Gavin Bazunu

[Saint_clark]

2 hours ago, Dirkdiggler said:

Yep just pulled them out me arse….

Those lists are just subjective opinions with no evidence quoted to back it up. I prefer judging ability from the objective statistical record alongside my own eyes rather than putting stock in the opinion of (checks) Abdullahi Ishola from topsoccerblog.com, who lists Bazunu being of Nigerian descent as a reason that he is highly rated. 

Edited 23 August, 2023 by Saint_clark

[hypochondriac]

26 minutes ago, Dirkdiggler said:

Problem is most making comments have no idea about goalkeeping either.

I know enough to know that Niemi was an excellent keeper and we haven't had a better one since. I also know enough to see a number of weaknesses in Bazunu's game (was good enough last week though, long may it continue.)

[Saint_clark]

Have to admit I might have to concede the debate now that Dirkdiggler is quoting someone with this in depth level of football knowledge...

[Dirkdiggler]

2 hours ago, Saint_clark said:

Have to admit I might have to concede the debate now that Dirkdiggler is quoting someone with this in depth level of football knowledge...

Good to hear now jog on 

[Saint_clark]

1 hour ago, Dirkdiggler said:

Good to hear now jog on 

Your son is still shit, Mr Bazunu. 

[derry]

2 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

Your son is still shit, Mr Bazunu. 

This has just become boring repetitive stupidity that offers nothing of any interest. 

[Whitey Grandad]

13 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Historically, 'keepers didn't have Janny fucking B, DCC or Lyanco in front of them....

Bednarek had been virtually standing in Bazunu’s toes when he first came back.

[Saint_clark]

4 minutes ago, derry said:

This has just become boring repetitive stupidity that offers nothing of any interest. 

I agree. All I did was update a stat that I said in advance I was going to update. 

[derry]

I've nothing of interest to add and by the looks of this thread neither does anyone else.

[FarehamSaintJames]

Watch him pull off some worldie saves in the coming weeks and see how clark focus’ on the short pass to the defender that nearly got intercepted…

…last season. 🤣

Derry hit the nail on the head, as have a few now including me. There is nothing more to add. Some just have their hatred for someone for little to no reason. People like that can’t be changed.

🤣

Edited 23 August, 2023 by FarehamSaintJames

[Saint_clark]

14 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

Watch him pull off some worldie saves in the coming weeks and see how clark focus’ on the short pass to the defender that nearly got intercepted…

…last season. 🤣

Derry hit the nail on the head, as have a few now including me. There is nothing more to add. Some just have their hatred for someone for little to no reason. People like that can’t be changed.

🤣

I've given him praise in the past. This has escalated in a bizarre way. I literally just posted his save percentage stat. 

I have no hatred for him. Do I think he's shit? Yes. Do I think he has potential? Yes. Do I think he'll reach it? I'm doubtful, and certainly not this season. He is at very best a huge gamble to have as our number one. 

My opinion of Bazunu is far less vitriolic than some of the things spouted on here about Elyounoussi, Onuachu, Armstrong, Aribo or even Che Adams. 

[notnowcato]

55 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

I've given him praise in the past. This has escalated in a bizarre way. I literally just posted his save percentage stat. 

I have no hatred for him. Do I think he's shit? Yes. Do I think he has potential? Yes. Do I think he'll reach it? I'm doubtful, and certainly not this season. He is at very best a huge gamble to have as our number one. 

My opinion of Bazunu is far less vitriolic than some of the things spouted on here about Elyounoussi, Onuachu, Armstrong, Aribo or even Che Adams. 

Do I think you’ve made your point? 

[Saint_clark]

32 minutes ago, notnowcato said:

Do I think you’ve made your point? 

I don't know, do you?

[Whitey Grandad]

11 hours ago, Saint_clark said:

I've given him praise in the past. This has escalated in a bizarre way. I literally just posted his save percentage stat. 

I have no hatred for him. Do I think he's shit? Yes. Do I think he has potential? Yes. Do I think he'll reach it? I'm doubtful, and certainly not this season. He is at very best a huge gamble to have as our number one. 

