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Saint_clark

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  On 09/10/2023 at 17:22, Saint_clark said:

One out of every 2.13 shots.

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  On 09/10/2023 at 20:45, Galway saint said:

that doesn’t seem good

how does it compare to others in the division ?

 

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To clarify I don't know if that's right i just said it for the lols. 

However his save percentage is roughly 45% which does mean so far this season almost every other shot on target has gone in.

As to the question of how it compares, it's the worst in the league.

 

Some people will tell you this stat doesn't matter because it doesn't take into account the quality of the shot and whilst that's true, using it to defend Bazunu implies that both this season and last we've faced mostly world class shots that are pretty much unstoppable.

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St. Ciervo

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I think our new style of football is partially to blame for this save percentage. Baz gets left out to dry with high percentage shots often. Swansea had a terrible GA, as well. I would love to see him make more of the saves; that's undeniable. But some of you cry as though he is our main problem, and I don't think that is fair.

Do you really think either of our other goalies would do better? If so, why are they not being played?

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Bad Wolf

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  On 08/10/2023 at 18:00, sambosa75 said:

He’s just shite.  Not his fault he keeps getting picked but all he’s demonstrated in his collective appearances for the club is that he’s simply not up to the job and likely never will be.

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Yes because goalkeepers are usually in their prime by 21...

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Turkish

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  On 07/10/2023 at 21:04, Lighthouse said:

Man United away last year but I guess he was only up against Fernandes, Rashford, Anthony and Sancho.

Utterly laughable that people are piling in on him after today. I guess we can add ‘other keeper has excellent game’ to the list of faults in Bazunu’s game.

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the game where we played an hour against 10 men, completely dominated them and everyone was angry we didn't beat them. Great example :lol:

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Miltonaggro

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  On 07/10/2023 at 20:52, Lord Duckhunter said:

I wasn’t there today, but by all accounts we had a lot of chances. A question for those that did see it. If you swapped keepers would the score still have been 1-1. 
 

As Baz’s fan boys don’t seem to like the “shots on target saved” stats, perhaps we could ask that particular question every week instead. 

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Think that this is a key point. Russ and Jase think Baz is the best in the league but not sure many managers would swap their current number one for ours. 
 

Given that we had 22 shots on Saturday and GB let’s in around one goal for every two shots a conservative estimate against Rotherham with Baz in goal would have been 10-0. Just the boost that was needed into the international break! 😀

Ex Lion Tamer

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  On 09/10/2023 at 17:22, Saint_clark said:

One out of every 2.13 shots.

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  On 09/10/2023 at 06:07, Osvaldorama said:

He’s shit. Properly shit. 
 

Anyone defending him is just being nice because he’s so young. But he is hurting us so badly. Every shot on our goal goes in. It’s shocking.
 

We can have 80-90% possession, all the chances in the world and then concede the first half chance and lose because we have a lettuce goal keeper. 

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And yet you think we have a team that should be getting automatic promotion. How do we mount a promotion push with a poor goalkeeper, wingers who don't have a final ball, a centre back prone to bad errors (Bednarek), and so on and so on. How is it Russell Martin's fault that he's been given these players to work with?

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Osvaldorama

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  On 10/10/2023 at 09:32, Ex Lion Tamer said:

 

And yet you think we have a team that should be getting automatic promotion. How do we mount a promotion push with a poor goalkeeper, wingers who don't have a final ball, a centre back prone to bad errors (Bednarek), and so on and so on. How is it Russell Martin's fault that he's been given these players to work with?

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Because a sensible manager would realise how shit our keeper is and stop putting him under pressure by playing like Man City. 
 

Instead he is forcing a system based on his philosophy instead of the players in front of him 

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Ex Lion Tamer

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  On 10/10/2023 at 09:41, Osvaldorama said:


Because a sensible manager would realise how shit our keeper is and stop putting him under pressure by playing like Man City. 
 

Instead he is forcing a system based on his philosophy instead of the players in front of him 

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The passing game is the one thing that Bazunu is good at! And he hasn't had that many shots to save in recent games, he just lets in too many of the ones that do come to him

Weston Super Saint

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  On 09/10/2023 at 23:00, Saint_clark said:

 

Some people will tell you this stat doesn't matter because it doesn't take into account the quality of the shot and whilst that's true, using it to defend Bazunu implies that both this season and last we've faced mostly world class shots that are pretty much unstoppable.

