Gavin Bazunu

[Whitey Grandad]

2 hours ago, Saint_clark said:

Because it's easier to keep track of it that way than trying to look it up halfway through the season. 

And today proves what a waste of time that is.

[Saint_clark]

2 hours ago, ErwinK1961 said:

It’s no though is it. You can look it up at any point. You’re just posting it as some weird way to knock Bazunu when he hasn’t done anything wrong. Weird support.

You might be able to, but I wouldn't know where to look. So it's easier to take 5 seconds to update my previous tally.

[Saint_clark]

38 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

And today proves what a waste of time that is.

Sometimes there are shots that keepers "can't do anything about" and they somehow manage to keep it out anyway. He never has. 

[ErwinK1961]

3 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

You might be able to, but I wouldn't know where to look. So it's easier to take 5 seconds to update my previous tally.

Melt.

[Saint_clark]

10 minutes ago, ErwinK1961 said:

Melt.

One game where he did nothing doesn't mean he isn't shit anymore.

[Whitey Grandad]

14 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

Sometimes there are shots that keepers "can't do anything about" and they somehow manage to keep it out anyway. He never has. 

That’s nonsense. If they “can’t do anything about” a shot then by definition they won’t manage to keep it out.

Give up with your ridiculous vendetta, will you, and take your ‘shots on target’ idiocy with you.

[Whitey Grandad]

3 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

One game where he did nothing doesn't mean he isn't shit anymore.

Er...

There’s logic and there’s WTF?

[ErwinK1961]

16 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

One game where he did nothing doesn't mean he isn't shit anymore.

So you’re admitting your posting that stat to try and prove how shit he is then? Even though he’s done nowt wrong this season.

Edited 19 August, 2023 by ErwinK1961

[AlexLaw76]

He was good today. When you compare their keeper trying to play the ball from his own box, it was light years apart.

[Harry_SFC]

16 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

He was good today. When you compare their keeper trying to play the ball from his own box, it was light years apart.

I noticed that. Their defence certainly weren't comfortable on the ball either. 

[Saint_clark]

18 minutes ago, ErwinK1961 said:

So you’re admitting your posting that stat to try and prove how shit he is then? Even though he’s done nowt wrong this season.

Er, yes. I am of the opinion based on the evidence of my eyes and the stats that he is shit. 

He's done nowt wrong this season so far but has got lucky a couple of times with referee calls helping him out. He was nowhere near the ball when the Plymouth player went through today and if he hadnt decided to dive would have been around him. 

[Lighthouse]

1 minute ago, Saint_clark said:

Er, yes. I am of the opinion based on the evidence of my eyes and the stats that he is shit. 

He's done nowt wrong this season so far but has got lucky a couple of times with referee calls helping him out. He was nowhere near the ball when the Plymouth player went through today and if he hadnt decided to dive would have been around him. 

So your criticism of him today is that he might have conceded from a 1 on 1 with a player who was unmarked, but he didn’t?

Have any other keepers ever conceded from a striker 1v1, through on goal? Buffon perhaps or Lev Yashin?

[skintsaint]

Saint Clark having a mare here.

[ErwinK1961]

26 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

Er, yes. I am of the opinion based on the evidence of my eyes and the stats that he is shit. 

He's done nowt wrong this season so far but has got lucky a couple of times with referee calls helping him out. He was nowhere near the ball when the Plymouth player went through today and if he hadnt decided to dive would have been around him. 

So you’re posting a stat, that has zero relevance to his performance this season, to justify your opinion? Mare.

“If he hadn’t decided to dive, would have been around him” - imagine a goalkeeper diving, how bizarre.

You’re trying to find problems which aren’t there right now. No doubt you’ll get your opportunity at various points this season to hammer your point home, but right now he’s done nothing wrong so get behind him.

 

[FarehamSaintJames]

30 minutes ago, skintsaint said:

Saint Clark having a mare here.

For Saint Clark: 🖕🏻

Nothing more. 😂

[Whitey Grandad]

1 hour ago, Saint_clark said:

Er, yes. I am of the opinion based on the evidence of my eyes and the stats that he is shit. 

