petermcpete Posted 5 September, 2023 Share Posted 5 September, 2023 9 minutes ago, saintant said: I think the fact that we paid 12 million for Baz rising to a potential 15 million has a lot to do with why he continues to be our number one. I'd be inclined to give Lumley a chance - he doesn't fill me with confidence but nor do any of our keepers. Don't think he could do much worse. You say that but we've bought a lot of shite in the £10m-£15m range that we've dropped pretty rapidly - Gunn, Hoedt, Boufal, Djenepo, Carillo, Onauchu come to mind. Most of whom had a few games here and there but certainly weren't automatic picks and spent the majority of the time on the bench. The whole situation is very odd. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 5 September, 2023 Share Posted 5 September, 2023 If I'd have been the keeper behind that walkabout back four I'd have probably laid all four out, plus at least a couple of our midfielders for just standing and watching. The back four is terrible. Both full backs are 7 & 11 that never get back in time. Bednerek is a dummy that is always looking for excuses. Holgate needs to be cut a little slack playing without acclimatisation. Smallbone, Downes and S Armstrong were self indulgent and only interested in their passing and attacking bits. Where was the get stuck in and covering that was required. We need to get ruthless all over the pitch, we are a team of pussies at the moment. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 5 September, 2023 Share Posted 5 September, 2023 43 minutes ago, saintant said: I think the fact that we paid 12 million for Baz rising to a potential 15 million has a lot to do with why he continues to be our number one. I'd be inclined to give Lumley a chance - he doesn't fill me with confidence but nor do any of our keepers. Don't think he could do much worse. He continues to be our number one because he is comfortably our best keeper and not the main reason we are conceding so many goals. As for not getting much worse, people said exactly the same about replacing Ralph with Jones. We also said the same about playing McC at the end of last season and he was worse, much worse. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 5 September, 2023 Share Posted 5 September, 2023 15 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: He continues to be our number one because he is comfortably our best keeper and not the main reason we are conceding so many goals. As for not getting much worse, people said exactly the same about replacing Ralph with Jones. We also said the same about playing McC at the end of last season and he was worse, much worse. He wasn’t “much worse”, thats pretty much impossible. I keep reading this pony over & over again, as if the back ups being as shite is a defence of him. Nobody will be saying “give Janny B a break because Holgates even worse”will they? No, they’ll be saying he’s fucking pony. You mention Jones and one thing that’s 100% certain is, had Jones brought Baz with him from Luton, you and everyone sticking up for him would have been agreeing how fucking useless he’s been since. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 5 September, 2023 Share Posted 5 September, 2023 If we'd signed him this summer I don't think anyone would be questioning him (yet). But he was pretty awful last season, and he hasn't suddenly got miles better. Watching the goals we've conceded this season so far, a lot of them seem to be a bigger tactical problem with the fullbacks tucking inside, and the wide players not covering fullbacks. The midfield is also not thinking about defending, apart from Charles. Downes was shocking against Sunderland. I don't think anyone would argue with the fact that we needed to get rid of Macca and replace him with someone who can give Baz competition at a minimum, but we seem to have gone and brought in a donkey of a keeper in Lumley, and we know Macca is not the answer, certainly with this way of playing. My hope is that once we sort out a settled side and sorted the tactical element his performances should improve. He made some decent saves at the weekend. We also need to think about how we defend and personnel. We have this obsession with trying to be the lower league Man City, but we need to learn how to defend like them, i.e. breaking up the play at the other end of the pitch, and note they have Walker who bails them out because of his pace. We have no-one that can do that which is a concern. Ultimately, I don't think he's had a great start to the season by any means, but IMO the issues are far bigger than having a shit keeper, and not sure a different keeper makes much of a difference if we carry on defending like we do. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 5 September, 2023 Share Posted 5 September, 2023 41 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said: He wasn’t “much worse”, thats pretty much impossible. I keep reading this pony over & over again, as if the back ups being as shite is a defence of him. Nobody will be saying “give Janny B a break because Holgates even worse”will they? No, they’ll be saying he’s fucking pony. You mention Jones and one thing that’s 100% certain is, had Jones brought Baz with him from Luton, you and everyone sticking up for him would have been agreeing how fucking useless he’s been since. That's all irrelevant. It wouldn't have mattered who you stuck in goal on Saturday the result would have been very similar. Fix the structure before you start worrying about the cracks. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 5 September, 2023 Share Posted 5 September, 2023 (edited) Deleted as I should of known 2 northerners would not be able to use the correct English to describe a tweet. Edited 5 September, 2023 by Convict Colony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 5 September, 2023 Share Posted 5 September, 2023 1 hour ago, Whitey Grandad said: That's all irrelevant. It wouldn't have mattered who you stuck in goal on Saturday the result would have been very similar. Don’t be daft. A decent keeper saves the 3rd & the 5th. That 3rd goal just before half-time killed us stone dead. It changed the course of the second half. Minutes before half time, the talk was all about how important it was for Sunderland to go in with a 2 goal advantage, that they had struggled to hold onto leads & 2-0 is a nervous score line. All of a sudden Baz Ball made it irrelevant & pretty much killed the game. It’s beyond belief that anybody rates this bloke. He clearly wasn’t good enough last year, and doesn’t look anything other than bang average this. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sledger Posted 5 September, 2023 Share Posted 5 September, 2023 6 hours ago, Bakovnetski said: True indeed. But he does have a Premier League winners medal. Must have been some good performances there over 38 games. yes so good they flogged him,kerching,another average mug sold.Man city must be laughing there heads off,use us to see if there any good,good money if there cra+ and a buy back should they want them back,good business for them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 5 September, 2023 Share Posted 5 September, 2023 A top level keeper could have saved goals 3 and 5 at Sunderland but they weren’t exactly howlers which trickled between his legs. I would have reasonably expected him to save one of those two, so I guess you could say he held us back from the awe-inspiring 4-0 defeat we were capable of. Or you could say he robbed us of a 3-0 defeat, if you weirdly expect him to make no mistakes whilst those in front of him are dreadful. The defence was awful, the attackers didn’t trouble their goal and yet it seems to be Baz getting all the flack. It’s just weird, compared to someone like Alcaraz who’s been crap this season, as he was for many games last season, but gets off Scot-free and is hailed as being a class above. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 5 September, 2023 Share Posted 5 September, 2023 1 hour ago, Lord Duckhunter said: Don’t be daft. A decent keeper saves the 3rd & the 5th. That 3rd goal just before half-time killed us stone dead. It changed the course of the second half. Minutes before half time, the talk was all about how important it was for Sunderland to go in with a 2 goal advantage, that they had struggled to hold onto leads & 2-0 is a nervous score line. All of a sudden Baz Ball made it irrelevant & pretty much killed the game. It’s beyond belief that anybody rates this bloke. He clearly wasn’t good enough last year, and doesn’t look anything other than bang average this. Nope. You have unrealistic expectations. We all know that you don't like him but he wasn't responsible for that scoreline. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 5 September, 2023 Share Posted 5 September, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said: Nope. You have unrealistic expectations. We all know that you don't like him but he wasn't responsible for that scoreline. Unrealistic? If expecting the keeper to make important saves at important moments during a game is unrealistic, then I must be. Nobody has said he was responsible for the scoreline that’s just a straw man (or straw hands) argument. What people are saying is he’s not good enough and unless he shows significant improvement he will cost us points & he won’t win us any. Saturday was proof of what some of us have been saying for months. He’s fucking pony, he lets too many goals in & doesn’t make anything other than routine saves. Whether we’re stuck with him or not, that is the case. There really isn’t a debate about his capabilities, he’s bang average at best. I think we could and should do better. Edited 5 September, 2023 by Lord Duckhunter 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 5 September, 2023 Share Posted 5 September, 2023 18 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said: Unrealistic? If expecting the keeper to make important saves at important moments during a game is unrealistic, then I must be. Nobody has said he was responsible for the scoreline that’s just a straw man (or straw hands) argument. What people are saying is he’s not good enough and unless he shows significant improvement he will cost us points & he won’t win us any. Saturday was proof of what some of us have been saying for months. He’s fucking pony, he lets too many goals in & doesn’t make anything other than routine saves. Whether we’re stuck with him or not, that is the case. There really isn’t a debate about his capabilities, he’s bang average at best. I think we could and should do better. But not based on Saturday. Nor the previous games. Far more important to sort out the midfield and defence. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 5 September, 2023 Share Posted 5 September, 2023 1 hour ago, Whitey Grandad said: But not based on Saturday. Nor the previous games. Far more important to sort out the midfield and defence. I don’t think doing one precludes doing the other. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 5 September, 2023 Share Posted 5 September, 2023 We will still concede from regulation shots even if we became Tony Pulis miserly. Whilst he’s not been at fault for much so far this season (our chaotic lack of organisation is the main culprit) he’s definitely not got this imagined ceiling everyone keeps talking about. He’s just bad. That’s it. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 5 September, 2023 Share Posted 5 September, 2023 5 hours ago, Convict Colony said: Deleted as I should of known 2 northerners would not be able to use the correct English to describe a tweet. *Should have 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galway saint Posted 5 September, 2023 Share Posted 5 September, 2023 5 hours ago, Lighthouse said: A top level keeper could have saved goals 3 and 5 at Sunderland but they weren’t exactly howlers which trickled between his legs. I would have reasonably expected him to save one of those two, so I guess you could say he held us back from the awe-inspiring 4-0 defeat we were capable of. Or you could say he robbed us of a 3-0 defeat, if you weirdly expect him to make no mistakes whilst those in front of him are dreadful. The defence was awful, the attackers didn’t trouble their goal and yet it seems to be Baz getting all the flack. It’s just weird, compared to someone like Alcaraz who’s been crap this season, as he was for many games last season, but gets off Scot-free and is hailed as being a class above. The thing about Bazanu is he doesn’t make many absolute howlers. It’s more that you’re left with the impression that he often should have done better and sometimes a lot better. Goals 3 and 5 on Saturday are what I would say are classic examples. Even the first goal you question should he have come and cleared out the ball. Away at Leeds and West Ham last year are another two good examples. I agree on alcaraz who to my mind flatters to deceive and his Argentine heritage buys him some slack. I’d rather have Armstrong in that 8 role on current form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakovnetski Posted 5 September, 2023 Share Posted 5 September, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, sledger said: yes so good they flogged him,kerching,another average mug sold.Man city must be laughing there heads off,use us to see if there any good,good money if there cra+ and a buy back should they want them back,good business for them And sorry I don’t get your point. I’m not a fan of Bazunu . Anything we can do to get a better GK atm. Edited 5 September, 2023 by Bakovnetski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Block41 Saint Posted 6 September, 2023 Share Posted 6 September, 2023 He got very lucky on Saturday when he parried a weak free kick straight to a Sunderland player, the Sunderland player missed the ball on the follow up. This has been a common trait during his time here, he rarely pushes the ball away from danger when he makes a save. Got away with one vs Norwich too for their debatable offside goal in the second half. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 6 September, 2023 Share Posted 6 September, 2023 9 minutes ago, Block41 Saint said: He got very lucky on Saturday when he parried a weak free kick straight to a Sunderland player, the Sunderland player missed the ball on the follow up. This has been a common trait during his time here, he rarely pushes the ball away from danger when he makes a save. Got away with one vs Norwich too for their debatable offside goal in the second half. Yep. At least once in the first half, I think maybe a couple of times, where the co-commentator specifically mentioned poor goalkeeping from Bazunu and how he failed to push the ball away as adequately he could have done. It’s unfortunately a bit of a recurring theme. The sad thing is that, when he did actually parry one away very well, it got returned in for Holgate to have an absolute swing and miss at it which led to a goal, so you’ve got to feel for him a bit with that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sydney_saint Posted 6 September, 2023 Share Posted 6 September, 2023 17 hours ago, Lighthouse said: A top level keeper could have saved goals 3 and 5 at Sunderland but they weren’t exactly howlers which trickled between his legs. I would have reasonably expected him to save one of those two, so I guess you could say he held us back from the awe-inspiring 4-0 defeat we were capable of. Or you could say he robbed us of a 3-0 defeat, if you weirdly expect him to make no mistakes whilst those in front of him are dreadful. The defence was awful, the attackers didn’t trouble their goal and yet it seems to be Baz getting all the flack. It’s just weird, compared to someone like Alcaraz who’s been crap this season, as he was for many games last season, but gets off Scot-free and is hailed as being a class above. A few major differences between Baz and Alcaraz. Alcaraz has moved to the other side of the world, has lived in this country for less than 12 months, with a completely different style and language. Baz has spent his entire career in UK and Ireland. Alzaraz also cost less comparative to the going rate in his position. And whilst he's had some poor games, he's probably churned out more 7/10 or higher matches than Baz despite less appearances. So not really weird, the fans want something to cling onto which Alcaraz has done with a handful of excellent appearances even if he has been poor this season. Baz has given very little to cling on. He doesn't seem to be any better than 12 months, and remains statistically one of the worst keepers going around. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BotleySaint Posted 6 September, 2023 Share Posted 6 September, 2023 I'd feel a lot better if we had an experience goalkeeper who could step in if this continues. It's not just over critical fans noticing these errors, there are articles in the press. But I guess that's what we've got Lumley for? He's been a Championship regular in recent years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Timmier Posted 6 September, 2023 Share Posted 6 September, 2023 33 minutes ago, BotleySaint said: I'd feel a lot better if we had an experience goalkeeper who could step in if this continues. It's not just over critical fans noticing these errors, there are articles in the press. We have two experienced back up goalkeepers. I don’t think it’s experience we’re lacking in our back up goalkeepers, it’s talent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 6 September, 2023 Share Posted 6 September, 2023 Once again, it’s not the keepers that are the problem. It’s the poor and disorganised rabble in front of them. Sort that out first, then the keepers after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barsiem Posted 6 September, 2023 Share Posted 6 September, 2023 2 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said: Once again, it’s not the keepers that are the problem. It’s the poor and disorganised rabble in front of them. Sort that out first, then the keepers after. It's clearly not one or the other. Part of a keepers job is to help keep his defence organised. The whole defensive unit needs to improve, keeper and all 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 6 September, 2023 Share Posted 6 September, 2023 10 minutes ago, Barsiem said: It's clearly not one or the other. Part of a keepers job is to help keep his defence organised. The whole defensive unit needs to improve, keeper and all There’s only a limited amount that a keeper can do in that respect. He might be able to prompt the odd player or two but when there are six or seven who aren’t concentrating and are out of position he will end up not doing his own job properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sydney_saint Posted 6 September, 2023 Share Posted 6 September, 2023 36 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said: There’s only a limited amount that a keeper can do in that respect. He might be able to prompt the odd player or two but when there are six or seven who aren’t concentrating and are out of position he will end up not doing his own job properly. I think you are severely understating the role a keeper plays in this. Why are nearly all top flight goalkeepers 28 or older, with many well above 35? Sure, they may have a bit less wear and tear than outfield players, but a 40 year old keeper isn't gonna be any more athletic or springy than a 21 year old, or with as sharp reflexes, so they must have a lot more influence than just shot stopping. A big part on why keepers are older is how they organise what is in front of them. It's not the only factor, but it is still a significant one. Then you add in how many goals we let in from set pieces. Yes- training plays a role here. But keepers are taking charge of these situations. Baz is simply not. We have defenders that have played in tighter defences than this. Baz has played behind Bednarek, Salisu, KWP, and DCC. All defenders that have proven they can play with much better organisation. Coaching plays a huge role, but regardless of who is in charge and their approach, our organisation has remained calamitous since Baz was called up. It's not totally his fault and the primary responsibility is still on the coaching and the defenders. But let's not say that if we had a better more experienced keeper that things could not be alot better. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 6 September, 2023 Share Posted 6 September, 2023 11 minutes ago, sydney_saint said: I think you are severely understating the role a keeper plays in this. Why are nearly all top flight goalkeepers 28 or older, with many well above 35? Sure, they may have a bit less wear and tear than outfield players, but a 40 year old keeper isn't gonna be any more athletic or springy than a 21 year old, or with as sharp reflexes, so they must have a lot more influence than just shot stopping. A big part on why keepers are older is how they organise what is in front of them. It's not the only factor, but it is still a significant one. Then you add in how many goals we let in from set pieces. Yes- training plays a role here. But keepers are taking charge of these situations. Baz is simply not. We have defenders