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Especially from Rotherham and Grimsby, renowned world beaters those teams.

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notnowcato

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  On 10/10/2023 at 09:31, Miltonaggro said:

Think that this is a key point. Russ and Jase think Baz is the best in the league but not sure many managers would swap their current number one for ours. 
 

Given that we had 22 shots on Saturday and GB let’s in around one goal for every two shots a conservative estimate against Rotherham with Baz in goal would have been 10-0. Just the boost that was needed into the international break! 😀

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Friendly pedant with calculator at the ready.... 10 shots on target so 5-0 not 10.  You're welcome 😇

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Bad Wolf

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  On 10/10/2023 at 11:55, notnowcato said:

Or he's uber positive when asked about any of his players.  

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Well he's hardly going to say "No, so and so is cack and one of the conditions for me coming here was that we got rid of him." is he?

Lighthouse

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  On 10/10/2023 at 09:22, Turkish said:

the game where we played an hour against 10 men, completely dominated them and everyone was angry we didn't beat them. Great example :lol:

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Strange, I seem to be remembering it like a lot of people on this thread

but you remember it however you like.

Turkish

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  On 10/10/2023 at 12:17, Lighthouse said:

Strange, I seem to be remembering it like a lot of people on this thread

but you remember it however you like.

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Seems like it's you having trouble remembering it.

Where in that thread does it say anything remotely like Bazunu kept us in it like the Rotherham keeper did on saturday, which is what you claimed? A few comments saying he played well but it was hardly Rorkes Drift, they had 4 shots on target FFS.

 

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Lighthouse

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  On 10/10/2023 at 12:40, Turkish said:

Seems like it's you having trouble remembering it.

Where in that thread does it say anything remotely like Bazunu kept us in it like the Rotherham keeper did on saturday, which is what you claimed? A few comments saying he played well but it was hardly Rorkes Drift, they had 4 shots on target FFS.

 

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Well if you can’t score to save your life, I’d say a keeper making excellent saves is keeping you in the match. There were also numerous people saying he commanded his box well, came for crosses and kept a clean sheet. If he hadn’t saved those four shots on target, we’d have lost 4-0, it’s a shame Professor Hawking died and isn’t around to explain the maths to you.

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Turkish

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  On 10/10/2023 at 14:57, Lighthouse said:

Well if you can’t score to save your life, I’d say a keeper making excellent saves is keeping you in the match. There were also numerous people saying he commanded his box well, came for crosses and kept a clean sheet. If he hadn’t saved those four shots on target, we’d have lost 4-0, it’s a shame Professor Hawking died and isn’t around to explain the maths to you.

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:lol: Fucking hell. He made one good save i'll give you that. if you want to thin he's the new Buffon then you crack on, maybe we should all just be grateful he makes any saves at all, you seem to be. 🤣

 

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Weston Super Saint

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  On 10/10/2023 at 14:57, Lighthouse said:

Well if you can’t score to save your life, I’d say a keeper making excellent saves is keeping you in the match. There were also numerous people saying he commanded his box well, came for crosses and kept a clean sheet. If he hadn’t saved those four shots on target, we’d have lost 4-0, it’s a shame Professor Hawking died and isn’t around to explain the maths to you.

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Shame it went to rat shit after that game.

Turkish

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  On 10/10/2023 at 15:31, Saint Matty 76 said:

It really is slim pickings when the only thing in his defence is one top save he made against Bruno Fernandes in over a year.

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and we should be grateful we didnt lose 4-0 because he let in the 4 shots he faced :lol:

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sambosa75

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  On 10/10/2023 at 08:47, Bad Wolf said:

Yes because goalkeepers are usually in their prime by 21...

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No but they tend to show some promise and their game tends to have some obvious strengths or be showing evident signs of progress.  I can honestly say despite the number of first team appearances he's has for us he hasn't demonstrated a competence for any single facet of the game.  Even this ridiculous notion that he's great with the ball at his feet is bollocks.  And even if it was true, its the least important fundamental skill a keeper should have in their toolkit.

There has been no clear improvement in any aspect of his game.

As I said before, its not his fault.  He's just not up to it.  I'm actually starting to feel sorry for him.

