Gavin Bazunu

[Saint_clark]

27 minutes ago, notnowcato said:

Does the pass complete stat take into account length of pass?  Is there an expected pass complete stat for goalkeepers?  (Sorry Whitey 😉 )

No, but there were separate stats for long and short passes when I looked, can't be bothered to look now. 

However, it's kind of irrelevant. You can't make the argument that you're sacrificing shot stopping ability for distribution if the keeper is only good at passing short to his defenders - that's nothing special.

Edited 4 October, 2023 by Saint_clark

[Chez]

46 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

No, but there were separate stats for long and short passes when I looked, can't be bothered to look now. 

However, it's kind of irrelevant. You can't make the argument that you're sacrificing shot stopping ability for distribution if the keeper is only good at passing short to his defenders - that's nothing special.

is there a keeper stat for unpunished/punished errors and/or total fuck ups? 

I missed the Baz `miskick', but I did see Fielding make a total rik when coming to claim the corner that Downes' header looped over the bar. 

[Bad Wolf]

How come when a player is doing poorly, the critism outweighs the praise when they do better?

This seems to be a general sport thing in general.

[Saint_clark]

4 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said:

How come when a player is doing poorly, the critism outweighs the praise when they do better?

This seems to be a general sport thing in general.

Very badly = lots of criticism

Badly = criticism 

Slightly badly = a little criticism

Average = not much either way

Slightly well = little bit of praise

Well = praise

Very well = gushing praise

 

Bazunu is doing better that's true. He has gone from badly to average on the above scale. He's doing the bare minimum that is expected of him right now, so there isn't much in either direction.

[Bad Wolf]

8 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

Very badly = lots of criticism

Badly = criticism 

Slightly badly = a little criticism

Average = not much either way

Slightly well = little bit of praise

Well = praise

Very well = gushing praise

 

Bazunu is doing better that's true. He has gone from badly to average on the above scale. He's doing the bare minimum that is expected of him right now, so there isn't much in either direction.

We really are a hard bunch to please...

[Holmes_and_Watson]

Last night:

Distribution better first half than second.

We're not trying to pass it out from the back quite so much, so he's getting in some longer passes. He's good at it.

Lost full control of the ball. Didn't hesitate to get rid of it, which was the right thing to do, rather than faff about with it, and lose it.

Got in a couple of saves.

Got in at least one good punched clearance.

Picked up a clean sheet bonus.

He did fine.

[spyinthesky]

Baz is doing OK and his distribution is very good as is his speed in/around the penalty area.

I would have liked him to be an inch or two bigger but nothing can be done in this respect.

Most/all 'keepers get better with age and Baz is a nipper in the overall 'keeper equation.

 

[disconnect]

I thought he had a good game last night, as he has most matches I've watched this season. I would say him performing at the bare minimum level expected is very harsh - I havent seen many opposition keepers who I thought looked much better than Bazunu.

[skintsaint]

3 minutes ago, spyinthesky said:

I would have liked him to be an inch or two bigger

[VectisSaint]

17 hours ago, saintant said:

Baz was decent again tonight apart from one scare when he dashed out to clear and kicked it against a Stoke player. Dealt with everything that came his way and distribution was excellent. Not keen on a few of his floaty passes to Manning who isn't great when he has to hurry.

To be fair he made 2 or 3 bad clearances/passes (assume the one you refer to was where he sliced his clearance which put us in serious trouble). Still doesn't dominate enough at corners, but generally he was very good. He did only have 2 saves to make though, which was not really testing, still you can only play against what is in front of you.

[Lord Duckhunter]

He’s getting better all the time , but as John Lennon wrote “it can’t get no worse”.

Edited 5 October, 2023 by Lord Duckhunter

[Dman]

19 hours ago, Bad Wolf said:

How come when a player is doing poorly, the critism outweighs the praise when they do better?

This seems to be a general sport thing in general.

He's doing what you'd expect a keeper to do - that's about it

[Dusic]

His distribution the last couple of games has been so good, he makes it look easy when its anything but.

Wait til he misses a game and we have to see McCarthy do it....

[Saint_clark]

1 hour ago, Dusic said:

His distribution the last couple of games has been so good, he makes it look easy when its anything but.

Wait til he misses a game and we have to see McCarthy do it....

It's been OK, some poor passes along with some good ones and even the good ones aren't any better than Meslier for Leeds the other weekend. His distribution certainly isn't good enough to warrant pinning all our hopes on him, we should have signed an experienced first choice keeper. 

[notnowcato]

39 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

It's been OK, some poor passes along with some good ones and even the good ones aren't any better than Meslier for Leeds the other weekend. His distribution certainly isn't good enough to warrant pinning all our hopes on him, we should have signed an experienced first choice keeper. 

His distribution is as good as any keeper, you really are very lonely with your opinion on this aspect of his game.

