Gavin Bazunu

[Lord Duckhunter]

1 hour ago, Whitey Grandad said:

That’s your definition. Coming out to snatch the ball off the feet of a striker who’s through on goal is also a save.

Interception? 

[AlexLaw76]

3 hours ago, The Cat said:

How? They had 1 shot on target.

Again, a save is stopping a shot going into the net. That is the definition. They had 1 shot on target, therefore he made 1 good save. Basic maths.

The rest of the good stuff he did wasn't making saves. He had a good game, we all saw it, the manager praised him in the interview. Do you have nothing better to do than being a twat on a football forum?

You never watched the game, did you 

[The Cat]

3 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

You never watched the game, did you 

I have a season ticket, of course I watched it.

[The Cat]

[The Cat]

1 save. Obviously the people who run Flashscore weren't watching the game either.

[saintscottofthenortham]

The difference some confidence can make. What a difference in this man now. 

[derry]

Obviously  learned from Saturday. The late free kick bent in towards the far post over the massed players was well dealt with.

[Saint_clark]

3 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said:

That’s your definition. Coming out to snatch the ball off the feet of a striker who’s through on goal is also a save.

Can it be a save if there isn't a shot? 

I believe what you're referring to is a tackle. 

[Whitey Grandad]

1 hour ago, The Cat said:

1 save. Obviously the people who run Flashscore weren't watching the game either.

We’ve been through this before. Many times. This just reinforces what I said about “misleading statistics”.

[Whitey Grandad]

2 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

Can it be a save if there isn't a shot? 

I believe what you're referring to is a tackle. 

He saved a goal. 
 

Lord Duckhunter described it as an interception.

[Saint_clark]

7 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

He saved a goal. 
 

Lord Duckhunter described it as an interception.

It wasn't a shot on target though so he didn't save a goal. 

What a ridiculous thing to get hung up on when everyone is already praising his performance.

[trousers]

He prevented an inevitable goal with his intervention. Doesn't matter to me whether it's called a "save" or something else. It stopped a goal being scored. Simple as that. 

[Whitey Grandad]

1 minute ago, Saint_clark said:

It wasn't a shot on target though so he didn't save a goal. 

What a ridiculous thing to get hung up on when everyone is already praising his performance.

Of course he saved a goal.

I mentioned on an earlier thread about him coming to the edge of his box when an opposing forward was through and causing that opponent to put his shot wide of the goal.that is just as much a save as a fingertip push over the bar.

[Lord Duckhunter]

3 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Of course he saved a goal.

I mentioned on an earlier thread about him coming to the edge of his box when an opposing forward was through and causing that opponent to put his shot wide of the goal.that is just as much a save as a fingertip push over the bar.

Don’t be so ridiculous, you can only making a “save” if you stop a shot on target going in.  In nearly 50 years of watching football I can’t recall one instance where a shot off target was met with cries of “what a fucking save that was” 😂. 

Baz’s fan club now want to redefine what a save is. 
 

The example you gave is good positioning, not a save ffs. 

[trousers]

Someone needs to tell Google they've got their definition of 'save' wrong... (Not least because they call it 'soccer'... )

 

[The Kraken]

That’s a bit vague. “An act of preventing someone scoring” could also be classified as fouling a striker who is about to score so as to give away a penalty. Ok, so they might score the penalty but it’s not much difference to a keeper making a save then a striker knocking in the rebound.

MLG mode off.

[Whitey Grandad]

16 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Don’t be so ridiculous, you can only making a “save” if you stop a shot on target going in.  In nearly 50 years of watching football I can’t recall one instance where a shot off target was met with cries of “what a fucking save that was” 😂. 

Baz’s fan club now want to redefine what a save is. 
 

The example you gave is good positioning, not a save ffs. 

Now you’re just being obtuse.

Nobody, not even you, can argue that he saved a goal. The word ‘save’ has multiple meanings. Not just the only one in your limited philosophy.

And I don’t know about your world but does every sentence have to include an obscene swear word?

You need to get out more.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

"saves" "shots" so old school.

Surely superceded by tracking the attacker's xEGWCT* against Baz's xROLAHTSA**

*Expected Goals when clean through.