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Bad Wolf

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  On 11/10/2023 at 09:55, sambosa75 said:

No but they tend to show some promise and their game tends to have some obvious strengths or be showing evident signs of progress.  I can honestly say despite the number of first team appearances he's has for us he hasn't demonstrated a competence for any single facet of the game.  Even this ridiculous notion that he's great with the ball at his feet is bollocks.  And even if it was true, its the least important fundamental skill a keeper should have in their toolkit.

There has been no clear improvement in any aspect of his game.

As I said before, its not his fault.  He's just not up to it.  I'm actually starting to feel sorry for him.

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Seriously? His distribution has been outstanding this season and realistically he's been responsible for one goal - Sunderland's third.

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pimpin4rizeal

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  On 10/10/2023 at 08:47, Bad Wolf said:

Yes because goalkeepers are usually in their prime by 21...

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what’s the point in us letting him make all his mistakes with us  would be better off loaning him out if he’s not ready .

all this talk of potential with him im not seeing it . Wouldn’t it be great to have a keeper like Niemi again who actually makes crazy stops you wouldn’t expect him to make ?

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Galway saint

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  On 11/10/2023 at 18:51, pimpin4rizeal said:

what’s the point in us letting him make all his mistakes with us  would be better off loaning him out if he’s not ready .

all this talk of potential with him im not seeing it . Wouldn’t it be great to have a keeper like Niemi again who actually makes crazy stops you wouldn’t expect him to make ?

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we’ve been over all this countless times but Bazanu doesn’t make that many absolute howlers. his goals conceded tend to be more in the camp of ‘could have done better’ or ‘should have saved that’ or ‘i’d have expected him to save that one’.

even if he did make absolute gaffs everyone would forgive him if he made some great saves as all fans can forgive their keeper the odd howler so long as he’s making great saves and winning points.

the rotherham keeper on saturday was a case in point as what a difference a keeper can make to the outcome of a match.

i don’t think Bazanu has ever done that but equally i don’t think he’s lost us any points this season - it’s just that he’s not altered the course of a game either and he’s never really been that sort of keeper and I don’t think he ever will. he’s a nothing sort of keeper.

however he’s obviously not going anywhere any time soon

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Roo1976

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  On 11/10/2023 at 19:14, Galway saint said:

we’ve been over all this countless times but Bazanu doesn’t make that many absolute howlers. his goals conceded tend to be more in the camp of ‘could have done better’ or ‘should have saved that’ or ‘i’d have expected him to save that one’.

even if he did make absolute gaffs everyone would forgive him if he made some great saves as all fans can forgive their keeper the odd howler so long as he’s making great saves and winning points.

the rotherham keeper on saturday was a case in point as what a difference a keeper can make to the outcome of a match.

i don’t think Bazanu has ever done that but equally i don’t think he’s lost us any points this season - it’s just that he’s not altered the course of a game either and he’s never really been that sort of keeper and I don’t think he ever will. he’s a nothing sort of keeper.

however he’s obviously not going anywhere any time soon

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i liked reading that, i still see a young up and coming Peter Shilton type keeper in him ,but we should have loaned him out and bought in an experienced keeper for this season and seen where he might have gotten us.

pimpin4rizeal

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  On 11/10/2023 at 19:14, Galway saint said:

we’ve been over all this countless times but Bazanu doesn’t make that many absolute howlers. his goals conceded tend to be more in the camp of ‘could have done better’ or ‘should have saved that’ or ‘i’d have expected him to save that one’.

even if he did make absolute gaffs everyone would forgive him if he made some great saves as all fans can forgive their keeper the odd howler so long as he’s making great saves and winning points.

the rotherham keeper on saturday was a case in point as what a difference a keeper can make to the outcome of a match.

i don’t think Bazanu has ever done that but equally i don’t think he’s lost us any points this season - it’s just that he’s not altered the course of a game either and he’s never really been that sort of keeper and I don’t think he ever will. he’s a nothing sort of keeper.

however he’s obviously not going anywhere any time soon

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Don’t really agree on this he’s like a hologram and rarely makes saves .. and also has a crappy habit that when does make stops he parries the ball out to opposing player 

 

Galway saint

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  On 11/10/2023 at 20:48, pimpin4rizeal said:

Don’t really agree on this he’s like a hologram and rarely makes saves .. and also has a crappy habit that when does make stops he parries the ball out to opposing player 

 

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i agree and that’s what i am saying - thought that was clear but perhaps not 

St. Ciervo

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  On 11/10/2023 at 19:14, Galway saint said:

even if he did make absolute gaffs everyone would forgive him if he made some great saves as all fans can forgive their keeper the odd howler so long as he’s making great saves and winning points.

