Israel

[Turkish]

44 minutes ago, aintforever said:

Yes, reply to Challenger's point about what is happening NOW, not 2 years ago. There were loads of protests throughout Europe when Russia first invaded. Since then our government has shown complete support to Ukraine, sent millions in aid, trained their troops, sent tanks, Stormshadow missiles and all sorts of military kit, plus imposed massive sanctions. Going on a protest march is a pretty futile act anyway, when the above doesn’t stop Putin it’s pretty obvious marching though London won’t achieve anything.

So the protests against Russian weren’t really pointless then

Are the protests in London stopping Isreal?

Edited 2 June, 2024 by Turkish

[aintforever]

5 minutes ago, Turkish said:

So the protests against Russian weren’t really pointless then

Are the protests in London stopping Isreal?

No and no.

Marching through London with a ‘stop the war Putin’ placard today would be completely pointless though.

[Weston Super Saint]

20 minutes ago, aintforever said:

I would suspect that is one of the main reasons they are marching, to try to get the government to put more pressure on Israel. I’ve never been on one of these marches so wouldn’t know. 

How are they getting on?

It's what, almost 8 months now. Any sign the government is listening to them?

[egg]

5 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

How are they getting on?

It's what, almost 8 months now. Any sign the government is listening to them?

Are you suggesting that protests should stop when it seems that it's not helping? 

[Turkish]

5 minutes ago, aintforever said:

No and no.

Marching through London with a ‘stop the war Putin’ placard today would be completely pointless though.

Yet on the link I shared which you replied that it was two years  ago so made sense then, which by your own admission led to vast support from the west had this image on it soon as you open the link. 

[Turkish]

13 minutes ago, egg said:

Are you suggesting that protests should stop when it seems that it's not helping? 

I think it’s aintforver suggesting that pal

for example his statement that that protests against Russia made sense two years ago when it started but are completely pointless now

Edited 2 June, 2024 by Turkish

[whelk]

4 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said:

I suspect it has more to do no-one else having a clue that the complete weapon Tommy Robinson was marching through London yesterday.  It appears you are the only one who pays any attention to him.

It is amazing how many people spend time trawling the internet to find people they disagree with, then get outraged and highlight. TBF not just SOG but seems an inane way to spend one’s time.

[egg]

12 minutes ago, Turkish said:

I think it’s aintforver suggesting that pal

for example his statement that that protests against Russia made sense two years ago when it started but are completely pointless now

Daft stance whoever is suggesting it. 

[Turkish]

11 minutes ago, whelk said:

It is amazing how many people spend time trawling the internet to find people they disagree with, then get outraged and highlight. TBF not just SOG but seems an inane way to spend one’s time.

I can imagine sogs excitement when he saw Tommy Robinson had protested yesterday 

[whelk]

1 minute ago, Turkish said:

I can imagine sogs excitement when he saw Tommy Robinson had protested yesterday 

Have I been kicked out of the ‘usual suspects’ as I expected to hear about details for the meet up and march?

[aintforever]

44 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Yet on the link I shared which you replied that it was two years  ago so made sense then, which by your own admission led to vast support from the west had this image on it soon as you open the link. 

I never said the protests led to the support, the support would have happened regardless.

[Turkish]

3 minutes ago, aintforever said:

I never said the protests led to the support, the support would have happened regardless.

So the protests didn’t make any difference then?

[aintforever]

35 minutes ago, Turkish said:

I think it’s aintforver suggesting that pal

for example his statement that that protests against Russia made sense two years ago when it started but are completely pointless now

You are getting all confused Baby Reindeer. The Protests against Russias invasion made sense when the people protesting thought public opinion might have some sort of effect on what Russia were doing. The situation now is obviously different.

[aintforever]

1 minute ago, Turkish said:

So the protests didn’t make any difference then?

I don’t think so no. Maybe it changed how our government responded but probably didn’t have much effect.

[Turkish]

3 minutes ago, aintforever said:

I don’t think so no. Maybe it changed how our government responded but probably didn’t have much effect.

 

4 minutes ago, aintforever said:

You are getting all confused Baby Reindeer. The Protests against Russias invasion made sense when the people protesting thought public opinion might have some sort of effect on what Russia were doing. The situation now is obviously different.

