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Block41 Saint

Block41 Saint

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  On 24/02/2024 at 19:53, Lighthouse said:

He was Pompey's player of the season and for the most part he has been absolutely fine this season. Anyone playing in the Championship is going to make a fair share of mistakes, goalkeepers included. I've seen plenty of goals against other teams this season which Baz would have been absolutely slaughtered for, against keepers who fans have been absolutely raving about.

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He was Pompeys player of the season after they finished midtable. The money we spent means he should be the best keeper in this league, he isn't. 

His deluded fan club will convince themselves he's had a good year here in the Championship after the shambles of him in goal last season but I confidently predict he'll be starting for us come August because no PL club will touch a goalkeeper who doesn't save shots. 

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miserableoldgit

miserableoldgit

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  On 24/02/2024 at 20:14, Block41 Saint said:

He was Pompeys player of the season after they finished midtable. The money we spent means he should be the best keeper in this league, he isn't. 

His deluded fan club will convince themselves he's had a good year here in the Championship after the shambles of him in goal last season but I confidently predict he'll be starting for us come August because no PL club will touch a goalkeeper who doesn't save shots. 

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Why does it have to be one thing or the other? If you hate GB you are right, and if you don't hate him and think that there is a decent, if not World beating keeper in there,  you are part of his deluded fan club.....a "Happy Clapper?"  Nothing in between? Of course not.....

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Lee On Solent Saint

Lee On Solent Saint

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  On 24/02/2024 at 20:21, miserableoldgit said:

Why does it have to be one thing or the other? If you hate GB you are right, and if you don't hate him and think that there is a decent, if not World beating keeper in there,  you are part of his deluded fan club.....a "Happy Clapper?"  Nothing in between? Of course not.....

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It seems with him we have made a sacrifice on actual shot stopping ability. We've got a keeper who acts like a sweeper first and foremost. Not one that actually saves shots that he should do a lot better with. 

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Whitey Grandad

Whitey Grandad

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  On 24/02/2024 at 20:27, Lee On Solent Saint said:

It seems with him we have made a sacrifice on actual shot stopping ability. We've got a keeper who acts like a sweeper first and foremost. Not one that actually saves shots that he should do a lot better with. 

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He didn’t have a shot to save that I can remember (apart from the penalty of course).

That first goal was an absolute howler.

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Lee On Solent Saint

Lee On Solent Saint

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  On 24/02/2024 at 20:37, Whitey Grandad said:

He didn’t have a shot to save that I can remember (apart from the penalty of course).

That first goal was an absolute howler.

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I wasn't just talking about today. Just seems to me that we want to play it out from the back, so we've made a choice to go down that route with a keeper who is average at shot stopping. 

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Badger

Badger

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  On 24/02/2024 at 19:50, Block41 Saint said:

We spent north of £10m on a goalkeeper after a bang average year in League One. Laughable. 

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But he was coming from City, so had to be good. Just as Angus Gunn had been before him. 
 

 

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Whitey Grandad

Whitey Grandad

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I’ve just seen the ‘highlights’.

He comes and tries to catch the ball instead of punching it clear. At the time I thought he was going to get to the ball easily and couldn’t see why he was beaten to it.

inspectorfrost

inspectorfrost

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  On 24/02/2024 at 20:39, miltonroad said:

Not sure too many other keepers in this league get beaten to the ball on that first one. Just bang average at best. 

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Putting the rivalry aside my Pompey supporting friends thought he was a bizarre signing for us.

He's doing his best but he's constantly playing at a level that is above him. For every decent save he makes there's 2 of 3 howlers/shots that he really should be doing better with.

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SaintsBarry74

SaintsBarry74

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Statistically rock bottom in the league yet again. -8.3 expected goals let in. If we had an average GK we would probably be trailing Leicester right now on the table.

In before “stats don’t mean a thing”. 
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Harry_SFC

Harry_SFC

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  On 09/03/2024 at 20:11, Whitey Grandad said:

Yes, no chance with either but he had a couple of wobbly moments.

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His distribution was poor today, which is normally his strength. 

Both goals were basically in off the post, no keeper in the world is saving either shot. 

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Weston Super Saint

Weston Super Saint

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We must be the unluckiest team in the world.  The amount of goals we've conceded this season that 'no keeper is ever going to save is huge', especially from Championship level players.

Maybe there is something we do that turns the opposition into world class players for a short while.

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He wasn’t the reason for two badly conceded goals today. If anyone thinks that then you’re deluded and clearly have an agenda against him.

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It’s very easy to see all our goals scored this season, but I would be fascinated to see those conceded and how many Bazunu is culpable for; and that includes defensive fuck ups that have put him under pressure.

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Whitey Grandad

Whitey Grandad

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  On 10/03/2024 at 07:53, Weston Super Saint said:

We must be the unluckiest team in the world.  The amount of goals we've conceded this season that 'no keeper is ever going to save is huge', especially from Championship level players.

Maybe there is something we do that turns the opposition into world class players for a short while.

