Gavin Bazunu

[Whitey Grandad]

  On 19/08/2023 at 16:07, Saint_clark said:

Because it's easier to keep track of it that way than trying to look it up halfway through the season. 

Expand  

And today proves what a waste of time that is.

[Saint_clark]

  On 19/08/2023 at 16:20, ErwinK1961 said:

It’s no though is it. You can look it up at any point. You’re just posting it as some weird way to knock Bazunu when he hasn’t done anything wrong. Weird support.

Expand  

You might be able to, but I wouldn't know where to look. So it's easier to take 5 seconds to update my previous tally.

[Saint_clark]

  On 19/08/2023 at 18:09, Whitey Grandad said:

And today proves what a waste of time that is.

Expand  

Sometimes there are shots that keepers "can't do anything about" and they somehow manage to keep it out anyway. He never has. 

[ErwinK1961]

  On 19/08/2023 at 18:48, Saint_clark said:

You might be able to, but I wouldn't know where to look. So it's easier to take 5 seconds to update my previous tally.

Expand  

Melt.

[Saint_clark]

  On 19/08/2023 at 18:51, ErwinK1961 said:

Melt.

Expand  

One game where he did nothing doesn't mean he isn't shit anymore.

[Whitey Grandad]

  On 19/08/2023 at 18:48, Saint_clark said:

Sometimes there are shots that keepers "can't do anything about" and they somehow manage to keep it out anyway. He never has. 

Expand  

That’s nonsense. If they “can’t do anything about” a shot then by definition they won’t manage to keep it out.

Give up with your ridiculous vendetta, will you, and take your ‘shots on target’ idiocy with you.

[Whitey Grandad]

  On 19/08/2023 at 19:02, Saint_clark said:

One game where he did nothing doesn't mean he isn't shit anymore.

Expand  

Er...

There’s logic and there’s WTF?

[ErwinK1961]

  On 19/08/2023 at 19:02, Saint_clark said:

One game where he did nothing doesn't mean he isn't shit anymore.

Expand  

So you’re admitting your posting that stat to try and prove how shit he is then? Even though he’s done nowt wrong this season.

Edited 19 August, 2023 by ErwinK1961

[AlexLaw76]

He was good today. When you compare their keeper trying to play the ball from his own box, it was light years apart.

[Harry_SFC]

  On 19/08/2023 at 19:19, AlexLaw76 said:

He was good today. When you compare their keeper trying to play the ball from his own box, it was light years apart.

Expand  

I noticed that. Their defence certainly weren't comfortable on the ball either. 

[Saint_clark]

  On 19/08/2023 at 19:18, ErwinK1961 said:

So you’re admitting your posting that stat to try and prove how shit he is then? Even though he’s done nowt wrong this season.

Expand  

Er, yes. I am of the opinion based on the evidence of my eyes and the stats that he is shit. 

He's done nowt wrong this season so far but has got lucky a couple of times with referee calls helping him out. He was nowhere near the ball when the Plymouth player went through today and if he hadnt decided to dive would have been around him. 

[Lighthouse]

  On 19/08/2023 at 19:38, Saint_clark said:

Er, yes. I am of the opinion based on the evidence of my eyes and the stats that he is shit. 

He's done nowt wrong this season so far but has got lucky a couple of times with referee calls helping him out. He was nowhere near the ball when the Plymouth player went through today and if he hadnt decided to dive would have been around him. 

Expand  

So your criticism of him today is that he might have conceded from a 1 on 1 with a player who was unmarked, but he didn’t?

Have any other keepers ever conceded from a striker 1v1, through on goal? Buffon perhaps or Lev Yashin?

[skintsaint]

Saint Clark having a mare here.

[ErwinK1961]

  On 19/08/2023 at 19:38, Saint_clark said:

Er, yes. I am of the opinion based on the evidence of my eyes and the stats that he is shit. 

He's done nowt wrong this season so far but has got lucky a couple of times with referee calls helping him out. He was nowhere near the ball when the Plymouth player went through today and if he hadnt decided to dive would have been around him. 

Expand  

So you’re posting a stat, that has zero relevance to his performance this season, to justify your opinion? Mare.

“If he hadn’t decided to dive, would have been around him” - imagine a goalkeeper diving, how bizarre.

You’re trying to find problems which aren’t there right now. No doubt you’ll get your opportunity at various points this season to hammer your point home, but right now he’s done nothing wrong so get behind him.

 

[Guest]

  On 19/08/2023 at 19:59, skintsaint said:

Saint Clark having a mare here.