** Expected racing out like a hare to stop attacker.

...oh look, my taxi..

🙂

[Lord Duckhunter]

I thought Gordon Banks’ save against Pele was the best I’ve ever seen, but now I’m starting to think this one tops it. How the keeper saved it from there I’ll never know . I was sure it was in, miraculous.

 

 

Edited 30 November, 2023 by Lord Duckhunter

[Dark Munster]

16 hours ago, Block41 Saint said:

I think it's a yellow card these days as he'd have made a genuine attempt to play the ball. 

That's assuming a competent ref!  If he wiped out the player without touching the ball he may have genuinely attempted to get the ball, but the ref could easily see it otherwise. If so, and the player would have been through on an empty goal, is it a red along with a penalty nowadays? I'm not sure if double jeopardy applies in that case.

[Tamesaint]

7 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Don’t be so ridiculous, you can only making a “save” if you stop a shot on target going in.  In nearly 50 years of watching football I can’t recall one instance where a shot off target was met with cries of “what a fucking save that was” 😂. 

Baz’s fan club now want to redefine what a save is. 
 

The example you gave is good positioning, not a save ffs. 

"Baz's fan club"??? 

You are a strange supporter of Southampton. 

[Whitey Grandad]

8 hours ago, Tamesaint said:

"Baz's fan club"??? 

You are a strange supporter of Southampton. 

Just because someone is not in his hate club does make them a member of his fan club.

[trousers]

8 hours ago, Tamesaint said:

"Baz's fan club"??? 

You are a strange supporter of Southampton. 

 

23 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Just because someone is not in his hate club does make them a member of his fan club.

He applied the same warped logic to those of us that weren't overly critical of Ralph. Hey ho... each to their own I guess....

[Totton Saint]

20 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Of course he saved a goal.

I mentioned on an earlier thread about him coming to the edge of his box when an opposing forward was through and causing that opponent to put his shot wide of the goal.that is just as much a save as a fingertip push over the bar.

It's all so  pedantic . Get a life you folks

[SambaMaverick]

Had a brilliant game on Wednesday.

I had concerns about him going into the season but I think he's found his level, just about.

Still don't think he's among the best in the division but he's got the whole season to prove Martin right and I hope he does, because we're not scoring much at the other end. 

[Whitey Grandad]

4 hours ago, Totton Saint said:

It's all so  pedantic . Get a life you folks

I’m not really bothered but when anybody says something like “He only had one save to make” I come over all pedantic.

[SaintTex]

Bazunu (and the CBs) have really stepped up in recent matches.

Last 10 matches - 8 goals allowed

oh, what's that you say? We are unbeated in the last 10 matches? It's not a coincidence. Our success or lack of success is going to hinge on our defensive performance this season.

 

* first 8 matches - 19 goals allowed.

We went from giving up more than 2 goals a match after the first 8 matches, to giving up less than 1 goal a match in our last 10 matches. Bravo.

Edited 1 December, 2023 by SaintTex

[Badger]

20 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

 

 

Yet he somehow managed to score a hat trick against us at The Dell 

Edited 1 December, 2023 by Badger

[Ex Lion Tamer]

For most of this season I've felt that although he's been decent, he hasnt really been tested or made any real high quality saves. But the last couple of games he has been genuinely brilliant. It's great to see him fulfilling his potential and hopefully it continues

[miserableoldgit]

It pleasing to see him stepping up and putting in the performances, especially with the flack that RM took at the Fans Forum for backing him so much.

[Lord Duckhunter]

[sambosa75]

Let himself down massively there.  A stark reminder that all the distribution skills in the world mean the square root of fuck all if you can’t stop shots on goal like that.  Along with Martin’s inability to build a side that turns the screw on the opposition when we dominate possession, he will cost us promotion and most likely a playoff place altogether.

[The Kraken]

Just now, sambosa75 said:

Let himself down massively there.  A stark reminder that all the distribution skills in the world mean the square root of fuck all if you can’t stop shots on goal like that.  Along with Martin’s inability to build a side that turns the screw on the opposition when we dominate possession, he will cost us promotion and most likely a playoff place altogether.

Definitely, and he absolutely looked like he knew it.