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This is categorically false. I was a hockey goaltender in major juniors across the pond... I was guilty of exactly what you said here. I would make an outstanding save and then let a howler in later on. Because of that, you will never know or recognize my name. You must be consistent and make the obvious saves; flashy saves are a distant second. A brutal goal against deflates a team and steamrolls any momentum. 

Also, baz can get a clean sheet and get 0 love on here. No one, especially Clark, will give him a tip of the cap at this point. So dont tell me Clark and friends will be on here 30 seconds after a howler to say it was "okay." 

Baz will not be asked to stand on his head with our quality of team this year. He will, however, be tasked with some quick counters after turnovers in difficult spots. I would argue that any goalie in this system is going to be hung out to dry. 

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Miltonaggro

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  On 11/10/2023 at 19:14, Galway saint said:

we’ve been over all this countless times but Bazanu doesn’t make that many absolute howlers. his goals conceded tend to be more in the camp of ‘could have done better’ or ‘should have saved that’ or ‘i’d have expected him to save that one’.

even if he did make absolute gaffs everyone would forgive him if he made some great saves as all fans can forgive their keeper the odd howler so long as he’s making great saves and winning points.

the rotherham keeper on saturday was a case in point as what a difference a keeper can make to the outcome of a match.

i don’t think Bazanu has ever done that but equally i don’t think he’s lost us any points this season - it’s just that he’s not altered the course of a game either and he’s never really been that sort of keeper and I don’t think he ever will. he’s a nothing sort of keeper.

however he’s obviously not going anywhere any time soon

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I think that this is close to it in terms of expectation for many. We’ve had a few keepers who could look absolutely world class followed by brain fart, Ivan Katalinic had that and dropped by McMenemy but remained a fan favourite, Burridge too. I think our best keeper since Neimi was Artur Boruc, a complete eccentric and capable of serious keystone cops - remember Arsenal when is managed a fuck up and world class performance in the same game - the Artur show! In many ways Boruc was the polar opposite of Bazunu, picked up easily for relative peanuts, genuinely physically imposing, brave and commanding in the 18 yard box, aggressive in organisation and capable shot stopper. In the minus column mad as a box of frogs and low resale value, but who would you prefer in goal now? Considering the shithouse Vardy through on a one on one who would he prefer? 

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Saint_clark

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  On 11/10/2023 at 23:22, St. Ciervo said:

This is categorically false. I was a hockey goaltender in major juniors across the pond... I was guilty of exactly what you said here. I would make an outstanding save and then let a howler in later on. Because of that, you will never know or recognize my name. You must be consistent and make the obvious saves; flashy saves are a distant second. A brutal goal against deflates a team and steamrolls any momentum. 

Also, baz can get a clean sheet and get 0 love on here. No one, especially Clark, will give him a tip of the cap at this point. So dont tell me Clark and friends will be on here 30 seconds after a howler to say it was "okay." 

Baz will not be asked to stand on his head with our quality of team this year. He will, however, be tasked with some quick counters after turnovers in difficult spots. I would argue that any goalie in this system is going to be hung out to dry. 

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Don't tell me what I will and won't do. I have praised him in the past, he put together a few decent performances and I said on here that I hoped he'd turned the corner - he hadn't. The only clean sheet he's kept so far this season the opposition only had two shots on target and they were both saves he would be expected to make. Not a performance that's going to change my opinion. 

 

sambosa75

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  On 11/10/2023 at 17:50, Bad Wolf said:

Seriously? His distribution has been outstanding this season and realistically he's been responsible for one goal - Sunderland's third.

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Nothing about his game has been outstanding.  Has his distribution been adequate?  Yes.  But outstanding?  He's not exactly spraying 70 yard cross-field balls onto a sixpence is he?  

 

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Jimbo

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  On 11/10/2023 at 17:50, Bad Wolf said:

Seriously? His distribution has been outstanding this season and realistically he's been responsible for one goal - Sunderland's third.

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Depends on your view I guess.

First goal vs Sunderland for example - a classic leap over the ball when it goes right next to him.

And his positioning vs Rotherham...beyond words.

Am sure there were others, but there's so many goals going in these days they all blur into one.

