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Farmer Saint

Farmer Saint

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3 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

The Dutch King and Dutch PM are going with anti-Semitic.

Interesting...wonder if they'll think the same when Netanyahu is invited to The Hague?

Attacking football fans because of the appalling things their Governments do on their behalf is not on - however I do wonder whether they'd have done the same had Jon Stewart and a few mates popped over to watch the football? Or is it because they came from Tel Aviv?

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The Kraken

The Kraken

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4 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Interesting...wonder if they'll think the same when Netanyahu is invited to The Hague?

Attacking football fans because of the appalling things their Governments do on their behalf is not on - however I do wonder whether they'd have done the same had Jon Stewart and a few mates popped over to watch the football? Or is it because they came from Tel Aviv?

Who knows with the thinking behind it. Though I did read a report on the bbc that said the attacks were planned via Telegram and groups were “going out to hunt Jews”. 

Obviously conflation between Israel and Judaism is quite common in some arenas.

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Farmer Saint

Farmer Saint

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Just now, The Kraken said:

Who knows with the thinking behind it. Though I did read a report on the bbc that said the attacks were planned via Telegram and groups were “going out to hunt Jews”. 

Obviously conflation between Israel and Judaism is quite common in some arenas.

Absolutely. Shouldn't happen though, especially in the country of Anne Frank. However, the Dutch are known for having a bunch of fuckwits as football fans.

Weston Super Saint

Weston Super Saint

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41 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

 

Does that also include children, and specifically 'The ages most represented among the dead were five to nine-year-olds'?

Are they also part of the Holy war?

 

 

Yes. See article 16 for the duties bestowed upon Muslim children during a holy war.

Farmer Saint

Farmer Saint

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11 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Yes. See article 16 for the duties bestowed upon Muslim children during a holy war.

Just wow.

I think you can go sit in the humanity vacuum which is my "ignore" list. You can sit in there and discuss how children are fair game in war as long as they're brown/Muslim.

I genuinely hope you never have to deal with the utter heartbreak of losing a child - whether they be black, white, Christian, Muslim, atheist - although it may teach to be something better than you are right now.

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whelk

whelk

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36 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

Who knows with the thinking behind it. Though I did read a report on the bbc that said the attacks were planned via Telegram and groups were “going out to hunt Jews”. 

Obviously conflation between Israel and Judaism is quite common in some arenas.

Ajax have Jewish roots as well so guess it wasn’t them?

Weston Super Saint

Weston Super Saint

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28 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Just wow.

I think you can go sit in the humanity vacuum which is my "ignore" list. You can sit in there and discuss how children are fair game in war as long as they're brown/Muslim.

I genuinely hope you never have to deal with the utter heartbreak of losing a child - whether they be black, white, Christian, Muslim, atheist - although it may teach to be something better than you are right now.

Bless you.

It's not my charter and I've offered no opinion. All I've done is point you in the direction of the 'source' you requested.

Just because you don't understand what the charter is saying, that's a you problem.

But it does confirm that the intricacies of religion in the Middle East is probably beyond you. 

Farmer Saint

Farmer Saint

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37 minutes ago, whelk said:

Ajax have Jewish roots as well so guess it wasn’t them?

Netherlands is the 15th largest Jewish nation apparently - although only account for approximately 0.2% of the population.

No idea if anti-Semitism is a thing there, or just idiots conflating two things, as Kraken said earlier.

rallyboy

rallyboy

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There are several versions of the events in Amsterdam out there now.

The behaviour of the Israeli fans can be seen online, the attacks on local businesses, the disrespect for the Valenica dead, the chants about murdered children.

Who started what, first, is open to debate, but to portray the violence as anti-semitic attacks on innocent football tourists is just part of the propaganda campaign.

Ultras go looking for trouble and find it, may perhaps be a more accurate account of what happened.

 

 

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SotonianWill

SotonianWill

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22 hours ago, The Kraken said:

Who knows with the thinking behind it. Though I did read a report on the bbc that said the attacks were planned via Telegram and groups were “going out to hunt Jews”. 