He's done nowt wrong this season so far but has got lucky a couple of times with referee calls helping him out. He was nowhere near the ball when the Plymouth player went through today and if he hadnt decided to dive would have been around him. 

It’s time you came to learn that what you call ‘stats’ are not evidence. They are random numbers. If you think there is some meaning or significance in them then I predict a stellar career for you in reading tea leaves. Bird entrails even.

 

[Saint_clark]

7 hours ago, ErwinK1961 said:

So you’re posting a stat, that has zero relevance to his performance this season, to justify your opinion? Mare.

“If he hadn’t decided to dive, would have been around him” - imagine a goalkeeper diving, how bizarre.

 

If the striker hadnt dived, genius.

6 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said:

It’s time you came to learn that what you call ‘stats’ are not evidence. They are random numbers. If you think there is some meaning or significance in them then I predict a stellar career for you in reading tea leaves. Bird entrails even.

 

3 goals in 3 games for Che adams. Not a decent start to the season, just random numbers. 

[Fan The Flames]

1 hour ago, Saint_clark said:

If the striker hadnt dived, genius.

To be fair, your sentance reads as though you're talking about Baz diving. He had a good game yesterday.

[Baird of the land]

10 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

He was good today. When you compare their keeper trying to play the ball from his own box, it was light years apart.

He was average today. Made an error playing out early on, would still view the rush out as rather rash. Can’t really judge shot stopping as apart from their goal I can’t remember any shots he had to save.

 

[Smirking_Saint]

2 hours ago, Saint_clark said:

If the striker hadnt dived, genius.

3 goals in 3 games for Che adams. Not a decent start to the season, just random numbers. 

Put the spade down, you’re going the wrong way

[Whitey Grandad]

3 hours ago, Saint_clark said:

If the striker hadnt dived, genius.

3 goals in 3 games for Che adams. Not a decent start to the season, just random numbers. 

Different numbers, different stats.

[Convict Colony]

11 hours ago, Saint_clark said:

Er, yes. I am of the opinion based on the evidence of my eyes and the stats that he is shit. 

He's done nowt wrong this season so far but has got lucky a couple of times with referee calls helping him out. He was nowhere near the ball when the Plymouth player went through today and if he hadnt decided to dive would have been around him. 

[S-Clarke]

5 hours ago, Saint_clark said:

If the striker hadnt dived, genius.

3 goals in 3 games for Che adams. Not a decent start to the season, just random numbers. 

You're having an absolute nightmare here to be honest.

[miserableoldgit]

21 hours ago, James said:

Credit where credit is due. I thought he looked much better today. 

How much of this do you think is due to the unwavering public vote of confidence that RM gave him at the Forum (and presumably behind the scenes) compared with the absolute battering that he gets on various forums and from the fans?

[Lord Duckhunter]

1 minute ago, miserableoldgit said:

How much of this do you think is due to the unwavering public vote of confidence that RM gave him at the Forum (and presumably behind the scenes) compared with the absolute battering that he gets on various forums and from the fans?

None. It had more to do with Plymouth only having two shots on target. 

[miserableoldgit]

2 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

None. It had more to do with Plymouth only having two shots on target. 

Oh yes......of course it was. No mention of the confidence going for the punch clearances when we were under pressure near the end? 

[Baird of the land]

4 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

None. It had more to do with Plymouth only having two shots on target. 

one was the goal. What was the other one, i can't think of anything of note?

[Saint_clark]

3 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

You're having an absolute nightmare here to be honest.

Only perceived that way because it was a game where he had very little to do and was saved his blushes when rushing out because the striker inexplicably dived. He also cocked about with it when passing the ball out and we nearly conceded that way. 

Once we get to a game where one of his cock ups is punished there'll be less of a backlash to me updating this stat. He's looking "better" now not because of improved performances but because the players he's up against are a lot worse and a lot less capable of punishing him. 

Edited 20 August, 2023 by Saint_clark

[ErwinK1961]

He still doesn’t get it 😂 - pathetic.