A shame as he made one exceptional save and had a number of other good moments. But he had a proper flap in the first half that, while it was called offside, didn’t inspire confidence. Awesome with his feet and doing the sweeper keeper thing, his distribution was very impressive. But he’s just far too prone to a brain fart like at the end, that was a rank bad shot to let in.

[Patches O Houlihan]

Baz man of the match for 94 minutes today. But undeniably should be saving the Watford equaliser. 

I find myself really feeling for him - today was going to be one of those days when he could have really stuck it to the naysayers. 

BUT there is a positive.

Right now he is not likely to get poached off us by a top PL team, and by sticking with him through thick and thin you would hope that there is a feeling of loyalty to the club being built up with him. Plus he has been largely very good for the last 12 games.

I still believe he will be a properly top level keeper, and we likely won't need to wait until he's 28. While for some supporters anything but an easy 3-0 is not good enough, I'm enjoying watching his development. Yes it's frustrating at times, but all the best dramas have some moments when things don't go as planned. 

Keep up the good work Baz

Edited 9 December, 2023 by Patches O Houlihan

[Lighthouse]

Amazing just how much stick Baz gets for basically being the MotM, keeping us in it and making an excellent save just before we score, but making a mistake which is ultimately punished because yet again we’re only one goal ahead.

Why does the Alcaraz thread never get bumped, even though he consistently churns in sub-par performances and has one goal this season? Along with Mara, Edozie, Adams and Sully he is far more deserving of the flak aimed at Baz.

[sambosa75]

1 minute ago, Lighthouse said:

Amazing just how much stick Baz gets for basically being the MotM, keeping us in it and making an excellent save just before we score, but making a mistake which is ultimately punished because yet again we’re only one goal ahead.

Why does the Alcaraz thread never get bumped, even though he consistently churns in sub-par performances and has one goal this season? Along with Mara, Edozie, Adams and Sully he is far more deserving of the flak aimed at Baz.

Which of those 4 players you mentioned gets a game week-in, week-out no questions asked?

[Patches O Houlihan]

2 minutes ago, sambosa75 said:

Which of those 4 players you mentioned gets a game week-in, week-out no questions asked?

Which of those players has an 'on field 2023 Alex McCarthy' as his competition?

[Lighthouse]

Just now, sambosa75 said:

Which of those 4 players you mentioned gets a game week-in, week-out no questions asked?

If you can’t get into our crap forward line because you’re even crapper, that’s really not much of a statement about your contribution to the squad. Besides, with the exception of Edozie those players all get onto the pitch at some point most game and seem to do very little.

If we’re 3-0 today, Watford pretty much give up after 80 minutes and the game dies out. Being on a knife edge every week on 90+6 is going to cost us as often as not. Doesn’t matter if it’s Baz’s mistake, THB or someone giving it away in midfield.

[The Kraken]

6 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Amazing just how much stick Baz gets for basically being the MotM, keeping us in it and making an excellent save just before we score, but making a mistake which is ultimately punished because yet again we’re only one goal ahead.

Why does the Alcaraz thread never get bumped, even though he consistently churns in sub-par performances and has one goal this season? Along with Mara, Edozie, Adams and Sully he is far more deserving of the flak aimed at Baz.

Is it amazing? Really?

Goalkeepers at any club all over the world have their errors highlighted more than any other position on the pitch. Because they are the last custodian of the goal. So many keepers through history have been critiqued at the highest level because they can make great saves but are also prone to basic errors.

This has been happening for decades, I’m amazed you find it amazing.

[Turkish]

15 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

If you can’t get into our crap forward line because you’re even crapper, that’s really not much of a statement about your contribution to the squad. Besides, with the exception of Edozie those players all get onto the pitch at some point most game and seem to do very little.

If we’re 3-0 today, Watford pretty much give up after 80 minutes and the game dies out. Being on a knife edge every week on 90+6 is going to cost us as often as not. Doesn’t matter if it’s Baz’s mistake, THB or someone giving it away in midfield.

A ridiculous argument. we weren’t 3-0 up, we were 1-0 up in the 6th minute of injury time and the keeper has a not overly difficult save to make to secure the 3 points and let it in. And it’s not like he hasn’t conceded that sort of goal before, he’s done it plenty of times this season. 

