RedArmy Posted February 16 Posted February 16 He is fucking woeful. Watch us sell him and suddenly he turns into Alisson, though. 3
Lighthouse Posted February 21 Posted February 21 Probably should have stayed on his line for the second but you can't take anything away from an excellent cross and run. I'd be more critical of that #17 at 58 seconds in. 1
St. Ciervo Posted February 22 Posted February 22 On 21/02/2025 at 23:36, Lighthouse said: Probably should have stayed on his line for the second but you can't take anything away from an excellent cross and run. I'd be more critical of that #17 at 58 seconds in. Expand You mean our first signing of this upcoming summer? He will certainly fit into whatever metric we are using to make decisions on attackers.
BarberSaint Posted February 22 Posted February 22 I like the fact that his team are sponsored by Circus. 1
Wade Garrett Posted February 22 Posted February 22 On 21/02/2025 at 23:18, Galway saint said: Another masterclass in the art of goalkeeping Expand My Nan could have got closer to that goal. Dreadful.
East Kent Saint Posted February 22 Posted February 22 On 21/02/2025 at 23:18, Galway saint said: Another masterclass in the art of goalkeeping Expand Inability to stick the ball in the net was my take on that match , Baz is diving but not appearing to see the ball trajectory so missing it , Diving for show ?
benali-shorts Posted February 22 Posted February 22 All the mobility of Robocop in goal. No-man's land for the second. All so depressingly familiar. 1
Gloucester Saint Posted February 22 Posted February 22 What’s that now - 2 games and three errors? Second one is as much about the excellent cross and gambling run by the forward (remember when Lambert or Ings used to do that?) but the first one is pure Baz. Low, not well struck, even for him couldn’t believe that went in. How he doesn’t get that away to the side of the goal or behind for a corner is astonishing at professional level and we saw it so many times for Saints. Pay 50% of his contract up in the summer and move on. Lumley is better than that for back up. 5
Saint_clark Posted February 22 Posted February 22 On 21/02/2025 at 23:36, Lighthouse said: Probably should have stayed on his line for the second but you can't take anything away from an excellent cross and run. I'd be more critical of that #17 at 58 seconds in. Expand How about the first that was hit with so little power from 12 yards out that despite it being hit upwards it dropped and bounced before it went in and he still couldn't get to it in time? 1
Matthew Le God Posted February 22 Posted February 22 (edited) On 22/02/2025 at 07:37, Gloucester Saint said: Pay 50% of his contract up in the summer and move on. Expand This is never going to happen. We signed him on a deal upto £12m. He has 2 years left on his contract. It makes no sense for either club or player to agree to your suggestion. 1) Why would he agree to forfeit millions of pounds in contracted wages? 2) His value isn't £0, why would the club let go a player they signed for a fee rising to £12m go on a free transfer? Even if you don't think he is any good, his value is still in the millions. 3) How many examples can you name of other clubs doing similar to other relatively big money young players with 2 years left on their contracts? It just doesn't happen... and for good reason. Edited February 22 by Matthew Le God 1
Holmes_and_Watson Posted February 22 Posted February 22 On 22/02/2025 at 06:43, Wade Garrett said: My Nan could have got closer to that goal. Dreadful. Expand Your nan is Peter Shilton though. 🙂 For me, another one of those where the reaction time just isn't quite there to be instinctive. As others have pointed out, there does seem to be a lot of those.
macca155 Posted February 22 Posted February 22 On 22/02/2025 at 08:35, Matthew Le God said: This is never going to happen. We signed him on a deal upto £12m. He has 2 years left on his contract. It makes no sense for either club or player to agree to your suggestion. 1) Why would he agree to forfeit millions of pounds in contracted wages? 2) His value isn't £0, why would the club let go a player they signed for a fee rising to £12m go on a free transfer? Even if you don't think he is any good, his value is still in the millions. 3) How many examples can you name of other clubs doing similar to other relatively big money young players with 2 years left on their contracts? It just doesn't happen... and for good reason. Expand Agree with that but with 2 years left on his contract he's not going to attract many 'millions' in transfer fees. Moving to the PL so early did for him. He really needed time in the Championship, to develop the areas of his game that didn't match his distribution. He's short on confidence and experience now. Certainly needs to move to reboot his career. I think he will, there is a good goalkeeper in there in my opinion, but our fans have turned on him now. I can't see a way back at Saints.
