Gavin Bazunu

[gio1saints]

  On 19/11/2023 at 20:55, CB Fry said:

Forest signed Dean Henderson at the same time last season and he was and is better. He got injured and they covered him with a keeper who was also better.

Let's not try and pretend that Bazunu was the only option we had for a goalkeeper. We didn't need a "magic goalkeeper" we needed one ready for life in the Premier League bottom six. Regardless of what happens now, or in the future, he wasn't. Him being better now doesn't change the past.

 

He's doing better now, at a lower level. We all want that to continue, so spare us your hand-wringing sanctimonious super duper fan act.

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Don’t flatter yourself that I might take advice from a bright little ray of sunshine like you. Though, if you are available as a professional wailer at funerals or similar I could be interested. You’re also excellent at sneering. ✅
 

Default scepticism and inveterate cynicism is a common path to take, especially for long term Saints fans. We can all dig up stories on how bad saints are and have been. It can become an endless cycle which can infiltrate ones non saints life if not careful, however.
 

And you end up just being that grumpy old man nobody likes being around as there’s always something you can find to moan about. 
 

[austsaint]

  On 19/11/2023 at 22:56, gio1saints said:

Don’t flatter yourself that I might take advice from a bright little ray of sunshine like you. Though, if you are available as a professional wailer at funerals or similar I could be interested. You’re also excellent at sneering. ✅
 

Default scepticism and inveterate cynicism is a common path to take, especially for long term Saints fans. We can all dig up stories on how bad saints are and have been. It can become an endless cycle which can infiltrate ones non saints life if not careful, however.
 

And you end up just being that grumpy old man nobody likes being around as there’s always something you can find to moan about. 
 

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Thanks for another one of your Pollyanna pieces.

I don't think many are disputing that Bazunu has improved this season.    The point you seem to be glossing over is that the Prem last season wasn't the right place for GB to learn about goal keeping.  Had he learned, and honed his skills away from the Prem Saints could still be in the top tier.   That's not wailing or sneering, just highlighting a bad decision by SR.

[St. Ciervo]

Jesus in goal would not have saved us last year, I'm sorry. 

[Saint Keef]

  On 20/11/2023 at 00:33, St. Ciervo said:

Jesus in goal would not have saved us last year, I'm sorry. 

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Probably not, but he might have been better at dealing with crosses!

[tdmickey3]

  On 19/11/2023 at 22:56, gio1saints said:

Don’t flatter yourself that I might take advice from a bright little ray of sunshine like you. Though, if you are available as a professional wailer at funerals or similar I could be interested. You’re also excellent at sneering. ✅
 

Default scepticism and inveterate cynicism is a common path to take, especially for long term Saints fans. We can all dig up stories on how bad saints are and have been. It can become an endless cycle which can infiltrate ones non saints life if not careful, however.
 

And you end up just being that grumpy old man nobody likes being around as there’s always something you can find to moan about. 
 

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Are you a minister? 

Every post you make is like a sermon and very condescending>

The facts are Bazunu was awful along with most of the team last season, this season he has improved and so has the team but all at a lower level.

Accept it, move on and spare us your preaching

 

[suewhistle]

  On 20/11/2023 at 08:49, tdmickey3 said:

Are you a minister?

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Possibly, but he's right about CB Fry.

[gio1saints]

  On 19/11/2023 at 20:55, CB Fry said:

  On 20/11/2023 at 08:49, tdmickey3 said:

Are you a minister? 

Every post you make is like a sermon and very condescending>

The facts are Bazunu was awful along with most of the team last season, this season he has improved and so has the team but all at a lower level.

Accept it, move on and spare us your preaching

 

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He's doing better now, at a lower level. We all want that to continue, so spare us your hand-wringing sanctimonious super duper fan act.

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  On 19/11/2023 at 23:25, austsaint said:

Thanks for another one of your Pollyanna pieces.

That's not wailing or sneering, just highlighting a bad decision by SR.

