Gavin Bazunu

[Miltonaggro]

Just now, Turkish said:

Worst keeper since Keith Granger absolutely shite

Gunn was much better today IMO, at least he looked and sounded like a goalkeeper. 

[Ed Rooney]

1st Goal unmarked free header…. 2nd goal dangling leg tackling and back turning…. 3rd Goal unmarked free header…. 4th Goal another defensive howler 

 

[skintsaint]

3 minutes ago, Ed Rooney said:

1st Goal unmarked free header…. 2nd goal dangling leg tackling and back turning…. 3rd Goal unmarked free header…. 4th Goal another defensive howler 

 

All big Baz's fault apparently.

[Whitey Grandad]

15 minutes ago, Miltonaggro said:

Gunn was much better today IMO, at least he looked and sounded like a goalkeeper. 

And palmed the header out to Bednarek?

[Miltonaggro]

3 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

And palmed the header out to Bednarek?

Yes, a poor keeper but looked and sounded like a goalkeeper today. We don’t agree on this Whitey but to me Bazunu just doesn’t have the requesite presence or strength, regardless of the obvious weaknesses of the defenders around him. 

[Ed Rooney]

9 minutes ago, skintsaint said:

All big Baz's fault apparently.

Oh of course 

[Baird of the land]

Awful for the disallowed goal.

He did come out and make a nice block later when it looked like their sub was going to score.

Think he's very mediocre but we've put ourseves in a bind by extending Mccarthy and signing him, so just got to hope he keeps errors to a minimum.

[Whitey Grandad]

2 minutes ago, Miltonaggro said:

Yes, a poor keeper but looked and sounded like a goalkeeper today. We don’t agree on this Whitey but to me Bazunu just doesn’t have the requesite presence or strength, regardless of the obvious weaknesses of the defenders around him. 

Not the greatest keeper but I’m much more worried by the blotting paper defence in front of him.

[SaintsBarry74]

If we persist with a goal keeper so far out of his depth we're going to stay in Championship limbo for a long time to come. Look at Leicester City, they persisted with Danny Ward last season and it got them relegated.

[SNSUN]

Dubravka is wasted sitting on Newcastle’s bench. He’d be my choice if we could ever ship out a GK. Baz just doesn’t fill me with confidence with the ball at his feet. He did make a good block today and could do little with the goals AND has an iffy defence in front of him but a good keeper inspires his defence and makes them more confident. I don’t think Baz fits that bill.

 

That said, I think he remains our number 1 all season.

[Saint86]

Agree with this. Just watched the highlights and was expecting to see a shit show from baz having skimmed the match thread.... none of Norwich's 4 goals are bazunu's fault today. The 2nd is a cracking strike and he's unsighted, the first is a free header put right in the corner, the 4th is laughable defending... In fact let's be honest - same for the 3rd, same for the 1st...

3 hours ago, Luke SkyWalker-Peters said:

Feels different to last season when he was letting in shots that he should have saved. I doubt many keepers would have saved the ones he has let in so far this season. Especially in the Championship.

 

[JRM]

1 hour ago, Miltonaggro said:

Watched the game level with Bazunu today and the lack of presence, physicality and judgement is astonishing. The defence can be appalling (keystone cops today) but they are clearly aware that there is nothing behind them. 

Called this when I first saw him play, he's incredibly quiet for a keeper, makes no attempt to organise or really communicate with the defence in front of him. 

I think our defenders are impacted by that, also no shield in midfield so exposed both sides with opposition free to run at the centre backs, we really need a proper keeper in for this season.

[Appy]

A goalkeeper that can make saves, it’s all I ask. 

[saintant]

1 hour ago, Miltonaggro said:

Watched the game level with Bazunu today and the lack of presence, physicality and judgement is astonishing. The defence can be appalling (keystone cops today) but they are clearly aware that there is nothing behind them. 

The best keepers have positional sense which helps them make saves, deal with crosses and cut down the angles for shots and headers. Baz has the worst positional sense I've seen in a professional keeper which is why he saves very little and is hopeless at dealing with crosses. Agree he has zero presence and it must be a nightmare playing with him behind you. 

[Saint_clark]

He's conceded 71% of shots on target so far this season.

5 out of 7.

Edited 12 August, 2023 by Saint_clark

[ErwinK1961]

14 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

He's conceded 71% of shots on target so far this season.

5 out of 7.

And which ones should he have saved?

[Saint_clark]

24 minutes ago, ErwinK1961 said:

And which ones should he have saved?

No idea as we don't know whether he'd have been able to with better positioning or coming to claim crosses. Seems odd to me that teams that play us are suddenly capable of scoring completely unstoppable goals though.

I'm just going to keep track of that figure game by game. 

[Lighthouse]

1 minute ago, Saint_clark said:

No idea as we don't know whether he'd have been able to with better positioning or coming to claim crosses. Seems odd to me that teams that play us are suddenly capable of scoring completely unstoppable goals though.

I'm just going to keep track of that figure game by game. 