Lighthouse Posted February 22 Posted February 22 On 22/02/2025 at 08:02, Saint_clark said: How about the first that was hit with so little power from 12 yards out that despite it being hit upwards it dropped and bounced before it went in and he still couldn't get to it in time? Expand You mean the one ten yards out seen through a crowd of legs? This determination from a number of people to hate Bazunu is a bit weird, especially compared to a fair few goals Ramsdale seems to get off scot free for. The guy is just back from a nine-month injury, he's gone to Liege to get some match practice and sharpness.
Chez Posted February 22 Posted February 22 Nothing in that specific match to criticise him about. Great that he’s fit. 3
Galway saint Posted February 22 Posted February 22 On 22/02/2025 at 09:24, Chez said: Nothing in that specific match to criticise him about. Great that he’s fit. Expand It's all opinions but the first goal was poor ( albeit typical) and the second would have been taken by a dominant keeper, which he isn't. He's played two games for Liege and you wonder how many more will there be. If the club is serious about turning the club then there's a lot of work to be done across the squad but we can't have another season with this guy as number 1.
BarberSaint Posted February 22 Posted February 22 On 22/02/2025 at 08:52, Holmes_and_Watson said: Your nan is Peter Shilton though. 🙂 For me, another one of those where the reaction time just isn't quite there to be instinctive. As others have pointed out, there does seem to be a lot of those. Expand I look at it slightly differently, but agree with the premise: he's not a goalkeeper. 1
Convict Colony Posted February 22 Posted February 22 On 22/02/2025 at 08:35, Matthew Le God said: This is never going to happen. We signed him on a deal upto £12m. He has 2 years left on his contract. It makes no sense for either club or player to agree to your suggestion. 1) Why would he agree to forfeit millions of pounds in contracted wages? 2) His value isn't £0, why would the club let go a player they signed for a fee rising to £12m go on a free transfer? Even if you don't think he is any good, his value is still in the millions. 3) How many examples can you name of other clubs doing similar to other relatively big money young players with 2 years left on their contracts? It just doesn't happen... and for good reason. Expand 100% agree with this. I see this time and again on here, people forget players are assets to the club, people act like we aren't trying to run a profitable business but want us to spend lots of money. Must be Man City accountants.
Osvaldorama Posted February 22 Posted February 22 On 22/02/2025 at 09:19, Lighthouse said: You mean the one ten yards out seen through a crowd of legs? This determination from a number of people to hate Bazunu is a bit weird, especially compared to a fair few goals Ramsdale seems to get off scot free for. The guy is just back from a nine-month injury, he's gone to Liege to get some match practice and sharpness. Expand It’s because he’s fucking shit and we are all getting pissed off at the club signing (and extending the contracts of) fucking shit players 5
S-Clarke Posted February 22 Posted February 22 (edited) It's the same criticism as I've always had of Bazunu, you can rarely pinpoint at a critical horrendous error, but he just doesn't make saves and you're always thinking ''could he have done better there?'' There are no games you come away from thinking that the GK has won that for us. Any shot at the centre of goal goes in. It's just like having an outfield player in goal who can use the football. He will cost us shed loads of goals if he plays for us next season, guaranteed. Edited February 22 by S-Clarke 7
Gloucester Saint Posted February 22 Posted February 22 On 22/02/2025 at 08:35, Matthew Le God said: This is never going to happen. We signed him on a deal upto £12m. He has 2 years left on his contract. It makes no sense for either club or player to agree to your suggestion. 1) Why would he agree to forfeit millions of pounds in contracted wages? 2) His value isn't £0, why would the club let go a player they signed for a fee rising to £12m go on a free transfer? Even if you don't think he is any good, his value is still in the millions. 3) How many examples can you name of other clubs doing similar to other relatively big money young players with 2 years left on their contracts? It just doesn't happen... and for good reason. Expand It makes absolute sense when Bazanu costs the club £100m by effectively ruling any prospect of promotion. Who on earth is going to pay a fee for him? Unless they are barking mad. Value in Millions of Zimbabwe Dollars or Monopoly currency. He’s shot to pieces, could maybe recover whatever he had once had in City’s kids team starting again at the bottom (lower league one or two) with a good pay off behind him. He’s never going to meet what Saints need but like Bart did, could rebuild at somewhere like Notts County and get back to Championship level eventually in a few years with the likes of Millwall and Ipswich too. 2
Gloucester Saint Posted February 22 Posted February 22 On 22/02/2025 at 10:36, Convict Colony said: 100% agree with this. I see this time and again on here, people forget players are assets to the club, people act like we aren't trying to run a profitable business but want us to spend lots of money. Must be Man City accountants. Expand Businesses make errors and this was a Grade A shocker. Sometimes it’s fairer to individuals and the firm to write it off and allow all parties to move on.