that have played in tighter defences than this. Baz has played behind Bednarek, Salisu, KWP, and DCC. All defenders that have proven they can play with much better organisation. Coaching plays a huge role, but regardless of who is in charge and their approach, our organisation has remained calamitous since Baz was called up. It's not totally his fault and the primary responsibility is still on the coaching and the defenders. But let's not say that if we had a better more experienced keeper that things could not be alot better. And I think you are overstating the importance of the goalkeeper in organising the defence. Our organisation has been woeful no matter who is in goal and if anything McCarthy was worse. The defence and midfield should be cohesive and organised no matter who is behind them. True, a more experienced goalkeeper can help but only a little. You may not like Bazunu and I don't particularly care either way but to start blaming him for all our defensive mess is stretching your case too far. I repeat. last Saturday it would not have made any difference to the thrashing whoever we had in goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benali-shorts Posted 6 September, 2023 Share Posted 6 September, 2023 1 hour ago, Whitey Grandad said: And I think you are overstating the importance of the goalkeeper in organising the defence. Our organisation has been woeful no matter who is in goal and if anything McCarthy was worse. The defence and midfield should be cohesive and organised no matter who is behind them. True, a more experienced goalkeeper can help but only a little. You may not like Bazunu and I don't particularly care either way but to start blaming him for all our defensive mess is stretching your case too far. I repeat. last Saturday it would not have made any difference to the thrashing whoever we had in goal. I think this highlights one of the major flaws of both Bazunu and McCarthy - they're both silent keepers and seem quite diffident personalities. I'm sure our defensive organisation would improve with a more vocal and aggressive keeper. I'm sure Bazunu will continue to improve but he doesn't strike me (nor AMcC) as being the type to organise, nor to impose any sense of fear on the back 4 - which is definitely what we need in the short term given the inexperience and/or incompetence of our CBs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 6 September, 2023 Share Posted 6 September, 2023 1 hour ago, sydney_saint said: It's not totally his fault and the primary responsibility is still on the coaching and the defenders. But let's not say that if we had a better more experienced keeper that things could not be alot better. 1 hour ago, Whitey Grandad said: You may not like Bazunu and I don't particularly care either way but to start blaming him for all our defensive mess is stretching your case too far. Gramps, how about letting go of your straw man argument? Literally nobody is saying that all of the defensive mess is down to Bazunu. Not even the guy you quoted then accused him of it. Making arguments up to suit your own narrative is pretty poor form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 6 September, 2023 Share Posted 6 September, 2023 5 minutes ago, benali-shorts said: I think this highlights one of the major flaws of both Bazunu and McCarthy - they're both silent keepers and seem quite diffident personalities. I'm sure our defensive organisation would improve with a more vocal and aggressive keeper. I'm sure Bazunu will continue to improve but he doesn't strike me (nor AMcC) as being the type to organise, nor to impose any sense of fear on the back 4 - which is definitely what we need in the short term given the inexperience and/or incompetence of our CBs. Top flight shouty aggressive keepers list: Pickford Martinelli <end> Top flight nobhead keepers list: Pickford Martinelli <end> Top flight shouty aggressive keepers AND top 6 finish 2022-23 list: <end> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sydney_saint Posted 6 September, 2023 Share Posted 6 September, 2023 1 hour ago, Whitey Grandad said: And I think you are overstating the importance of the goalkeeper in organising the defence. Our organisation has been woeful no matter who is in goal and if anything McCarthy was worse. The defence and midfield should be cohesive and organised no matter who is behind them. True, a more experienced goalkeeper can help but only a little. You may not like Bazunu and I don't particularly care either way but to start blaming him for all our defensive mess is stretching your case too far. I repeat. last Saturday it would not have made any difference to the thrashing whoever we had in goal. Which point did I blame 'all' of our defensive mess on him, or even say that the result would have been different against Sunderland? I didn't and it's pretty strawman from you as that isn't my point. My concern has been the long term trend. He was the worst performing goalkeeper in Europe's top 5 leagues last season. That has nothing to do with the defenders in front of him. Often when a team is at the bottom with a shambles defence, the keepers can actually look pretty good as they have more opportunities to make saves. Think Marshall at Cardiff a few years ago when everyone thought he was the ducks nuts. Even if you think keepers have