Got it so they didn’t make sense because unlike Israel the UK government was not politically involved in the creation of the states but they did make sense because when the war started they might have Influenced Russian activity and the government backing but it wouldn’t really have had much effect and how the government or putin reacted so pretty pointless really and don’t make sense now. And you say im confused 🤣🤣🤣

[aintforever]

2 minutes ago, Turkish said:

 

Got it so they didn’t make sense because unlike Israel the UK government was not politically involved in the creation of the states but they did make sense because when the war started they might have Influenced Russian activity and the government backing but it wouldn’t really have had much effect and how the government or putin reacted so pretty pointless really and don’t make sense now. And you say im confused 🤣🤣🤣

You really are easily confused.

[Turkish]

2 minutes ago, aintforever said:

You really are easily confused.

Bless you. Have a great rest of your weekend pal. Remember to use the end with brushes on to clean your teeth at bed time 

[aintforever]

1 minute ago, Turkish said:

Bless you. Have a great rest of your weekend pal. Remember to use the end with brushes on to clean your teeth at bed time 

Ok Baby x x

[Lord Duckhunter]

23 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

Perhaps it would be more helpful if you used a more appropriate label, anti Jewish? You won’t though because you know that weakens your argument.

Fucking Hell, he’s trying to rewrite the definition of anti semitism now. You really do hate them don’t you? 
 

 

[whelk]

Somewhere for SOG to go on his hols

https://news.sky.com/story/maldives-announces-ban-on-israelis-entering-country-13147126

[Weston Super Saint]

23 hours ago, egg said:

Are you suggesting that protests should stop when it seems that it's not helping? 

I don't see that any protests ever really 'help'. 

BLM protests changed nothing. Extinction rebellion still chain themselves against things and stop traffic, nothing has really changed, except a few platitudes. Just stop oil hasn't stopped the oil. Anti Gaza war protests haven't stopped the war, nor did the Ukraine ones.  What has Greta achieved apart from a steadily growing rap sheet?

It's just a way for those with a superiority complex to show how much they care. 

[egg]

11 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

I don't see that any protests ever really 'help'. 

BLM protests changed nothing. Extinction rebellion still chain themselves against things and stop traffic, nothing has really changed, except a few platitudes. Just stop oil hasn't stopped the oil. Anti Gaza war protests haven't stopped the war, nor did the Ukraine ones.  What has Greta achieved apart from a steadily growing rap sheet?

It's just a way for those with a superiority complex to show how much they care. 

None of that means that protests should stop. That's not up to you.

[AlexLaw76]

1 minute ago, egg said:

None of that means that protests should stop. That's not up to you.

why do they start when it is in that part of the world...or even on that particular strip of land?

Edited 3 June, 2024 by AlexLaw76

[egg]

Just now, AlexLaw76 said:

why do they start when it is in that part of the world...or even on that particular strip of land?

You're back on that again. 

People can protest about what the fuck they like mate. 

[AlexLaw76]

Just now, egg said:

You're back on that again. 

People can protest about what the fuck they like mate. 

Back on that as no one really answers....

[badgerx16]

18 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

I don't see that any protests ever really 'help'. 

BLM protests changed nothing. Extinction rebellion still chain themselves against things and stop traffic, nothing has really changed, except a few platitudes. Just stop oil hasn't stopped the oil. Anti Gaza war protests haven't stopped the war, nor did the Ukraine ones.  What has Greta achieved apart from a steadily growing rap sheet?

It's just a way for those with a superiority complex to show how much they care. 

What about the Poll Tax protests ?

[Weston Super Saint]

4 minutes ago, egg said:

None of that means that protests should stop. That's not up to you.

I've made no determination as to whether they should stop or not, merely given my thoughts on their effectiveness.

[egg]

2 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Back on that as no one really answers....

Why people protest is a question for protestors, or an application of common sense. 

[egg]

1 minute ago, Weston Super Saint said:

I've made no determination as to whether they should stop or not, merely given my thoughts on their effectiveness.

You're hardly encouraging that they continue, and criticising those that protest. If people care enough, and do it in the right way, I'm not sure why you'd sneer from behind a keyboard. Leave them to it. 

[whelk]

8 minutes ago, egg said:

You're hardly encouraging that they continue, and criticising those that protest. If people care enough, and do it in the right way, I'm not sure why you'd sneer from behind a keyboard. Leave them to it. 

I generally have respect for anyone who gets motivated enough to protest. Apathy is the biggest danger to not making the powers accountable. Protest clearly has worth even when not getting instant results and need more of it. EDL cunts excepted

 

Edited 3 June, 2024 by whelk

[hypochondriac]

3 hours ago, whelk said:

I generally have respect for anyone who gets motivated enough to protest. Apathy is the biggest danger to not making the powers accountable. Protest clearly has worth even when not getting instant results and need more of it. EDL cunts excepted

 

Especially these guys. 

