Gavin Bazunu

[hypochondriac]

1 minute ago, sledger said:

a confident keeper will run and give confidence to his defenders,sadly a nervy back line will be nervous wrecks with bazuno behind them.Ive said this before and its plainly obvious that his positioning is often wrong and physically he is just to small and this will be shown up big time in this league

Absolutely. That's just obvious that a keepers job is not solely what he does between the sticks, but how he leads and commands the defensive unit as well and the confidence he instills in his defenders. It's like a striker who always misses so eventually the rest of the team stop passing to him so he effects the rest of the team as well. 

[Weston Super Saint]

9 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Please provide the evidence of one poster laying our relegation at the feet of the goalkeeper? That sounds more like extremist rubbish than anyone else has posted on this thread. Literally no one has said that. 

There's this guy....

2 hours ago, HKsaint said:

Bazunu is the main cause of our relegation. 

 

 

[hypochondriac]

1 minute ago, Weston Super Saint said:

There's this guy....

 

 

That's not saying he's the single cause of our relegation at all. He's saying that in his opinion he was the main cause. It's unarguable that he was A cause. I don't necessarily agree that he was the main cause but it's not an outlandish opinion to hold. It's definitely not laying it at his feet as the only cause, that would clearly be ridiculous and no one has done that. 

[Golac's Cunning Stunts]

Been on the sherry this afternoon Grandad?

[hypochondriac]

1 hour ago, hypochondriac said:

Take your pick. To choose two at random, last year I'd have preferred Neto and Navas to Bazunu in goal. 

Hi @Ed Rooney. It seems you're still on this thread considering you're reacting to everything. It seems a little discourteous to ask for a response and then to ignore it when one is provided. You can forgive anyone reading this not to assume that the reason for your sudden disappearance is because @Wade Garrettis actually aware of who you are and so is fully justified at laughing at you attempting to claim some sort of authority because you had an amateur football career. 

[Ed Rooney]

2 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Hi @Ed Rooney. It seems you're still on this thread considering you're reacting to everything. It seems a little discourteous to ask for a response and then to ignore it when one is provided. You can forgive anyone reading this not to assume that the reason for your sudden disappearance is because @Wade Garrettis actually aware of who you are and so is fully justified at laughing at you attempting to claim some sort of authority because you had an amateur football career. 

Your clearly after a reaction of some sort, not entirely sure what it has to do with you and why you feel the need to speak for anyone on this thread or feel that you are that entitled to speak for anyone on this thread. The fact you have mentioned this again @ both people in your message clearly hoping to ignite something…have a drink… relax… don’t be bothered by things that have no concern to you. Please let me know how many years you were on the books at Saints 

[hypochondriac]

4 minutes ago, Ed Rooney said:

Your clearly after a reaction of some sort, not entirely sure what it has to do with you and why you feel the need to speak for anyone on this thread or feel that you are that entitled to speak for anyone on this thread. The fact you have mentioned this again @ both people in your message clearly hoping to ignite something…have a drink… relax… don’t be bothered by things that have no concern to you. Please let me know how many years you were on the books at Saints 

So he DID know who you were! Maybe a lesson for you there to post with a bit less confidence that you're correct about everything. 

Moving back on topic, why did you request a list of goalkeepers that would have been better to sign than Bazunu last year and then fail to follow up when a list was provided? 

[Saint_clark]

Not really comfortable with the discussions of peoples private lives and personal identities I have to admit. Sure there isn't anything nefarious in it, just don't think it's necessary. 

Pretty sure this forum (or one of its iterations) had a "play the ball, not the man" mantra in terms of responding to posts before, which I think is worth trying to stick to. 

[Ed Rooney]

1 minute ago, hypochondriac said:

So he DID know who you were! Maybe a lesson for you there to post with a bit less confidence that you're correct about everything. 

Moving back on topic, why did you request a list of goalkeepers that would have been better to sign than Bazunu last year and then fail to follow up when a list was provided? 

He knows as much about me as I do about him. 

😂😂😂 you giving a lecture about posting… thanks 

Back on topic I asked a question about keepers that Saints could have signed and tbf a lot of posters came back with decent suggestions, whether I reply to them or not shouldn’t concern you.

[Convict Colony]

Guys I've been following this thread with interest as it may surprise you i have played a high level of football myself as a goalkeeper, I wont say my name but the only clue i will give you is i live in munich and i hurt my leg skiing last year.

I believe Bazunu will be mustard for the saints in the championship and if anyone knows him tell him to DM Manuel.

