Gavin Bazunu

[SambaMaverick]

Another long range effort conceded tonight

[Golac's Cunning Stunts]

The Republic, and indeed Gavin Bazunu, breathe a huge sigh off relief as Kylian Mbappe's effort is ruled out for offside. 

Aurelien Tchouameni clips the ball forward to Marcus Thuram, who was in an offside position. 

He lays it off to Mbappe and his low strike squirms through Bazunu and into the net, but it won't count.
 

…so out of character for Gavin here. Obviously not to blame in any way

[Lord Duckhunter]

  On 07/09/2023 at 20:00, Golac's Cunning Stunts said:

The Republic, and indeed Gavin Bazunu, breathe a huge sigh off relief as Kylian Mbappe's effort is ruled out for offside. 

Aurelien Tchouameni clips the ball forward to Marcus Thuram, who was in an offside position. 

He lays it off to Mbappe and his low strike squirms through Bazunu and into the net, but it won't count.
 

…so out of character for Gavin here. Obviously not to blame in any way

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There you go, the first goal is a prime example of what we’re discussing. Taken in isolation, it’s not a glaring error. BUT, when the original cross comes in , there is nobody around the centre half who is just outside the 6 yard box. He makes a shite headed clearance, which leads to a long range shot.
 

I’d expect a decent keeper to do one of 3 things there. Ideally come and claim the cross, aggressively & early. Secondly he tells the centre half to leave it and it drifts out of play, or towards the full back who was also unopposed. Or thirdly he shouts early and aggressively so the centre half heads it out for a corner. No, yet again Baz’s organisation, aggression, and positioning skills are non existent. A decent keeper reads that, there’s nobody fucking near where the cross is headed away. It’s keepers ball if he’s proactive and reading the game, he claims it.  Still at least he’s not a knob head. 

Edited 7 September, 2023 by Lord Duckhunter

[ashnats]

Great that we have a whole subset of fans delighting in scrutinising every move he makes and calling him shit all the time.   

[stevy777_x]

  On 07/09/2023 at 21:25, ashnats said:

Great that we have a whole subset of fans delighting in scrutinising every move he makes and calling him shit all the time.   

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Its because he is shit

[Turkish]

  On 07/09/2023 at 11:49, notnowcato said:

Oh please, save me from your "genuinely intrigued" bullshit.

If you're unable to see that Martinez isn't a top 6 keeper, is shouty and aggressive, is a nobhead then it would seem you're incapable of following a discussion.

The original point that I was responding to was that all top keepers were shouty and aggressive, that's obviously not the case.

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You haven't got a fucking clue what you're on about do you

[BotleySaint]

You just can't have a keeper in the team who makes at least one glaring mistake a game. 

Needs to be dropped. He's not showing any signs of improvement. 

[AlexLaw76]

  On 07/09/2023 at 12:41, notnowcato said:

Remind me how the other world cup final keeper is getting on.  It really isn't an argument against all the best keepers are shouty and aggressive.

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so, at least 6 keepers in the league are better than Martinez? If that is what you meant, who are they?

[Whitey Grandad]

  On 08/09/2023 at 06:12, BotleySaint said:

You just can't have a keeper in the team who makes at least one glaring mistake a game. 

Needs to be dropped. He's not showing any signs of improvement. 

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Luckily we don’t have such a person.

[Miltonaggro]

  On 07/09/2023 at 14:45, Crab Lungs said:

There is this mythical assumption that Bazunu has some sort of huge ceiling and if we stick with him, he’ll reach it.

Even if he does, we do not have the time to wait around for someone to make mistakes which could cost us promotion.

And if he doesn’t, which I believe to be the case, then we’re onto a sure fire loser anyway.

it’s all moot though sadly as RM is as resolute and pugnacious of Baz as he is about his style of play. We’re lumbered, whether we like it or not.

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If there is a mythical huge ceiling I doubt that he could reach it, both metaphorically and physically. 

[Golac's Cunning Stunts]

  On 08/09/2023 at 08:09, Whitey Grandad said:

Luckily we don’t have such a person.

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Actually we have two

[Saint Matty 76]

Don't want to pile in for no reason but it is worth mentioning that Bazunu just gave away a really poor penalty and it looks like the Ireland fans all over Twitter have turned against him.

A really poor international break is the last thing we needed for confidence.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

  On 10/09/2023 at 19:08, Saint Matty 76 said:

Don't want to pile in for no reason but it is worth mentioning that Bazunu just gave away a really poor penalty and it looks like the Ireland fans all over Twitter have turned against him.

A really poor international break is the last thing we needed for confidence.

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They just need a possession game, where passing out is more important than anything else. 🙂

[skintsaint]

  On 10/09/2023 at 19:08, Saint Matty 76 said:

Don't want to pile in for no reason but it is worth mentioning that Bazunu just gave away a really poor penalty and it looks like the Ireland fans all over Twitter have turned against him.

