Gavin Bazunu

[Huffton]

1 hour ago, rooney said:

Which begs the question, what do our Goalkeeping Coaches do?

Facepalms?

[Whitey Grandad]

1 hour ago, rooney said:

Which begs the question, what do our Goalkeeping Coaches do?

They coach Russball. It’s more important to them to have a goalkeeper who can be an integral part of a possession obsession than one who can do the fundamentals of goalkeeping. They see a goalkeeper as a quarterback and not as the last line of defence.

[Lord Duckhunter]

13 hours ago, sfc4prem said:

My mind automatically goes back to Kelvin's performance at Elland Road.

If Baz was in nets that day, it would have ended up about 14-1. 
 

Baz once produced a similarly remarkable performance (for him). I can’t remember who it was against, but he once saved 2 shots in one half.

[Lord Duckhunter]

1 hour ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

The bit thst frustrates me is the inconsistency

That’s not correct.
 

If it’s consistency you want, Baz is your man. 

[FarehamSaintJames]

1 hour ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

That’s not correct.
 

If it’s consistency you want, Baz is your man. 

Apologies, consistently poor.

[S-Clarke]

Someone quoted the black and white table to Martin as above (i.e. the worst XG keeper in the league). Martin's response as I expected to be honest.

"I don't really understand that stat, but speak to Dean (Thornton) or the other goalies - there have been numerous games where he's been outstanding this season.

Edited 6 April, 2024 by S-Clarke

[sfc4prem]

8 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

Someone quoted the black and white table to Martin as above (i.e. the worst XG keeper in the league). Martin's response as I expected to be honest.

"I don't really understand that stat, but speak to Dean (Thornton) or the other goalies - there have been numerous games where he's been outstanding this season.

Worrying that our manager doesn't understand that simple statistic.

[Weston Super Saint]

16 minutes ago, sfc4prem said:

Worrying that our manager doesn't understand that simple statistic.

More worrying that he believes it when people have told him Baz has been 'outstanding'.

 

[obelisk]

36 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

Someone quoted the black and white table to Martin as above (i.e. the worst XG keeper in the league). Martin's response as I expected to be honest.

"I don't really understand that stat, but speak to Dean (Thornton) or the other goalies - there have been numerous games where he's been outstanding this season.

Maybe he misheard. I think it was possibly said that Baz was "caught out standing in the wrong place in numerous games".

[RedArmy]

4 hours ago, rooney said:

Which begs the question, what do our Goalkeeping Coaches do?

Score a lot of goals probably. 

[TheAlehouseBrawlers]

One for the conspiracy theorists, somebody on the UI (think he also posts on here - Sven-Goran Eriksson look-a-likey) has suggested that Rotherham’s keeper Johansson stayed at a hotel in Blackburn last night. He put in two outstanding performances against us but not forgetting he was part of a relegated side that conceded a lot of goals albeit League One standard defence. Straight swap for Baz who did well at that level?*

https://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/southampton/forum/308005/rotherham’s-keeper-johansson/#2

*tongue-in-cheek

[S-Clarke]

10 minutes ago, TheAlehouseBrawlers said:

One for the conspiracy theorists, somebody on the UI (think he also posts on here - Sven-Goran Eriksson look-a-likey) has suggested that Rotherham’s keeper Johansson stayed at a hotel in Blackburn last night. He put in two outstanding performances against us but not forgetting he was part of a relegated side that conceded a lot of goals albeit League One standard defence. Straight swap for Baz who did well at that level?*

https://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/southampton/forum/308005/rotherham’s-keeper-johansson/#2

*tongue-in-cheek

I guess your whole post is tounge in cheek?  

The poster was the one who stayed at the hotel, not Rotherham's keeper.

[TheAlehouseBrawlers]

14 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

I guess your whole post is tounge in cheek?  

The poster was the one who stayed at the hotel, not Rotherham's keeper.