[aintforever]

3 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said:

I don't see that any protests ever really 'help'. 

BLM protests changed nothing. Extinction rebellion still chain themselves against things and stop traffic, nothing has really changed, except a few platitudes. Just stop oil hasn't stopped the oil. Anti Gaza war protests haven't stopped the war, nor did the Ukraine ones.  What has Greta achieved apart from a steadily growing rap sheet?

It's just a way for those with a superiority complex to show how much they care. 

It’s impossible to tell what effect protests have had, just stop oil hasn’t stopped oil but that doesn’t mean it hasn’t influenced government policy. Likewise we don’t know wether international opinion hasn’t stopped Israel committing more atrocities than it has. 

I don’t believe they achieve much but in a democracy public opinion matters and I expect people in power do take some notice.

[sadoldgit]

19 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Fucking Hell, he’s trying to rewrite the definition of anti semitism now. You really do hate them don’t you? 
 

 

No I don’t but thanks for proving my point (yet again). When will the penny finally drop? It is not mutually exclusive to call a regime out for their actions and not hate the population of that regime or their religious beliefs, although I wonder if you manage that with the Palestinians.  I know that you struggle to express yourself without swearing, but live in hope that you will understand one day that you can play the antisemitic card all day long but it just means that you are using deflection because you have no other argument and no discernible shred of humanity.

Tell me, if the ICJ rule that Netanyahu is guilty of genocide and war crimes, will you accuse them of antisemitism? Are the UN antisemetic because they rule against the land grabs by Israelis on the West Bank?

You are myopic and no better than the likes of Netanyahu and Ben-Gvir, but keep playing that antisemitic card because that is all they and you have in defence of the indefensible.

[east-stand-nic]

13 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said:

I don't see that any protests ever really 'help'. 

BLM protests changed nothing. Extinction rebellion still chain themselves against things and stop traffic, nothing has really changed, except a few platitudes. Just stop oil hasn't stopped the oil. Anti Gaza war protests haven't stopped the war, nor did the Ukraine ones.  What has Greta achieved apart from a steadily growing rap sheet?

It's just a way for those with a superiority complex to show how much they care. 

Protests will never work anymore as we showed the governments and elite rulers of the world that they can walk all over us after all the acquiescing during Covid. They know 90% of u will do what u are told, when you are told and with knobs on it. So, protests are an utter waste of time as they will ignore you all and carry on doing what they want. 

[east-stand-nic]

13 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

What about the Poll Tax protests ?

Different era. Now the power brokers know they have us all under control and brainwashed, so they will not respond to any protests unless very serious action is taken and the 90% of the UK sheep start to grow a pair, man up and stop playing their games.

[badgerx16]

3 minutes ago, east-stand-nic said:

Different era. Now the power brokers know they have us all under control and brainwashed, so they will not respond to any protests unless very serious action is taken and the 90% of the UK sheep start to grow a pair, man up and stop playing their games.

How many thicknesses of tin foil should I use for my hat ?

[Lighthouse]

I guess people having barbeques during lockdown are the modern day Che Guevara.

[Lord Duckhunter]

3 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

you can play the antisemitic card all day long

but given theway that Jewish people have been discriminated against through the ages their treatment of the Palestinians does them no credit. You don’t get a free pass to crush someone or displace them just because it has happened to you in the past.

[The Kraken]

54 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

but given theway that Jewish people have been discriminated against through the ages their treatment of the Palestinians does them no credit. You don’t get a free pass to crush someone or displace them just because it has happened to you in the past.

And, as defined by the IHRA as a definition of antisemitism (definitions adopted in full by the Labour Party):

Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel

[sadoldgit]

If Alanis Morrissette needs a decent example of irony, she needs to be pointed in this direction.

For those of you who don’t know their history, in October 1936 Oswald Mosley led a small army of some 3000 fascists (right wing thugs) into the East End where there was a large population of Jewish people. They were “supported” by some 6000 police from the Met, most mounted. I say supported because they seem to direct their aggression and arrests at the defenders rather than Mosley’s Blackshirts.

They were confronted by approx. 10,000 people made up of Socialists (Lefties and Pinkos), Trade Unionists, Communists and British Jews.

Mosley and his thugs were turned back in what became known as The Battle of Cable Street.

https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofBritain/Battle-Of-Cable-Street/

We now have a large group of right wing thugs supporting Israel and using the current situation in Gaza to whip up hatred against Muslims. Are we to believe that they are now  accepting of Israel/Jewish people, or are they just using the situation in Gaza to pour fuel on Islamophobia? 

