notnowcato Posted 4 August, 2023 Share Posted 4 August, 2023 I wonder if any other football forum has this quantity and quality of goalkeeper analysis. Halcyon times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 4 August, 2023 Author Share Posted 4 August, 2023 1 minute ago, notnowcato said: I wonder if any other football forum has this quantity and quality of goalkeeper analysis. Halcyon times. If we had a prime Niemi in goal then no one could be arsed. The fact its debated in such detail speaks for itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 4 August, 2023 Share Posted 4 August, 2023 I think Whitey is on to something, he’s ahead of the game here. As it doesn’t matter who tries to save the shots, we could put Prowse in nets. But (here’s the genius bit), if we get a corner or free kick around the box, he could swap position & a full back could go in nets. We’d end up with 11 outfield players, and wouldn’t suffer for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 4 August, 2023 Share Posted 4 August, 2023 2 hours ago, hypochondriac said: Hold on could you expand on what you're saying here? Are you saying that a goalkeeper who is equally adept at other skills such as distribution, organising defence etc but worse at shot stopping will concede the same amount as another keeper who is better at it? In such circumstances they are likely to be similar in that respect too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintsBarry74 Posted 4 August, 2023 Share Posted 4 August, 2023 We'd be hard pressed to find a league one side who'd take on this lad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarehamSaintJames Posted 4 August, 2023 Share Posted 4 August, 2023 Some excellent ten yard pass’ in that first half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintsBarry74 Posted 12 August, 2023 Share Posted 12 August, 2023 One of the worst keepers I've ever seen relative to the level played. How have we not found a replacement? Guy's a sieve. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 12 August, 2023 Share Posted 12 August, 2023 2 minutes ago, SaintsBarry74 said: One of the worst keepers I've ever seen relative to the level played. How have we not found a replacement? Guy's a sieve. That's unfair! He's showing massive improvement - at fetching the ball from the back of the net, Guy's a world beater. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry_SFC Posted 12 August, 2023 Share Posted 12 August, 2023 5 minutes ago, SaintsBarry74 said: One of the worst keepers I've ever seen relative to the level played. How have we not found a replacement? Guy's a sieve. Whilst we all know Bazunu has been pretty poor for us so far, he had no chance for any of the goals today. It was all on the lack of midfield/poor play from the centre backs. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke SkyWalker-Peters Posted 12 August, 2023 Share Posted 12 August, 2023 Feels different to last season when he was letting in shots that he should have saved. I doubt many keepers would have saved the ones he has let in so far this season. Especially in the Championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintsBarry74 Posted 12 August, 2023 Share Posted 12 August, 2023 5 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said: That's unfair! He's showing massive improvement - at fetching the ball from the back of the net, Guy's a world beater. I was wondering earlier what would stop more shots - a fit, off the back of a good week’s training Bazunu or a traffic cone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benali-shorts Posted 12 August, 2023 Share Posted 12 August, 2023 13 minutes ago, SaintsBarry74 said: I was wondering earlier what would stop more shots - a fit, off the back of a good week’s training Bazunu or a traffic cone. How drunk is the traffic cone? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 12 August, 2023 Share Posted 12 August, 2023 1 hour ago, SaintsBarry74 said: One of the worst keepers I've ever seen relative to the level played. How have we not found a replacement? Guy's a sieve. Until McCarthy leaves we ain't bringing in a replacement keeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 12 August, 2023 Share Posted 12 August, 2023 The disallowed goal was embarrassing. Horrendous goalkeeping. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 12 August, 2023 Share Posted 12 August, 2023 He clearly has talent, remember the Gotzeke save! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SotonianWill Posted 12 August, 2023 Share Posted 12 August, 2023 Just now, Turkish said: He clearly has talent, remember the Gotzeke save! Do you mean Benfica? All I can remember about Goztepe was him conceding that cross Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 12 August, 2023 Share Posted 12 August, 2023 1 minute ago, SotonianWill said: Do you mean Benfica? All I can remember about Goztepe was him conceding that cross Sorry yes benfica, can’t the error I made it’s not hard to remember his saves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonaggro Posted 12 August, 2023 Share Posted 12 August, 2023 Watched the game level with Bazunu today and the lack of presence, physicality and judgement is astonishing. The defence can be appalling (keystone cops today) but they are clearly aware that there is nothing behind them. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 12 August, 2023 Share Posted 12 August, 2023 Just now, Miltonaggro said: Watched the game level with Bazunu today and the lack of presence, physicality and judgement is astonishing. The defence can be appalling (keystone cops today) but they are clearly aware that there is nothing behind them. Worst keeper since Keith Granger absolutely shite 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonaggro Posted 12 August, 2023 Share Posted 12 August, 2023 Just now, Turkish said: Worst keeper since Keith Granger absolutely shite Gunn was much better today IMO, at least he looked and sounded like a goalkeeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Rooney Posted 12 August, 2023 Share Posted 12 August, 2023 1st Goal unmarked free header…. 