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Despite the current common use of the term to mean "excessively cheerful", Pollyanna and her father played the glad game as a method of coping with the real difficulties and sorrows that, along with luck and joy, shape every life.

 

My offering an alternate viewpoint and doing so coherently has really  clearly upset a small number of posters.
 

Those most upset seem to be those who insist on finding negatives at every corner and who, increasingly, seem to be clutching at straws to find something to beat Saints,, SR,  RM, JW and in this case Gavin, up with .


Apologies if I’m wrong and that what appears a consistently glass half empty point of view on Saints for some means anybody who dares to suggest otherwise fully deserves your ire and scorn but the comments against me here are quite lame compared to what they and others have said in last three months or so. 

I’m happy to debate anything saints on here with anybody- especially those who consistently revert to personal abuse as a means of trying to prove their point. But the insults are childish and tiresome so please let’s stick to the issue. 

Cannot do anything about last years goals conceded but we can via our support encourage this obvious upward trajectory in Gavin. Discouraging that positivity is almost the same as being a Pompey supporter at SMS to me. Unwelcome. 

 

 

 

Edited 20 November, 2023 by gio1saints

[once_bitterne]

  On 20/11/2023 at 00:33, St. Ciervo said:

Jesus in goal would not have saved us last year, I'm sorry. 

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Well, he was a RB...

[waylander]

  On 20/11/2023 at 03:11, Saint Keef said:

Probably not, but he might have been better at dealing with crosses!

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No. He had a particular week point with crosses

[tdmickey3]

  On 20/11/2023 at 10:23, gio1saints said:

 

Despite the current common use of the term to mean "excessively cheerful", Pollyanna and her father played the glad game as a method of coping with the real difficulties and sorrows that, along with luck and joy, shape every life.

 

My offering an alternate viewpoint and doing so coherently has really  clearly upset a small number of posters.
 

Those most upset seem to be those who insist on finding negatives at every corner and who, increasingly, seem to be clutching at straws to find something to beat Saints,, SR,  RM, JW and in this case Gavin, up with .


Apologies if I’m wrong and that what appears a consistently glass half empty point of view on Saints for some means anybody who dares to suggest otherwise fully deserves your ire and scorn but the comments against me here are quite lame compared to what they and others have said in last three months or so. 

I’m happy to debate anything saints on here with anybody- especially those who consistently revert to personal abuse as a means of trying to prove their point. But the insults are childish and tiresome so please let’s stick to the issue. 

Cannot do anything about last years goals conceded but we can via our support encourage this obvious upward trajectory in Gavin. Discouraging that positivity is almost the same as being a Pompey supporter at SMS to me. Unwelcome. 

 

 

 

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Lol, no one is insulting you at all, you are closer to insulting people with your condescending holier that thou attitude

[John B]

  On 20/11/2023 at 12:14, tdmickey3 said:

Lol, no one is insulting you at all, you are closer to insulting people with your condescending holier that thou attitude

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I do not think that is the case at all as the poster usually puts forward reasonable ideas which you automatically reject as you possibly have fixed ideas which you are unable to change change. 

Suggesting somebody is holier than thou does not in anyway show that what he is saying is not reasonable.

I think what he is saying is that a number of fans are continually negative on this board it is a point of view which I could agree with .

 

[Lord Duckhunter]

Another one where you’re left thinking “could he have done better”.
 

To me he looked a bit flat footed, with a lack of anticipation. It was either going to be headed away or miss everyone, so I’d question whether he should have moved to the right slightly earlier. 

 

[The Kraken]

  On 26/11/2023 at 10:24, Lord Duckhunter said:

Another one where you’re left thinking “could he have done better”.
 

To me he looked a bit flat footed, with a lack of anticipation. It was either going to be headed away or miss everyone, so I’d question whether he should have moved to the right slightly earlier. 

