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stknowle

stknowle

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  On 14/04/2024 at 10:07, Galway saint said:

preston away was a decent save. apart from that and WBA can’t recall others but could be wrong.

he started out as an outfield player and that what he still looks like to me. 

he’s part of the ‘possession’ based football philosophy that we have invented at saints where being good at distribution is more important than keeping the ball out of the net 

 

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They are the only 2 I can remember as posted above. The West Brom One and the Preston One. He makes good saves so rarely that they become known as ‘The (insert name of opposition) One’ and everybody knows exactly what save people are referring to. There was the Liverpool One last year, so that’s a hat trick of saves over 2 seasons.

AlexLaw76

AlexLaw76

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  On 14/04/2024 at 15:04, rallyboy said:

The Leicester six-yard box is an absolute clown show, Leeds have had some howlers - we don't have a monopoly on keeper concerns.

I'd prefer to concentrate more on why we don't take chances, most points have been dropped at the other end.

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Leicester and Leeds have conceded 38 and 34 goals respectively. We have let in 54...

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trousers

trousers

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  On 14/04/2024 at 15:04, rallyboy said:

The Leicester six-yard box is an absolute clown show, Leeds have had some howlers - we don't have a monopoly on keeper concerns.

I'd prefer to concentrate more on why we don't take chances, most points have been dropped at the other end.

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I may have mentioned this once or 83 times before ( ;) ), but we're the joint highest scorers in the league, so not sure that perception holds out statistically...?

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AlexLaw76

AlexLaw76

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  On 14/04/2024 at 15:38, trousers said:

I may have mentioned this once or 83 times before ( ;) ), but we're the joint highest scorers in the league, so not sure that perception holds out statistically...?

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Yep, add my post from above.....

Badger

Badger

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  On 14/04/2024 at 15:27, Wade Garrett said:

He spilled another one straight at him yesterday.  It seems Martin is more concerned with what he’s like with the ball at his feet than goalkeeping.

He has very little shot-stopping ability.  No other championship club would want him.  
 

He is a liability.

 

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Most fans see it, but not it seems RM or those responsible for recruitment. But in RM’s defence he has pretty limited options to choose from. 

 

trousers

trousers

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  On 14/04/2024 at 15:38, AlexLaw76 said:

Leicester and Leeds have conceded 38 and 34 goals respectively. We have let in 54...

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And the league leaders have let in 53... good game this quoting numbers that suit a particular viewpoint malarkey... ;)

The Kraken

The Kraken

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  On 14/04/2024 at 15:04, rallyboy said:

The Leicester six-yard box is an absolute clown show, Leeds have had some howlers - we don't have a monopoly on keeper concerns.

I'd prefer to concentrate more on why we don't take chances, most points have been dropped at the other end.

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We are the second highest scorers in the league, we’re averaging almost exactly 2 goals per game which is pretty much identical to Ipswich who are top scorers by 4 but have played two games more. I don’t think scoring goals is any sort of undoing for us; it’s more the fact that we’ve conceded 54 goals, 8 other teams in the league have a better or equal goals against figure.

Ipswich have similar stats to us but have made it work much better. Leicester and Leeds have run a much tighter ship, 38 and 34 goals conceded respectively. If we’re in this league next season then much work is to be done on fixing that leaky defence.

stknowle

stknowle

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  On 14/04/2024 at 15:38, trousers said:

I may have mentioned this once or 83 times before ( ;) ), but we're the joint highest scorers in the league, so not sure that perception holds out statistically...?

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It doesn’t. Just imagine how many more points we might have had if he’d made something incredible like, er, 10 good saves this season!!

Badger

Badger

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For a club that used to pride itself on its Academy and young talent we seem to have a blind spot in bringing through GK’s.


The last one I recall making an impact and looking like a prospect was Gerry Gurr. In about 1969.
 

 

saintant

saintant

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  On 14/04/2024 at 15:39, Badger said:

Most fans see it, but not it seems RM or those responsible for recruitment. But in RM’s defence he has pretty limited options to choose from. 

 

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Possibly because he has always championed Baz so why would the club look for a better quality alternative?

