Sam Edozie

[egg]

21 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Over the entirety of the season yes because he didn't play but he had a positive impact at the start of the season when he was in the team. It's hardly his fault if the managerial geniuses that are Selles and Jones prefer to play Elyounoussi. 

What impact? He never got his head up so missed other players runs, didn't assist, didn't score, was lightweight. How exactly did he assist? Dropping him was one of the few things Selles got right. 

[Wade Garrett]

3 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

Yes. Because he was a squad player. 

Stop signing fucking squad players then!  Buy starters.

[Bad Wolf]

58 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

Stop signing fucking squad players then!  Buy starters.

You suggest that a football club should operate with 11 players and no more?

[Wade Garrett]

6 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said:

You suggest that a football club should operate with 11 players and no more?

Not biting on that one 😂

[hypochondriac]

1 hour ago, Wade Garrett said:

Stop signing fucking squad players then!  Buy starters.

Why are you replying to me like I'm endorsing us buying squad players and no one else? I don't agree with the philosophy and the club have said it was a mistake. 

[hypochondriac]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

Did he? I remember him running around a lot but don’t remember him contributing anything of note. By our managers own statement he was expected to help the first team squad immediately, I’ve yet to see anyone state how he did. He might become a great player but last year he didn’t do what was expected 

I think that the alternative to him in the squad at the time would have done worse than he did with the little opportunity he had therefore he improved the squad 

[Saint86]

5 hours ago, Turkish said:

Southampton sign City's Edozie - BBC Sport

Ralph Hasenhuttl said: "Samuel is another promising young player who brings good attacking qualities to us, and he is someone who fits very well with our philosophy.

"He is a quick player who has impressive technical ability, so he will be able to help our squad immediately, but we also see a lot of potential in him for the future"

4 hours ago, egg said:

He was signed to play in the team. He was picked to play. He didn't improve us so much so that we bought Orsic. The excuses being made for the kid are bewildering. 

Pretty much have it there clear as day - he was a £7M signing to improve the squad (which he did), and to have potential for the future (which he does)…  I do not know why you've decided to stand on the particular hill of "Edozie is a failure" 🤷‍♂️ - its not like we're short of bad signings last year!

[Turkish]

11 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I think that the alternative to him in the squad at the time would have done worse than he did with the little opportunity he had therefore he improved the squad 

Edozie came in as a replacement for Redmond. Are you seriously saying with 17 appearances no goals or assists he was more affective than redmond and improved the squad? 

[egg]

33 minutes ago, Saint86 said:

Pretty much have it there clear as day - he was a £7M signing to improve the squad (which he did), and to have potential for the future (which he does)…  I do not know why you've decided to stand on the particular hill of "Edozie is a failure" 🤷‍♂️ - its not like we're short of bad signings last year!

I don't care what potential you think he has. If a player played last season, he had to be good enough to produce last season. That he might come good in 2025 ain't a lot of use is it. 

Edozie wasn't the discussion initially. It was about the policy of signing kids from city for millions who aren't ready for the first team. I still think that was a mental strategy, and that players like Edozie, Bazunu and Larios were a mile away from ready. The money spent could and should have been put to better use imo. 

Then it somehow became Edozie dominated. Seemingly a lot of people are impressed by a kid running around a lot but doing fuck all of actual use. Then saying it doesn't matter that he did shit, cos he might be good one day.

[Dusic]

Edozie, like Larios, was clearly not signed to go straight into our starting XI and make an immediate impact. 

Anyone who thinks otherwise either hugely misinterpreted that or is pretending otherwise to fit whatever point they are making.

I don't think he was in the squad to start with and then took a while to even come off the bench.

When he did it was imediately clear that he is a very talented dribbler with tight control, a good first touch and an ability to beat players 1 vs 1.

Pretty much all his apps, in a poor team lacking attacking cohesion showed these attributes.

IMO he could be very good next season if he can add end product in the way that Tella, who had lookwd woefully short of that in the PL, managed to do at Burnley.