[Bad Wolf]

3 hours ago, Dman said:

He's doing what you'd expect a keeper to do - that's about it

But he gets blamed for goals that no keeper could have got to so surely he should be given praise for doing what he's expected to do?

[Bad Wolf]

1 hour ago, Saint_clark said:

It's been OK, some poor passes along with some good ones and even the good ones aren't any better than Meslier for Leeds the other weekend. His distribution certainly isn't good enough to warrant pinning all our hopes on him, we should have signed an experienced first choice keeper. 

Bazunu's distribution even last season was excellent IMO. Yes there were passes that didn't go exactly where he wanted them to but that's true of any keeper. 

[Saint_clark]

1 hour ago, notnowcato said:

His distribution is as good as any keeper, you really are very lonely with your opinion on this aspect of his game.

Pure nonsense. His distribution is good but nothing special in todays game and certainly not good enough that I wouldn't sacrifice it for a much better shot stopper.

[Lord Duckhunter]

30 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said:

But he gets blamed for goals that no keeper could have got to so surely he should be given praise for doing what he's expected to do?

His fan club on here are quick to point out ones that aren’t mistakes, but that’s not the main criticism on here. We are constantly pointing out that he’s not expected to save them all, but some would be nice. For every 10 that werent mistakes last season, I reckon a decent keeper would have saved 3 of them at least. I’ve never seen a keeper with weaker hands, never seen one beaten so much after getting his hand to an effort. Lots of his goals are in the “should he have done better” bag for my liking, and I’m not seeing any “how did he save that” saves yet. 

[John B]

On 04/10/2023 at 16:38, Bad Wolf said:

How come when a player is doing poorly, the critism outweighs the praise when they do better?

This seems to be a general sport thing in general.

As a first reaction I think people like to think badly of players these days not sure it was so prevelant years ago.

 

I cannot remember being critical of players when I was watching players regularly years ago but KWP is the only current player I feel players well regularly as I expect all the others will back balls ups during the game 

[Galway saint]

he’s done what you would expect in the last two games. nothing to get excited about. some routine saves but he has looked more assured and that’s a positive.

can’t recall whether there were any low shots to his left during the last two games as thats been his achilles heel 

 

 

 

 

[notnowcato]

4 hours ago, Saint_clark said:

Pure nonsense. His distribution is good but nothing special in todays game and certainly not good enough that I wouldn't sacrifice it for a much better shot stopper.

If you say so 🙄

[danjosaint]

4 hours ago, Saint_clark said:

Pure nonsense. His distribution is good but nothing special in todays game and certainly not good enough that I wouldn't sacrifice it for a much better shot stopper.

100% agree, his kicking is miles better than AM but let's not get to carried away, his kicking against Stoke was such a mixed bag, some excellent confident calm out wide and some balls he over cooked them or nowhere near target or miskicked, give me a better shot stopper and vocal keeper all day long 

[Osvaldorama]

Does he ever make a save?

[Block41 Saint]

Found myself asking would Bazunu save that with the Sulemana/Smallbone chances today. I think the answer is no. 

[Saint Matty 76]

Do we continue thinking stats just “don’t matter”?

[Saint Matty 76]

Statistically the worst the PL has ever seen. Currently the worst in the Championship.

Whether you want to believe statistics or not, it’s grim reading. He is not good enough.

Great with his feet, terrible goalkeeper.

[Draino76]

I have the crazy idea of signing the Rotherham goalie in the transfer window.

25 years old and would cost probably under 1 million.

[danjosaint]

No no no don't you know in the championship the shots aren't as hard or placed in the corners so he'll be fine blah blah blah 

Yes he's crap, poor positioning , no presence, weak wrists  with ok kicking

Edited 7 October, 2023 by danjosaint

[AlexLaw76]

Has Baz ever had a game for us, like the Rotherham keeper?

nope, and probably never will

[Saint_clark]

55 minutes ago, Draino76 said:

I have the crazy idea of signing the Rotherham goalie in the transfer window.

25 years old and would cost probably under 1 million.

Really good shout. Won't happen. The club are stubbornly sticking to the idea that he is top quality. 

[Lord Duckhunter]

I wasn’t there today, but by all accounts we had a lot of chances. A question for those that did see it. If you swapped keepers would the score still have been 1-1. 
 

As Baz’s fan boys don’t seem to like the “shots on target saved” stats, perhaps we could ask that particular question every week instead. 

Edited 7 October, 2023 by Lord Duckhunter

[Lee On Solent Saint]

1 minute ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

I wasn’t there today, but by all accounts we had a lot of chances. A question for those that did see it. If you swapped keepers would the score still have been 1-1. 
 

As Baz’s fan boys don’t seem to like the “shots on target saved” stats, perhaps we could ask that particular question every week instead. 

To be fair, he didn't have a whole lot to do today. The saves he made you would expect even him to make. Probably his positioning was suspect for their goal though, although he would say that THB should be making a better clearance than he actually did. 