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Yes there is. We leave gaping holes in our defence. 

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TS22

TS22

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those xg stats are nonsence, based on them he should have saved 1.26 of the goals yesterday but if you watch the game he has no chance.

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Mr X

Mr X

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He worries me with his clearances and goal kicks that always look panicked and often nearly go straight to the attacker, but to be fair to him with the way we play he has more back passes to deal with than any other keeper in the league!

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Lord Duckhunter

Lord Duckhunter

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He wasn’t to blame for either goal yesterday,but occasionally I’d like to think “how did he get to that”. I can count the brilliant  saves he’s made in his Saints career on the fingers of one hand. That’s my issue, I’m left asking “could he have done better there”, far far more than “how did he get to that”. Good with his feet, bang average at actual goal keeping. 

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Galway saint

Galway saint

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  On 10/03/2024 at 19:45, Whitey Grandad said:

You know what I think about these sorts of tables and this just proves me right, in my subjective opinion.

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all personal opinions are inevitably subjective but yes you’re quite clear in that you don’t think this sort of analysis tells us anything worthwhile.

i think the fact he regularly appears towards the bottom of this type of table reflects the fact he simply doesn’t  make enough saves, but I agree it’s not the whole story.

perhaps Bazanu can be a really good keeper and still appear regularly at the bottom of this sort of table but when I look at that table it just reinforces my opinion that he doesn’t make enough saves and rarely wins points for us. 

to be clear he couldn’t do anything about the goals yesterday.

 

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SaintsBarry74

SaintsBarry74

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  On 10/03/2024 at 20:19, Galway saint said:

all personal opinions are inevitably subjective but yes you’re quite clear in that you don’t think this sort of analysis tells us anything worthwhile.

i think the fact he regularly appears towards the bottom of this type of table reflects the fact he simply doesn’t  make enough saves, but I agree it’s not the whole story.

perhaps Bazanu can be a really good keeper and still appear regularly at the bottom of this sort of table but when I look at that table it just reinforces my opinion that he doesn’t make enough saves and rarely wins points for us. 

to be clear he couldn’t do anything about the goals yesterday.

 

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Last season he finished with an xG of -15.7, the second worse keeper in the league, Danny Ward (Leicester) finished at -7.5. Now the same pattern continues in the championship, his distrubution is his strength, but as far as shot-stopping goes he's non-league level.

If we do gain promotion this season, then I predict we're going right back down the season after if we persist with Baz in goal.

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Galway saint

Galway saint

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  On 10/03/2024 at 20:40, SaintsBarry74 said:

Last season he finished with an xG of -15.7, the second worse keeper in the league, Danny Ward (Leicester) finished at -7.5. Now the same pattern continues in the championship, his distrubution is his strength, but as far as shot-stopping goes he's non-league level.

If we do gain promotion this season, then I predict we're going right back down the season after if we persist with Baz in goal.

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If we go up he will be No 1  and if we don’t go up he will be No 1. 

No one will sign him from the premier league because he’s not good enough and he’s not so bad we would buy somebody else to replace him particularly given how much we spent on him and how much time has been invested in him. 

he will probably be here for years to come which will please some and not others !

 

Saint_clark

Saint_clark

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  On 10/03/2024 at 12:36, TS22 said:

those xg stats are nonsence, based on them he should have saved 1.26 of the goals yesterday but if you watch the game he has no chance.

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Xg is different to the XgC stat for keepers. Expected goals is the likelihood a player will score in a certain situation, taking into account position, angle of shot, type of pass played and position of defence and keeper (and a lot more).

XgC is about the likelihood of a keeper making a save from a certain type of shot. The two stats won't perfectly align because a low Xg chance like a shot from the edge of the box first time like we saw against Sunderland, would also be a low chance of the keeper saving once it took the massive deflection. 

 

What the stat posted shows is that Bazunu has conceded more chances that statistically goalkeepers would normally save than any other keeper in the league. 

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saintquin

saintquin

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  On 12/03/2024 at 05:39, Saint_clark said:

Xg is different to the XgC stat for keepers. Expected goals is the likelihood a player will score in a certain situation, taking into account position, angle of shot, type of pass played and position of defence and keeper (and a lot more).

XgC is about the likelihood of a keeper making a save from a certain type of shot. The two stats won't perfectly align because a low Xg chance like a shot from the edge of the box first time like we saw against Sunderland, would also be a low chance of the keeper saving once it took the massive deflection. 

 

What the stat posted shows is that Bazunu has conceded more chances that statistically goalkeepers would normally save than any other keeper in the league. 

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Does it also take into account the player taking the shot? 

A striker more likely to score then a center half!

Saint_clark

Saint_clark

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  On 12/03/2024 at 19:08, saintquin said:

Does it also take into account the player taking the shot? 

A striker more likely to score then a center half!

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Most likely, yes. 

All these stats are worked out using crazy AI algorithms using hundreds of thousands of data points from decades of football games. 

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