My opinion of Bazunu is far less vitriolic than some of the things spouted on here about Elyounoussi, Onuachu, Armstrong, Aribo or even Che Adams. 

But you don’t do that without having an agenda. The figure you have decided to use is meaningless yet you cannot see it as such. You have chosen to use it because you think it confirms your views. But it doesn’t.

’Team concede four goals. It must be the goalkeeper’s fault.’

[Saint_clark]

23 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

But you don’t do that without having an agenda. The figure you have decided to use is meaningless yet you cannot see it as such. You have chosen to use it because you think it confirms your views. But it doesn’t.

’Team concede four goals. It must be the goalkeeper’s fault.’

That's not what I'm saying at all. What I'm saying is "keeper concedes 3 out of every 4 shots on target, this is a problem if it carries on".

[Whitey Grandad]

5 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

That's not what I'm saying at all. What I'm saying is "keeper concedes 3 out of every 4 shots on target, this is a problem if it carries on".

There you go again. Why can you not see how meaningless this is?

[Saint_clark]

20 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

There you go again. Why can you not see how meaningless this is?

Over the course of a season, it's not meaningless. I'm just keeping track of it. 

If it was flipped and he saved 75% of all shots on target we'd be singing his praises for it.

[derry]

45 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

Over the course of a season, it's not meaningless. I'm just keeping track of it. 

If it was flipped and he saved 75% of all shots on target we'd be singing his praises for it.

So what are the statistics regarding the  shots he had no way of reaching, 6 out of 6 this season. You have become obsessed with pushing your view which really is unsustainable. Worse still you are keeping this useless thread going. Maybe the answer is to refrain from commenting and feeding your obsession. But you can't!

[Whitey Grandad]

51 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

Over the course of a season, it's not meaningless. I'm just keeping track of it. 

If it was flipped and he saved 75% of all shots on target we'd be singing his praises for it.

Over a season or over the rest of time, it is meaningless.

Once you come to accept this you will be on your path to redemption. 

[Saint_clark]

5 minutes ago, derry said:

So what are the statistics regarding the  shots he had no way of reaching, 6 out of 6 this season. You have become obsessed with pushing your view which really is unsustainable. Worse still you are keeping this useless thread going. Maybe the answer is to refrain from commenting and feeding your obsession. But you can't!

"Obsessed" mate I'm literally just replying to people who reply to me, it's how a forum works 😂 

[Jimbo]

Bazunu was rubbish last season. Our eyes told us that.  That said, everyone else was rubbish pretty much too - he is not single-handedly responsible.

given he isn’t been replaced, not much choice but to give him the benefit of the doubt. Let’s see if he can improve.

[Lord Duckhunter]

Just now, Jimbo said:

Bazunu was rubbish last season. Our eyes told us that.  That said, everyone else was rubbish pretty much too - 

But with everyone else we’re allowed to say they’re rubbish. When it comes to Baz it’s either an agenda, blind hatred or an obsession, and only happy Baz fans can post on the Baz thread.
 

Bloke goes 3 games without letting a soft goal in and we’re supposed to forget he’s appalling performances last season. 

[ashnats]

If we think save percentage is important, baz had a similar % shots saved last season as Ederson at man city, and had a higher saves per game ratio.  (And saved 50% of penalties). Ergo, if man city can win in the prem despite having such awful keeper stats, so can we in the championship?

[niceandfriendly]

He was a horror show in the Premier League last year, he'll most likely be a bit better this year. Close thread?

[Lighthouse]

9 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

But with everyone else we’re allowed to say they’re rubbish. When it comes to Baz it’s either an agenda, blind hatred or an obsession, and only happy Baz fans can post on the Baz thread.
 

Bloke goes 3 games without letting a soft goal in and we’re supposed to forget he’s appalling performances last season. 

That’s obviously not true though, is it. I think most Saints fans would agree Baz wasn’t up to it in the PL last season, but we’re not in that league now. I think he’ll do a decent job at this level and many people agree, including those running the club. This argument seems to have come from those insisting that we get rid of him, that we’ve definitely got the worst keepers in the Championship and that we certainly won’t get promoted with him in goal.