[Lord Duckhunter]

2 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

To be fair, he didn't have a whole lot to do today. The saves he made you would expect even him to make. Probably his positioning was suspect for their goal though, although he would say that THB should be making a better clearance than he actually did. 

If he was nets for them, do you think we’d have won? 

[Block41 Saint]

3 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

To be fair, he didn't have a whole lot to do today. The saves he made you would expect even him to make. Probably his positioning was suspect for their goal though, although he would say that THB should be making a better clearance than he actually did. 

He's stood 8 yards off his goal line. Its abysmal goalkeeping once again. Bin him off. 

[Lee On Solent Saint]

Just now, Lord Duckhunter said:

If he was nets for them, do you think we’d have won? 

Highly likely. Their keeper was the stand out for them no question. However, a more confident and composed finish from Smallbone would have won it. He gave the keeper a chance to save it, when he absolutley shouls have buried it into either corner. 

[Lighthouse]

1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Has Baz ever had a game for us, like the Rotherham keeper?

nope, and probably never will

Man United away last year but I guess he was only up against Fernandes, Rashford, Anthony and Sancho.

Utterly laughable that people are piling in on him after today. I guess we can add ‘other keeper has excellent game’ to the list of faults in Bazunu’s game.

[Block41 Saint]

2 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Man United away last year but I guess he was only up against Fernandes, Rashford, Anthony and Sancho.

Utterly laughable that people are piling in on him after today. I guess we can add ‘other keeper has excellent game’ to the list of faults in Bazunu’s game.

It isn't laughable. The guy has been an utterly abysmal signing for £12m after playing for a midtable League One side. 

[Saint_clark]

10 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Man United away last year but I guess he was only up against Fernandes, Rashford, Anthony and Sancho.

Utterly laughable that people are piling in on him after today. I guess we can add ‘other keeper has excellent game’ to the list of faults in Bazunu’s game.

"Rotherham keeper is better at being a goalkeeper" is absolutely legitimate grounds for criticism. 

[Lighthouse]

11 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

"Rotherham keeper is better at being a goalkeeper" is absolutely legitimate grounds for criticism. 

Well, next time a keeper lets in an absolute howler against us, I look forward to you telling us all how wonderful Baz is, by default.

[Block41 Saint]

13 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Well, next time a keeper lets in an absolute howler against us, I look forward to you telling us all how wonderful Baz is, by default.

Dreaming of the day that happens. 

[Lord Duckhunter]

1 hour ago, Lighthouse said:

Utterly laughable that people are piling in on him after today. I guess we can add ‘other keeper has excellent game’ to the list of faults in Bazunu’s game.

Do think there has been one game he’s played in where the opposing supporters would have swapped keepers? 
 

He’s probably played against 40 different teams for us and I doubt one of those 40 sides wished he was in nets rather than their keeper. Not one.
 

 

[Wade Garrett]

Terrible positioning for their goal.  Still, he’s only young.  Give him a few more seasons.

[sambosa75]

He’s just shite.  Not his fault he keeps getting picked but all he’s demonstrated in his collective appearances for the club is that he’s simply not up to the job and likely never will be.

[AlexLaw76]

On 07/10/2023 at 22:04, Lighthouse said:

Man United away last year but I guess he was only up against Fernandes, Rashford, Anthony and Sancho.

Utterly laughable that people are piling in on him after today. I guess we can add ‘other keeper has excellent game’ to the list of faults in Bazunu’s game.

 

[Osvaldorama]

He’s shit. Properly shit. 
 

Anyone defending him is just being nice because he’s so young. But he is hurting us so badly. Every shot on our goal goes in. It’s shocking.
 

We can have 80-90% possession, all the chances in the world and then concede the first half chance and lose because we have a lettuce goal keeper. 

[Weston Super Saint]

2 hours ago, Osvaldorama said:

He’s shit. Properly shit. 
 

Anyone defending him is just being nice because he’s so young. But he is hurting us so badly. Every shot on our goal goes in. It’s shocking.
 

We can have 80-90% possession, all the chances in the world and then concede the first half chance and lose because we have a lettuce goal keeper. 

I believe it is currently 'every other' shot that goes in, but I'm sure St Clark has the correct stats....

 

[Miltonaggro]

On 07/10/2023 at 22:07, Block41 Saint said:

It isn't laughable. The guy has been an utterly abysmal signing for £12m after playing for a midtable League One side. 

I wonder if Mousinho would swap Bazunu for Norris, currently?

[Saint_clark]

8 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said:

I believe it is currently 'every other' shot that goes in, but I'm sure St Clark has the correct stats....

 

One out of every 2.13 shots.

[Galway saint]

3 hours ago, Saint_clark said:

One out of every 2.13 shots.

that doesn’t seem good

how does it compare to others in the division ?