hypochondriac Posted 7 December, 2024 Posted 7 December, 2024 Everyone with an interest in the conflict should listen to this. If you ignore the disgraceful people who can't listen to people talk who they disagree with, this speaker is 100% correct. https://x.com/jonsac/status/1865355843740344393?t=kY-UmxHcbZcHROTeXBuaNQ&s=19 1
egg Posted 7 December, 2024 Author Posted 7 December, 2024 4 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: Everyone with an interest in the conflict should listen to this. If you ignore the disgraceful people who can't listen to people talk who they disagree with, this speaker is 100% correct. https://x.com/jonsac/status/1865355843740344393?t=kY-UmxHcbZcHROTeXBuaNQ&s=19 What's objective about the opinion piece of the son of a holocaust survivor and the grandfather of a Rabbi? Do you listen to or read stuff from biased people with a contrary view to you?
hypochondriac Posted 7 December, 2024 Posted 7 December, 2024 (edited) 9 minutes ago, egg said: What's objective about the opinion piece of the son of a holocaust survivor and the grandfather of a Rabbi? Do you listen to or read stuff from biased people with a contrary view to you? If I attend or consume content from the Oxford Union then yes. That's the reason for it's existence. Where did I claim the view in the video was unbiased? Like the speaker himself says, it's one side of an argument. He's also correct. Edited 7 December, 2024 by hypochondriac 1
egg Posted 7 December, 2024 Author Posted 7 December, 2024 1 minute ago, hypochondriac said: If I attend or consume content from the Oxford debating society then yes. That's the reason for it's existence. Where did I claim the view in the video was unbiased? Like the speaker himself says, it's one side of an argument. He's also correct. What irks is your suggestion that people who take the opposite view to you "should" watch something that you acknowledge is biased. I don't have to do that and won', in the same way I'm in little doubt that you wouldn't take any interest in any a biased pro Palestinian opinion piece. 1 1
hypochondriac Posted 7 December, 2024 Posted 7 December, 2024 2 minutes ago, egg said: What irks is your suggestion that people who take the opposite view to you "should" watch something that you acknowledge is biased. I don't have to do that and won', in the same way I'm in little doubt that you wouldn't take any interest in any a biased pro Palestinian opinion piece. It's literally one side of the argument from the Oxford Union. I'd post the link to both side of the argument and suggest you watch that video, except that the Oxford Union edited parts out so it's not a true reflection of the argument. I'd still suggest you watch it and grapple with what is being said but as you've already said you won't I suspect that's a futile effort which is a shame really. 1
egg Posted 7 December, 2024 Author Posted 7 December, 2024 1 minute ago, hypochondriac said: It's literally one side of the argument from the Oxford Union. I'd post the link to both side of the argument and suggest you watch that video, except that the Oxford Union edited parts out so it's not a true reflection of the argument. I'd still suggest you watch it and grapple with what is being said but as you've already said you won't I suspect that's a futile effort which is a shame really. The debate has been done to death mate and I won't spend time listening to biased people expressing their opinions. You're correct though that nothing will persuade me that Israel are ok to grab land in the west bank, settle, abuse Palestinians, smash Gaza to pieces, oppose a Palestinian state, etc. 1 2
hypochondriac Posted 7 December, 2024 Posted 7 December, 2024 6 minutes ago, egg said: The debate has been done to death mate and I won't spend time listening to biased people expressing their opinions. You're correct though that nothing will persuade me that Israel are ok to grab land in the west bank, settle, abuse Palestinians, smash Gaza to pieces, oppose a Palestinian state, etc. Lol. None so blind as those who cannot see. I suggest you steer clear of anything from the Oxford Union or indeed debates in general, lest you encounter an opposing argument. 1
egg Posted 7 December, 2024 Author Posted 7 December, 2024 Just now, hypochondriac said: Lol. None so blind as those who cannot see. I suggest you steer clear of anything from the Oxford Union or indeed debates in general, lest you encounter an opposing argument. Ha!! I'll await your analysis of how you've carefully considered the case for the Palestinians.