 

 

[Weston Super Saint]

33 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

That's not saying he's the single cause of our relegation at all. He's saying that in his opinion he was the main cause. It's unarguable that he was A cause. I don't necessarily agree that he was the main cause but it's not an outlandish opinion to hold. It's definitely not laying it at his feet as the only cause, that would clearly be ridiculous and no one has done that. 

To be fair he cited it as the "main" reason - thus laying the majority of the blame at Baz's door.

For what it's worth, I disagree. Baz was "a" reason for sure, but in a turgid team that failed to perform all season, his failures were as unremarkable as the rest of the team's.

Edited 23 July, 2023 by Weston Super Saint

[Weston Super Saint]

Just now, Convict Colony said:

Guys I've been following this thread with interest as it may surprise you i have played a high level of football myself as a goalkeeper, I wont say my name but the only clue i will give you is i live in munich and i hurt my leg skiing last year.

I believe Bazunu will be mustard for the saints in the championship and if anyone knows him tell him to DM Manuel.

 

 

Hi Peter Shilton 😉

[Convict Colony]

Guys we are going to need a lawyer to sort this thread out, got just the man

 

[coalman]

Just now, Convict Colony said:

Guys we are going to need a lawyer to sort this thread out, got just the man

 

It's fine. The thread will die when people stop replying to each other.

[hypochondriac]

Just now, Weston Super Saint said:

To be fair he cited it as the "main" reason - this laying the majority of the blame at Baz's door.

For what it's worth, I disagree. Baz was "a" reason for sure, but in a turgid team that failed to perform all season, his failures were as unremarkable as the rest of the team's.

I also disagree that he was the main reason but I could see how someone could come to that conclusion and it's not a ridiculous opinion to hold. Thinking he is the main reason for relegation is also not laying it at his feet because no one thinks he was solely to blame, that would be mental. 

[hypochondriac]

4 minutes ago, Ed Rooney said:

He knows as much about me as I do about him. 

😂😂😂 you giving a lecture about posting… thanks 

Back on topic I asked a question about keepers that Saints could have signed and tbf a lot of posters came back with decent suggestions, whether I reply to them or not shouldn’t concern you.

Good. Sounds like you accept we could have signed other decent options last year. Signing Bazunu as first choice last year was clearly a mistake and contributed to our relegation. 

[Weston Super Saint]

1 minute ago, hypochondriac said:

I also disagree that he was the main reason but I could see how someone could come to that conclusion and it's not a ridiculous opinion to hold. Thinking he is the main reason for relegation is also not laying it at his feet because no one thinks he was solely to blame, that would be mental. 

Meh, semantics... Your original statement was :

Please provide the evidence of one poster laying our relegation at the feet of the goalkeeper?

I offered one up. If you wanted one that was "solely" blaming Baz, I wouldn't have been able to help....

[hypochondriac]

7 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

Not really comfortable with the discussions of peoples private lives and personal identities I have to admit. Sure there isn't anything nefarious in it, just don't think it's necessary. 

Pretty sure this forum (or one of its iterations) had a "play the ball, not the man" mantra in terms of responding to posts before, which I think is worth trying to stick to. 

I agree except that the poster in question was the one who brought it up to try to silence the opinion of someone else. 

[hypochondriac]

1 minute ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Meh, semantics... Your original statement was :

Please provide the evidence of one poster laying our relegation at the feet of the goalkeeper?

I offered one up. If you wanted one that was "solely" blaming Baz, I wouldn't have been able to help....

Well my definition of laying it at someone's feet is different to yours. 

[Saint_clark]

Just now, hypochondriac said:

I agree except that the poster in question was the one who brought it up to try to silence the opinion of someone else. 

Yeah, I guess that's fair. 

[Ed Rooney]

2 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I agree except that the poster in question was the one who brought it up to try to silence the opinion of someone else. 

Incorrect if you look back at the posts 

[hypochondriac]

12 minutes ago, Ed Rooney said:

Incorrect if you look back at the posts 

Yeah fair enough I misread it. Apologies. 

[Wade Garrett]

2 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

Looks like you could be onto something given that @Ed Rooneyseems to have scarpered. 

Don’t be too hard on him.  He likes his Sunday lunchtime pint and has obviously had one too many 😂

[Saint Garrett]

So basically:

Bazunu wasn’t single handedly my responsible for our relegation, but statistically he was the worst keeper in Europe last season and a key reason why we didn’t give ourselves a chance of staying up. Having watched him all season, it’s incredibly difficult to disagree with those stats. 

Macca is also nowhere near good enough at this level too. 