Expand  

For Saint Clark: 🖕🏻

Nothing more. 😂

[Whitey Grandad]

  On 19/08/2023 at 19:38, Saint_clark said:

Er, yes. I am of the opinion based on the evidence of my eyes and the stats that he is shit. 

He's done nowt wrong this season so far but has got lucky a couple of times with referee calls helping him out. He was nowhere near the ball when the Plymouth player went through today and if he hadnt decided to dive would have been around him. 

Expand  

It’s time you came to learn that what you call ‘stats’ are not evidence. They are random numbers. If you think there is some meaning or significance in them then I predict a stellar career for you in reading tea leaves. Bird entrails even.

 

[Saint_clark]

  On 19/08/2023 at 20:16, ErwinK1961 said:

So you’re posting a stat, that has zero relevance to his performance this season, to justify your opinion? Mare.

“If he hadn’t decided to dive, would have been around him” - imagine a goalkeeper diving, how bizarre.

 

Expand  

If the striker hadnt dived, genius.

  On 19/08/2023 at 20:55, Whitey Grandad said:

It’s time you came to learn that what you call ‘stats’ are not evidence. They are random numbers. If you think there is some meaning or significance in them then I predict a stellar career for you in reading tea leaves. Bird entrails even.

 

Expand  

3 goals in 3 games for Che adams. Not a decent start to the season, just random numbers. 

[Fan The Flames]

  On 20/08/2023 at 03:36, Saint_clark said:

If the striker hadnt dived, genius.

Expand  

To be fair, your sentance reads as though you're talking about Baz diving. He had a good game yesterday.

[Baird of the land]

  On 19/08/2023 at 19:19, AlexLaw76 said:

He was good today. When you compare their keeper trying to play the ball from his own box, it was light years apart.

Expand  

He was average today. Made an error playing out early on, would still view the rush out as rather rash. Can’t really judge shot stopping as apart from their goal I can’t remember any shots he had to save.

 

[Smirking_Saint]

  On 20/08/2023 at 03:36, Saint_clark said:

If the striker hadnt dived, genius.

3 goals in 3 games for Che adams. Not a decent start to the season, just random numbers. 

Expand  

Put the spade down, you’re going the wrong way

[Whitey Grandad]

  On 20/08/2023 at 03:36, Saint_clark said:

If the striker hadnt dived, genius.

3 goals in 3 games for Che adams. Not a decent start to the season, just random numbers. 

Expand  

Different numbers, different stats.

[Convict Colony]

  On 19/08/2023 at 19:38, Saint_clark said:

Er, yes. I am of the opinion based on the evidence of my eyes and the stats that he is shit. 

He's done nowt wrong this season so far but has got lucky a couple of times with referee calls helping him out. He was nowhere near the ball when the Plymouth player went through today and if he hadnt decided to dive would have been around him. 

Expand  

[S-Clarke]

  On 20/08/2023 at 03:36, Saint_clark said:

If the striker hadnt dived, genius.

3 goals in 3 games for Che adams. Not a decent start to the season, just random numbers. 

Expand  

You're having an absolute nightmare here to be honest.

[miserableoldgit]

  On 19/08/2023 at 13:37, James said:

Credit where credit is due. I thought he looked much better today. 

Expand  

How much of this do you think is due to the unwavering public vote of confidence that RM gave him at the Forum (and presumably behind the scenes) compared with the absolute battering that he gets on various forums and from the fans?

[Lord Duckhunter]

  On 20/08/2023 at 10:43, miserableoldgit said:

How much of this do you think is due to the unwavering public vote of confidence that RM gave him at the Forum (and presumably behind the scenes) compared with the absolute battering that he gets on various forums and from the fans?

Expand  

None. It had more to do with Plymouth only having two shots on target. 

[miserableoldgit]

  On 20/08/2023 at 10:46, Lord Duckhunter said:

None. It had more to do with Plymouth only having two shots on target. 

Expand  

Oh yes......of course it was. No mention of the confidence going for the punch clearances when we were under pressure near the end? 

[Baird of the land]

  On 20/08/2023 at 10:46, Lord Duckhunter said:

None. It had more to do with Plymouth only having two shots on target. 

Expand  

one was the goal. What was the other one, i can't think of anything of note?

[Saint_clark]

  On 20/08/2023 at 08:38, S-Clarke said:

You're having an absolute nightmare here to be honest.

Expand  

Only perceived that way because it was a game where he had very little to do and was saved his blushes when rushing out because the striker inexplicably dived. He also cocked about with it when passing the ball out and we nearly conceded that way. 