St. Ciervo

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  On 12/10/2023 at 07:39, Saint_clark said:

The only clean sheet he's kept so far this season the opposition only had two shots on target and they were both saves he would be expected to make. Not a performance that's going to change my opinion. 

 

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I guess thats the main point in the rest of my post, Clark. Unless in a cup tie, he will not be asked to do what that goalie did to us. Baz will instead be tasked with ball movement and handling high-percentage, odd-man rushes. This is not an endearing system for a keeper. We can agree on a single wish that our younger keeper wasnt in net each game because it is going to crush his confidence in himself, and a goalie needs to be full of hot air. I am afraid for his development with our club because he is going to look like a sieve on many occasions and our fanbase will tear into him.  

There is no pressure on a goalie going into a game against us in this league. If they get lit up, it was expected. If they stand on their head, they look like a god. For Baz, his best hope is a game where he stopped the 2 shots he was "expected to make," otherwise he's trashed. Its a shitty place to be. 

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Saint_clark

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  On 12/10/2023 at 23:14, St. Ciervo said:

I guess thats the main point in the rest of my post, Clark. Unless in a cup tie, he will not be asked to do what that goalie did to us. Baz will instead be tasked with ball movement and handling high-percentage, odd-man rushes. This is not an endearing system for a keeper. We can agree on a single wish that our younger keeper wasnt in net each game because it is going to crush his confidence in himself, and a goalie needs to be full of hot air. I am afraid for his development with our club because he is going to look like a sieve on many occasions and our fanbase will tear into him.  

There is no pressure on a goalie going into a game against us in this league. If they get lit up, it was expected. If they stand on their head, they look like a god. For Baz, his best hope is a game where he stopped the 2 shots he was "expected to make," otherwise he's trashed. Its a shitty place to be. 

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None of what you said explains why he lets in so many shots that most other keepers are able to save. 

I also have no idea what "high percentage odd-man rushes" means. Do you mean coming off his line to collect through balls? A lot of keepers do that. All this nonsense about him sweeping up and being great at distributing from the back, neither of those attributes are so much better than other keepers that it's worth putting up with his terrible inability to get to bog standard shots over and over again. 

City put up with Edersen not being a fantastic shot stopping because 1. The defence is able to limit the opposition chances massively and 2. He is genuinely fantastic at every other aspect of a goalkeepers game. 

Bazunu is shit at shot stopping and average at everything else. 

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Whitey Grandad

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  On 13/10/2023 at 05:13, Saint_clark said:

None of what you said explains why he lets in so many shots that most other keepers are able to save. 

I also have no idea what "high percentage odd-man rushes" means. Do you mean coming off his line to collect through balls? A lot of keepers do that. All this nonsense about him sweeping up and being great at distributing from the back, neither of those attributes are so much better than other keepers that it's worth putting up with his terrible inability to get to bog standard shots over and over again. 

City put up with Edersen not being a fantastic shot stopping because 1. The defence is able to limit the opposition chances massively and 2. He is genuinely fantastic at every other aspect of a goalkeepers game. 

Bazunu is shit at shot stopping and average at everything else. 

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That’s simply not true. It’s all in your distorted prejudice.

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VectisSaint

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  On 12/10/2023 at 14:33, Jimbo said:

touche. 

21 in 11, 2nd worst in the championship.

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And the worst in the Championship, the Rotherham keeper, Johansson, who people on here have been touting as a good replacement.

You implied that there were a lot of goals going in recently, which is demonstrably untrue. Yes there were a lot in the first few games, but since Leicester, more than one (2) has been conceded once, 5 goals conceded in 5 games. Strangely this coincides with the defence being more settled and using proper CBs (Bednarek/THB). I'm not defending Bazunu particularly, he is not showing signs of being a top class keeper, but some of the hysteria on here and elsewhere is hugely misplaced, especially of late. Conceding a goal a game is not a disaster, and wouldn't be a problem if our forwards could score regularly, scoring just once against the worst keeper in the league (by goals conceded) was ridiculous.

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And the worst in the Championship, the Rotherham keeper, Johansson, who people on here have been touting as a good replacement.

You implied that there were a lot of goals going in recently, which is demonstrably untrue. Yes there were a lot in the first few games, but since Leicester, more than one (2) has been conceded once, 5 goals conceded in 5 games. Strangely this coincides with the defence being more settled and using proper CBs (Bednarek/THB). I'm not defending Bazunu particularly, he is not showing signs of being a top class keeper, but some of the hysteria on here and elsewhere is hugely misplaced, especially of late. Conceding a goal a game is not a disaster, and wouldn't be a problem if our forwards could score regularly, scoring just once against the worst keeper in the league (by goals conceded) was ridiculous.