I think being in a team that has more of the ball will suit him and I am still glad we signed him as there is clearly big talent there. Learning on the job in a poor PL team is a tough gig and anyone who has already written him off as a failure is being pretty short sighted.

If you think every signing is brought in to make an immediate impact then you must have totally missed our operating model for a number of years.

Edited 7 July, 2023 by Dusic

[SambaMaverick]

33 minutes ago, Dusic said:

Edozie, like Larios, was clearly not signed to go straight into our starting XI and make an immediate impact. 

Anyone who thinks otherwise either hugely misinterpreted that or is pretending otherwise to fit whatever point they are making.

I don't think he was in the squad to start with and then took a while to even come off the bench.

When he did it was imediately clear that he is a very talented dribbler with tight control, a good first touch and an ability to beat players 1 vs 1.

Pretty much all his apps, in a poor team lacking attacking cohesion showed these attributes.

IMO he could be very good next season if he can add end product in the way that Tella, who had lookwd woefully short of that in the PL, managed to do at Burnley.

I think being in a team that has more of the ball will suit him and I am still glad we signed him as there is clearly big talent there. Learning on the job in a poor PL team is a tough gig and anyone who has already written him off as a failure is being pretty short sighted.

If you think every signing is brought in to make an immediate impact then you must have totally missed our operating model for a number of years.

He appeared in 15 of the first 17 Premier League matches after signing - but close one!

[kevdoh]

1 hour ago, SambaMaverick said:

He appeared in 15 of the first 17 Premier League matches after signing - but close one!

I maybe wrong but the first time I remember seeing him play for first team was wolves away as a sub which was the 6th game. Like I say my memory may have failed me but I remember him coming off bench and looking lively

[SambaMaverick]

5 hours ago, kevdoh said:

I maybe wrong but the first time I remember seeing him play for first team was wolves away as a sub which was the 6th game. Like I say my memory may have failed me but I remember him coming off bench and looking lively

Yeah he signed on deadline day, Wolves away was the first match after that.

[Sarisbury Saint]

10 hours ago, Turkish said:

Did he? I remember him running around a lot but don’t remember him contributing anything of note. By our managers own statement he was expected to help the first team squad immediately, I’ve yet to see anyone state how he did. He might become a great player but last year he didn’t do what was expected 

You’re quoting a manager that spoke a load of bollocks and played a load of bollocks.  
I certainly hoped he would be better than he was, but expecting a raw teenager to make in impact with a team playing so poorly that was low on confidence and on a horrendous run is ridiculous.

 

[Turkish]

18 minutes ago, Sarisbury Saint said:

You’re quoting a manager that spoke a load of bollocks and played a load of bollocks.  
I certainly hoped he would be better than he was, but expecting a raw teenager to make in impact with a team playing so poorly that was low on confidence and on a horrendous run is ridiculous.

 

I was asked for evidence Edozie was going to be part of the first team, if a direct quote from that teams manager on the day he signed isn’t enough then what do you expect? 
 

and I completely agree with your second point and made myself earlier on the thread but that doesn’t change the fact he and few others didn’t do what was expected of them whether we agree with those expectations or not.

[Dusic]

7 hours ago, SambaMaverick said:

He appeared in 15 of the first 17 Premier League matches after signing - but close one!

Yeah, cameos of the bench starting his first PL game on Boxing Day.

Like I said, I don't think anyone expected him to come in and be a regular starter.

Lets hope he has a good season, I expect him to and anyone who has already written him off is taking a risk because he is obviously talented and still so young! 

Not much more to say on it than that really.

[Convict Colony]

Not read this thread but Edozie in some games was one of of our better players and in others the among the worst - but he was 19yrs old playing in his first senior football and cost feck all so i dunno what people expect.

I expect him to look more polished v championship defenders after a season of going against the best and we start see more end product.