 

Certain posters keep banging on about some meaningless stat which would literally have been better if Plymouth had hit three daisy cutters at Baz from 30 yards out and a goal we might have conceded, if a striker hadn’t been offside.

[Neef]

Last year was a recipe for disaster for any young player trying to develop. 

Played under 3 managers with 3 contrasting styles - all of which weren't that effective.

For Baz he had a continually changing, largely inexperienced backine infront of him. The one thing that stood out to me was the quality of chances we would conceded. I always remember Brentford away where the goals were conceded largely unchallenged, and deep into the penalty area. Horrific for any GK's confidence, yet alone a 19 year old.

That being said, he of course made quite a few mistakes and really struggled for form from Jones onwards. The thing is, the mistakes are to be expected of young players. It's part of the gamble. It just so happened that because of our position, every mistake carried huge stakes.

All in all, he didn't play well for large stretches - but the environment he stepped into was not at all conducive for a young GK. 

There have been signs of improvements this season (he seems a bit more confident etc), but also signs of the same brittle defence in front of him. We seem to concede a lot of chances, and a core of Bednarek / Stephens doesn't fill me with optimism. Hopefully a CB arriving and more time for RM to implement his style will ease some of those issues.

[James G]

I'm not going to pretend I understand stats, but apparently there were positive stats that other clubs understand, and his scouting advised he didn't play as a number 1 keeper last season, but the team did it anyway 

Apparently goalkeeping improves with age at a different timeline to other positions, and he is doing well, above and beyond where he should be at.

 

[Weston Super Saint]

29 minutes ago, James G said:

 

Apparently goalkeeping improves with age at a different timeline to other positions, and he is doing well, above and beyond where he should be at.

 

McCarthy should be a world beater if that's the case, but we are where we are...

[Master Bates]

He's Unuzab backwards.

You can spell Uunzba out of his name as well, which is the sound of the mating call of a skate.

Take that with you to the next pub quiz.

Edited 24 August, 2023 by Master Bates

[James G]

1 hour ago, Master Bates said:

 

You can spell Uunzba out of his name as well, which is the sound of the mating call of a skate.

Never heard that. I presume I am unattractive to deep sea fish 

[Dirkdiggler]

Who would the forum experts have in goal out of the 3 keepers we have?

They all have issues.

[skintsaint]

15 minutes ago, Dirkdiggler said:

Who would the forum experts have in goal out of the 3 keepers we have?

They all have issues.

The forum experts or the GK's?

[Saint_clark]

6 hours ago, Dirkdiggler said:

Who would the forum experts have in goal out of the 3 keepers we have?

They all have issues.

McCarthy. As you said they all have issues, but McCarthy has experience, has excelled at this level before with Reading and has even put in top performances in the Prem (not very often I admit, but still more often than Bazunu). 

I actually would have preferred none of them, wanted to sign a new first choice from a team down here already and loan Baz out, but it's obvious we aren't signing another keeper now. I've accepted he's now our number one but that doesn't mean I have to stop being critical. 

[Galway saint]

6 hours ago, Dirkdiggler said:

Who would the forum experts have in goal out of the 3 keepers we have?

They all have issues.

None of them - probably try and convert one of the outfield players to play rush keeper as distribution seems the priority rather than saving shots- perhaps larios 

the point is the club has made a total hash of the GK position 

 

 

[Whitey Grandad]

3 hours ago, Saint_clark said:

McCarthy. As you said they all have issues, but McCarthy has experience, has excelled at this level before with Reading and has even put in top performances in the Prem (not very often I admit, but still more often than Bazunu). 

I actually would have preferred none of them, wanted to sign a new first choice from a team down here already and loan Baz out, but it's obvious we aren't signing another keeper now. I've accepted he's now our number one but that doesn't mean I have to stop being critical. 

You cannot be serious. At the end of last season his performances were woeful. I cannot forgive that goal he let in at home to Bournemouth. A pathetic dribble of a shot that he didn’t react to until it had rolled past him

[Saint_clark]

21 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

You cannot be serious. At the end of last season his performances were woeful. I cannot forgive that goal he let in at home to Bournemouth. A pathetic dribble of a shot that he didn’t react to until it had rolled past him

Interesting you remember a mistake he made last season but you repeatedly defend on the numerous mistakes Bazunu made, including one goal palming it into his own net. 