 

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Dunno, I think it’s harsh to blame him for that one. Good ball in, keeper not certain whether the striker will get there so can’t commit either way, and it went in the corner. The keeper always looks dopey when they go in, maybe he could have anticipated better, but personally I’d give Baz a pass on this one. The cross should never have come in in the first place, Manning and Dozy just ambling about putting zero pressure on the crosser, utterly shite defending from a team up against it.

I particularly enjoyed Baz sweeping when Huddersfield broke away right at the end; watching on telly I was just “oh fuuuuck” as their striker ran through then Baz suddenly appeared in shot with a crunching clearance.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

  On 26/11/2023 at 11:09, The Kraken said:

Dunno, I think it’s harsh to blame him for that one. Good ball in, keeper not certain whether the striker will get there so can’t commit either way, and it went in the corner. The keeper always looks dopey when they go in, maybe he could have anticipated better, but personally I’d give Baz a pass on this one. The cross should never have come in in the first place, Manning and Dozy just ambling about putting zero pressure on the crosser, utterly shite defending from a team up against it.

I particularly enjoyed Baz sweeping when Huddersfield broke away right at the end; watching on telly I was just “oh fuuuuck” as their striker ran through then Baz suddenly appeared in shot with a crunching clearance.

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Baz's season so far:-

Best striker. Best defender. Best passer. Jury out on the goalkeeping. 🙂

[Master Bates]

Being scouted by Spurs.

[derry]

Bednarek standing right in front of him then not getting in the header unsighted him and dropped him right in it with no chance to judge the bend. Where was the full back anticipating the cross and dropping onto the far post.

[Saint_clark]

As always there's a million and one things that other players should have done and he did nothing wrong. 

[S-Clarke]

  On 26/11/2023 at 12:23, Saint_clark said:

As always there's a million and one things that other players should have done and he did nothing wrong. 

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Not really, to myself it was quite obvious - the left back didn't defend, Bednarek was positionally in a bad place - in no mans land really and he didn't defend that situation. The guy didn't mean that cross to go in, no one was set for it. Bazunu had no sight on it and Bednarek should have dealt with it.

I'd still be going back to the initial phase and blaming the left side for not defending correctly against the cross.

[The Kraken]

  On 26/11/2023 at 12:23, Saint_clark said:

As always there's a million and one things that other players should have done and he did nothing wrong. 

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An absolute Bad Wolf of a statement right there.

[The Kraken]

Let’s have a look at it.

1) The ball comes in. Dozy has literally jogged across from helping out Manning and has put in a token effort at best to stop the cross. Bednarek looks like he’s in a reasonable position, all strikers are marked and Bednarek is cutting out the short ball in.

 

 2) Bednarek has just realised he’s not getting his head to the ball.  THB still just about goal side of the striker. Bazunu just taking a step back before he sets himself.

 

3) Ball has gone over everyone and is headed for the goal on the bounce.

 

4) This angle shows just how much the ball has curled before going in almost off the post. Bazunu is in a decent position but can’t commit until late and then just can’t get there.

[sfc4prem]

  On 26/11/2023 at 13:23, The Kraken said:

Let’s have a look at it.

1) The ball comes in. Dozy has literally jogged across from helping out Manning and has put in a token effort at best to stop the cross. Bednarek looks like he’s in a reasonable position, all strikers are marked and Bednarek is cutting out the short ball in.

 

 2) Bednarek has just realised he’s not getting his head to the ball.  THB still just about goal side of the striker. Bazunu just taking a step back before he sets himself.

 

3) Ball has gone over everyone and is headed for the goal on the bounce.

 

4) This angle shows just how much the ball has curled before going in almost off the post. Bazunu is in a decent position but can’t commit until late and then just can’t get there.

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So, wait... the only person with some fault is Edozie? Seems like rotten luck in the end, then. We had got lucky earlier so it all evens out I guess.