[egg]

6 minutes ago, Convict Colony said:

Not read this thread but Edozie in some games was one of of our better players and in others the among the worst - but he was 19yrs old playing in his first senior football and cost feck all so i dunno what people expect.

I expect him to look more polished v championship defenders after a season of going against the best and we start see more end product.

I get that, but the split thread and responses has missed the point of the initial discussion...was a transfer policy of signing Man City kids (rather than players ready to hit the ground running) a wise one? My point on Edozie, simply, is that he was signed for and used by the first team last season, but wasn't at the required standard last season. 

[Baird of the land]

Not convinced by edozie yet

he had a trick(to beat a man) which was interesting but absolutely zero in delivery or shooting.

hopefully he’ll develop into more this season.

[John B]

19 hours ago, egg said:

No. Edozie was crap last year. He was signed to deliver. He didn't. We could go around the houses all day mate, I'll still be of the opinion that he was shit last season. 

Give the bloke a chance 19 years old in and out of a team performing badly it is unsurprising he did not perform well.

 

I doubt he was bought to perform consistently well in the PL in his first season but like Tella hopefully he will be better as he gets older

[Chez]

54 minutes ago, egg said:

I get that, but the split thread and responses has missed the point of the initial discussion...was a transfer policy of signing Man City kids (rather than players ready to hit the ground running) a wise one? My point on Edozie, simply, is that he was signed for and used by the first team last season, but wasn't at the required standard last season. 

The whole discussion (and it is a very interesting one) is about the expectation of these young guys. What do we expect a 19 year old that has not played senior football at Chelsea or Man City to do in our first team on day 1? 

As was explained at the fans forum, we have basically given up trying to sign senior players because all the best ones go to  richer teams, so how do you compete? Instead, the idea is to try to get some of these 'best players' by getting them before they are `famous' (a policy that might be flawed from the outset if the richer teams have all the best young players too - which they do). Buying the top young talent (are we even buying that?) comes at a price. Firstly they ain't cheap, as we have found out, secondly, they will probably not be ready yet as they haven't played mens football, or at the very least not reached their potential and last but not least, some may never reach the level required.

I am not sure whether the club has said whether these young guys are expected to go straight into the first team, be better than what we already have immediately and make an immediate impact. So far, some have, some haven't.

I wonder if the club regard the policy to be a success so far?

 

[Wade Garrett]

13 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

Why are you replying to me like I'm endorsing us buying squad players and no one else? I don't agree with the philosophy and the club have said it was a mistake. 

Don’t take it personally, it wasn’t meant that way.

[StrangelyBrown]

3 hours ago, Chez said:

The whole discussion (and it is a very interesting one) is about the expectation of these young guys. What do we expect a 19 year old that has not played senior football at Chelsea or Man City to do in our first team on day 1? 

As was explained at the fans forum, we have basically given up trying to sign senior players because all the best ones go to  richer teams, so how do you compete? Instead, the idea is to try to get some of these 'best players' by getting them before they are `famous' (a policy that might be flawed from the outset if the richer teams have all the best young players too - which they do). Buying the top young talent (are we even buying that?) comes at a price. Firstly they ain't cheap, as we have found out, secondly, they will probably not be ready yet as they haven't played mens football, or at the very least not reached their potential and last but not least, some may never reach the level required.

I am not sure whether the club has said whether these young guys are expected to go straight into the first team, be better than what we already have immediately and make an immediate impact. So far, some have, some haven't.

I wonder if the club regard the policy to be a success so far?

 

I think the problem is that the investment in youth needs to be a multi year strategy with a small number of players being added to the squad each year. The problem last year was that we took a short term high risk approach filling the squad out with a lot of youngsters which was highly unlikely to work.

[Daft Kerplunk]

Some better coaching to develop his end product is needed. He’s still young and has time.

[Chez]

5 hours ago, StrangelyBrown said:

I think the problem is that the investment in youth needs to be a multi year strategy with a small number of players being added to the squad each year. The problem last year was that we took a short term high risk approach filling the squad out with a lot of youngsters which was highly unlikely to work.