A keeper with worse distribution might have conceded 7 out of 12 shots on target this season, so he’d be better because that’s only 58%?

[woodsaint1]

The big problem is that despite the horrors of last season and the fact hes clearly lacking in confidence, Bazunu's position in the team is under very little threat. McCarthy is no good (and hopefully will be shipped out soon) and Jo Lumley is the definition of a squad filler. 

He's still very raw and will make mistakes like every keeper does, but we dont have the depth to take him out of the firing line if required. 

[Daft Kerplunk]

I wouldn’t blame him for any goals today but if the club believe in him, then decent goalkeeper coaching is essential. I remember David Seaman being prone to errors but high-end coaching got him to another level. Positioning is coachable, but is critical as you’re in a better place to make saves when needed. Baz can make saves, he can play with his feet which is vital for modern keepers. He just needs focussed coaching on positioning to make an initial difference, then work on the other aspects of the game. 

[Turkish]

4 minutes ago, Daft Kerplunk said:

I wouldn’t blame him for any goals today but if the club believe in him, then decent goalkeeper coaching is essential. I remember David Seaman being prone to errors but high-end coaching got him to another level. Positioning is coachable, but is critical as you’re in a better place to make saves when needed. Baz can make saves, he can play with his feet which is vital for modern keepers. He just needs focussed coaching on positioning to make an initial difference, then work on the other aspects of the game. 

Can’t remember any specific ones apart from in a friendly 

[hypochondriac]

I personally don't think he was at fault for the goals today but what I do think is that he was part of a terrible defence both last year and this year so far. I think he doesn't have much of a presence for a keeper and his organisational and communication skills have to be questioned at this point. 

[Ex Lion Tamer]

3 hours ago, Baird of the land said:

Awful for the disallowed goal

 

I came here to say this. That parry was utterly awful, he should be putting it behind

[Saint_clark]

2 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

A keeper with worse distribution might have conceded 7 out of 12 shots on target this season, so he’d be better because that’s only 58%?

Yes, obviously. 

Bazunus distribution isn't even that special.

[ErwinK1961]

7 hours ago, Saint_clark said:

No idea as we don't know whether he'd have been able to with better positioning or coming to claim crosses. Seems odd to me that teams that play us are suddenly capable of scoring completely unstoppable goals though.

I'm just going to keep track of that figure game by game. 

So a pointless stat then.

[stevy777_x]

Are we gonna still find excuses for him when his shots to save ratio is gonna be low again this season?

[Whitey Grandad]

9 hours ago, Saint_clark said:

No idea as we don't know whether he'd have been able to with better positioning or coming to claim crosses. Seems odd to me that teams that play us are suddenly capable of scoring completely unstoppable goals though.

I'm just going to keep track of that figure game by game. 

If you think that such figures are important or significant then there’s no hope for you. They are meaningless hogwash.

[Whitey Grandad]

9 hours ago, Turkish said:

Can’t remember any specific ones apart from in a friendly 

Did you miss the important one yesterday?

[Whitey Grandad]

18 minutes ago, stevy777_x said:

Are we gonna still find excuses for him when his shots to save ratio is gonna be low again this season?

What is with you people and so-called statistics? These figures are random rubbish and  have nothing to do with football and any of its results. 
 

A bit like possession percentage really.

[notnowcato]

So we need someone who “looks like a keeper” and “sounds like a keeper”. Fucking brilliant. 
 

[Saint_clark]

57 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

If you think that such figures are important or significant then there’s no hope for you. They are meaningless hogwash.

You think that the percentage of shots on target a keeper saves is meaningless? 

[Whitey Grandad]

4 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

You think that the percentage of shots on target a keeper saves is meaningless? 

Of course it is. Do you really think that a keeper is standing in goal with nobody else in the penalty area whilst the ball comes at him randomly from different directions at different speeds? Because that is the only circumstance in which any such statistic might be meaningful.

They type of shot is decided by the attacker who will make his choice depending on how much time he has, who is in front of him and everything else that is going through his head.

[Turkish]

1 hour ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Did you miss the important one yesterday?

So he’s managed to save one of the six  attempts on target he’s faced this season 

[Saint_clark]

57 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Of course it is. Do you really think that a keeper is standing in goal with nobody else in the penalty area whilst the ball comes at him randomly from different directions at different speeds? Because that is the only circumstance in which any such statistic might be meaningful.

They type of shot is decided by the attacker who will make his choice depending on how much time he has, who is in front of him and everything else that is going through his head.

And your line of thinking implies that him having the worst save percentage in the league last season had nothing to do with him and was instead because as a team we just happened to face more unstoppable, world class shots than any other. 

[saintant]

8 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

And your line of thinking implies that him having the worst save percentage in the league last season had nothing to do with him and was instead because as a team we just happened to face more unstoppable, world class shots than any other. 

This in a nutshell. 

[Saint Billy]

Not defending Bazuna but he had and still has a truly god awful defence in front of him.

[Weston Super Saint]

Just now, Saint Billy said:

Not defending Bazuna but he had and still has a truly god awful defence in front of him.