little role on what's happening in front (where I do disagree with you), you can't disagree he is underperforming by a long way even considering the defence. I think everyone can only point to 1, maybe 2 matches where her performed well. We probably would have gone down anyway but he certainly didn't help our cause. We gambled on him and it backfired. Now we are trying to do the same thing again. He is once performing poorly. We can sit here and analyse the goals one by one and have differences of opinion but that's pretty pointless. He has let in more goals he was expected to save, compared to savings shots he wasn't expected to save. And we are risking our promotion by backing him again. Whhhyyyyy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarehamSaintJames Posted 6 September, 2023 Share Posted 6 September, 2023 We aren’t changing him now, even bringing in a free transfer isn’t going to happen. Ask yourself, Gavin Bazunu or Alex McCarthy? Then stop whining and back him. 😂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 6 September, 2023 Share Posted 6 September, 2023 44 minutes ago, sydney_saint said: Which point did I blame 'all' of our defensive mess on him, or even say that the result would have been different against Sunderland? I didn't and it's pretty strawman from you as that isn't my point. My concern has been the long term trend. He was the worst performing goalkeeper in Europe's top 5 leagues last season. That has nothing to do with the defenders in front of him. Often when a team is at the bottom with a shambles defence, the keepers can actually look pretty good as they have more opportunities to make saves. Think Marshall at Cardiff a few years ago when everyone thought he was the ducks nuts. Even if you think keepers have little role on what's happening in front (where I do disagree with you), you can't disagree he is underperforming by a long way even considering the defence. I think everyone can only point to 1, maybe 2 matches where her performed well. We probably would have gone down anyway but he certainly didn't help our cause. We gambled on him and it backfired. Now we are trying to do the same thing again. He is once performing poorly. We can sit here and analyse the goals one by one and have differences of opinion but that's pretty pointless. He has let in more goals he was expected to save, compared to savings shots he wasn't expected to save. And we are risking our promotion by backing him again. Whhhyyyyy There you go with your meaningless statistics again. And your strong implication was that he was responsible at least in part for our defensive mess, otherwise why bring it up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 6 September, 2023 Share Posted 6 September, 2023 While it would nice to have a keeper that would organise the defence, I'd prefer bazanu focus on sorting his own deficiencies. If he gets himself in better positions to make saves he'll resuscitate his stats imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 6 September, 2023 Share Posted 6 September, 2023 1 hour ago, notnowcato said: Top flight shouty aggressive keepers list: Pickford Martinelli <end> Top flight nobhead keepers list: Pickford Martinelli <end> Top flight shouty aggressive keepers AND top 6 finish 2022-23 list: <end> Who the fuck is Martinelli? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disconnect Posted 6 September, 2023 Share Posted 6 September, 2023 7 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said: Who the fuck is Martinelli? A terrible goalkeeper, but pretty damn good going forward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 6 September, 2023 Share Posted 6 September, 2023 Will be interesting watching France v Rep of Ireland tomorrow night, could see three of our players in the side and no doubt plenty of shots for Baz to save, see how he compares with a different defence 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 6 September, 2023 Share Posted 6 September, 2023 2 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said: Who the fuck is Martinelli? Great contribution as ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 6 September, 2023 Share Posted 6 September, 2023 On 05/09/2023 at 19:45, Crab Lungs said: We will still concede from regulation shots even if we became Tony Pulis miserly. Whilst he’s not been at fault for much so far this season (our chaotic lack of organisation is the main culprit) he’s definitely not got this imagined ceiling everyone keeps talking about. He’s just bad. That’s it. I'd rather have Forster these last 5 years. All his replacements have been dire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 6 September, 2023 Share Posted 6 September, 2023 5 minutes ago, Jonnyboy said: I'd rather have Forster these last 5 years. All his replacements have been dire. So would I, but even he had his moments. That free kick at the Wembley final comes to mind. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 6 September, 2023 Share Posted 6 September, 2023 15 minutes ago, Jonnyboy said: I'd rather have Forster these last 5 years. All his replacements have been dire. 100% not going to bite! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woksaintly Posted 6 September, 2023 Share Posted 6 September, 2023 (edited) Watching Bazunu I have observed some basics that he is not doing which explains why so many longer range shots are going in. Good postioning is essential for any keeper and movement to narrow angles is key as well as havving a clear site of any potential shot. If your reactions are good you stand more chance of saving/diverting a goal bound effort if you are off your line. The skill is determining how far. There will be very few occasions where you will be chipped unless a player is clean through. Bazunu's position for the long range shots he has conceded, is in my opinion too near the goaline and his balance and stature is too high. By this I mean if you are in a crouching and weight forward position it is easier to dive and react to any shot than if you are static and too far back. This is a coaching issue which has not been addressed or he has not learnt this skill. Edited 6 September, 2023 by woksaintly 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behind Enemy Lines Posted 6 September, 2023 Share Posted 6 September, 2023 1 minute ago, woksaintly said: Watching Bazuma I have observed some basics that he is not doing which explains why so many longer range shots are going in. Good postioning is essential for any keeper and movement to narrow angles is key as well as havving a clear site of any potential shot. If your reactions are good you stand more chance of saving/diverting a goal bound effort if you off your line. The skill is determining how far. There will be very few occasions where you will be chipped unless a player is claen through Bazumas position for the long range shots he has conceded, is in my opinion to near the guideline and his balance and stature is too high. By this I mean if you are in a crouching and weight forward position it is easier to dive and react to any shot than if you are static and too far back. This is a coaching issue which has not been addressed or he has not learnt this skill. All very interesting, but who is this keeper, Bazuma? 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woksaintly Posted 6 September, 2023 Share Posted 6 September, 2023 3 minutes ago, Behind Enemy Lines said: All very interesting, but who is this keeper, Bazuma? 😂 Corrected even if your point is pedantic and not about the technical issue I highlighted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behind Enemy Lines Posted 6 September, 2023 Share Posted 6 September, 2023 1 minute ago, woksaintly said: Corrected even if your point is pedantic and not about the technical issue I highlighted I wasn’t being pedantic. I was having a laugh, hence the 😂 If I was being pedantic, I would have pointed at you are talking about Bazuma again in your post after your first edit. But I wasn’t being pedantic. Just trying to have a laugh after a long day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woksaintly Posted 6 September, 2023 Share Posted 6 September, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Behind Enemy Lines said: I wasn’t being pedantic. I was having a laugh, hence the 😂 If I was being pedantic, I would have pointed at you are talking about Bazuma again in your post after your first edit. But I wasn’t being pedantic. Just trying to have a laugh after a long day. Do you have a view on our first choice goalkeeper or are your comments only on those who do?😄 Edited 6 September, 2023 by woksaintly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behind Enemy Lines Posted 6 September, 2023 Share Posted 6 September, 2023 1 minute ago, woksaintly said: Do you have a view on our first choice goalkeeper or are your comments only on those how do?😄 I do. I believe there is a goalkeeper in him who plays the modern way most managers want. However, I feel he should have been dropped last year and we should have brought in a (much) better first choice. Give him time as understudy and take the pressure off of him. AMC clearly isn’t good enough. Put him on gardening leave after getting a new first choice in. I expect his agent would have advised AMC to move on, but if not, well, it would be better than having him as second choice. I do believe he has improved this year, but the defence (team) in front of him has let him and the team, fans etc down. He faces too many close shots and far shots with our players blocking his site. It looks to me like his confidence is low in himself and the team and that a shot is imminent every time the ball is close so he hops a lot, like it’s a nervous twitch, and this means his feet are slow to respond to shots in time. I’m not an expert, far from it. Just a fan hoping he can come good as he looks a lot better when playing for Ireland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 6 September, 2023 Share Posted 6 September, 2023 2 hours ago, notnowcato said: Great contribution as ever You posted about this top flight goal keeper called Martinelli. Who is he & who does he play for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 6 September, 2023 Share Posted 6 September, 2023 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said: You posted about this top flight goal keeper called Martinelli. Who is he & who does he play for? Yeah yeah, pick me up on a mistype rather than contribute to a discussion. Prick. Edited 6 September, 2023 by notnowcato 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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