Also interesting that the case for Bazunu this season seems to revolve around us being a league lower and him being more suited to this level but that doesn't apply to McCarthy, who has actually played and succeeded here before. 

[Dman]

4 hours ago, Saint_clark said:

McCarthy. As you said they all have issues, but McCarthy has experience, has excelled at this level before with Reading and has even put in top performances in the Prem (not very often I admit, but still more often than Bazunu). 

I actually would have preferred none of them, wanted to sign a new first choice from a team down here already and loan Baz out, but it's obvious we aren't signing another keeper now. I've accepted he's now our number one but that doesn't mean I have to stop being critical. 

McCarthy cannot play a single minute under Martin. I was there at the bournemouth game pre-season where he had an absolute shit show with the ball at his feet. Playing McCarthy would be an absolute disaster. 

Edited 25 August, 2023 by Dman

[Whitey Grandad]

1 hour ago, Saint_clark said:

Interesting you remember a mistake he made last season but you repeatedly defend on the numerous mistakes Bazunu made, including one goal palming it into his own net. 

Also interesting that the case for Bazunu this season seems to revolve around us being a league lower and him being more suited to this level but that doesn't apply to McCarthy, who has actually played and succeeded here before. 

I remember everything.

Except when he is supposed to have palmed the ball into his own net. Please remind me.

I defend Bazunu not because he is good but because he is not bad. McCarthy has been bad for a long time. He has ballophobia.

[Galway saint]

9 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said:

I remember everything.

Except when he is supposed to have palmed the ball into his own net. Please remind me.

I defend Bazunu not because he is good but because he is not bad. McCarthy has been bad for a long time. He has ballophobia.

Think you are confusing ballaphobia work saveofpjobia; the fear of making a save.

[FarehamSaintJames]

Waiting on the Bazunu comments for conceding 👀

[AlexLaw76]

Just now, FarehamSaintJames said:

Waiting on the Bazunu comments for conceding 👀

Nothing he could do there...terrible defending though

[Harry_SFC]

Another pretty decent display. Made one very good save on the first half and held the ball well from crosses. This is probably his level. 

[The Cat]

Solid game. Very good save in the first half and commanded his 6 yard box well. 

Whoever said McCarthy should be playing is so wrong it's laughable. Imagine him trying to play the ball out calmly like Bazunu did today.

[FarehamSaintJames]

There’s going to be a number of regulars on this thread that disagree with the above feedback.

Just waiting patiently… 🤣🍿

[Saint_clark]

On 19/08/2023 at 14:29, Saint_clark said:

He's conceded 75% of shots on target so far this season.

6 out of 8.

Save rate of 25%.

He's now conceded 53% of shots on target.

7 out of 13.

Save rate of 47%. 

[saintant]

Glad to see he's growing game by game. Not his biggest fan but he's beginning to turn that round so fair play to the lad.

[Convict Colony]

On 27/07/2023 at 16:30, Convict Colony said:

Am predicting Baz plays well and makes no mistakes for the month of August.

Let's revisit this statement in September 👌

[S-Clarke]

He won us that game today, first time I've been able to say that with him as our GK.

As has been said, time to just back him. He is our number 1.

[spyinthesky]

21 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

He won us that game today, first time I've been able to say that with him as our GK.

As has been said, time to just back him. He is our number 1.

Spot on.
As far as I could see the save in the first half was a worldly and he made a couple of other decent stops as well.
An 8+/10 for me today.
We are definitely going through a lucky spell at the moment but, as the saying says, you make your own luck.
 

[S-Clarke]

Just now, spyinthesky said:

Spot on.
As far as I could see the save in the first half was a worldly and he made a couple of other decent stops as well.
An 8+/10 for me today.
We are definitely going through a lucky spell at the moment but, as the saying says, you make your own luck.
 

That was the save that stood out for me, the one where the guy was offside just after? I think it was Chair who had that initial shot, such a good save.