporadic, we started to struggle and he never gained any real consistency. The miss against Lincoln in the Cup set him way back confidence wise I felt, he went well into his shell after that.

I'd hope to see a lot more from him in a winning side who play on the front foot, and aren't so worried about what happens off the ball.

[Osvaldorama]

1 hour ago, egg said:

He was signed to play in the team. He was picked to play. He didn't improve us so much so that we bought Orsic. The excuses being made for the kid are bewildering. 

You summed it up in your own post. 
 

“Kid”.  Stop being so harsh on the lad

Edited 7 July, 2023 by Osvaldorama

[Turkish]

24 minutes ago, aintforever said:

Note he said squad not team. Squad.

Did he help the squad immediately? Yes or no will do

[Turkish]

1 hour ago, hypochondriac said:

Yes. Because he was a squad player. 

Did he help the squad immediately? What did he do last season that helped the squad?

[Turkish]

8 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

You summed it up in your own post. 
 

“Kid”.  Stop being so harsh on the lad

The criticism at least from me anyway is not aimed at the player but the people that expected a 19 year old kid who I think had barely played a first team game to come in and be a first team player immediately. 

[hypochondriac]

29 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Did he help the squad immediately? What did he do last season that helped the squad?

He showed he had a bit about him in early games. He was then dropped entirely in place of solid and shot players through no fualt of his own. He had very little impact in truth. He was a young squad player brought in to gain a season of experience, hopefully improve over time and then be sold on for a profit. 

[Turkish]

1 minute ago, hypochondriac said:

He showed he had a bit about him in early games. He was then dropped entirely in place of solid and shot players through no fualt of his own. He had very little impact in truth. He was a young squad player brought in to gain a season of experience, hopefully improve over time and then be sold on for a profit. 

So there’s your answer then “very little impact” cheers 

[hypochondriac]

8 minutes ago, Turkish said:

So there’s your answer then “very little impact” cheers 

Over the entirety of the season yes because he didn't play but he had a positive impact at the start of the season when he was in the team. It's hardly his fault if the managerial geniuses that are Selles and Jones prefer to play Elyounoussi. 

[Chez]

2 hours ago, egg said:

So you're saying that the club signed a first team player, but without an expectation that he'd perform to the standard required of the first team in the PL. That's non sensical. The expectation was plainly that he'd produce, otherwise he wouldn't have been picked to play. 

I'm saying they signed a 19 year old talent that they hope will be a great investment. That doesn't mean the management expected him to excel in the Prem league immediately. He was on the bench until December. I think that shows exactly what the management thought of him: a young player that would be brought on gradually. In thw end, he performed pretty much at the same standard as the rest of the first team. Not great. 

 

 

[Turkish]

17 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Over the entirety of the season yes because he didn't play but he had a positive impact at the start of the season when he was in the team. It's hardly his fault if the managerial geniuses that are Selles and Jones prefer to play Elyounoussi. 

Did he? I remember him running around a lot but don’t remember him contributing anything of note. By our managers own statement he was expected to help the first team squad immediately, I’ve yet to see anyone state how he did. He might become a great player but last year he didn’t do what was expected 

Edited 7 July, 2023 by Turkish