Holmes_and_Watson

Holmes_and_Watson

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For various reasons both Forster and McCarthy were given big contracts. That the club then spent every season trying to get them out the door, so they could get out of those deals. It wasn't because of the obvious talent of the first choice keeper, that they weren't getting games (although there were injuries and drops in form in there at times).

Even last season, Baz could have been removed from the firing line a lot sooner than he was. I don't think McCarthy's stats were great either then, but the season had long since sunk, beyond anyone coming out of it well.

Badger

Badger

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  On 14/04/2024 at 16:31, saintant said:

Possibly because he has always championed Baz so why would the club look for a better quality alternative?

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As said on an earlier thread, I don’t think RM can be criticised for publicly supporting his players (incl Bazunu at the start of the season). I was a bit surprised he publicly criticised him after the Ipswich game.

Whether he privately and firmly believes that guff though is a different matter, he can’t’ - or at least shouldn’t - be blind to the GK’s failings. 
 

You’d hope the role of scouts is to look at improving all positions (not just GK). 

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coalman

coalman

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  On 14/04/2024 at 17:19, Badger said:

As said on an earlier thread, I don’t think RM can be criticised for publicly supporting his players (incl Bazunu at the start of the season). I was a bit surprised he publicly criticised him after the Ipswich game.

Whether he privately and firmly believes that guff though is a different matter, he can’t’ - or at least shouldn’t - be blind to the GK’s failings. 
 

You’d hope the role of scouts is to look at improving all positions (not just GK). 

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Our scouts focus mostly on attacking midfielders. 

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rallyboy

rallyboy

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  On 14/04/2024 at 15:38, trousers said:

I may have mentioned this once or 83 times before ( ;) ), but we're the joint highest scorers in the league, so not sure that perception holds out statistically...?

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Most key games that have cost us have been dominated but we have not taken chances, then the defence has leaked - if you are three up, as you should be, it doesn't matter.

Being joint top scorers and drawing 1-1 with Rotherham can go hand in hand.

 

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AlexLaw76

AlexLaw76

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  On 14/04/2024 at 20:34, rallyboy said:

Most key games that have cost us have been dominated but we have not taken chances, then the defence has leaked - if you are three up, as you should be, it doesn't matter.

Being joint top scorers and drawing 1-1 with Rotherham can go hand in hand.

 

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But it does go hand in hand as it happened

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trousers

trousers

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  On 14/04/2024 at 20:34, rallyboy said:

Most key games that have cost us have been dominated but we have not taken chances, then the defence has leaked - if you are three up, as you should be, it doesn't matter.

Being joint top scorers and drawing 1-1 with Rotherham can go hand in hand.

 

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Fair point sir 👍

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Lord Duckhunter

Lord Duckhunter

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  On 14/04/2024 at 21:18, Saint_clark said:

Team of the season has been announced. 

Martin must be very confused about the choice of keeper. He was so confident...

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That’s a fucking piss take. Picking the team when the season hasn’t even ended. It’s a joke. Baz always comes good at the end of the season.  Take last year, higher league &  he didn’t let a goal in during the last 6 games…

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Dman

Dman

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I'm done, he's fucking shit. Get a proper keeper in next season regardless of what leauge we find ourselves in. 

We might lose a bit from our build up, but we cannot go on having a keeper who saves nothing - costs us way more than he earns over the course of a season. 

Having a keeper who's a little less comfortable with the ball at his feet might actually help us be a bit more direct. 

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notnowcato

notnowcato

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  On 15/04/2024 at 12:25, Dman said:

I'm done, he's fucking shit. Get a proper keeper in next season regardless of what leauge we find ourselves in. 

We might lose a bit from our build up, but we cannot go on having a keeper who saves nothing - costs us way more than he earns over the course of a season. 

Having a keeper who's a little less comfortable with the ball at his feet might actually help us be a bit more direct. 

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Yeah let's change keeper and style, you dman

HKsaint

HKsaint

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  On 15/04/2024 at 14:09, Turkish said:

They say a good goalkeeper is worth 12-15 points a season. How many points has he won us this season?

