hypochondriac Posted 23 July, 2023 Author Share Posted 23 July, 2023 6 hours ago, Luke SkyWalker-Peters said: No doubt Bazunu was really poor last season, and he has had a couple of errors in these first three pre-season games, but to act like a 21 year old keeper will never improve (when keepers famously start performing their best in their late 20s and onwards) is laughable. Stat time. Bazunu had the worst post-shot expected goals (PSXG) in the top 5 European leagues last season. Essentially, was conceding goals that weren't placed in difficult areas of the net more than anyone else in a top league. Guess who was the best keeper in this stat (which best quantifies a keeper's ability to save shots) in the Championship last season? Angus Gunn. Gunn has become a good shot-stopper since leaving us, and Bazunu will become a good shot-stopper too. Will he be good enough this season? I don't know, but I think he deserves more of a chance than three pre-season games to try and iron out his inconsistencies. Swansea gave up a lot of goals from sloppy passing around the back. I think we have seen that eliminated for us so far with Gav in goal. I believe that Martin and his staff will have to calculate whether the goals we score from his build-up play and the goals we don't concede from doing it poorly, outweigh the poor saves that will inevitably happen with a young keeper. Their lack of movement for a keeper so far makes me think that, initially at least, they feel like Bazunu is a net positive to the team. We have 5 games before the window closes. If Bazunu is performing badly in that time, then I'm sure we will bring someone in, but for now he needs the support of the fans. His confidence must be very low and negativity from the fans in the stadium won't help. Personally I'm happy to give him a chance but we should buy another keeper now to challenge him or replace him if he proves himself not up to it. If we fail to do that then we are effectively stuck with the problem until January just as we were last year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarehamSaintJames Posted 23 July, 2023 Share Posted 23 July, 2023 Praying for a new number one come the start of the season. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 23 July, 2023 Share Posted 23 July, 2023 People focus too much on the 1 v 1 that led to the goal but conveniently forget about the 1 v 1 he saved a certain goal. Players need to stop these 1 v 1s, guess there was a loose ball in midfield and our CB's were caught out. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 23 July, 2023 Share Posted 23 July, 2023 2 hours ago, hypochondriac said: Personally I'm happy to give him a chance but we should buy another keeper now to challenge him or replace him if he proves himself not up to it. If we fail to do that then we are effectively stuck with the problem until January just as we were last year. Yep. Awful last season, and mistakes in pre season have resulted in goals. His occasional moments of magic show that he's got potential, but he's just too error prone. We need a consistent keeper, and Baz isn't it unfortunately. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 23 July, 2023 Share Posted 23 July, 2023 14 hours ago, Maggie May said: Putting it out there now - he’ll be in the Championship team of the season. He's off to Leeds? Sauce? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonaggro Posted 23 July, 2023 Share Posted 23 July, 2023 51 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said: He's off to Leeds? Sauce? That would be a superb result for Saints in two ways - Pareto optimal! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 23 July, 2023 Share Posted 23 July, 2023 1 hour ago, FarehamSaintJames said: Praying for a new number one come the start of the season. Realistically, we ain't doing nothing in the keeper department until someone takes McCarthy off our hands. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggie May Posted 23 July, 2023 Share Posted 23 July, 2023 1 hour ago, Weston Super Saint said: He's off to Leeds? Sauce? For us, silly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloucester Saint Posted 23 July, 2023 Share Posted 23 July, 2023 13 hours ago, The Cat said: Why would he be loaned to a League 2 club when he's already been League 1 keeper of the year? Confidence. He hadn’t been through a season at a dysfunctional club leaking like a colander (and that’s some statement about Saints given the state of Pompey over the last 15 years). He couldn’t go back there now to rebuild and I’m not sure one of the clubs aiming for the top 2 like Derby would risk him. Selles and Reading possibly but with their finances we’d be paying all the wages. Whereas Wrexham/Notts/Bradford/Salford might pay a little. Going to a L1 fighting the drop would be more damage to his confidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 23 July, 2023 Share Posted 23 July, 2023 Needs to learn to just stick a boot out when the shot is that close to him and low, seen a few like that he has conceded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 23 July, 2023 Share Posted 23 July, 2023 My gut feeling is he’ll be our first choice this year, show a definite improvement on last season and overall be quite decent. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galway saint Posted 23 July, 2023 Share Posted 23 July, 2023 1 hour ago, Lighthouse said: My gut feeling is he’ll be our first choice this year, show a definite improvement on last season and overall be quite decent. Well he was really shit last season and has made two howlers in the last two games so I don’t share your optimism 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Rooney Posted 23 July, 2023 Share Posted 23 July, 2023 5 hours ago, Convict Colony said: People focus too much on the 1 v 1 that led to the goal but conveniently forget about the 1 v 1 he saved a certain goal. Players need to stop these 1 v 1s, guess there was a loose ball in midfield and our CB's were caught out. This Has pulled off two fantastic saves pre season, one an absolute world class save… criticism comes to him very very quickly and praise is very rare. He’s still so young in particular for a keeper. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Rooney Posted 23 July, 2023 Share Posted 23 July, 2023 1 minute ago, Galway saint said: Well he was really shit last season and has made two howlers in the last two games so I don’t share your optimism Also made two fantastic saves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 23 July, 2023 Share Posted 23 July, 2023 Just now, Ed Rooney said: This Has pulled off two fantastic saves pre season, one an absolute world class save… criticism comes to him very very quickly and praise is very rare. He’s still so young in particular for a keeper. If you're costing your team a minimum of one goal a game then it really doesn't matter how many saves you make in between. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Rooney Posted 23 July, 2023 Share Posted 23 July, 2023 Young footballer in making a mistake shocker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Rooney Posted 23 July, 2023 Share Posted 23 July, 2023 Just now, Saint_clark said: If you're costing your team a minimum of one goal a game then it really doesn't matter how many saves you make in between. 😂😂😂😂 what a fuckin ridiculous statement, so he has cost saints on his own one goal a game has he. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 23 July, 2023 Share Posted 23 July, 2023 Just now, Ed Rooney said: 😂😂😂😂 what a fuckin ridiculous statement, so he has cost saints on his own one goal a game has he. So far this pre-season, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galway saint Posted 23 July, 2023 Share Posted 23 July, 2023 Yes but it’s a keepers job to make saves and statistically he doesn’t make enough of those to offset all the gaffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Rooney Posted 23 July, 2023 Share Posted 23 July, 2023 Just now, Galway saint said: Yes but it’s a keepers job to make saves and statistically he doesn’t make enough of those to offset all the gaffs And it’s a defenders job to defend and a midfielders job to create and a strikers job to score and statistically none of our outfield players do enough of that so just get rid of the lot of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Rooney Posted 23 July, 2023 Share Posted 23 July, 2023 1 minute ago, Saint_clark said: So far this pre-season, yes. What a load of tosh, so none of the goals were poor marking, poor tracking back, giving the ball away stupidly and being punished 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 23 July, 2023 Share Posted 23 July, 2023 5 minutes ago, Ed Rooney said: This Has pulled off two fantastic saves pre season, one an absolute world class save… criticism comes to him very very quickly and praise is very rare. He’s still so young in particular for a keeper. He constantly makes mistakes a schoolboy keeper would be annoyed about. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 23 July, 2023 Share Posted 23 July, 2023 5 minutes ago, Ed Rooney said: Also made two fantastic saves If you’re calling sticking your leg out a fantastic save you’re very easily pleased. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 23 July, 2023 Share Posted 23 July, 2023 6 minutes ago, Ed Rooney said: Young footballer in making a mistake every game shocker Corrected it for you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Matty 76 Posted 23 July, 2023 Share Posted 23 July, 2023 Just now, Ed Rooney said: What a load of tosh, so none of the goals were poor marking, poor tracking back, giving the ball away stupidly and being punished Things can be both. The defending was poor but if you want to stay up/get promoted your Goalkeeper cannot be making a howler a game which typically results in a goal. We all know it's the least forgiving position in the game. We need an experienced goalkeeper. He is not ready. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 23 July, 2023 Share Posted 23 July, 2023 Just now, Ed Rooney said: And it’s a defenders job to defend and a midfielders job to create and a strikers job to score and statistically none of our outfield players do enough of that so just get rid of the lot of them Just now, Ed Rooney said: What a load of tosh, so none of the goals were poor marking, poor tracking back, giving the ball away stupidly and being punished Listen, you're not wrong. But the point is that the one position in the team that should always be as dependable as possible is goalkeeper, because you can't afford to take risks. Everyone else in the team has someone else to fall back on - except the keeper. It's why going for youthful promise coupled with inexperience was suicidal when so many experienced heads were available, and in my opinion is the single greatest contributor to our relegation, to the extent that just changing that one signing I believe would have kept us up. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Rooney Posted 23 July, 2023 Share Posted 23 July, 2023 Just now, Wade Garrett said: If you’re calling sticking your leg out a fantastic save you’re very easily pleased. 😂😂😂😂 now I truly know you haven’t got a fuckin clue what your talking about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKsaint Posted 23 July, 2023 Share Posted 23 July, 2023 Bazunu is the main cause of our relegation. 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Rooney Posted 23 July, 2023 Share Posted 23 July, 2023 He is gonna be a top class keeper - no doubt would have been afforded much more patience if he came through the academy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Rooney Posted 23 July, 2023 Share Posted 23 July, 2023 1 minute ago, HKsaint said: Bazunu is the main cause of our relegation. Other than Che Adams ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 23 July, 2023 Share Posted 23 July, 2023 Just now, HKsaint said: Bazunu is the main cause of our relegation. I agree, feels like it's an unpopular thing to say because nobody likes to pin it on one person, team game etc etc but I honestly believe we'd have stayed up with Leno, Navas, Henderson etc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 23 July, 2023 Share Posted 23 July, 2023 1 minute ago, Ed Rooney said: He is gonna be a top class keeper - no doubt would have been afforded much more patience if he came through the academy. But he didn't, he was our first choice keeper signing costing more than Nick Pope did for Newcastle. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 23 July, 2023 Share Posted 23 July, 2023 2 minutes ago, HKsaint said: Bazunu is the main cause of our relegation. 1 minute ago, Saint_clark said: I agree, feels like it's an unpopular thing to say because nobody likes to pin it on one person, team game etc etc but I honestly believe we'd have stayed up with Leno, Navas, Henderson etc. Yeah, all those games where Moi, AA, Che and Onuachu were slamming in goals but we lost 4-3 because of Baz really cost us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 23 July, 2023 Share Posted 23 July, 2023 5 minutes ago, Ed Rooney said: 😂😂😂😂 now I truly know you haven’t got a fuckin clue what your talking about I’ve forgotten more about goalkeeping than you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Rooney Posted 23 July, 2023 Share Posted 23 July, 2023 Just now, Saint_clark said: But he didn't, he was our first choice keeper signing costing more than Nick Pope did for Newcastle. Nick Pope would never have chosen us over Newcastle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Rooney Posted 23 July, 2023 Share Posted 23 July, 2023 Just now, Wade Garrett said: I’ve forgotten more about goalkeeping than you know. 😂😂😂😂 yeah ok then, sorry but your just sticking out leg comment provided enough evidence. Ignore list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galway saint Posted 23 July, 2023 Share Posted 23 July, 2023 2 minutes ago, Ed Rooney said: He is gonna be a top class keeper - no doubt would have been afforded much more patience if he came through the academy. Perhaps he will and perhaps he won’t. None of us can say but hopefully we can all agree he’s currently not a top class keeper and was way off that level last season and in pre season. You can’t have a shit keeper and be successful so if we want to be promoted we need a new and experienced keeper 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 23 July, 2023 Share Posted 23 July, 2023 1 minute ago, Ed Rooney said: Nick Pope would never have chosen us over Newcastle Not the point at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Rooney Posted 23 July, 2023 Share Posted 23 July, 2023 Just now, Saint_clark said: Not the point at all. You made the comparison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 23 July, 2023 Author Share Posted 23 July, 2023 1 minute ago, Ed Rooney said: You made the comparison No he said he cost more than Bazunu which he did. Plenty of more experienced and better keepers we could have signed that weren't Bazunu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 23 July, 2023 Share Posted 23 July, 2023 1 minute ago, Ed Rooney said: 😂😂😂😂 yeah ok then, sorry but your just sticking out leg comment provided enough evidence. Ignore list Fucking gutted that somebody whose football experience is playing for a half-decent tyro side has put me on ignore. Devastated, won’t be able to sleep tonight. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 23 July, 2023 Share Posted 23 July, 2023 5 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: Yeah, all those games where Moi, AA, Che and Onuachu were slamming in goals but we lost 4-3 because of Baz really cost us. I reckon he easily cost us 10 points last season with the mistakes he made. We finished 11 points behind. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Rooney Posted 23 July, 2023 Share Posted 23 July, 2023 5 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said: Fucking gutted that somebody whose football experience is playing for a half-decent tyro side has put me on ignore. Devastated, won’t be able to sleep tonight. 😂😂😂😂😂😂 again no clue have you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Rooney Posted 23 July, 2023 Share Posted 23 July, 2023 5 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said: Fucking gutted that somebody whose football experience is playing for a half-decent tyro side has put me on ignore. Devastated, won’t be able to sleep tonight. The fact you’ve referred to the tyro league when talking about football quality made me spit my coffee out. Well done 👏 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Rooney Posted 23 July, 2023 Share Posted 23 July, 2023 6 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: No he said he cost more than Bazunu which he did. Plenty of more experienced and better keepers we could have signed that weren't Bazunu. Who cost more than Bazunu ? Who could we have signed ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 23 July, 2023 Share Posted 23 July, 2023 Just now, Ed Rooney said: The fact you’ve referred to the tyro league when talking about football quality made me spit my coffee out. Well done 👏 Talking about your football quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Rooney Posted 23 July, 2023 Share Posted 23 July, 2023 Just now, Wade Garrett said: Talking about your football quality. Played a higher standard than I expect you could dream of… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 23 July, 2023 Share Posted 23 July, 2023 He’s been fucking pony since he got here. I’m amazed there’s people sticking up for him. He’s an international keeper not some young kid out of the youth game, he lets too many in that he should save, it’s as simple as that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 23 July, 2023 Share Posted 23 July, 2023 Just now, Ed Rooney said: Played a higher standard than I expect you could dream of… Laughable. I know who you are! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 23 July, 2023 Share Posted 23 July, 2023 Just now, Ed Rooney said: Played a higher standard than I expect you could dream of… My dads harder than your dad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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