A really poor international break is the last thing we needed for confidence.

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Got a vid? BBC write up suggests a defensive error leaving him 1v1 with the striker.

[S-Clarke]

Not entirely sure why he's being hung out on that, he was 1 on 1 and fouled the player as 9 keepers out of 10 would have done.

No mention of the save he made against Donyel Malen I notice.

[davefizzy14]

  On 10/09/2023 at 19:30, S-Clarke said:

Not entirely sure why he's being hung out on that, he was 1 on 1 and fouled the player as 9 keepers out of 10 would have done.

No mention of the save he made against Donyel Malen I notice.

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I agree with this. 

[Saint Matty 76]

  On 10/09/2023 at 19:30, S-Clarke said:

Not entirely sure why he's being hung out on that, he was 1 on 1 and fouled the player as 9 keepers out of 10 would have done.

No mention of the save he made against Donyel Malen I notice.

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I wasn't watching the game to be fair. Just saw a clip from an Irish fan on Twitter of the penalty mistake.

Hopefully he's doing better than I thought.

[suewhistle]

  On 10/09/2023 at 19:30, S-Clarke said:

Not entirely sure why he's being hung out on that, he was 1 on 1 and fouled the player as 9 keepers out of 10 would have done.

 

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Well, I played in goal today in the lower reaches of the grassroots game and had a few 1 on 1s. You should have come out, you should have stayed back... thanks for the advice grlls!

My coach said I played well but I've asked for  more practice in that area, but when all is said and done I'd rather be playing up front! Make a mistake there and it's not commented on so much...

And not on topic at all, there are now 6 divisions in the Hampshire Women's Leagues which pleases me no end..

[david in sweden]

...... seems that those impatient types who blame Gavin Bazunu for every goal we concede will be (figuratively)  sharpening their pencils  

in preparation for a wave of criticism when the next goal rush comes against GB after the report that Jan Bednarek was injured in the first

half of his game for Poland... now in the event of  a longer term absence we are  .to say the least ....a bit thin on the ground for alternative CB's.

With Salisu, ABK, Lyanco and Caleta-Car already gone, and the promising Ryan Finnegan out on loan at Shrewsbury, we are left with the newly-loaned

Mason Holgate , and the untried Harwood-Bellis as possible CB's ..and /or ...Shea Charles as a versatile alternative.  

 

Back to ..Bazunu who became the whipping boy after the Sunderland defeat, and that doesn't bode well for the Leicester game. 

I make no apology for repeating myself -- yet again . A goalie is only as good as the defence in front of him..

Our strike force will pick itself,  but we need to pack the bench with every fit defender who is available for Friday night..  

Sadly, goalkeepers are blamed every time, but the striker who misses 3 or 4 sitters has only had .. a bit of  " bad luck " .    Put blame where it belongs. 

 

Edited 11 September, 2023 by david in sweden

[badgerx16]

  On 10/09/2023 at 20:08, suewhistle said:

......all is said and done I'd rather be playing up front! Make a mistake there and it's not commented on so much...

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Calling Che Adams to the forum.

[Osvaldorama]

  On 11/09/2023 at 08:14, david in sweden said:

...... seems that those impatient types who blame Gavin Bazunu for every goal we concede will be (figuratively)  sharpening their pencils  

 

half of his game for Poland... now in the event of  a longer term absence we are  .to say the least ....a bit thin on the ground for alternative CB's.

With Salisu, ABK, Lyanco and Caleta-Car already gone, and the promising Ryan Finnegan out on loan at Shrewsbury, we are left with the newly-loaned

Mason Holgate , and the untried Harwood-Bellis as possible CB's ..and /or ...Shea Charles as a versatile alternative.  

 

Back to ..Bazunu who became the whipping boy after the Sunderland defeat, and that doesn't bode well for the Leicester game. 

I make no apology for repeating myself -- yet again . A goalie is only as good as the defence in front of him..

Our strike force will pick itself,  but we need to pack the bench with every fit defender who is available for Friday night..  

Sadly, goalkeepers are blamed every time, but the striker who misses 3 or 4 sitters has only had .. a bit of  " bad luck " .    Put blame where it belongs. 

 

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Again, just tripe of a post.  
 

Goalkeepers make a huge difference to a defence. Of course it’s a two way street, but they make a huge difference. 
 

A weak and uncommanding goalkeeper would make even Man City or Barcelona’s back 4 much worse. As has been proven over and over again. 

[Golac's Cunning Stunts]

  On 10/09/2023 at 19:30, S-Clarke said:

Not entirely sure why he's being hung out on that, he was 1 on 1 and fouled the player as 9 keepers out of 10 would have done.

No mention of the save he made against Donyel Malen I notice.