Isn’t it ironic that a group of people with such a deep, inbred hatred of Jewish people are now putting that to one side and directing their hatred towards Irsrael’s enemies instead?

Footnote: The Daily Mail supported Mosley. Nothing changes.

Edited 4 June, 2024 by sadoldgit
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[Turkish]

1 hour ago, sadoldgit said:

If Alanis Morrissette needs a decent example of irony, she needs to be pointed in this direction.

For those of you who don’t know their history, in October 1936 Oswald Mosley led a small army of some 3000 fascists (right wing thugs) into the East End where there was a large population of Jewish people. They were “supported” by some 6000 police from the Met, most mounted. I say supported because they seem to direct their aggression and arrests at the defenders rather than Mosley’s Blackshirts.

They were confronted by approx. 10,000 people made up of Socialists (Lefties and Pinkos), Trade Unionists, Communists and British Jews.

Mosley and his thugs were turned back in what became known as The Battle of Cable Street.

https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofBritain/Battle-Of-Cable-Street/

We now have a large group of right wing thugs supporting Israel and using the current situation in Gaza to whip up hatred against Muslims. Are we to believe that they are now  accepting of Israel/Jewish people, or are they just using the situation in Gaza to pour fuel on Islamophobia? 

Isn’t it ironic that a group of people with such a deep, inbred hatred of Jewish people are now putting that to one side and directing their hatred towards Irsrael’s enemies instead?

Footnote: The Daily Mail supported Mosley. Nothing changes.

Thanks for the history lesson SOG, I doubt anyone else alive had ever heard of Mosley black shirts until now

 

it’s like rain on your wedding day 

it’s like the right wing supporting Jews today

and who would have thought it figures 

mr sad old git posts are torturous 

Making up for his past by appearing  virtuous

When he sees reports of racial hate

he rubs his hands together and thinks “now isn’t this great”

and isn’t it ironic, don’t you think, a little too ironic yeah I really do think…..

 

Edited 4 June, 2024 by Turkish

[badgerx16]

14 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Thanks for the history lesson SOG, I doubt anyone else alive had ever heard of Mosley black shirts until now

 

it’s like rain on your wedding day 

it’s like the right wing supporting Jews today

and who would have thought it figures 

mr sad old git posts are torturous 

Making up for his past by appearing  virtuous

When he sees reports of racial hate

he rubs his hands together and thinks “now isn’t this great”

and isn’t it ironic, don’t you think, a little too ironic yeah I really do think…..

 

Don't tell SOGgy that Oswald Moseley was a Labour MP between 1926 and 1931.

[Weston Super Saint]

1 hour ago, sadoldgit said:

 

Isn’t it ironic that a group of people with such a deep, inbred hatred of Jewish people are now putting that to one side and directing their hatred towards Irsrael’s enemies instead?

 

Maybe I missed something in amongst the waffle, but who is doing that?

[Turkish]

10 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Maybe I missed something in amongst the waffle, but who is doing that?

Alanis Morisestte?

[Holmes_and_Watson]

31 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Alanis Morisestte?

I don't think anyone here is suggesting Alanis shouldn't be allowed to march. But is getting her to march inside a soundproof box, in case she sings, an infringement on her right to protest? I think that's the key question here.

[badgerx16]

30 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

I don't think anyone here is suggesting Alanis shouldn't be allowed to march. But is getting her to march inside a soundproof box, in case she sings, an infringement on her right to protest? I think that's the key question here.

Given she played God in Dogma, she needs to be careful which causes she shows support for as there could be serious religious repurcussions.

[whelk]

I am looking for a knife and all I can find in the cutlery drawer is fucking spoons. Thousands of the fuckers! And I am a knife maker by trade and get unlimited freebies. Couldn’t make it up.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

2 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Given she played God in Dogma, she needs to be careful which causes she shows support for as there could be serious religious repurcussions.

An excellent point. A difficult decision for the authorities. Although one helped by Alanis being omnipotent, and telling them what their decision will be.

[Turkish]

14 minutes ago, whelk said:

I am looking for a knife and all I can find in the cutlery drawer is fucking spoons. Thousands of the fuckers! And I am a knife maker by trade and get unlimited freebies. Couldn’t make it up.

Appears she is wearing a black shirt too. Make of that what you will 

Edited 4 June, 2024 by Turkish

[Holmes_and_Watson]

12 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Appears she is wearing a black shirt too. Make of that what you will 

Oh Alanis. And I thought all the song references to the Mitford sisters were just coincidence.

The Mitford sisters were.... goes on for 15 paragraphs...