hypochondriac Posted 7 December, 2024 Posted 7 December, 2024 1 minute ago, egg said: Ha!! I'll await your analysis of how you've carefully considered the case for the Palestinians. Unlike you I've actually listened to it. 1
sadoldgit Posted 10 December, 2024 Posted 10 December, 2024 Apparently he is going to tell the truth, as he “remembers it”. https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2024/dec/10/benjamin-netanyahu-court-corruption-trial 1
sadoldgit Posted 22 December, 2024 Posted 22 December, 2024 And still it goes on… https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz9g4yl8j17o.amp 1
sadoldgit Posted January 13 Posted January 13 (edited) More grim news. https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2025/1/10/deaths-from-israeli-attacks-in-gaza-undercounted-by-41-percent-study-finds https://www.cbsnews.com/video/record-number-of-journalists-dead-in-gaza-war/ Edited January 13 by sadoldgit 1
sadoldgit Posted January 18 Posted January 18 Let us hope that both sides have the desire to make this work and that the emphasis now will be on finding a way to live together rather than killing each other. https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2025/1/17/israeli-cabinet-approves-gaza-ceasefire-deal 1
sadoldgit Posted January 18 Posted January 18 (edited) The IDF are still killing women and children despite the ceasefire due tomorrow. Will they continue to murder innocents right up to the last minute? https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/liveblog/2025/1/16/live-celebrations-in-gaza-as-israel-hamas-reach-ceasefire-deal Edited January 18 by sadoldgit 1
egg Posted January 18 Author Posted January 18 1 minute ago, sadoldgit said: The IDF are still killing women and children despite the ceasefire due tomorrow. Will they continue to murder innocents right up to the last minute? It's not a ceasefire until it's a ceasefire so yep they'll carry on. My gut feeling is it won't hold, and at best, it won't reach phase 2. 1
trousers Posted January 18 Posted January 18 16 minutes ago, egg said: It's not a ceasefire until it's a ceasefire so yep they'll carry on Was going to say the same thing. Both sides agreed to carry on fighting until tomorrow, ergo they're still fighting.... 1
egg Posted January 18 Author Posted January 18 39 minutes ago, trousers said: Was going to say the same thing. Both sides agreed to carry on fighting until tomorrow, ergo they're still fighting.... Not sure both sides have been fighting for a while.
badgerx16 Posted January 18 Posted January 18 1 hour ago, sadoldgit said: The IDF are still killing women and children despite the ceasefire due tomorrow. Will they continue to murder innocents right up to the last minute? https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/liveblog/2025/1/16/live-celebrations-in-gaza-as-israel-hamas-reach-ceasefire-deal In 1918, in the early morning of November 11th, the British army carried out a massive artillery barrage against German lines. Although the Armistice had been signed, it did not take effect untill 11:00 that day, and the army decided that it was easier to fire the shells than to transport them away and safely dispose of them.
trousers Posted January 18 Posted January 18 (edited) 26 minutes ago, egg said: Not sure both sides have been fighting for a while. I've no idea with regards this particular conflict as I haven't been following it closely enough to offer an informed and balanced viewpoint, but I was just talking about how a ceasefire works in principle (stating the obvious, I know) 👍 Edited January 18 by trousers 1
badgerx16 Posted January 18 Posted January 18 1 minute ago, trousers said: I've no idea with regards this particular conflict as I haven't been following it closely enough to offer an informed and balanced viewpoint, but I was talking about the principles of how a ceasefire works in principle 👍 In general they pick an agreed time to ensure that all units across the operational theatres can be given the information. Fighting in central Europe did not even stop at the time agreed in the German instrument of surrender in May 1945. Admittedly the area affected in this current conflict is very limited, but unless one side is completely annihilated this is the way these things work. 1
Weston Super Saint Posted January 19 Posted January 19 No ceasefire today by the look of things. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/ckg0znng8x2t Quote As a reminder: A ceasefire in Gaza was meant to come into effect about an hour ago, but Israel said this could not happen until Hamas announced which hostages it was planning to free today. According to the text of the ceasefire deal, names should be provided at least 24 hours before a release takes place.