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He aint the worst keeper in the championship. you know this....

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Saint_clark

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  On 13/10/2023 at 08:47, Whitey Grandad said:

That’s simply not true. It’s all in your distorted prejudice.

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It's proven by the fact that he saves the least amount of shots in the league. 

That means that other keepers are saving more than him. 

That means that shots he is letting in, other keepers are saving. 

Unless you're still going to try and tell us that he is the unluckiest keeper on earth and the majority of shots he faces are world class impossible-to-save ones? 

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Lord Duckhunter

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Unless you're still going to try and tell us that he is the unluckiest keeper on earth and the majority of shots he faces are world class impossible-to-save ones? 

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That’s exactly what it is. Apart from one against Sunderland, no keeper alive would have saved any other the others.

He hasn’t got foam wrists either, every shot he faces is a Peter Lorimer cannonball effort & the miracle is that he gets his hand to them.

His positioning is also first class, the issue isnt him,  it’s the fucking groundsman. He puts the goal in the wrong place. 

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Jimbo

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  On 13/10/2023 at 08:52, VectisSaint said:

And the worst in the Championship, the Rotherham keeper, Johansson, who people on here have been touting as a good replacement.

You implied that there were a lot of goals going in recently, which is demonstrably untrue. Yes there were a lot in the first few games, but since Leicester, more than one (2) has been conceded once, 5 goals conceded in 5 games. Strangely this coincides with the defence being more settled and using proper CBs (Bednarek/THB). I'm not defending Bazunu particularly, he is not showing signs of being a top class keeper, but some of the hysteria on here and elsewhere is hugely misplaced, especially of late. Conceding a goal a game is not a disaster, and wouldn't be a problem if our forwards could score regularly, scoring just once against the worst keeper in the league (by goals conceded) was ridiculous.

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i think you are looking too recently at a few games.  My view of Bazunu is based on what we have season for more than a season. I still believe Bazunu is poor and a decent goalkeeper helps us win points.  We would have had all three vs Rotherham, for example, if Bazunu had better positional sense.

That doesn't absolve the atrocious finishing we have seen from the team over the last 2+years now. Equally true that we could and should have had a handful of goals vs Rotherham for example.

However, when it comes down to it, good teams tend to have a strong foundation at the back. Even if we had our defence sorted, I would not be confident of winning 1-0 with him in goal.

Just my opinion, of course.

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Whitey Grandad

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  On 13/10/2023 at 10:47, Saint_clark said:

It's proven by the fact that he saves the least amount of shots in the league. 

That means that other keepers are saving more than him. 

That means that shots he is letting in, other keepers are saving. 

Unless you're still going to try and tell us that he is the unluckiest keeper on earth and the majority of shots he faces are world class impossible-to-save ones? 

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No

There you go again, going on about statistics. You can go and worship at the altar that is football statistics if you wish, but they have nothing to do with anything that ever happens in real life. You’ll find that chicken entrails or tea leaves will not be any worse.

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Whitey Grandad

Whitey Grandad

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  On 13/10/2023 at 12:20, Jimbo said:

i think you are looking too recently at a few games.  My view of Bazunu is based on what we have season for more than a season. I still believe Bazunu is poor and a decent goalkeeper helps us win points.  We would have had all three vs Rotherham, for example, if Bazunu had better positional sense.

That doesn't absolve the atrocious finishing we have seen from the team over the last 2+years now. Equally true that we could and should have had a handful of goals vs Rotherham for example.

However, when it comes down to it, good teams tend to have a strong foundation at the back. Even if we had our defence sorted, I would not be confident of winning 1-0 with him in goal.

Just my opinion, of course.

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You cannot possibly compare last season with this. We’re now in a different league, don’t you know.

Saint_clark

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  On 13/10/2023 at 14:14, Whitey Grandad said:

No

There you go again, going on about statistics. You can go and worship at the altar that is football statistics if you wish, but they have nothing to do with anything that ever happens in real life. You’ll find that chicken entrails or tea leaves will not be any worse.

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What the hell else do you want to judge him on? 

You're now dismissing the fact that he lets in more shots than other keepers as useless statistics...you're off the deep end mate. 

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