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Just watched the pen. One could argue he was lucky not to get a red for stopping an obvious goalscoring opportunity?

[Block41 Saint]

  On 11/09/2023 at 09:05, Golac's Cunning Stunts said:

Just watched the pen. One could argue he was lucky not to get a red for stopping an obvious goalscoring opportunity?

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Rule changed a few years back, it's a yellow card if it's deemed that the goalkeeper/defender has made a genuine attempt to play the ball. 

[Whitey Grandad]

  On 11/09/2023 at 08:40, Osvaldorama said:

Again, just tripe of a post.  
 

Goalkeepers make a huge difference to a defence. Of course it’s a two way street, but they make a huge difference. 
 

A weak and uncommanding goalkeeper would make even Man City or Barcelona’s back 4 much worse. As has been proven over and over again. 

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As has never been proven. Please don’t make up your own facts.

[suewhistle]

  On 11/09/2023 at 08:29, badgerx16 said:

Calling Che Adams to the forum.

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:-).. Yeah, good point, and I can score with my left foot if I need to!

Edited 11 September, 2023 by suewhistle
clarification :-)

[SambaMaverick]

  On 11/09/2023 at 09:19, Whitey Grandad said:

As has never been proven. Please don’t make up your own facts.

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Do you remember a player called Claudio Bravo?

[Osvaldorama]

  On 11/09/2023 at 09:19, Whitey Grandad said:

As has never been proven. Please don’t make up your own facts.

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It’s obviously proven.
 

I could name countless times where just changing the keeper has improved teams.
 

The Martinez one above is a prime example. 

If your ridiculous theory that goalkeepers are only as good as the defence in front of them was true, why would any club buy a goalkeeper?

Why not put a youth player in goal? Why spend any money on a goalkeeper at all?

 

…oh yeah. Because goalkeeper is an absolutely vital position that can have a huge impact on any football team. 

[Whitey Grandad]

  On 11/09/2023 at 12:49, Osvaldorama said:

It’s obviously proven.
 

I could name countless times where just changing the keeper has improved teams.
 

The Martinez one above is a prime example. 

If your ridiculous theory that goalkeepers are only as good as the defence in front of them was true, why would any club buy a goalkeeper?

Why not put a youth player in goal? Why spend any money on a goalkeeper at all?

 

…oh yeah. Because goalkeeper is an absolutely vital position that can have a huge impact on any football team. 

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A better keeper will lead to better results.  But in a team with a bad defence he may not make a big difference. 

[Lord Duckhunter]

  On 11/09/2023 at 13:03, Whitey Grandad said:

A better keeper will lead to better results.  But in a team with a bad defence he may not make a big difference. 

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If we had Pickford or Martinez in nets we’d have stayed up, that’s a massive fucking difference. 

[Whitey Grandad]

  On 11/09/2023 at 15:44, Lord Duckhunter said:

If we had Pickford or Martinez in nets we’d have stayed up, that’s a massive fucking difference. 

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We needed another 12 points. How many goals would these two have scored?

Edited 11 September, 2023 by Whitey Grandad

[Kenilworthy]

  On 11/09/2023 at 15:51, Whitey Grandad said:

We needed another 12 points. How many goals would these two have scored?

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Was it seven or eight games we lost by a single goal to very poor sides? An extra 8 points from games not lost but drawn would have given us a real chance or survival

[Convict Colony]

[Whitey Grandad]

  On 11/09/2023 at 15:56, Kenilworthy said:

Was it seven or eight games we lost by a single goal to very poor sides? An extra 8 points from games not lost but drawn would have given us a real chance or survival

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We should have scored more, not saved the single goals.

[St. Ciervo]

Time to bust out the big math... 25pts + 8pts = 33pts on the season... Still relegated.

Edited 12 September, 2023 by St. Ciervo

[Convict Colony]

12 goals conceded and Baz could of done better with 1 of the Sunderland ones in my opinion where he was unsighted and didn't have strong enough hands, the other 11 were down to.both defensive lapses and excellent goalscoring.

Forster was statistical the best goalkeeper in the league for nearly half a season one year but that also wasn't down to the goalie it was down to the fact that big Vic, Morgan, Toby, Fonte, clyne and Bertrand stopped any fucker from getting shots off

Instead of just blaming goalies for the end result we should look at the forwards, midfielders and defenders just as much for each one of these goals.

I've seen KWP, Bednerak, Manning, Holgate, Edozie just to name a few responsible for goals, left alone the Maginot line aka our midfielders who are just static mannequins when the oppo get the ball.

Understand it's frustrating but we should judge players on this season not their last, you might be right over the season of course and I will agree, but no one predicts correctly after 5 games.

