Israel

[Weston Super Saint]

7 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

The whatabout response might be to say that if Israel hadn't illegally occupied parts of the West Bank the Hamas attack might not have happened. There is a circular argument over cause and effect that can be dragged back to before WW2, but neither side of it can hide the fact that it is a shit show with no obvious solution, and hundreds, if not thousands, of innocent people will continue to die whilst arrogant, power hungry politicians, elected or self-appointed, play their ego games.

Equally there is a circular argument that each side claims their deity gave them explicit permission to occupy the land, which reaches back hundreds of years.

[badgerx16]

1 hour ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Equally there is a circular argument that each side claims their deity gave them explicit permission to occupy the land, which reaches back hundreds of years.

And ironically, the 2 deities are effectively one and the same.

[egg]

1 hour ago, The Kraken said:

Hamas have suspended their prisoner release.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c2056vkpkrgt

For context, Israel have seemingly breached the agreement to allow aid in and injured people out. Hopefully they can sort it out sharpish and get the Israeli hostages and Palestinian captives home. 

[Weston Super Saint]

38 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

And ironically, the 2 deities are effectively one and the same.

Twas ever thus.

[whelk]

56 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

And ironically, the 2 deities are effectively one and the same.

Not so

[badgerx16]

1 hour ago, whelk said:

Not so

Christianity and Islam are firmly rooted in Judaism, they all share prophets across their history, and the Torah is considered to be a Holy book in Islam..

Edited Monday at 21:07 by badgerx16

[whelk]

42 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Christianity and Islam are firmly rooted in Judaism, they all share prophets across their history, and the Torah is considered to be a Holy book in Islam..

I know that but the Christian god is not the same as Muslim’s. Muslim’s clearly don’t believe in Christ’s deity which is the fundamental of the gospel and the whole faith.

[badgerx16]

51 minutes ago, whelk said:

I know that but the Christian god is not the same as Muslim’s. Muslim’s clearly don’t believe in Christ’s deity which is the fundamental of the gospel and the whole faith.

2 faces of the same coin, just as Protestants don't belive in transsubstantiation.

[Lighthouse]

I thought we were the people’s front?

[badgerx16]

4 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

I thought we were the people’s front?

Splitter.

[hypochondriac]

U secretary general has told Hamas to proceed with the deal as planned. 

[egg]

"Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, who says that Israel has "failed to keep its promises" regarding the ceasefire deal.

Speaking to press afterwards, Erdogan adds "the Israeli occupation should end once and for all". Their occupation "remains the core problem", he adds.

Erdogan says Turkey is sending aid to Gaza, and will continue to do so, while also calling for the establishment of an independent Palestinian state".

Some sense at last. 

[hypochondriac]

Israel currently demanding that Hamas release their hostages as agreed by Saturday or they will resume fighting. As usual, the ball is in Hamas' court regarding what happens next. 

[aintforever]

54 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Israel currently demanding that Hamas release their hostages as agreed by Saturday or they will resume fighting. As usual, the ball is in Hamas' court regarding what happens next. 

Assuming Israel has kept their side of the deal.

[egg]

31 minutes ago, aintforever said:

Assuming Israel has kept their side of the deal.

Which they seemingly haven't. I'm not sure Israel are saying that the Palestinian captives will be released on Saturday in exchange as per the original deal. Both sides need to do the right thing but it won't stop dinlo's like Hypo struggling to see that.