OK, but we did sign some senior players. Sadly they were Aribo, AMN, Lis and Cabellero (then Orsic and Onuachu). They contributed very little and the established senior players (we had plenty of those - it's not as though the first team was jam packed full of nippers) weren't great either.

[Ribtickler]

Interesting player, he is a pro at Trivial Pursuit - don’t let him get any Literature…or you might aswell call it a day!
hope he gets more of chance in the lower leagues where his pace will be a nightmare for championships sloggers.

thats all I will say on the matter  

[Osvaldorama]

This thread is genuinely unbelievable. 
 

Some melts on here are acting like a football club has never brought in a young player for the future before. 
 

He was clearly bought with the future in mind, but due to the rest of the squad being utter shite was asked to make an instant impact. Unsurprisingly it didn’t work very well.  Yes he is raw, but he does have genuine pace and a great first touch. 

He could easily become a top player. Or he could fizzle to nothing. Depends how hard he works. But Jesus Christ I hope the young lad never goes on internet to see what the fans are saying. 

[pimpin4rizeal]

14 hours ago, Chez said:

The whole discussion (and it is a very interesting one) is about the expectation of these young guys. What do we expect a 19 year old that has not played senior football at Chelsea or Man City to do in our first team on day 1? 

As was explained at the fans forum, we have basically given up trying to sign senior players because all the best ones go to  richer teams, so how do you compete? Instead, the idea is to try to get some of these 'best players' by getting them before they are `famous' (a policy that might be flawed from the outset if the richer teams have all the best young players too - which they do). Buying the top young talent (are we even buying that?) comes at a price. Firstly they ain't cheap, as we have found out, secondly, they will probably not be ready yet as they haven't played mens football, or at the very least not reached their potential and last but not least, some may never reach the level required.

I am not sure whether the club has said whether these young guys are expected to go straight into the first team, be better than what we already have immediately and make an immediate impact. So far, some have, some haven't.

I wonder if the club regard the policy to be a success so far?

 

The fanbase tend to judge players being shit on next to nothing these days .. Orsic and onuachu written off as dogshit even though both barely featured., edozie only really got starts under jones .. Mara not many either ..

I find it hard to criticise any of them as their chances have just been sooo limited… im pretty sure if edozie had played as many minutes as elyounouusi though he would have been more of a threat ..also very possible if mara had adams minutes he could have scored more goals 

not being selected doesn’t make a player a shit player… it’s not like we really saw any of the above including edozie messing things up or being totally crap ., the managers just for whatever reason just decided to stick with proven shit like moi or preferred adams impact on games to trying strikers that could potentially be more clinical 

Edited 8 July, 2023 by pimpin4rizeal

[egg]

10 hours ago, Osvaldorama said:

Jesus Christ I hope the young lad never goes on internet to see what the fans are saying. 

He'd see a few people saying that he wasn't ready last season and didn't deliver, but nobody writing him off. I'm pretty sure he'd agree with that, despite some on here not being able to. 

[aintforever]

18 minutes ago, egg said:

He'd see a few people saying that he wasn't ready last season and didn't deliver, but nobody writing him off. I'm pretty sure he'd agree with that, despite some on here not being able to. 

What do you expect 19 year olds to deliver in The Premier League?

[Osvaldorama]

21 minutes ago, Turkish said:

sports republic seemed to expect it
 

Out of your depth on football topics as well I see. Is there any subject you know something about?

They didn’t expect it at all. They signed Aribo and orsic for experience in his position.

Unfortunately like with all their other decisions so far they fucked it up catastrophically. You can’t blame a 19 year old for that. 
 

They did expect it with Bazunu though. Absolutely shocking management from the club to throw them both in. 

[AlexLaw76]

7 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

They didn’t expect it at all. They signed Aribo and orsic for experience in his position.

Unfortunately like with all their other decisions so far they fucked it up catastrophically. You can’t blame a 19 year old for that. 
 