egg Posted January 19 Author Posted January 19 31 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said: No ceasefire today by the look of things. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/ckg0znng8x2t "Israeli media is reporting that the names of the captives have now been handed over to Israel. The mechanism of this is that Hamas informs Qatar, the mediator, and then Qatar informs Israel. It looks like this has now been done. What we understand is that these are three women that are not soldiers – possibly over the age of 50, or minors – so this should technically mean that the ceasefire is now officially on. Usually there is still some form of delay in terms of attacks, but there was a feeling that this was simply going to be a delay, that this wasn’t going to be a derailing of the ceasefire". 2
rallyboy Posted January 19 Posted January 19 I cannot see how this is going to last to benefit ordinary Palestinians or Israelis. Peace is not top of the agenda for Hamas nor the Israeli government so both parties will take offence at any minor deviation to the agreement, both will feel aggrieved at any concession they make as part of a negotiation, so this framework for peace looks incredibly frail before they even get to discuss the more difficult stages to come. 1
sadoldgit Posted January 19 Posted January 19 There are members of Netanyahu’s cabinet who are not yet done with the killing and destruction of Gaza. He is under pressure to get the hostages back but also to keep the death rate going. Once the hostages are returned he will find a reason to carry on as before. Trump will see this ceasefire as a feather in his cap as he returns to office but it has been clear for some time that Netanyahu is worried more about staying out of jail and remaining in power for as long as possible than his relationship with the USA. Sadly I think that a long term peace solution is highly unlikely whilst Netanyahu and the hawks in his cabinet remain in post. 2
Lord Duckhunter Posted January 19 Posted January 19 Despite releasing terrorists Isreal looks safer than it was on 8th October 2023. If Hamas’ motivation was a Palestinian state then they’ve failed spectacularly and put that outcome back by a couple of generations. Iran also seem weaker today than they did a year ago. Hopefully The Donald will expand and develop The Abraham Accords and normalise relationships between peaceful Arab states and Isreal, bringing much needed calm to The Middle East. 1
hypochondriac Posted January 19 Posted January 19 Great to see pictures of the returned hostages looking relatively well given what they've been through. They need the others out as well but this is a good start.
hypochondriac Posted January 19 Posted January 19 2 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said: Animalistic terrorist scum. Let's hope someone let's off a live grenade in the middle of them and they all get blown to bits.
rallyboy Posted January 19 Posted January 19 1 hour ago, hypochondriac said: Animalistic terrorist scum. Let's hope someone let's off a live grenade in the middle of them and they all get blown to bits. That type of thing is probably covered in the ceasefire agreement - check the small print.
sadoldgit Posted January 19 Posted January 19 (edited) 2 hours ago, hypochondriac said: Animalistic terrorist scum. Let's hope someone let's off a live grenade in the middle of them and they all get blown to bits. The only good Muslim is a dead Muslim eh? No problem with the members of the IDF who kill women and children though? https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/10/damning-evidence-of-war-crimes-as-israeli-attacks-wipe-out-entire-families-in-gaza/ https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/world/videos-of-israeli-soldiers-acting-maliciously-emerge-amid-international-outcry-against-tactics-in-gaza Edited January 19 by sadoldgit 1 1
hypochondriac Posted January 20 Posted January 20 2 hours ago, sadoldgit said: The only good Muslim is a dead Muslim eh? No problem with the members of the IDF who kill women and children though? https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/10/damning-evidence-of-war-crimes-as-israeli-attacks-wipe-out-entire-families-in-gaza/ https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/world/videos-of-israeli-soldiers-acting-maliciously-emerge-amid-international-outcry-against-tactics-in-gaza I didn't mention Muslims. You did. I was talking about the terrorist scum in the video clip. 1 1
egg Posted January 20 Author Posted January 20 6 hours ago, hypochondriac said: I didn't mention Muslims. You did. I was talking about the terrorist scum in the video clip. I'm not sure you'll find too many catholic or protestant Hamas members. Regardless, it was a disgraceful comment. You'd have rightly been up in arms if a similar comment was made about "murderous idf leaders" or similar.