Once we get to a game where one of his cock ups is punished there'll be less of a backlash to me updating this stat. He's looking "better" now not because of improved performances but because the players he's up against are a lot worse and a lot less capable of punishing him. 

Edited 20 August, 2023 by Saint_clark

[ErwinK1961]

He still doesn’t get it 😂 - pathetic.

[Saint_clark]

  On 20/08/2023 at 12:23, ErwinK1961 said:

He still doesn’t get it 😂 - pathetic.

Expand  

I presented the stat without any opinion attached, it's you lot that took this further. 

Why don't we just wait and see what happens and if he turns me around I'm more than happy to hold my hands up and admit so.

[Polegategavin243]

  On 20/08/2023 at 12:19, Saint_clark said:

Only perceived that way because it was a game where he had very little to do and was saved his blushes when rushing out because the striker inexplicably dived. He also cocked about with it when passing the ball out and we nearly conceded that way. 

Once we get to a game where one of his cock ups is punished there'll be less of a backlash to me updating this stat. He's looking "better" now not because of improved performances but because the players he's up against are a lot worse and a lot less capable of punishing him. 

Expand  

When was the “cocking about with it” event(s) in the game yesterday. He actually seemed to be much more assured and not messing about with the ball yesterday, unlike both our centre backs who got away with at least a couple each where Plymouth nearly nicked the ball.

[Baird of the land]

  On 20/08/2023 at 12:39, Polegategavin243 said:

When was the “cocking about with it” event(s) in the game yesterday. He actually seemed to be much more assured and not messing about with the ball yesterday, unlike both our centre backs who got away with at least a couple each where Plymouth nearly nicked the ball.

Expand  

First half he passed the ball straight to a plymouth striker, fortunately they messed up the attack.

[Saint_clark]

  On 20/08/2023 at 12:39, Polegategavin243 said:

When was the “cocking about with it” event(s) in the game yesterday. He actually seemed to be much more assured and not messing about with the ball yesterday, unlike both our centre backs who got away with at least a couple each where Plymouth nearly nicked the ball.

Expand  

I didn't make a note of the exact time. If I had, no doubt I'd have been attacked similarly to how I have for presenting the stats on his save record. Which in case you've forgotten so far says you will score a goal with every 4 shots on target.

[coalman]

  On 20/08/2023 at 12:50, Saint_clark said:

I didn't make a note of the exact time. If I had, no doubt I'd have been attacked similarly to how I have for presenting the stats on his save record. Which in case you've forgotten so far says you will score a goal with every 4 shots on target.

Expand  

That's not how stats work. You can say they have scored a goal for every 4 shots on target but you cannot say will. And that's before the gross over simplification that all shots or chances are equal.

[Guest]

Having a mare, Clarky

Edited 20 August, 2023 by FarehamSaintJames

[Saint_clark]

  On 20/08/2023 at 13:10, coalman said:

That's not how stats work. You can say they have scored a goal for every 4 shots on target but you cannot say will. And that's before the gross over simplification that all shots or chances are equal.

Expand  

That's why I'm keeping track of it to see how it progresses. 

[Saint_clark]

  On 20/08/2023 at 13:11, FarehamSaintJames said:

Having a mare, Clarky

Expand  

We'll see. My opinion is he's shit and will never come good. Let's see how he progresses 👍

[Whitey Grandad]

  On 20/08/2023 at 12:32, Saint_clark said:

I presented the stat without any opinion attached, it's you lot that took this further. 

Why don't we just wait and see what happens and if he turns me around I'm more than happy to hold my hands up and admit so.

Expand  

“the stat”

You still don’t get it. 

[Guest]

  On 20/08/2023 at 13:13, Saint_clark said:

We'll see. My opinion is he's shit and will never come good. Let's see how he progresses 👍

Expand  

He’s not world class by a long way. He was poor last season but then again as was everyone, plus the judgement by the club that a player of his age could go from League One to the Premier League was baffling. That I agree with.

As for this season so far, he hasn’t done anything to affect a game negatively yet. Jury’s out for him at this time.

[Whitey Grandad]

  On 20/08/2023 at 12:50, Saint_clark said:

I didn't make a note of the exact time. If I had, no doubt I'd have been attacked similarly to how I have for presenting the stats on his save record. Which in case you've forgotten so far says you will score a goal with every 4 shots on target.

Expand  

“shots on target”

When will you ever learn?

[Whitey Grandad]

  On 20/08/2023 at 13:11, Saint_clark said:

That's why I'm keeping track of it to see how it progresses. 

Expand  

You’re wasting your time. You are free to waste yours but please don’t waste mine.