2nd goal dangling leg tackling and back turning…. 3rd Goal unmarked free header…. 4th Goal another defensive howler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 12 August, 2023 Share Posted 12 August, 2023 3 minutes ago, Ed Rooney said: 1st Goal unmarked free header…. 2nd goal dangling leg tackling and back turning…. 3rd Goal unmarked free header…. 4th Goal another defensive howler All big Baz's fault apparently. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 12 August, 2023 Share Posted 12 August, 2023 15 minutes ago, Miltonaggro said: Gunn was much better today IMO, at least he looked and sounded like a goalkeeper. And palmed the header out to Bednarek? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonaggro Posted 12 August, 2023 Share Posted 12 August, 2023 3 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said: And palmed the header out to Bednarek? Yes, a poor keeper but looked and sounded like a goalkeeper today. We don’t agree on this Whitey but to me Bazunu just doesn’t have the requesite presence or strength, regardless of the obvious weaknesses of the defenders around him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Rooney Posted 12 August, 2023 Share Posted 12 August, 2023 9 minutes ago, skintsaint said: All big Baz's fault apparently. Oh of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 12 August, 2023 Share Posted 12 August, 2023 Awful for the disallowed goal. He did come out and make a nice block later when it looked like their sub was going to score. Think he's very mediocre but we've put ourseves in a bind by extending Mccarthy and signing him, so just got to hope he keeps errors to a minimum. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 12 August, 2023 Share Posted 12 August, 2023 2 minutes ago, Miltonaggro said: Yes, a poor keeper but looked and sounded like a goalkeeper today. We don’t agree on this Whitey but to me Bazunu just doesn’t have the requesite presence or strength, regardless of the obvious weaknesses of the defenders around him. Not the greatest keeper but I’m much more worried by the blotting paper defence in front of him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintsBarry74 Posted 12 August, 2023 Share Posted 12 August, 2023 If we persist with a goal keeper so far out of his depth we're going to stay in Championship limbo for a long time to come. Look at Leicester City, they persisted with Danny Ward last season and it got them relegated. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 12 August, 2023 Share Posted 12 August, 2023 Dubravka is wasted sitting on Newcastle’s bench. He’d be my choice if we could ever ship out a GK. Baz just doesn’t fill me with confidence with the ball at his feet. He did make a good block today and could do little with the goals AND has an iffy defence in front of him but a good keeper inspires his defence and makes them more confident. I don’t think Baz fits that bill. That said, I think he remains our number 1 all season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 12 August, 2023 Share Posted 12 August, 2023 Agree with this. Just watched the highlights and was expecting to see a shit show from baz having skimmed the match thread.... none of Norwich's 4 goals are bazunu's fault today. The 2nd is a cracking strike and he's unsighted, the first is a free header put right in the corner, the 4th is laughable defending... In fact let's be honest - same for the 3rd, same for the 1st... 3 hours ago, Luke SkyWalker-Peters said: Feels different to last season when he was letting in shots that he should have saved. I doubt many keepers would have saved the ones he has let in so far this season. Especially in the Championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 12 August, 2023 Share Posted 12 August, 2023 1 hour ago, Miltonaggro said: Watched the game level with Bazunu today and the lack of presence, physicality and judgement is astonishing. The defence can be appalling (keystone cops today) but they are clearly aware that there is nothing behind them. Called this when I first saw him play, he's incredibly quiet for a keeper, makes no attempt to organise or really communicate with the defence in front of him. I think our defenders are impacted by that, also no shield in midfield so exposed both sides with opposition free to run at the centre backs, we really need a proper keeper in for this season. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 12 August, 2023 Share Posted 12 August, 2023 A goalkeeper that can make saves, it’s all I ask. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintant Posted 12 August, 2023 Share Posted 12 August, 2023 1 hour ago, Miltonaggro said: Watched the game level with Bazunu today and the lack of presence, physicality and judgement is astonishing. The defence can be appalling (keystone cops today) but they are clearly aware that there is nothing behind them. The best keepers have positional sense which helps them make saves, deal with crosses and cut down the angles for shots and headers. Baz has the worst positional sense I've seen in a professional keeper which is why he saves very little and is hopeless at dealing with crosses. Agree he has zero presence and it must be a nightmare playing with him behind you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 12 August, 2023 Share Posted 12 August, 2023 (edited) He's conceded 71% of shots on target so far this season. 5 out of 7. Edited 12 August, 2023 by Saint_clark 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErwinK1961 Posted 12 August, 2023 Share Posted 12 August, 2023 14 minutes ago, Saint_clark said: He's conceded 71% of shots on target so far this season. 5 out of 7. And which ones should he have saved? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 12 August, 2023 Share Posted 12 August, 2023 24 minutes ago, ErwinK1961 said: And which ones should he have saved? No idea as we don't know whether he'd have been able to with better positioning or coming to claim crosses. Seems odd to me that teams that play us are suddenly capable of scoring completely unstoppable goals though. I'm just going to keep track of that figure game by game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 12 August, 2023 Share Posted 12 August, 2023 1 minute ago, Saint_clark said: No idea as we don't know whether he'd have been able to with better positioning or coming to claim crosses. Seems odd to me that teams that play us are suddenly capable of scoring completely unstoppable goals though. I'm just going to keep track of that figure game by game. A keeper with worse distribution might have conceded 7 out of 12 shots on target this season, so he’d be better because that’s only 58%? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodsaint1 Posted 12 August, 2023 Share Posted 12 August, 2023 The big problem is that despite the horrors of last season and the fact hes clearly lacking in confidence, Bazunu's position in the team is under very little threat. McCarthy is no good (and hopefully will be shipped out soon) and Jo Lumley is the definition of a squad filler. He's still very raw and will make mistakes like every keeper does, but we dont have the depth to take him out of the firing line if required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daft Kerplunk Posted 12 August, 2023 Share Posted 12 August, 2023 I wouldn’t blame him for any goals today but if the club believe in him, then decent goalkeeper coaching is essential. I remember David Seaman being prone to errors but high-end coaching got him to another level. Positioning is coachable, but is critical as you’re in a better place to make saves when needed. Baz can make saves, he can play with his feet which is vital for modern keepers. He just needs focussed coaching on positioning to make an initial difference, then work on the other aspects of the game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 12 August, 2023 Share Posted 12 August, 2023 4 minutes ago, Daft Kerplunk said: I wouldn’t blame him for any goals today but if the club believe in him, then decent goalkeeper coaching is essential. I remember David Seaman being prone to errors but high-end coaching got him to another level. Positioning is coachable, but is critical as you’re in a better place to make saves when needed. Baz can make saves, he can play with his feet which is vital for modern keepers. He just needs focussed coaching on positioning to make an initial difference, then work on the other aspects of the game. Can’t remember any specific ones apart from in a friendly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 12 August, 2023 Author Share Posted 12 August, 2023 I personally don't think he was at fault for the goals today but what I do think is that he was part of a terrible defence both last year and this year so far. I think he doesn't have much of a presence for a keeper and his organisational and communication skills have to be questioned at this point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Lion Tamer Posted 12 August, 2023 Share Posted 12 August, 2023 3 hours ago, Baird of the land said: Awful for the disallowed goal I came here to say this. That parry was utterly awful, he should be putting it behind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 13 August, 2023 Share Posted 13 August, 2023 2 hours ago, Lighthouse said: A keeper with worse distribution might have conceded 7 out of 12 shots on target this season, so he’d be better because that’s only 58%? Yes, obviously. Bazunus distribution isn't even that special. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErwinK1961 Posted 13 August, 2023 Share Posted 13 August, 2023 7 hours ago, Saint_clark said: No idea as we don't know whether he'd have been able to with better positioning or coming to claim crosses. Seems odd to me that teams that play us are suddenly capable of scoring completely unstoppable goals though. I'm just going to keep track of that figure game by game. So a pointless stat then. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevy777_x Posted 13 August, 2023 Share Posted 13 August, 2023 Are we gonna still find excuses for him when his shots to save ratio is gonna be low again this season? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 13 August, 2023 Share Posted 13 August, 2023 9 hours ago, Saint_clark said: No idea as we don't know whether he'd have been able to with better positioning or coming to claim crosses. Seems odd to me that teams that play us are suddenly capable of scoring completely unstoppable goals though. I'm just going to keep track of that figure game by game. If you think that such figures are important or significant then there’s no hope for you. They are meaningless hogwash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 13 August, 2023 Share Posted 13 August, 2023 9 hours ago, Turkish said: Can’t remember any specific ones apart from in a friendly Did you miss the important one yesterday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 13 August, 2023 Share Posted 13 August, 2023 18 minutes ago, stevy777_x said: Are we gonna still find excuses for him when his shots to save ratio is gonna be low again this season? What is with you people and so-called statistics? These figures are random rubbish and have nothing to do with football and any of its results. A bit like possession percentage really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 13 August, 2023 Share Posted 13 August, 2023 So we need someone who “looks like a keeper” and “sounds like a keeper”. Fucking brilliant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 13 August, 2023 Share Posted 13 August, 2023 57 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said: If you think that such figures are important or significant then there’s no hope for you. They are meaningless hogwash. You think that the percentage of shots on target a keeper saves is meaningless? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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