hypochondriac Posted January 20 Posted January 20 (edited) 37 minutes ago, egg said: I'm not sure you'll find too many catholic or protestant Hamas members. Regardless, it was a disgraceful comment. You'd have rightly been up in arms if a similar comment was made about "murderous idf leaders" or similar. LMAO. No it wasn't. If anything it was too mild. Show me where I mentioned all Muslims? Painful slow deaths to all who kidnap innocent people, hold them in captivity for over a year and commit terrorist acts like these evil cowards. What's disgraceful is thinking that comment is in any way disgraceful and seemingly it sounds like you're defending them. Edited January 20 by hypochondriac
whelk Posted January 20 Posted January 20 10 hours ago, sadoldgit said: The only good Muslim is a dead Muslim The mask slips again. Hard work keeping up with the flip flopping. Not all Muslims are evil SOG. Educate yourself 2
Turkish Posted January 20 Posted January 20 1 hour ago, egg said: I'm not sure you'll find too many catholic or protestant Hamas members. Regardless, it was a disgraceful comment. You'd have rightly been up in arms if a similar comment was made about "murderous idf leaders" or similar. Labelling hundreds of gun wielding terrorists surrounding 3 innocent women as murderous scum? I wouldn't say that's disgraceful i'd say that's accurate and would say it'd also be accurate whatever colour or religion they are. 2
Turkish Posted January 20 Posted January 20 10 hours ago, sadoldgit said: The only good Muslim is a dead Muslim eh? No problem with the members of the IDF who kill women and children though? https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/10/damning-evidence-of-war-crimes-as-israeli-attacks-wipe-out-entire-families-in-gaza/ https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/world/videos-of-israeli-soldiers-acting-maliciously-emerge-amid-international-outcry-against-tactics-in-gaza when there are hundreds of gun wielding IDF fanatics surrounding a small group of Palestinian hostages then we can comment on it. Get over yourself there are two sides to this, you only see one as you're so obsessed with not being seen as racist, too obsessed that it's blatant deflection.
egg Posted January 20 Author Posted January 20 1 hour ago, hypochondriac said: LMAO. No it wasn't. If anything it was too mild. Show me where I mentioned all Muslims? Painful slow deaths to all who kidnap innocent people, hold them in captivity for over a year and commit terrorist acts like these evil cowards. What's disgraceful is thinking that comment is in any way disgraceful and seemingly it sounds like you're defending them. You didn't have to mention the word Muslim when you're advocating blowing up a group of Muslims! Blimey. The rest is typically stupid. I've never defended the murderous Hamas in the way you've defended the murderous IDF, but I wouldn't want to see a group of their leaders blown up.
egg Posted January 20 Author Posted January 20 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Turkish said: when there are hundreds of gun wielding IDF fanatics surrounding a small group of Palestinian hostages then we can comment on it. Get over yourself there are two sides to this, you only see one as you're so obsessed with not being seen as racist, too obsessed that it's blatant deflection. It looked to me that those blokes were shielding them and making the transition happen. That said, the crowd cheering Hamas is a concern and I'd have thought their popularity might have dipped given the fall out from what they did. Edited January 20 by egg
hypochondriac Posted January 20 Posted January 20 1 minute ago, egg said: You didn't have to mention the word Muslim when you're advocating blowing up a group of Muslims! Blimey. The rest is typically stupid. I've never defended the murderous Hamas in the way you've defended the murderous IDF, but I wouldn't want to see a group of their leaders blown up. Yes I mentioned a group of Muslims. I didn't say all Muslims. Do you have difficulty reading? I'd quite happily see all those evil bastards who terrorise women and hold innocent people hostages put to death. Presumably you'd also be defending adebalajo in the same manner.
egg Posted January 20 Author Posted January 20 3 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: Yes I mentioned a group of Muslims. I didn't say all Muslims. Do you have difficulty reading? I'd quite happily see all those evil bastards who terrorise women and hold innocent people hostages put to death. Presumably you'd also be defending adebalajo in the same manner. Pathetic. If I mentioned killing a group of Nigerians I wouldn't have to mention that they were black. That much is obvious. And I'm not defending anyone, do you have difficulty reading? I'm criticising you. 1
hypochondriac Posted January 20 Posted January 20 5 minutes ago, egg said: Pathetic. If I mentioned killing a group of Nigerians I wouldn't have to mention that they were black. That much is obvious. And I'm not defending anyone, do you have difficulty reading? I'm criticising you. If you mentioned killing a group of Nigerian terrorists I wouldn't accuse you of wanting all Nigerians dead! Just the terrorist ones who hold innocent people hostage. See how it works? I'm not sure what you're finding difficult. You understand that kidnapping innocent people and commiting terrorist acts is a bad thing yes? 1
Turkish Posted January 20 Posted January 20 8 minutes ago, egg said: Pathetic. If I mentioned killing a group of Nigerians I wouldn't have to mention that they were black. That much is obvious. And I'm not defending anyone, do you have difficulty reading? I'm criticising you. is it? 1 1
egg Posted January 20 Author Posted January 20 53 minutes ago, Turkish said: is it? That's Ashleigh Plumptre, a white British lady born to white British parents in Leicester. She's about as Nigerian as a Greggs sausage roll.
egg Posted January 20 Author Posted January 20 56 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: If you mentioned killing a group of Nigerian terrorists I wouldn't accuse you of wanting all Nigerians dead! Just the terrorist ones who hold innocent people hostage. See how it works? I'm not sure what you're finding difficult. You understand that kidnapping innocent people and commiting terrorist acts is a bad thing yes? Not one person on here has suggested that the murderous acts by Hamas are anything other than abhorrent. Sadly, you're one of the few who see murderous acts by the IDF as acceptable though. Wanting to see a grenade dropped amongst Hamas members after a ceasefire has begun isn't sensible thinking, despite what you tell yourself.