[Saint86]

He's a good keeper for this level and for how we want to play. Clearly has a very strong mentality and self confidence, and he's got the potential to become a very good keeper. 

His saves / post shot expected goals ratio was poor last year, sure... but in fairness to him, statistically the stats he's being compared against weren't from other defences spontaneously assisting the strikers with no/little warning. 

[S-Clarke]

  On 20/08/2023 at 13:13, Saint_clark said:

We'll see. My opinion is he's shit and will never come good. Let's see how he progresses 👍

Expand  

So I was right yesterday, your posts are fully agenda driven.

[Saint_clark]

  On 20/08/2023 at 13:16, Whitey Grandad said:

You’re wasting your time. You are free to waste yours but please don’t waste mine.

Expand  

I'm not forcing you to reply to my posts. I'm fully entitled to post on here same as anyone else.

  On 20/08/2023 at 13:26, S-Clarke said:

So I was right yesterday, your posts are fully agenda driven.

Expand  

I've never hidden the fact that I think he's shit. I am still fully open to changing my opinion. 

[Fan The Flames]

I don't buy that Hardie would definitely have score if he hadn't dive, still has a bit to do. Although the incident isn't on the highlights, so can't check. What I do know is that it was never a penalty, I can't believe that's even a question. 

[The Kraken]

  On 20/08/2023 at 13:47, Fan The Flames said:

I don't buy that Hardie would definitely have score if he hadn't dive, still has a bit to do. Although the incident isn't on the highlights, so can't check. What I do know is that it was never a penalty, I can't believe that's even a question. 

Expand  

It’s at 4.50 on this video. The striker could have scored but he touched the ball quite hard past Bazunu so I think he’d have been shooting from a pretty tight angle. I wouldn’t at all say he would’ve definitely scored but he’d have had a reasonable chance either to shoot from a tight angle or control it and either bring it back to shoot or play in an onrushing midfielder (though Saints also had two or three others charging back to cover in addition to the central defenders).

I thought it was rash from Bazunu to commit so much for it but fair play, he controlled his dive and it absolutely was not a foul imo.

 

 

Edited 20 August, 2023 by The Kraken

[Fan The Flames]

  On 20/08/2023 at 13:55, The Kraken said:

It’s at 4.50 on this video. The attacked could have scored but he touched the ball quite hard past Bazunu so I I think he’d have been shooting from a pretty tight angle. I wouldn’t at all say he would’ve definitely scored but he’d have had a reasonable chance either to shoot from a tight angle or control it and either bring it back to shoot or play in an untrusting midfielder (though Saints also had two or three others charging back to cover in addition to the central defenders).

I thought it was rash from Bazunu to come out for it but fair play, he controlled his dive and it absolutely was not a foul imo.

Expand  

Thanks, yes still a lot to do and his heavy touch didn't help him. You're righta bit rash but he control himself. 

Also haven't the rules changed a bit this year regarding goalkeepers fouling forwards.

[St. Ciervo]

Baz's confident charge out put pressure on Hardie and forced the bad touch, no? If Baz sits back, Hardie turns in and has time to line up a dangerous shot on goal. Imagine what Clark might have said then...

Dangerous run turned out to be harmless. Great job, Baz.

[Guest]

I’d like to know how Clark reacted when RM said on Tuesday at the forum that he was fully behind Baz.

Did he break a bottle? Throw the remote at the TV? Driving rampage? What happened 👀

[The Kraken]

  On 20/08/2023 at 17:14, St. Ciervo said:

Baz's confident charge out put pressure on Hardie and forced the bad touch, no? If Baz sits back, Hardie turns in and has time to line up a dangerous shot on goal. Imagine what Clark might have said then...

Dangerous run turned out to be harmless. Great job, Baz.

Expand  

I wouldn’t say it was a “great” job tbf. And I’m not being critical of Bazunu either, i think he did ok in the situation.  Watch it back on the video and Bazunu has a really good starting position, he’s almost on the edge of the area doing the sweeper keeper thing. When I first saw I thought he was a bit reckless diving in as he did, but I also praise him for that dive being well controlled so as not to clean out the attacker. It worked out ok, no error as I see it, but also not great in the same breath in that the situation played out to his fortune. If the striker had not gone looking for the dive and just knocked it past, it’s a different story and no-one has any idea how it turns out (I’ve seen comments on here saying it’s an easy goal but I disagree with that, although it definitely would’ve given a genuine chance). Anyway, no harm no foul, it came to nothing. Tge major fault lies with the striker who tried to cheat his way to a penalty.

 

Edited 20 August, 2023 by The Kraken