They did expect it with Bazunu though. Absolutely shocking management from the club to throw them both in. 

One does not really play in his position, and the other signed in january

[Alain Perrin]

I haven't posted in an age but any player (and especially a green 19 year old) will struggle in a team which has no confidence.   

Someone like Edozie could make an impact in a confident team or if they have a wow factor (think Bale's free kicks or Theo's speed).   Fundamentally Saints were crap last year and lacked confidence across the park.  Messi would have struggled!   Hopefully he can kick on.

See you in 4 years.

[Paul Chuckle]

11 hours ago, Osvaldorama said:

 

He could easily become a top player. Or he could fizzle to nothing. Depends how hard he works. But Jesus Christ I hope the young lad never goes on internet to see what the fans are saying. 

 

[Osvaldorama]

7 minutes ago, Paul Chuckle said:

 

There are many things that we can slate the club for last season. 
 

Taking a punt on a young star from city’s academy isn’t one of them. He did look good at times as well. I just don’t get why fans have to slate such a young player. 
 

I think it reflects very badly on a few of you. 

[egg]

58 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

They didn’t expect it at all. They signed Aribo and orsic for experience in his position.

Unfortunately like with all their other decisions so far they fucked it up catastrophically. You can’t blame a 19 year old for that. 
 

They did expect it with Bazunu though. Absolutely shocking management from the club to throw them both in. 

Orsic was signed in the window after Edozie. I doubt if he'd have signed of Edozie delivered. 

I'm not sure why you say that there was no expectation ok Edozie to deliver. He was signed for the first team and was regularly picked to play. Of course he was expected to deliver, that much is obvious. 

[StrangelyBrown]

14 hours ago, Chez said:

OK, but we did sign some senior players. Sadly they were Aribo, AMN, Lis and Cabellero (then Orsic and Onuachu). They contributed very little and the established senior players (we had plenty of those - it's not as though the first team was jam packed full of nippers) weren't great either.

Fair point. Although I would argue that we had too many nippers in the team for a lot of the year - we often had 4 or 5 inexperienced youngsters starting.

[Dusic]

21 minutes ago, egg said:

Orsic was signed in the window after Edozie. I doubt if he'd have signed of Edozie delivered. 

I'm not sure why you say that there was no expectation ok Edozie to deliver. He was signed for the first team and was regularly picked to play. Of course he was expected to deliver, that much is obvious. 

He didn't start a PL game until Boxing Day!

It was clear to seemingly everyone part from you that we signed Edozie as a promising player to be part of the first team squad, add an option and to develop him over the long term. He had barely played any senior minutes in his whole career FFS.

He wasn't signed to come in and be an immediate starting XI player hence not starting in league for so long.

I think signing Orsic was in theory to improve the goal threat of the team, as none of the established forward players like Moi, Stu, Adams, Arma, Djenepo, Walcott etc were doing it.

You can add Edozie to the list for sure as part of the group but clearly Orsic wasn't signed in January because Edozie hadn't scored in his 3 PL starts to that point! 

[SaintJackoInHurworth]

Personally, I think Edozie did alright - not spectacular, but alright.

At first we saw a player who offered a lot going forward and who showed skills at running past opposing players, but he then struggled to find someone to pass to, causing his hard work to end in frustration. However, I think that was not entirely his own fault - often it was mainly as a result of other players around him having lost the confidence to move and provide him with an outlet.

Sadly, after a while and despite giving him more opportunitiues at first, Nathan Jones did a great job at undermining his confidence and trying to force him to stop using his skills and instead try to emulate Elyounoussi and Adam Armstrong (though to be fair, in the first instance Jones did seem to appreciate Edozie's directness). However, once he began to be coached to dribble less and just run about headless chicken instead, even the brilliant dribbling ability that he had demonstrated at first disappeared. I don't think Selles had the ability to see how to utilise Edozie's talent and his decision to frequently not even select him on the bench just added to the pattern of undermining Edozie's confidence. Indeed, while I always prefered Selles to Jones, sometimes it just felt like he was picking or not picking players purely to be different than Jones!