Turkish Posted January 20 Posted January 20 7 minutes ago, egg said: That's Ashleigh Plumptre, a white British lady born to white British parents in Leicester. She's about as Nigerian as a Greggs sausage roll. She identifies as Nigerian so that all that matters. Bit racist to say all Nigerias are black 😜 1
hypochondriac Posted January 20 Posted January 20 (edited) 13 minutes ago, egg said: Not one person on here has suggested that the murderous acts by Hamas are anything other than abhorrent. Sadly, you're one of the few who see murderous acts by the IDF as acceptable though. Wanting to see a grenade dropped amongst Hamas members after a ceasefire has begun isn't sensible thinking, despite what you tell yourself. Another baseless claim. I never suggested the IDF should be the one throwing the hypothetical grenade, only that it would be a net positive if someone managed to do it. Maybe one of them could come to their senses and engage in some friendly fire. I stand staunchly for the eradication of extremist terrorists that seek to terrorise and murder and kidnap hostages. You agree that their actions are abhorrent so if they were taken out in the manner I describe presumably you wouldn't be upset about it. That's an awful lot of effort to go to if you're actually agreeing with me after all. Edited January 20 by hypochondriac
egg Posted January 20 Author Posted January 20 2 hours ago, hypochondriac said: Another baseless claim. I never suggested the IDF should be the one throwing the hypothetical grenade, only that it would be a net positive if someone managed to do it. Maybe one of them could come to their senses and engage in some friendly fire. I stand staunchly for the eradication of extremist terrorists that seek to terrorise and murder and kidnap hostages. You agree that their actions are abhorrent so if they were taken out in the manner I describe presumably you wouldn't be upset about it. That's an awful lot of effort to go to if you're actually agreeing with me after all. Your various posts on here are all evidence evidence Hypo. And I don't agree with you. It's pretty stupid to want to see Hamas people taken out just as a ceasefire has begun. On the wider point , I've always taken the view that eradicating idealism is impossible, and that's still so. Killing lots of Hamas people doesn't get rid of Hamas or what they stand for.
hypochondriac Posted January 20 Posted January 20 (edited) 19 minutes ago, egg said: Your various posts on here are all evidence evidence Hypo. And I don't agree with you. It's pretty stupid to want to see Hamas people taken out just as a ceasefire has begun. On the wider point , I've always taken the view that eradicating idealism is impossible, and that's still so. Killing lots of Hamas people doesn't get rid of Hamas or what they stand for. As I said, you have no evidence that I see murderous acts as acceptable. There is no evidence for that claim so it is baseless. If you have evidence for it then produce it rather than trying to smear me. You're more like soggy than you care to admit - throwing around insults with nothing specific to back it up. Killing the likes of Hezbollah has crippled them for a generation. Let's hope that enough Hamas have been killed to do the same to them. The goal is to weaken them to such a degree that they cannot pose a credible threat for a long time. I certainly won't be unhappy if murderous terrorist scum are killed. Edited January 20 by hypochondriac
aintforever Posted January 20 Posted January 20 1 hour ago, hypochondriac said: As I said, you have no evidence that I see murderous acts as acceptable. There is no evidence for that claim so it is baseless. If you have evidence for it then produce it rather than trying to smear me. You're more like soggy than you care to admit - throwing around insults with nothing specific to back it up. Killing the likes of Hezbollah has crippled them for a generation. Let's hope that enough Hamas have been killed to do the same to them. The goal is to weaken them to such a degree that they cannot pose a credible threat for a long time. I certainly won't be unhappy if murderous terrorist scum are killed. All that the killing has done is ensure that there will be much more in the future. It's the same old cycle just on a bigger scale and it will just carry on as before, unless there is some sort of roadmap to a two state solution. 1 1
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