Oh yeah, what a plonker - saw the title and then read his first line.

Note to self: pay more attention.

[The Curse of St Mary's]

Once again beaten low down to his left side. Should have saved the second when you see it from behind the goal view. He has a definite weakness on that side. 

[Baird of the land]

6 minutes ago, The Curse of St Mary's said:

Once again beaten low down to his left side. Should have saved the second when you see it from behind the goal view. He has a definite weakness on that side. 

Interesting. My first reaction was could he have done better but haven’t seen the goal angle

[Saint Matty 76]

Felt it at the time too, hardly be a surprise

[stknowle]

It’s virtually like having an outfield player in goal with him in there. His distribution is generally very good, his ability to make saves is beyond 1 star. I actually cannot believe he’s employed as a goalkeeper given how poor he is at the second bit.

Edited 13 April, 2024 by stknowle

[Saint_clark]

We'd be top of the league with any other starting championship keeper.

[stknowle]

1 minute ago, Saint_clark said:

We'd be top of the league with any other starting championship keeper.

Agree. He’s a massive Achilles heel unfortunately.

[SaintsBarry74]

Just now, Saint_clark said:

We'd be top of the league with any other starting championship keeper.

That's what I've been saying the whole time, he is by no means a goalkeeper, not when taking into consideration the level we're playing. We could have an average shot stopper in goal and fans would be raving about him like he's a new Gianluigi Buffon.

[sfc4prem]

6 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

We'd be top of the league with any other starting championship keeper.

Agreed.

[Wade Garrett]

Went down like a sack of shit for their second.

[The Kraken]

10 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

Went down like a sack of shit for their second.

Like a felled tree. He really cannot save anything low to his left (pretty shite centrally and to his right too, tbf). Such a glaring weakness in our squad that our reserve keepers can’t get a single league game ahead of, well, that.

[Badger]

11 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

Went down like a sack of shit for their second.

Relish the prospect of him facing five or more penalties in the play offs.

( Although he did save one from Ronaldo once upon a time. Thought I’d add that before an MLG type Statto threw it in there). 
 

I recall Gunn’s bellyflops against Derby in the FA Cup Replay. Another great City prospect of course. 

[The Kraken]

I remember someone trying to defend Baz on here a while ago, it might have been TWar and/or Gio, can’t recall. The statement was “his only real weakness is he’s not a good shot stopper”. I’ve always kind of thought it sums up everything about him, entirely style over substance. Looks great on the ball but, when it comes down to it, he’s got crisp packet wrists and barely makes any saves where you come away thinking “thank god for Baz, he bailed us out there”.

[stknowle]

Forster used to have the same inability to get down to shots on his left, or was it his right I can’t remember. I can however remember that he made good saves sometimes and had the odd utter worldy game in him (usually against Arsenal).

I can think of TWO saves Baz has made this season  that made me think ‘Nice one Baz, good save’. The West Brom one and I think the other one was Preston where he kicked it off the line and everyone chest bumped him.  It’s just so fucking poor. 

[Block41 Saint]

A goalkeeper who is a shite stop stopper will never be a decent goalkeeper. Cut our losses in the summer because he rarely keeps it out the net. 

[trousers]

54 minutes ago, stknowle said:

Forster used to have the same inability to get down to shots on his left, or was it his right I can’t remember

Possibly both! Yep, both Frazer and Gavin always seem to dive over the ball in semi-slow motion. Somewhat bizarre that we seemingly place "ability to play out with ball at feet" as a higher priority in our goalkeeping ability requirements than "shot stopping ability"... Wouldn't it be better to have both attributes as an equally high priority...?

Edited 13 April, 2024 by trousers

[The Kraken]

12 minutes ago, trousers said:

Possibly both! Yep, both Frazer and Gavin always seem to dive over the ball in semi-slow motion. Somewhat bizarre that we seemingly place "ability to play out with ball at feet" as a higher priority in our goalkeeping ability requirements than "shot stopping ability"... Wouldn't it be better to have both attributes as an equally high priority...?