[Saint_clark]

  On 26/11/2023 at 13:23, The Kraken said:

 2) Bednarek has just realised he’s not getting his head to the ball.  THB still just about goal side of the striker. Bazunu just taking a step back before he sets himself.

 

 

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I agree with you. If he'd kept his eye on the ball rather than assuming Bednarek was going to clear it, he'd have easily claimed the cross.

[Galway saint]

you could at a push add it to the list of ‘could have done better’  but I struggle to blame him for that one 

the keeper always look bad when those go in but they happen

 

 

 

 

[Lord Duckhunter]

  On 26/11/2023 at 17:54, Saint_clark said:

I agree with you. If he'd kept his eye on the ball rather than assuming Bednarek was going to clear it, he'd have easily claimed the cross.

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I think a top class keeper judges the flight slightly earlier & realises that there’s only two outcomes Janny B heads it away (or at least flicks it for a corner) or Janny B misses it. When those go in normally there’s a couple of forwards running towards goal hoping to get a touch. For me, it’s come a long way & he should have picked up the flight earlier. I’m also not convinced his footwork was as good as it should have been either. As people have said, not a particularly bad error, but he really needs to start stopping some of these questionable ones. 

[John B]

  On 26/11/2023 at 20:23, Lord Duckhunter said:

I think a top class keeper judges the flight slightly earlier & realises that there’s only two outcomes Janny B heads it away (or at least flicks it for a corner) or Janny B misses it. When those go in normally there’s a couple of forwards running towards goal hoping to get a touch. For me, it’s come a long way & he should have picked up the flight earlier. I’m also not convinced his footwork was as good as it should have been either. As people have said, not a particularly bad error, but he really needs to start stopping some of these questionable ones. 

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Spurs think he is a top prospect despite your concerns

 

Tottenham scouts keep close tabs on Gavin Bazunu - Sources (footballinsider247.com)

[Lord Duckhunter]

  On 27/11/2023 at 13:27, John B said:

Spurs think he is a top prospect despite your concerns

 

Tottenham scouts keep close tabs on Gavin Bazunu - Sources (footballinsider247.com)

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[derry]

  On 26/11/2023 at 20:23, Lord Duckhunter said:

I think a top class keeper judges the flight slightly earlier & realises that there’s only two outcomes Janny B heads it away (or at least flicks it for a corner) or Janny B misses it. When those go in normally there’s a couple of forwards running towards goal hoping to get a touch. For me, it’s come a long way & he should have picked up the flight earlier. I’m also not convinced his footwork was as good as it should have been either. As people have said, not a particularly bad error, but he really needs to start stopping some of these questionable ones. 

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There is a third possible outcome, the Huddersfield forward coming in behind Bednarek gets his head to it. Move right too early and he opens the goal for a header. That's what stopped him just concentrating on the ball flight and for him unfortunately in that moment looked like the most likely outcome. The goal was caused by poor defending on the part of Edozie and Manning together with no left side midfielder after S Armstrong departed.

[Gloucester Saint]

  On 26/11/2023 at 12:50, S-Clarke said:

Not really, to myself it was quite obvious - the left back didn't defend, Bednarek was positionally in a bad place - in no mans land really and he didn't defend that situation. The guy didn't mean that cross to go in, no one was set for it. Bazunu had no sight on it and Bednarek should have dealt with it.

I'd still be going back to the initial phase and blaming the left side for not defending correctly against the cross.

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Stopping crosses coming in from good positions without sufficient pressure has been a problem for years, since Ronald really. Been better at it lately with Bree coming into the first XI and some crosses will always come in but the quality is always more dangerous to defend against when the opponent is given a couple of yards to generate pace and whip. 

[skintsaint]

  On 26/11/2023 at 19:28, Galway saint said:

the keeper always look bad when those go in but they happen

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Indeed, many a keeper beaten by crosses aimed towards that back post that misses everyone.

[Tamesaint]

My  MOM. 

[saintant]

Thought that was his best game ever for us.