More direction from Baz and maybe the two unmarked goals yesterday become marked, non-goals?

[Lighthouse]

10 hours ago, Saint_clark said:

Yes, obviously. 

Bazunus distribution isn't even that special.

So you’d literally rather have a keeper who concedes more goals, so long as their save percentage is better.

[Saint_clark]

 

14 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

So you’d literally rather have a keeper who concedes more goals, so long as their save percentage is better.

If a keepers save percentage is higher then he conceded less goals...your example of there being more shots on target is irrelevant as the keeper doesn't affect that. Over the course of a season a keeper who conceded 7 from 12 shots in the first two games would concede less than someone who conceded 5 from 7, if those rates kept up.

[HKsaint]

In Premier League, we conceded at least 2 goals every match. In Championship, I am afraid that we will concede at least 4 goals every match. 

[Lighthouse]

21 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

 

If a keepers save percentage is higher then he conceded less goals...your example of there being more shots on target is irrelevant as the keeper doesn't affect that. Over the course of a season a keeper who conceded 7 from 12 shots in the first two games would concede less than someone who conceded 5 from 7, if those rates kept up.

Yes he does, that’s the point. A keepers distribution will directly affect the amount of pressure the defence is placed under. If Bazunu is neat, tidy and generally plays the ball into feet in positions where our defence and midfield can take it forward, that’s an important part of how we play. There’s no point having a keeper heroically throwing himself in front of 20 shots a game, if he’s then spooning it out to the opposition inside our own half.

[sydney_saint]

I think he contributes to the shambles in front of him. There is a reason why Prem and most Championship sides play experienced keepers, and that is because they have a unique view of the pitch where they can help organise and spot issues. Which can be done better the more experienced they are. Teams aren't playing 35 year old keepers because of their shot stopping abilities. Plenty of good 21 year olds can do that. They play them for everything else they bring which is harder for fans to spot. All of Bednarek, KWP and Stephens have at one point or another looked better without Bazunu between the sticks. Salisu as well before he left. Since Bazunu signed he has made very few saves, and the defence looks less organised.

[hypochondriac]

I can't help but feel that the fact this thread is now 11 pages long is proof in itself that he really divides opinion baiut whether he is good enough this year or not. If we had a really solid keeper this thread would be much shorter because everyone would be in agreement. 

[Lord Duckhunter]

I don’t see any organisation or any leadership from the keeper, none at all. He can see the whole pitch in front of him and yet is like a fucking church mouse he’s so quiet.
 

The free header from the corner (a corner caused by Edozie switching off from the free kick), why wasn’t he shouting and getting the man picked up.  Same with the good shot, why wasn’t he telling Bednarek to get closer. I didn’t hear him shout “away” to Manning and make him hoof it out & even worse why didn’t he bollock Manning for the mistake? Gunn went nuts at his back 4 when they let AA balloon one over the bar. The first one was he communicating with KWP, could his positioning have been better? 
 

Its way too simple to just look at the final shot or header and say he couldn’t have saved it. A bit of communication, organisation and command of his area  would have nipped some of it in the bud. He then wouldn’t have been facing the final shot or header. 
 

Hes fucking pony. 

[Tanlee]

He's just not very good, like a few  of the others 

[AlexLaw76]

He is crap. Has been crap. Will remain crap.

The offside goal was a snippet on his abilities with savable shots, alongside the points raised above.

[Lee On Solent Saint]

We have had countless opportunities to bring in an upgrade on him over the past two seasons. Quite why we haven't is totally beyond me. 

[saintant]

24 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

I don’t see any organisation or any leadership from the keeper, none at all. He can see the whole pitch in front of him and yet is like a fucking church mouse he’s so quiet.
 

The free header from the corner (a corner caused by Edozie switching off from the free kick), why wasn’t he shouting and getting the man picked up.  Same with the good shot, why wasn’t he telling Bednarek to get closer. I didn’t hear him shout “away” to Manning and make him hoof it out & even worse why didn’t he bollock Manning for the mistake? Gunn went nuts at his back 4 when they let AA balloon one over the bar. The first one was he communicating with KWP, could his positioning have been better? 
 

Its way too simple to just look at the final shot or header and say he couldn’t have saved it. A bit of communication, organisation and command of his area  would have nipped some of it in the bud. He then wouldn’t have been facing the final shot or header. 
 

Hes fucking pony. 

This is what some don't get - his job is not only to stop shots but to help prevent them happening in the first place. He takes no responsibility on this front.

[Whitey Grandad]

13 minutes ago, saintant said:

This is what some don't get - his job is not only to stop shots but to help prevent them happening in the first place. He takes no responsibility on this front.

And exactly how was he supposed to do that with any of the four goals yesterday?

[Whitey Grandad]

3 hours ago, Saint_clark said:

And your line of thinking implies that him having the worst save percentage in the league last season had nothing to do with him and was instead because as a team we just happened to face more unstoppable, world class shots than any other. 

That is meaningless piffle and has no place in football this side of the Atlantic.