Ultimately, we have no idea if Bazunu will be good enough this season, but multiple errors during pre season aren’t a good way to kick off the season. 

I was hoping a clean slate and some strong performances in pre season under the new management this summer will help him get some confidence, but that hasn’t yet. I have high hopes for him, but I am concerned that him giving away soft goals will cost us promotion. 

Edited 26 July, 2023 by Saint Garrett

[Ed Rooney]

7 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

Don’t be too hard on him.  He likes his Sunday lunchtime pint and has obviously had one too many 😂

Here he is, bless him…… still making great saves in World Cup doubles 

[Turkish]

2 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said:

I had a season ticket. I saw very, very few games where he cost us any points.

It really isn’t complicated.

But were you entertained?

[Wade Garrett]

16 minutes ago, Ed Rooney said:

Here he is, bless him…… still making great saves in World Cup doubles 

You come across as a bit condescending on here. Strange.

[hypochondriac]

32 minutes ago, Saint Garrett said:

So basically:

Bazunu wasn’t single handedly my responsible for our relegation, but statistically he was the worst keeper in Europe last season and a key reason why we didn’t give ourselves a chance of staying up. Having watched him all season, it’s incredibly to disagree with those stats. 

Macca is also nowhere near good enough at this level too. 

Ultimately, we have no idea if Bazunu will be good enough this season, but multiple errors during pre season aren’t a good way to kick off the season. 

I was hoping a clean slate and some strong performances in pre season under the new management this summer will help him get some confidence, but that hasn’t yet. I have high hopes for him, but I am concerned that him giving away soft goals will cost us promotion. 

This. 99% of supporters will agree with this. 

[notnowcato]

4 hours ago, Saint_clark said:

If you're costing your team a minimum of one goal a game then it really doesn't matter how many saves you make in between. 

Actually it does

[notnowcato]

I think he’ll be good enough this season. 

[Convict Colony]

1 hour ago, Saint Garrett said:

So basically:

Bazunu wasn’t single handedly my responsible for our relegation, but statistically he was the worst keeper in Europe last season and a key reason why we didn’t give ourselves a chance of staying up. Having watched him all season, it’s incredibly to disagree with those stats. 

Macca is also nowhere near good enough at this level too. 

Ultimately, we have no idea if Bazunu will be good enough this season, but multiple errors during pre season aren’t a good way to kick off the season. 

I was hoping a clean slate and some strong performances in pre season under the new management this summer will help him get some confidence, but that hasn’t yet. I have high hopes for him, but I am concerned that him giving away soft goals will cost us promotion. 

Let's remember Forster was amongst the best keepers in Europe at 1 stage based on stats which we all know is incorrect, it had more to do with Fonte, Toby, Vic and Morgan in front of him.

[Saint Gifford]

 I know our academy isn’t quite what it was supposedly. 
 

But I would be interested to know who we have coming through at u18, 21, 23’s. 
 

Not saying that’s the answer, but hardly worth the hassle of bothering if we don’t take a look. 
 

 

[Convict Colony]

Someone clever than me needs to let me know how many shots we faced v took/scored last season as I'm trying to see something.

Best way to protect a goalie is reduce shots and unfortunately our defense let more shots on target than at a bukkake party.

[derry]

I'll give you some names that caused our relegation and Bazunu isn't one of them. Rasmus Ankersen who should have changed the manager at the end of May 2022. Didn't buy a proven striker. Apart from Alcaraz had a mare in the January transfer window. Worst of all he brought in Nathan Jones to replace Ralph then compounded the whole thing by making Selles manager with 14 games left. Che Adams who missed enough vital one on ones to nearly keep us up. KWP who forgot he was a defender, Perraud likewise. Elyounoussie who meant we were virtually playing ten from the start. 

Personally I think the managers got us relegated. We had virtually no shape or discipline. We had enough good players to win matches but we never saw a balanced team selected that was made up of the best players, not the yes men and managers favourites. That's why we were relegated.. 

[hypochondriac]

2 minutes ago, derry said:

I'll give you some names that caused our relegation and Bazunu isn't one of them. Rasmus Ankersen who should have changed the manager at the end of May 2022. Didn't buy a proven striker. Apart from Alcaraz had a mare in the January transfer window. Worst of all he brought in Nathan Jones to replace Ralph then compounded the whole thing by making Selles manager with 14 games left. Che Adams who missed enough vital one on ones to nearly keep us up. KWP who forgot he was a defender, Perraud likewise. Elyounoussie who meant we were virtually playing ten from the start. 