[Saint_clark]

Best game in a Saints shirt today. long may it continue. 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

Good stops
Quick reactions
Sweeper/Keeper
Good distribution
Cucumber cool against incoming opponents

A good night for Baz.

[Tommy Mulgrew]

  On 29/11/2023 at 22:01, saintant said:

Thought that was his best game ever for us.

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What about the game v Liverpool last year?  His save v Salah was world-class.

[notnowcato]

Confidence, he has. 
 

Totally deserved his clean sheet this evening. The most pleasing factor from an average match. 

[stknowle]

Did really well tonight. Made 2 GOOD saves. 

[kristian]

  On 29/11/2023 at 22:14, Tommy Mulgrew said:

What about the game v Liverpool last year?  His save v Salah was world-class.

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Was also brilliant against United both games last season, but definitely best for a while.

[Suhari]

  On 29/11/2023 at 22:16, notnowcato said:

Confidence, he has. 
 

Totally deserved his clean sheet this evening. The most pleasing factor from an average match. 

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In a Yoda voice, read that, I did.

[Saint Matty 76]

Easily his best game for us, long may it continue

[davefizzy14]

He was magnificent tonight

[SNSUN]

He's definitely benefitting from game time and experience. Two top instinctive saves tonight and a clean sheet. Well done fella. 

[austsaint]

  On 29/11/2023 at 22:06, Holmes_and_Watson said:

Good stops
Quick reactions
Sweeper/Keeper
Good distribution
Cucumber cool against incoming opponents

A good night for Baz.

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He had a very good night.   Particularly liked when he smothered the advance of Conway and managed to dispossess him without fouling.

[Dark Munster]

  On 30/11/2023 at 00:23, austsaint said:

He had a very good night.   Particularly liked when he smothered the advance of Conway and managed to dispossess him without fouling.

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Yes he timed that one perfectly. Not easy, if not it would've been a penalty and sending off.

[austsaint]

  On 30/11/2023 at 05:02, Dark Munster said:

Yes he timed that one perfectly. Not easy, if not it would've been a penalty and sending off.

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I just watched the Club website highlights - it really was a brave, smart piece of keeping.   As you say the risk of Baz fouling Conway, conceding a penalty and copping a red card was high.

[Block41 Saint]

  On 30/11/2023 at 05:02, Dark Munster said:

Yes he timed that one perfectly. Not easy, if not it would've been a penalty and sending off.

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I think it's a yellow card these days as he'd have made a genuine attempt to play the ball. 

[AlexLaw76]

According Russell, Baz only made 1 good save......

[The Cat]

  On 30/11/2023 at 07:52, AlexLaw76 said:

According Russell, Baz only made 1 good save......

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Technically correct. A save is stopping a shot on target. I don't recall another one.

What's your point?

[AlexLaw76]

  On 30/11/2023 at 08:23, The Cat said:

Technically correct. A save is stopping a shot on target. I don't recall another one.

What's your point?

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He made more than 1 good save

[The Cat]

  On 30/11/2023 at 08:29, AlexLaw76 said:

He made more than 1 good save

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How? They had 1 shot on target.

Again, a save is stopping a shot going into the net. That is the definition. They had 1 shot on target, therefore he made 1 good save. Basic maths.

The rest of the good stuff he did wasn't making saves. He had a good game, we all saw it, the manager praised him in the interview. Do you have nothing better to do than being a twat on a football forum?

[Whitey Grandad]

  On 30/11/2023 at 08:43, The Cat said:

How? They had 1 shot on target.

Again, a save is stopping a shot going into the net. That is the definition. They had 1 shot on target, therefore he made 1 good save. Basic maths.

The rest of the good stuff he did wasn't making saves. He had a good game, we all saw it, the manager praised him in the interview. Do you have nothing better to do than being a twat on a football forum?

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That’s your definition. Coming out to snatch the ball off the feet of a striker who’s through on goal is also a save.