Matthew Le God Posted February 22 Posted February 22 On 22/02/2025 at 20:39, Gloucester Saint said: It makes absolute sense when Bazanu costs the club £100m by effectively ruling any prospect of promotion. Who on earth is going to pay a fee for him? Unless they are barking mad. Value in Millions of Zimbabwe Dollars or Monopoly currency. He’s shot to pieces, could maybe recover whatever he had once had in City’s kids team starting again at the bottom (lower league one or two) with a good pay off behind him. He’s never going to meet what Saints need but like Bart did, could rebuild at somewhere like Notts County and get back to Championship level eventually in a few years with the likes of Millwall and Ipswich too. Expand That did not answer any of the three questions. 1
Gloucester Saint Posted February 22 Posted February 22 (edited) On 22/02/2025 at 20:42, Matthew Le God said: That did not answer any of the three questions. Expand I couldn’t give a fuck if it did or not. That’s my opinion on Bazanu. I’ve never seen a worse keeper at professional level. Cheltenham have two better, as is Torquay United’s. I’m sure Gavin can improve elsewhere but the situation is not helping anyone. Edited February 22 by Gloucester Saint 3
Badger Posted February 22 Posted February 22 On 21/02/2025 at 23:36, Lighthouse said: Probably should have stayed on his line for the second but you can't take anything away from an excellent cross and run. I'd be more critical of that #17 at 58 seconds in. Expand I did wonder if we could take their 17 in part exchange for Bazunu. That was spectacular spooning it over the bar. Not sure Shane Long would match that, and he was able to miss a sitter or two 1
Matthew Le God Posted February 22 Posted February 22 On 22/02/2025 at 20:46, Gloucester Saint said: I couldn’t give a fuck if it did or not. That’s my opinion on Bazanu. I’ve never seen a worse keeper at professional level. Cheltenham have two better, as is Torquay United’s. I’m sure Gavin can improve elsewhere but the situation is not helping anyone. Expand Hyperbole 1
Gloucester Saint Posted February 22 Posted February 22 On 22/02/2025 at 20:47, Badger said: I did wonder if we could take their 17 in part exchange for Bazunu. That was spectacular spooning it over the bar. Not sure Shane Long would match that, and he was able to miss a sitter or two Expand Frankie Bennett-esque
Gloucester Saint Posted February 22 Posted February 22 On 22/02/2025 at 20:48, Matthew Le God said: Hyperbole Expand You have your opinion, I have mine. But if he’s in goal (Bazanu, not Hyperbole), Saints are going to be in the lower half of the Championship next year. 1
Matthew Le God Posted February 22 Posted February 22 On 22/02/2025 at 20:50, Gloucester Saint said: You have your opinion, I have mine. But if he’s in goal (Bazanu, not Hyperbole), Saints are going to be in the lower half of the Championship next year. Expand We weren't the last time he was in goal. 1
Whitey Grandad Posted February 22 Posted February 22 On 22/02/2025 at 20:39, Gloucester Saint said: It makes absolute sense when Bazanu costs the club £100m by effectively ruling any prospect of promotion. Expand Eh? We got promoted with him in goal for most of the season.