[Lighthouse]

19 minutes ago, Turkish said:

A ridiculous argument. we weren’t 3-0 up, we were 1-0 up in the 6th minute of injury time and the keeper has a not overly difficult save to make to secure the 3 points and let it in. And it’s not like he hasn’t conceded that sort of goal before, he’s done it plenty of times this season. 

You've missed the point entirely. We're only 1-0 up because the rest of the team has spent the last 95 minutes missing passes and shots which weren't overly difficult, which would have put us comfortably ahead. So once again, because of a substandard effort by our forward line, we're in a sudden death position, where any mistake from the keeper costs us two points. He hasn't done it plenty of times, he's made a reasonable, average number of mistakes which I'd expect from any keeper. 

[Turkish]

12 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

You've missed the point entirely. We're only 1-0 up because the rest of the team has spent the last 95 minutes missing passes and shots which weren't overly difficult, which would have put us comfortably ahead. So once again, because of a substandard effort by our forward line, we're in a sudden death position, where any mistake from the keeper costs us two points. He hasn't done it plenty of times, he's made a reasonable, average number of mistakes which I'd expect from any keeper. 

 

What you seem to fail to grasp is that that’s how it works for goalkeepers. You make a mistake, you don’t save something you should, you show paper wrists in the 96th minute to cost your team a win and it’s get highlighted, that’s how it is. That’s why the best keepers are the ones that don’t make many mistakes and save shots in the 6th minute of injury time to win their team a game. 

[Wade Garrett]

Terrible mistake for the goal.

The saves made looked pretty routine to me.

Hugely disappointing.

[The Kraken]

Just now, Wade Garrett said:

Terrible mistake for the goal.

The saves made looked pretty routine to me.

Hugely disappointing.

His save in the first half, low down to turn it around the post; I wouldn’t consider that routine, I’d say that was an excellent save. 

His flap at the goal conceded was indeed terrible. Awful.

[Roo1976]

1 hour ago, The Kraken said:

Definitely, and he absolutely looked like he knew it.

A shame as he made one exceptional save and had a number of other good moments. But he had a proper flap in the first half that, while it was called offside, didn’t inspire confidence. Awesome with his feet and doing the sweeper keeper thing, his distribution was very impressive. But he’s just far too prone to a brain fart like at the end, that was a rank bad shot to let in.

was just going to say excellent performance on the whole just fluffed his lines and blotted his game by an awful cluster fuck (again) should have saved it,but hes growing  into the keeper we hoped he might be(maybe).

[Roo1976]

3 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

Terrible mistake for the goal.

The saves made looked pretty routine to me.

Hugely disappointing.

Dissapointing yes ,but as ateam were either on it in one half and not the whole game,well thats my view of where we are atm. Playoffs should be attainable but who knows whats round the corner.

[austsaint]

4 hours ago, Roo1976 said:

was just going to say excellent performance on the whole just fluffed his lines and blotted his game by an awful cluster fuck (again) should have saved it,but hes growing  into the keeper we hoped he might be(maybe).

Shame for the lad, he had such a good game up to that point.    A couple of saves that were anything but routine - the shot from Asprilla destined for the corner of the net being one of them.    Maybe Bazunu was obscured by Bednarek but he looked slow to react, slow to get the hand down.

[Wade Garrett]

13 hours ago, The Kraken said:

His save in the first half, low down to turn it around the post; I wouldn’t consider that routine, I’d say that was an excellent save. 

His flap at the goal conceded was indeed terrible. Awful.

I would definitely consider it routine and one that most competent keepers would make.

[Wade Garrett]

What has impressed me about his game this season is how good he is off his line.  He’s also shown he’s not afraid to deal with crosses.

He needs to improve his shot stopping though.  He was so slow down for their goal and doesn’t look as strong diving to his left (Newcastle at home last season a good demonstration of this). The good news is that is something that good coaching should improve.

[Saint_clark]

2 hours ago, Wade Garrett said:

I would definitely consider it routine and one that most competent keepers would make.

I agree. It only looked that good for him because he's normally so slow to dive for those kinds of shots, this time he actually committed early.