 

 

 

[Saint86]

  On 12/09/2023 at 18:42, Convict Colony said:

12 goals conceded and Baz could of done better with 1 of the Sunderland ones in my opinion where he was unsighted and didn't have strong enough hands, the other 11 were down to.both defensive lapses and excellent goalscoring.

Forster was statistical the best goalkeeper in the league for nearly half a season one year but that also wasn't down to the goalie it was down to the fact that big Vic, Morgan, Toby, Fonte, clyne and Bertrand stopped any fucker from getting shots off

Instead of just blaming goalies for the end result we should look at the forwards, midfielders and defenders just as much for each one of these goals.

I've seen KWP, Bednerak, Manning, Holgate, Edozie just to name a few responsible for goals, left alone the Maginot line aka our midfielders who are just static mannequins when the oppo get the ball.

Understand it's frustrating but we should judge players on this season not their last, you might be right over the season of course and I will agree, but no one predicts correctly after 5 games.

 

 

 

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Agreed, we are appalling from a defensive perspective, and a huge amount of that blame lies with the manager and the way the team are setup. He needs to tailor his tactics to improve this or we're going to struggle to meet expectations this season.

[Master Bates]

  On 11/09/2023 at 16:22, Convict Colony said:

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Feeling flat.

[ashnats]

  On 11/09/2023 at 08:40, Osvaldorama said:

Again, just tripe of a post.  
 

Goalkeepers make a huge difference to a defence. Of course it’s a two way street, but they make a huge difference. 
 

A weak and uncommanding goalkeeper would make even Man City or Barcelona’s back 4 much worse. As has been proven over and over again. 

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Statistically ederson has very similar stats to bazunu, save percentage for example...

[Weston Super Saint]

  On 13/09/2023 at 12:16, ashnats said:

Statistically ederson has very similar stats to bazunu, save percentage for example...

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Statistically, how do their goals conceded compare with ours?

You know, statistically....

[notnowcato]

  On 13/09/2023 at 12:35, Weston Super Saint said:

Statistically, how do their goals conceded compare with ours?

You know, statistically....

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You do get that if Bazunu played behind the City defence he'd concede a lot less goals than he does playing behind the Saints defence, right?

[Weston Super Saint]

  On 13/09/2023 at 12:51, notnowcato said:

You do get that if Bazunu played behind the City defence he'd concede a lot less goals than he does playing behind the Saints defence, right?

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Yes I do, because that was my point.

[Golac's Cunning Stunts]

  On 13/09/2023 at 12:51, notnowcato said:

You do get that if Bazunu played behind the City defence he'd concede a lot less goals than he does playing behind the Saints defence, right?

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Does that mean he is exempt from criticism from letting in goals he really should have saved?

Ederson would let more goals in if he was Saints goalie for sure, but I wager a lot less than Baz has

[notnowcato]

  On 13/09/2023 at 19:09, Golac's Cunning Stunts said:

Does that mean he is exempt from criticism from letting in goals he really should have saved?

Ederson would let more goals in if he was Saints goalie for sure, but I wager a lot less than Baz has

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What are you talking about? No one is saying anyone is exempt from criticism. 
 

There’s been one goal this season he should’ve saved, some goals he could’ve saved. 
 

The heat is on the wrong position. 

[HKsaint]

But I am pretty sure that City would not have won the title if Bazunu were the goalie 

[CB Fry]

Last season, if we had Bazunu in goal but all of the Manchester City outfield players in front of him, I reckon we probably would have stayed up.

[Charlie Wayman]

  On 14/09/2023 at 00:10, HKsaint said:

But I am pretty sure that City would not have won the title if Bazunu were the goalie 

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I'm pretty sure they would.

[OldNick]

  On 14/09/2023 at 00:10, HKsaint said:

But I am pretty sure that City would not have won the title if Bazunu were the goalie 

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Ridiculous, he would have been more confident and a better manager than we will ever have. 

[OldNick]

  On 13/09/2023 at 19:09, Golac's Cunning Stunts said:

Does that mean he is exempt from criticism from letting in goals he really should have saved?

Ederson would let more goals in if he was Saints goalie for sure, but I wager a lot less than Baz has

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Iam not Baz biggest fan but some of the criticism is madness. There hasn't been a keeper for some while who hasn't been pilloried on here. 

[derry]

Some of the conjecture and claims about this defence and that goalkeeper have gone beyond utter stupidity. It is what it is. A team in transition, a manager who was an ex defender that doesn't seem to grasp that defenders have to defend not indulge in increasing possession statistics and kamikaze attacking. The consequences are a young goalkeeper exposed to easy goalscoring opportunities and a number of critics pushing their obsessive agenda.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

  On 14/09/2023 at 08:42, OldNick said:

Iam not Baz biggest fan but some of the criticism is madness. There hasn't been a keeper for some while who hasn't been pilloried on here. 

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Pep would never have won the title with Shilton in goal! 🙂