Gloucester Saint Posted February 22 Posted February 22 On 22/02/2025 at 20:52, Matthew Le God said: We weren't the last time he was in goal. Expand We won’t have a defence with KWP, THB and possibly Bednarek in it. Been dreadful this season but quality second tier players. On the positive side, we won’t have Martin’s kamikaze tactics either. But then with less emphasis on footwork and kicking, even less case for Bazanu. No way we’d have gone up without his injury. 1
Football Special Posted February 22 Posted February 22 On 22/02/2025 at 20:56, Gloucester Saint said: We won’t have a defence with KWP, THB and possibly Bednarek in it. Been dreadful this season but quality second tier players. On the positive side, we won’t have Martin’s kamikaze tactics either. But then with less emphasis on footwork and kicking, even less case for Bazanu. No way we’d have gone up without his injury. Expand Centre back wise, I think Wood might reasonable option (where was he today?) And QPR contact tells me Ronnie Edwards is very much quality player for the championship so we have options there but need an experienced player alongside them like Fonte in his prime with us Regarding Bazunu, I remember saying at the time he was a £1M player at most joining us with league one experience, but because it was "Man City" we paid well well over the odds. Dreading having him back in goal for us. 1
Badger Posted February 22 Posted February 22 On 22/02/2025 at 20:49, Gloucester Saint said: Frankie Bennett-esque Expand Yes, indeed. That Branfoot bloke had an eye for a player. 1
Badger Posted February 22 Posted February 22 On 22/02/2025 at 20:40, Gloucester Saint said: Businesses make errors and this was a Grade A shocker. Sometimes it’s fairer to individuals and the firm to write it off and allow all parties to move on. Expand Wouldn’t be so bad if it was an isolated one. But …. 1
SaintsBarry74 Posted February 22 Posted February 22 Baz still has by far the worst xG ever recorded in the PL and he was track for the same feat in the Championship before his injury - I believe he needed only about -0.5 xG to accomplish it, with many more games to spare. Surely this bloke isn't actually a keeper, let alone him having played in the league with the highest revenue in world football. You couldn't make it up - though as a double 0-9 side threatening Derby's record, perhaps we're just keeping up appearances by having Baz on our payroll. 1
Football Special Posted February 22 Posted February 22 On 22/02/2025 at 21:18, SaintsBarry74 said: Baz still has by far the worst xG ever recorded in the PL and he was track for the same feat in the Championship before his injury - I believe he needed only about -0.5 xG to accomplish it, with many more games to spare. Surely this bloke isn't actually a keeper, let alone him having played in the league with the highest revenue in world football. You couldn't make it up - though as a double 0-9 side threatening Derby's record, perhaps we're just keeping up appearances by having Baz on our payroll. Expand I think his youth football was as an out field player before converting to goal-keeping,
The Kraken Posted February 22 Posted February 22 On 22/02/2025 at 21:21, Football Special said: I think his youth football was as an out field player before converting to goal-keeping, Expand I keep hearing this but haven’t seen anything to suggest it’s true. It’s a bit like the nonsense of Dan Seabourne being a front sweeper. His wiki page says his brother is a keeper too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gavin_Bazunu
bpsaint Posted February 22 Posted February 22 On 22/02/2025 at 21:18, SaintsBarry74 said: Baz still has by far the worst xG ever recorded in the PL and he was track for the same feat in the Championship before his injury - I believe he needed only about -0.5 xG to accomplish it, with many more games to spare. Surely this bloke isn't actually a keeper, let alone him having played in the league with the highest revenue in world football. You couldn't make it up - though as a double 0-9 side threatening Derby's record, perhaps we're just keeping up appearances by having Baz on our payroll. Expand I remember at the start of our championship season when Russ said Baz was going to be the best keeper in the league, and then subsequently almost became the worst keeper in the league for the second season in a row. When you factor in the bizarre signing of Lumley who had an awful reputation, and then the odd decision to give AM a contract extension based on a handful of games you really have to ask what donkey is running the GK department at our club. Why the hell Ramsdale decided to join this basket case of a club when he must have had better offers is bizarre.
Badger Posted February 22 Posted February 22 On 22/02/2025 at 20:56, Whitey Grandad said: Eh? We got promoted with him in goal for most of the season. Expand True of course. But can you recall how many games you came away from thinking Bazunu’s saves had won us a point or more? (He did of course earn us a point at Preston, although not from his performance between the sticks).
Whitey Grandad Posted February 22 Posted February 22 On 22/02/2025 at 22:01, Badger said: True of course. But can you recall how many games you came away from thinking Bazunu’s saves had won us a point or more? (He did of course earn us a point at Preston, although not from his performance between the sticks). Expand Maybe because we were winning the points anyway?