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No one can answer your question unless you replace “won” with “costed”. 

beatlesaint

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You just know this guy has a major error in him between now and the end of the season, if you were the opposition manager you’re just telling your strikers to shoot on site !

Oldandtired

Oldandtired

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I'm undoubtedly in a minority of one but I always thought McCarthy was a pretty good shotstopper. It's when he had to play the system of tippy tap across the box that's when it found him out. I believe it was partly because of this that RM didn't fancy him.

S-Clarke

S-Clarke

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  On 15/04/2024 at 16:35, The Curse of St Mary's said:

This is the difference. Watch these two saves from the Ipswich keeper against Boro which won them a point. There is no way Bazuna would have saved either of them, certainly the first save.

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/pa41igJ3MwAuSE6y/

 

 

 

 

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100%, It's not like we're asking him to pull off worldies like that in every game - far from it, just a few a season would be nice, I'd like to see him do something that at least earns us some points - otherwise we might as well stick an outfield player in goal, could potentially be the ultimate Stephens shoe-horn position.

The Cat

The Cat

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  On 15/04/2024 at 17:45, Oldandtired said:

I'm undoubtedly in a minority of one but I always thought McCarthy was a pretty good shotstopper. It's when he had to play the system of tippy tap across the box that's when it found him out. I believe it was partly because of this that RM didn't fancy him.

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His shot stopping was fine about 4 seasons ago but he got old very quickly and his reactions went.

If we put the McCarthy of 4 seasons ago in goal now and played the same style we'd have let in a whole bunch of goals from him passing it straight to the opposition or letting it under his foot like the Burnley keeper.

saintant

saintant

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  On 15/04/2024 at 16:35, The Curse of St Mary's said:

This is the difference. Watch these two saves from the Ipswich keeper against Boro which won them a point. There is no way Bazuna would have saved either of them, certainly the first save.

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/pa41igJ3MwAuSE6y/

 

 

 

 

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Think Baz might save the second because those are the ones he can deal with. However, the first low to his left - no chance.

stknowle

stknowle

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  On 13/04/2024 at 17:15, stknowle said:

Agree. He’s a massive Achilles heel unfortunately.

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Just for the avoidance of any doubt I am not some sort of malevolent cryptic witch doctor and I wish Baz a full and speedy recovery.

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Dman

Dman

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  On 16/04/2024 at 19:50, stknowle said:

Just for the avoidance of any doubt I am not some sort of malevolent cryptic witch doctor and I wish Baz a full and speedy recovery.

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I don’t, let’s hope his injury is bad enough to keep him in the stands for 4 weeks. 

Dusic

Dusic

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  On 16/04/2024 at 21:03, Saint_clark said:

Horrible to say but I hope he's out for the season.

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Why? Certainly much more likely McCarthy makes a howler playing out from the back in the next four than Bazunu.

The manager sees the players in training every day sonwould rather at this stage of the season he has all the players available to him - especially one he has picked to start every game!

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SaintsBarry74

SaintsBarry74

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  On 13/04/2024 at 19:46, Harry_SFC said:

Personally don't think he's that bad at claiming crosses. His shot stopping is the glaring weakness. Surely Adam should be able to see that.

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Up until about a week ago Baz was the worst in the league. Now he's "only" the 2nd worst GK at claiming crosses in the league.

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Saint_clark

Saint_clark

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  On 16/04/2024 at 21:12, Dusic said:

Why? Certainly much more likely McCarthy makes a howler playing out from the back in the next four than Bazunu.

The manager sees the players in training every day sonwould rather at this stage of the season he has all the players available to him - especially one he has picked to start every game!

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McCarthy looked fine tonight. One wobbly moment when Manning bizarrely passed it back to him when he took a quick free kick to get us moving, but Bazunu has multiple wobbly moments a game anyway.

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Sheaf Saint

Sheaf Saint

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Don't think there's any need to hope he's out for the season. If he's done his achilles tendon then he undoubtedly will be.

Now, can Macca step up and replicate Kelvin's performance at Elland Road in our last promotion season in 2012?

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