I’ve said it before when hearing this but I’ll say it again. Call me old fashioned if you will, but shot stopping is the absolute number one priority of a keeper, and by miles. Claiming crosses is probably next up in importance. Being good with the feet is very useful in todays game but absolutely not the priority compared to the fundamentals of glovesmanship.

Baz is excellent on the ball but sadly he’s risibly poor with his hands. Sticking with him is our downfall, I can only begin to imagine how bad Joe Lumley is tgat he can’t get a single league minute under his belt with this clown between the sticks.

[Galway saint]

watched the second a few times and it’s not one of his worst ( from the angles i’ve seen) but yet another to file in the ‘ could have done better’ category. 

i can’t remember the last time he made a decent save - WBA away perhaps. seems the club and management are happy with a keeper who doesn’t make saves and lets in a lot of goals he should keep out.

i like blackmore but on solent today he said that baz was good with his feet and a good shotstopper but was not confident coming off his line. where on earth has he seen evidence of good shot stopping.

we are now nearly two years into this folly and hopefully we won’t make it a third but I’m far from convinced. we just need to cut our losses as a decent replacement would be an easy way to cut the number of goals we concede.

 

 

 

 

[Baird of the land]

18 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

I’ve said it before when hearing this but I’ll say it again. Call me old fashioned if you will, but shot stopping is the absolute number one priority of a keeper, and by miles. Claiming crosses is probably next up in importance. Being good with the feet is very useful in todays game but absolutely not the priority compared to the fundamentals of glovesmanship.

Baz is excellent on the ball but sadly he’s risibly poor with his hands. Sticking with him is our downfall, I can only begin to imagine how bad Joe Lumley is tgat he can’t get a single league minute under his belt with this clown between the sticks.

It says something about our goalkeeping recruitment, we've got mccarthy who has been put out to pasture, the cheap replacement backup is no good and the starter's upside is his distribution.

[Harry_SFC]

9 minutes ago, Galway saint said:

watched the second a few times and it’s not one of his worst ( from the angles i’ve seen) but yet another to file in the ‘ could have done better’ category. 

i can’t remember the last time he made a decent save - WBA away perhaps. seems the club and management are happy with a keeper who doesn’t make saves and lets in a lot of goals he should keep out.

i like blackmore but on solent today he said that baz was good with his feet and a good shotstopper but was not confident coming off his line. where on earth has he seen evidence of good shot stopping.

we are now nearly two years into this folly and hopefully we won’t make it a third but I’m far from convinced. we just need to cut our losses as a decent replacement would be an easy way to cut the number of goals we concede.

 

 

 

 

Personally don't think he's that bad at claiming crosses. His shot stopping is the glaring weakness. Surely Adam should be able to see that.

[S-Clarke]

Once again we're struck by a goal which leaves everyone with the question ''should he have done better?'' - it's one of those that if he saves it, it's a ''what a save!!'' moment - but he doesn't seem to have those moments in his game. You need your goalkeeper at whatever level to produce a few of those a season, and I'd expect them to.

[pimpin4rizeal]

Still baffles me that we don’t even try someone else ..it’s clear as day that he’s a liability .. McCarthy gets a lot of stick but one season he was nearly player of the year.  Just wish we would actually try to change it now .. going into the playoffs with baz in goal is asking for disaster 

[gammon cheeks]

His shots to save ratio must be abysmal 

[Gingeletiss]

11 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

Once again we're struck by a goal which leaves everyone with the question ''should he have done better?'' - it's one of those that if he saves it, it's a ''what a save!!'' moment - but he doesn't seem to have those moments in his game. You need your goalkeeper at whatever level to produce a few of those a season, and I'd expect them to.

Look at the Ipswich goalie yesterday, he pulled off a few ‘worldies’.