[Saint_clark]

8 minutes ago, ErwinK1961 said:

He still doesn’t get it 😂 - pathetic.

I presented the stat without any opinion attached, it's you lot that took this further. 

Why don't we just wait and see what happens and if he turns me around I'm more than happy to hold my hands up and admit so.

[Polegategavin243]

18 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

Only perceived that way because it was a game where he had very little to do and was saved his blushes when rushing out because the striker inexplicably dived. He also cocked about with it when passing the ball out and we nearly conceded that way. 

Once we get to a game where one of his cock ups is punished there'll be less of a backlash to me updating this stat. He's looking "better" now not because of improved performances but because the players he's up against are a lot worse and a lot less capable of punishing him. 

When was the “cocking about with it” event(s) in the game yesterday. He actually seemed to be much more assured and not messing about with the ball yesterday, unlike both our centre backs who got away with at least a couple each where Plymouth nearly nicked the ball.

[Baird of the land]

1 minute ago, Polegategavin243 said:

When was the “cocking about with it” event(s) in the game yesterday. He actually seemed to be much more assured and not messing about with the ball yesterday, unlike both our centre backs who got away with at least a couple each where Plymouth nearly nicked the ball.

First half he passed the ball straight to a plymouth striker, fortunately they messed up the attack.

[Saint_clark]

9 minutes ago, Polegategavin243 said:

When was the “cocking about with it” event(s) in the game yesterday. He actually seemed to be much more assured and not messing about with the ball yesterday, unlike both our centre backs who got away with at least a couple each where Plymouth nearly nicked the ball.

I didn't make a note of the exact time. If I had, no doubt I'd have been attacked similarly to how I have for presenting the stats on his save record. Which in case you've forgotten so far says you will score a goal with every 4 shots on target.

[coalman]

18 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

I didn't make a note of the exact time. If I had, no doubt I'd have been attacked similarly to how I have for presenting the stats on his save record. Which in case you've forgotten so far says you will score a goal with every 4 shots on target.

That's not how stats work. You can say they have scored a goal for every 4 shots on target but you cannot say will. And that's before the gross over simplification that all shots or chances are equal.

[FarehamSaintJames]

Having a mare, Clarky

Edited 20 August, 2023 by FarehamSaintJames

[Saint_clark]

1 minute ago, coalman said:

That's not how stats work. You can say they have scored a goal for every 4 shots on target but you cannot say will. And that's before the gross over simplification that all shots or chances are equal.

That's why I'm keeping track of it to see how it progresses. 

[Saint_clark]

Just now, FarehamSaintJames said:

Having a mare, Clarky

We'll see. My opinion is he's shit and will never come good. Let's see how he progresses 👍

[Whitey Grandad]

42 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

I presented the stat without any opinion attached, it's you lot that took this further. 

Why don't we just wait and see what happens and if he turns me around I'm more than happy to hold my hands up and admit so.

“the stat”

You still don’t get it. 

[FarehamSaintJames]

Just now, Saint_clark said:

We'll see. My opinion is he's shit and will never come good. Let's see how he progresses 👍

He’s not world class by a long way. He was poor last season but then again as was everyone, plus the judgement by the club that a player of his age could go from League One to the Premier League was baffling. That I agree with.

As for this season so far, he hasn’t done anything to affect a game negatively yet. Jury’s out for him at this time.

[Whitey Grandad]

24 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

I didn't make a note of the exact time. If I had, no doubt I'd have been attacked similarly to how I have for presenting the stats on his save record. Which in case you've forgotten so far says you will score a goal with every 4 shots on target.

“shots on target”

When will you ever learn?

[Whitey Grandad]

4 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

That's why I'm keeping track of it to see how it progresses. 

You’re wasting your time. You are free to waste yours but please don’t waste mine.

[Saint86]

He's a good keeper for this level and for how we want to play. Clearly has a very strong mentality and self confidence, and he's got the potential to become a very good keeper. 