Chez Posted February 22 Posted February 22 On 22/02/2025 at 10:10, Galway saint said: and the second would have been taken by a dominant keeper, which he isn't. Expand He's certainly isn't, but no keeper comes and gets that cross. Not one. The selection of sticks to beat players on here is strange. 2
Whitey Grandad Posted February 22 Posted February 22 On 22/02/2025 at 21:18, SaintsBarry74 said: Baz still has by far the worst xG ever recorded in the PL and he was track for the same feat in the Championship before his injury - I believe he needed only about -0.5 xG to accomplish it, with many more games to spare. Surely this bloke isn't actually a keeper, let alone him having played in the league with the highest revenue in world football. You couldn't make it up - though as a double 0-9 side threatening Derby's record, perhaps we're just keeping up appearances by having Baz on our payroll. Expand You don’t really believe all this xG crap do you? 1
Mboto Gorge Posted February 22 Posted February 22 He’s simply one of the worst keepers I’ve ever seen in a saints shirt. Just a nothing keeper, doesn’t command, doesn’t seem confident , very fragile like a lost little boy at times. And most importantly doesn’t actually make any saves. A very poor keeper. 2
Whitey Grandad Posted February 22 Posted February 22 On 22/02/2025 at 22:39, The Kraken said: Expand So what’s your point? If you have one.
St. Ciervo Posted February 22 Posted February 22 He will get his chance to grow in the championship next season. By the looks of it, he might get quite a bit of time. I think that in the long run, he is going to develop into being a great stopper. Only at that point will some of you get your wish, as he outgrows us and moves on to a bigger club for some dog water price. 2 1
Gloucester Saint Posted February 22 Posted February 22 (edited) On 22/02/2025 at 23:39, St. Ciervo said: He will get his chance to grow in the championship next season. By the looks of it, he might get quite a bit of time. I think that in the long run, he is going to develop into being a great stopper. Only at that point will some of you get your wish, as he outgrows us and moves on to a bigger club for some dog water price. Expand He probably will and as a result we will be in genuine danger of doing a Sunderland or this season, Luton. There’s too much baggage, and I’ve seen a promising young Saints keeper when Nicholl recruited a teenage Tim Flowers from Wolves, then relegated from the Third Division. Got early chances with injuries, yes, made mistakes in a far more physical top league as it was then, but also got the Milton onside with some saves he really shouldn’t have been able to make. Of course, the club had actual football professionals and human being running it, so he was mentored by Shilts and when he went to Maxwell’s Derby, we brought in John Burridge. Mad as a box of frogs but carried on showing Tim the right habits. I’m sorry, but I’ve seen nothing from Gavin that indicates anything like the potential clear with Tim Flowers, and I’d go further and say Bart looked a miles better prospect tbh. League One at best. The club hasn’t handled and managed him right whatsoever, so not all on the player at all, but he won’t achieve any potential he does have after those two car crash seasons with Saints. Judging by his opening games in Belgium, I’m not seeing anything different. Maybe he will with a clean start elsewhere with proper coaches, boundaries and environment which cares. Nobody gets that at SFC under SR, it only comes from within - eg Fernandes. Being on loan to the skates didn’t do him any favours because their local rag probably tagged him the Irish Gordon Banks after a couple of decent saves plus the Irish press were probably in overdrive. Came back, wanted first team football which he clearly wasn’t ready for, and Shields had our pants pulled down on the fee. If he hadn’t been at City, nobody would be talking about him if he was £500k from Shrewsbury. But that’s his current level. Edited February 23 by Gloucester Saint 2
Disco Stu Posted February 23 Posted February 23 (edited) On 22/02/2025 at 13:34, S-Clarke said: It's the same criticism as I've always had of Bazunu, you can rarely pinpoint at a critical horrendous error, but he just doesn't make saves and you're always thinking ''could he have done better there?'' There are no games you come away from thinking that the GK has won that for us. Any shot at the centre of goal goes in. It's just like having an outfield player in goal who can use the football. He will cost us shed loads of goals if he plays for us next season, guaranteed. Expand I can pinpoint it. He has some of the worst positioning of any goalkeeper I've seen. He also can't claim a cross. Edited February 23 by Disco Stu 2
Gloucester Saint Posted February 23 Posted February 23 On 22/02/2025 at 21:15, Badger said: Yes, indeed. That Branfoot bloke had an eye for a player. Expand Frankie used to be a waiter. Based on his shooting accuracy, diners would have been wearing more soup then they ever ate.
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