[Mboto Gorge]

He’s absolute pony. I’m not sure there’s another club who’d be as patient as our fanbase have been. We are at a huge disadvantage over literally every other team in that any shot placed into the corner , is a goal. How can this be sustainable for the club to actually move forward and consistently win games? I can only imagine how many goals this guy would concede if he was playing for a team who were struggling in this league and allowing more shots at goal than we do. Rotherham would probably have conceded 120 by now. 

Edited 14 April, 2024 by Mboto Gorge

[Chez]

8 hours ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

Still baffles me that we don’t even try someone else ..it’s clear as day that he’s a liability .. McCarthy gets a lot of stick but one season he was nearly player of the year.  Just wish we would actually try to change it now .. going into the playoffs with baz in goal is asking for disaster 

Nearly? In 17/18  McCarthy was player of the season.

We ain't changing it now. 

[LeBizzier69]

12 hours ago, Harry_SFC said:

Personally don't think he's that bad at claiming crosses. His shot stopping is the glaring weakness. Surely Adam should be able to see that.

That’s a good point……I don’t remember a time when I’ve thought (or SMS has applauded) a top save from him. 

[Chez]

12 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

Once again we're struck by a goal which leaves everyone with the question ''should he have done better?'' 

Not sure he got his positioning/angles quite right.  He's a tad too close to his near post. 

[Harry_SFC]

14 minutes ago, gammon cheeks said:

His shots to save ratio must be abysmal 

It is the worst in the league.

[Badger]

3 minutes ago, LeBizzier69 said:

That’s a good point……I don’t remember a time when I’ve thought (or SMS has applauded) a top save from him. 

WBA away ( but obviously not at St Mary’s) 

[saintant]

To be a decent professional goalkeeper surely you have to demonstrate an elite ability to regularly make incredible saves that defy logic. We see this time and time again with keepers even in the Championship. Unfortunately we rarely, if ever see, it from Baz. A shot towards the corner is inevitably a goal. This often makes it hard to win matches and we drop points that we shouldn't. We've had a mixed bag of keepers but every one of them was capable of pulling off worldie saves on a fairly regular basis even if some let in too many howlers. Surely the coaches at the club can see the glaring weakness in Baz when it comes to saving the ball. He seems a great lad and has some attributes but shot-stopping is not one of them. Strange for a goalkeeper making his living at a high level.

[trousers]

My thoughts on the goalkeeper position for the remaining 'cup' games... 

 

[Lord Duckhunter]

He’s fucking pony.

 

[Galway saint]

preston away was a decent save. apart from that and WBA can’t recall others but could be wrong.

he started out as an outfield player and that what he still looks like to me. 

he’s part of the ‘possession’ based football philosophy that we have invented at saints where being good at distribution is more important than keeping the ball out of the net 

 

[saintant]

1 hour ago, Galway saint said:

preston away was a decent save. apart from that and WBA can’t recall others but could be wrong.

he started out as an outfield player and that what he still looks like to me. 

he’s part of the ‘possession’ based football philosophy that we have invented at saints where being good at distribution is more important than keeping the ball out of the net 

 

The fact that we have to rack our brains to recall his decent saves speaks volumes. He should be pulling off great saves in most games.

[rallyboy]

The Leicester six-yard box is an absolute clown show, Leeds have had some howlers - we don't have a monopoly on keeper concerns.

I'd prefer to concentrate more on why we don't take chances, most points have been dropped at the other end.

[Wade Garrett]

He spilled another one straight at him yesterday.  It seems Martin is more concerned with what he’s like with the ball at his feet than goalkeeping.

He has very little shot-stopping ability.  No other championship club would want him.  
 

He is a liability.

 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

Some other goalkeepers who've started out as outfield players.

https://www.football.co.uk/news/goalkeepers-who-started-out-as-outfield-players/740162/

Despite all playing for top clubs, I think a number have all been slated at some point. Joe Hart was happy at City and being England #1, and that fell apart, for example.