His saves / post shot expected goals ratio was poor last year, sure... but in fairness to him, statistically the stats he's being compared against weren't from other defences spontaneously assisting the strikers with no/little warning. 

[S-Clarke]

12 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

We'll see. My opinion is he's shit and will never come good. Let's see how he progresses 👍

So I was right yesterday, your posts are fully agenda driven.

[Saint_clark]

21 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

You’re wasting your time. You are free to waste yours but please don’t waste mine.

I'm not forcing you to reply to my posts. I'm fully entitled to post on here same as anyone else.

11 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

So I was right yesterday, your posts are fully agenda driven.

I've never hidden the fact that I think he's shit. I am still fully open to changing my opinion. 

[Fan The Flames]

I don't buy that Hardie would definitely have score if he hadn't dive, still has a bit to do. Although the incident isn't on the highlights, so can't check. What I do know is that it was never a penalty, I can't believe that's even a question. 

[The Kraken]

10 minutes ago, Fan The Flames said:

I don't buy that Hardie would definitely have score if he hadn't dive, still has a bit to do. Although the incident isn't on the highlights, so can't check. What I do know is that it was never a penalty, I can't believe that's even a question. 

It’s at 4.50 on this video. The striker could have scored but he touched the ball quite hard past Bazunu so I think he’d have been shooting from a pretty tight angle. I wouldn’t at all say he would’ve definitely scored but he’d have had a reasonable chance either to shoot from a tight angle or control it and either bring it back to shoot or play in an onrushing midfielder (though Saints also had two or three others charging back to cover in addition to the central defenders).

I thought it was rash from Bazunu to commit so much for it but fair play, he controlled his dive and it absolutely was not a foul imo.

 

 

Edited 20 August, 2023 by The Kraken

[Fan The Flames]

11 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

It’s at 4.50 on this video. The attacked could have scored but he touched the ball quite hard past Bazunu so I I think he’d have been shooting from a pretty tight angle. I wouldn’t at all say he would’ve definitely scored but he’d have had a reasonable chance either to shoot from a tight angle or control it and either bring it back to shoot or play in an untrusting midfielder (though Saints also had two or three others charging back to cover in addition to the central defenders).

I thought it was rash from Bazunu to come out for it but fair play, he controlled his dive and it absolutely was not a foul imo.

Thanks, yes still a lot to do and his heavy touch didn't help him. You're righta bit rash but he control himself. 

Also haven't the rules changed a bit this year regarding goalkeepers fouling forwards.

[St. Ciervo]

Baz's confident charge out put pressure on Hardie and forced the bad touch, no? If Baz sits back, Hardie turns in and has time to line up a dangerous shot on goal. Imagine what Clark might have said then...

Dangerous run turned out to be harmless. Great job, Baz.

[FarehamSaintJames]

I’d like to know how Clark reacted when RM said on Tuesday at the forum that he was fully behind Baz.

Did he break a bottle? Throw the remote at the TV? Driving rampage? What happened 👀

[The Kraken]

1 hour ago, St. Ciervo said:

Baz's confident charge out put pressure on Hardie and forced the bad touch, no? If Baz sits back, Hardie turns in and has time to line up a dangerous shot on goal. Imagine what Clark might have said then...

Dangerous run turned out to be harmless. Great job, Baz.

I wouldn’t say it was a “great” job tbf. And I’m not being critical of Bazunu either, i think he did ok in the situation.  Watch it back on the video and Bazunu has a really good starting position, he’s almost on the edge of the area doing the sweeper keeper thing. When I first saw I thought he was a bit reckless diving in as he did, but I also praise him for that dive being well controlled so as not to clean out the attacker. It worked out ok, no error as I see it, but also not great in the same breath in that the situation played out to his fortune. If the striker had not gone looking for the dive and just knocked it past, it’s a different story and no-one has any idea how it turns out (I’ve seen comments on here saying it’s an easy goal but I disagree with that, although it definitely would’ve given a genuine chance). Anyway, no harm no foul, it came to nothing. Tge major fault lies with the striker who tried to cheat his way to a penalty.

 

Edited 20 August, 2023 by The Kraken