Obviously conflation between Israel and Judaism is quite common in some arenas.

That chat is almost as convenient as the Mein Kampf books / Nazi figures found in Palestinian homes which were definitely not planted there afterwards. 

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Weston Super Saint

Weston Super Saint

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5 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Further claims about ethic cleansing in Gaza for those who think it is funny. Apparently it will cost $40/$50 billion  to rebuild the areas the IDF have destroyed so far.

https://www.france24.com/en/middle-east/20241114-israel-committing-ethnic-cleansing-amid-mass-forced-displacements-gaza-hrw-report-says

To be fair, Hamas do have some pretty atrocious ethics, so a bit of 'ethic cleansing' is probably a good thing.

rallyboy

rallyboy

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I'm not sure anyone would have a problem if it was Hamas being destroyed or cleansed.

But some have confused toddlers with terrorists, a mistake that Israel repeats every day.

 

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sadoldgit

sadoldgit

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1 hour ago, rallyboy said:

I'm not sure anyone would have a problem if it was Hamas being destroyed or cleansed.

But some have confused toddlers with terrorists, a mistake that Israel repeats every day.

 

This far down the line I am surprised that this needs to be explained (again). I thought that most people understood that of the 43,000 plus people killed so far, most are innocent civilians rather than combatants. This of course excludes people who think that all Palestinians/Muslims are guilty by association and therefore expendable.

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hypochondriac

hypochondriac

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I see Hamas gave said they are ready to agree an immediate ceasefire. Hopefully that involves the surrender of those in charge and giving up the hostages. If that's the case then it will be a pretty easy ceasefire to achieve. 

rallyboy

rallyboy

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There has been nothing to suggest that Israel desires a ceasefire and the leadership has shown little concern for the genuine protection of hostages, hence the anger of some relatives in Israel.

The self-defence claim that was so justified on day one when they had the moral high ground sailed a very long time ago, they're now far too deep into the ethnic cleansing of civilians to even consider a ceasefire.

Netanyahu has used all this to delay his historic corruption charges and presumably hopes the inevitable war crime charges will be similarly delayed.

The last thing he wants is a ceasefire.

Sadly his leadership has also given any survivors 44,000 reasons for the bitter hatred to continue for the next few decades.

 

 

 

 

 

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sadoldgit

sadoldgit

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17 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

I see Hamas gave said they are ready to agree an immediate ceasefire. Hopefully that involves the surrender of those in charge and giving up the hostages. If that's the case then it will be a pretty easy ceasefire to achieve. 

You really have not been paying attention have you. Perhaps spend more time on looking at what is actually happening and why that is rather than posting childish laughing emojis on what is a deeply serious subject.

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hypochondriac

hypochondriac

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17 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

You really have not been paying attention have you. Perhaps spend more time on looking at what is actually happening and why that is rather than posting childish laughing emojis on what is a deeply serious subject.

Let's see that Hamas surrender and hostage returns. Really easy way to end things. 

SotonianWill

SotonianWill

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14 hours ago, rallyboy said:

Netanyahu has used all this to delay his historic corruption charges and presumably hopes the inevitable war crime charges will be similarly delayed.

Israel is, mainly due to their law of return, historically a safe haven for crime and charges https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/israel-safe-haven-paedophiles-jerusalem-sex-abuse-jewish-community-watch-a7445246.html.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2003/8/27/israel-promised-land-for-criminals 

 

Salomon Morel, criminal and commander of the Zgoda Labour camp in WW2. Given safe haven in Israel and lived in Tel Aviv till death in 2007. From Wikipedia: inmates were systematically maltreated and tortured by the guards including by Morel himself, who used to make pyramids of beaten prisoners (up to six layers high) causing suffocation.[6] The camp was one of the cruelest Stalinist detention facilities in Silesia where communist crimes recognized by international law as crimes against humanity were being committed against the Silesian prisoners under the command of only two men, Aleksy Krut, and Salomon Morel who was running the camp alone from June 1945

 

 

Same as the zionists Lehi members who bombed and killed English citizens (on our soil) even post the creation of Israel; yet they document themselves laughing about it from their safe haven in a documentary I watched recently on PBS. Yet today the British "patriots" believe we are great allies and showcase their flag in support. 