Personally I think the managers got us relegated. We had virtually no shape or discipline. We had enough good players to win matches but we never saw a balanced team selected that was made up of the best players, not the yes men and managers favourites. That's why we were relegated.. 

All of that contributed. So did Bazunu. 

[notnowcato]

9 minutes ago, Saint Gifford said:

 I know our academy isn’t quite what it was supposedly. 
 

But I would be interested to know who we have coming through at u18, 21, 23’s. 
 

Not saying that’s the answer, but hardly worth the hassle of bothering if we don’t take a look. 
 

 

I’m struggling to think of a keeper that has come through the academy into the first team

[SambaMaverick]

16 minutes ago, Convict Colony said:

Someone clever than me needs to let me know how many shots we faced v took/scored last season as I'm trying to see something.

Best way to protect a goalie is reduce shots and unfortunately our defense let more shots on target than at a bukkake party.

We faced 150 shots on target last season (the sixth-fewest, only slightly worse than Man United), 81 saved, 73 goals conceded (a save rate of 52.7%, the worst in the league)

We had 132 shots on target, scored 36 goals. We had the fourth-worst shot/goal rate (0.08 shots/goal).

[Golac's Cunning Stunts]

39 minutes ago, notnowcato said:

I think he’ll be good enough this season. 

Why? No evidence of it so far for sure

[The Kraken]

18 minutes ago, notnowcato said:

I’m struggling to think of a keeper that has come through the academy into the first team

Keith Granger

[The Cat]

19 minutes ago, notnowcato said:

I’m struggling to think of a keeper that has come through the academy into the first team

It's very rare at Premier League level that a keeper comes through that way.

You have to go back quite a while to Scott Bevan and then Michael Pope for any of ours I think.

[Pengi]

Maybe it's the goalkeeping coaches that need replacing? we've not had an outstanding keeper for a long time

[Saint Matty 76]

51 minutes ago, Convict Colony said:

Someone clever than me needs to let me know how many shots we faced v took/scored last season as I'm trying to see something.

Best way to protect a goalie is reduce shots and unfortunately our defense let more shots on target than at a bukkake party.

It's been provided above. I was going to mention it earlier but thought a few people would've lost their mind at the face of some statistics.

The only argument in favour of Bazunu is that we "gave up so many chances". We were the 6th best team in the league in terms of shots on target faced. We came 20th. 

I quite simply cannot believe that there is anyone in his corner. 

[notnowcato]

31 minutes ago, Golac's Cunning Stunts said:

Why? No evidence of it so far for sure

Gut feel

[gammon cheeks]

If Bazunu was  any good there would be a host of clubs after him! 

[hypochondriac]

14 minutes ago, Pengi said:

Maybe it's the goalkeeping coaches that need replacing? we've not had an outstanding keeper for a long time

Our last truly outstanding keeper was Niemi. 

[Turkish]

14 minutes ago, Pengi said:

Maybe it's the goalkeeping coaches that need replacing? we've not had an outstanding keeper for a long time

We replaced Dave Watson with Andrew Sparkes and now he’s been replaced with Russell Martins guy, Bazunu is still shit

[Galway saint]

13 minutes ago, Saint Matty 76 said:

It's been provided above. I was going to mention it earlier but thought a few people would've lost their mind at the face of some statistics.

The only argument in favour of Bazunu is that we "gave up so many chances". We were the 6th best team in the league in terms of shots on target faced. We came 20th. 

I quite simply cannot believe that there is anyone in his corner. 

It amazes me that there is. We all want saints to win and go up this season and it’s going to be a lot harder to do so whilst he’s in goal. You don’t need to be Alex Ferguson to identify that is a necessary change to make from last season. It’s obvious and the two howlers only confirm that 

[Dirkdiggler]

2 hours ago, Saint Gifford said:

 I know our academy isn’t quite what it was supposedly. 
 

But I would be interested to know who we have coming through at u18, 21, 23’s. 
 

Not saying that’s the answer, but hardly worth the hassle of bothering if we don’t take a look. 
 

 

That’s because they guy running it wasn’t interested is coaching lads to become good he wanted off the shelf team ready keepers.

A major short sightedness IMO the club should invest in coaching unpolished gems. There’s plenty out there who could come good given the opportunity and coaching. 

[The Kraken]

2 hours ago, Turkish said:

We replaced Dave Watson with Andrew Sparkes and now he’s been replaced with Russell Martins guy, Bazunu is still shit

You can’t polish a turd.

[Dark Munster]

3 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

All of that contributed. So did Bazunu. 

Yep. The following shit sandwich got us relegated.