With good coaching and encouragement, I am hopeful that Edozie can rediscover his dribbling ability, while players around him will hopefully also develop the confidence to create an outlet for him when he does get past opposing players. I am therefore looking forward to what he will give us this season, if he is given the chance.

[Dusic]

Good to see him play well yesterday, was a big threat all game and had a hand in the winning goal.

Yes his final ball/shot needs improvement but as that improves he will be a major weapon at this level. He had Paterson and Delgado on toast all game and got both booked as they couldn't really handle him 1v1, so created good set oiece opportunities also.

Encouraging signs and good to see that he kept trying to be positive almost every time he got the ball. We don't have many (any?) other dribblers in the team really so he is a nice point of difference especially as so many teams will defend deep.

[CanadaSaint]

He played well but I think he needs a target with some physical presence in the box - it would help him to focus his final delivery. AA is definitely not that kind of visible target. IMO Adams should have been on at least 20 minutes earlier.

[Smirking_Saint]

He’s a good player, an efficient technical dribbler that isn’t afraid to take on a full back and draws so many fouls.. if the set piece coach can nail his brief we’ll benefit from it

He switches off defensively too often (not so much yesterday) and his final ball can be a bit iffy but potentially he is a very good player

[notnowcato]

Excellent game from the young lad. Gave 2 experienced players a torrid time all match. 

[saintwbu]

He’s 20 years old and probably about 20 games into his professional career. I don’t remember us having a player that can beat people with such ease, we need to be patient with him whilst he finds the end product. I’ve always felt a season in the Championship will be great for a number of our players, and he’s one of the main ones I think of. A really great performance last night, the end product will come. 

[rooney]

12 minutes ago, saintwbu said:

He’s 20 years old and probably about 20 games into his professional career. I don’t remember us having a player that can beat people with such ease, we need to be patient with him whilst he finds the end product. I’ve always felt a season in the Championship will be great for a number of our players, and he’s one of the main ones I think of. A really great performance last night, the end product will come. 

Electric pace too.

[James]

He was brilliant last night. Had their full back on toast and I thought it was a big sign of confidence that most of our attacks came down his side despite having Tella on the other flank. If he could sharpen his end product he will be brilliant for us.

[Miltonaggro]

1 hour ago, Dusic said:

Good to see him play well yesterday, was a big threat all game and had a hand in the winning goal.

Yes his final ball/shot needs improvement but as that improves he will be a major weapon at this level. He had Paterson and Delgado on toast all game and got both booked as they couldn't really handle him 1v1, so created good set oiece opportunities also.

Encouraging signs and good to see that he kept trying to be positive almost every time he got the ball. We don't have many (any?) other dribblers in the team really so he is a nice point of difference especially as so many teams will defend deep.

Good summary. You could tell he was enjoying himself against the limitations of Sheffield Wednesday, a thoroughbred against hacks. Thing missing currently is decision making, but that takes time with young players. You could see that Martin was frustrated with Edozie several times in this regard, but it’s inexperience rather than lack of ability, and Martin will know that. Give the lad games, coach him, and for God’s sake buy that missing link of a target man (literally a target man in SE’s case) and he will likely emerge as a key player this season. 

[waylander]

Looked very good and will trouble a lot of defenders. Needs better options to pass to in the box, our forwards and AMs need to be there to give him better passing options

Edited 5 August, 2023 by waylander
typo

[Guest]

Looked at his level last night, clearly has something about him.

Needs to add goals and assists to his game rather than just doing someone in a one on one down the wing.

[egg]

He's in the above average category for me, and definitely someone we can improve upon. He just doesn't get his head up enough, and when he does, he seems unable to see what's going on and makes poor decisions on terms of using the ball. It's easy to see why City let him go. Squad player at best for me.