 It is foolish, especially with Trump's AIPAC backed administration taking shape, for anyone to believe Netanyahu will ever face the charges set against him

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sadoldgit

sadoldgit

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It has been said many times in this thread, but if you dare criticise Netanyahu, his government or the IDF, you are immediately accused of anti-semitism. Netanyahu has been playing the anti-Semitic card against the UN for years whilst happily breaking international law. Putin invades another country and gets hit with sanctions. Netanyahu ethnic cleanses Palestinians and the US and the UK continue to provide him with the military means to continue what could well end up being found to be war crimes. He currently is literally getting away with murder.

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AlexLaw76

AlexLaw76

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5 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

It has been said many times in this thread, but if you dare criticise Netanyahu, his government or the IDF, you are immediately accused of anti-semitism. Netanyahu has been playing the anti-Semitic card against the UN for years whilst happily breaking international law. Putin invades another country and gets hit with sanctions. Netanyahu ethnic cleanses Palestinians and the US and the UK continue to provide him with the military means to continue what could well end up being found to be war crimes. He currently is literally getting away with murder.

thanks for sharing

Weston Super Saint

Weston Super Saint

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6 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

It has been said many times in this thread, but if you dare criticise Netanyahu, his government or the IDF, you are immediately accused of anti-semitism. 

No it hasn't.

You've been called an anti semite, but I don't recall anyone else being labelled the same.

I wonder if that is because of all your anti semitic posts?

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whelk

whelk

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6 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

No it hasn't.

You've been called an anti semite, but I don't recall anyone else being labelled the same.

I wonder if that is because of all your anti semitic posts?

Wonder what happened to Fan the Flames? Remember him being very sensitive in that respect but generally a decent poster

Lord Duckhunter

Lord Duckhunter

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23 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said:

No it hasn't.

You've been called an anti semite, but I don't recall anyone else being labelled the same.

I wonder if that is because of all your anti semitic posts?

He still doesn’t get it. 

sadoldgit

sadoldgit

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On 15/11/2024 at 18:03, badgerx16 said:

Wow! Altering the reported time of a phone call by 10 minutes to make his boss look more decisive.

Not exactly a hanging offence.

I think it goes a bit deeper than that doesn’t it? If it wasn’t such a big deal, why do it? I am sure you are aware of the theory that Netanyahu allowed the attack to go ahead to give him a reason to do what he is doing now.

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badgerx16

badgerx16

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1 hour ago, sadoldgit said:

I think it goes a bit deeper than that doesn’t it? If it wasn’t such a big deal, why do it? I am sure you are aware of the theory that Netanyahu allowed the attack to go ahead to give him a reason to do what he is doing now.

I am aware, and not only because you went out of your way to ensure that the suggestion was posted and repeated on this thread.

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whelk

whelk

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15 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

They are not laughing at the news stories, they are laughing at you.

It’s all part of his ‘I am so more righteous than you’ schtick. Look they even laugh at dead children

badgerx16

badgerx16

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20 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Netanyahu has played the anti-Semitic card against the ICC.

It is a Get Out Of Jail Free card that the Israelis have been playing for years.

Farmer Saint

Farmer Saint

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49 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

As do the people who think it is funny.

What, they deserve to have arrest warrants out for them as well?

 

2 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

It is a Get Out Of Jail Free card that the Israelis have been playing for years.

This doesn't work as they've also included Hamas members in their warrants.

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Holmes_and_Watson

Holmes_and_Watson

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2 hours ago, Farmer Saint said:

What, they deserve to have arrest warrants out for them as well?

Nice to see our bastion of free speech continue his crusade.

Wanting to jail posters who criticise you (and it's never been the subject) is a bit of mask slipping.

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