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2 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

Talking of the company that people keep, you couldn’t find a finer selection of pile on merchants, Islamophobes, misogynists, WUMs, trolls, racists, far right apologists and transphobic, homophobic Little Englander Gammons than:-

Hypochondriac, Lord Duckhunter, Delldays, Weston SS, Turkish and, on this thread at least, Whelk.

(and when I say selection I mean selection, meaning not all of the above are all of the things listed above. Where they are the same though is constantly making things up and pretending other people have posted them or hold those views in order to score points)

Greatest wind up merchant on the innernetz.

No need for any further proof.

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2 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

If you mean not aligning myself with literal communists and queer non binary witches then you'd be correct. I'm not sure how you can be a communist and have any real moral compass.

Good to see you continuing to white knight for soggy though. Looks like Hamas aren't the only people who require human shields... 

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Ha!! You've lost it mate. 

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45 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Islamophobes, misogynists, WUMs, trolls, racists, far right apologists and transphobic, homophobic Little Englander Gammons

Rumbled. No flies on you SOG

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13 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

The IDF promise that they are taking due care not to kill innocent civilians but, not for the first time, manage to kill their own. Little wonder the death toll is so high.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-69019655.amp

In war shit happens. Lots of nervous young men with guns and tanks. Even the British army managed to blow up one of it's own Challenger tanks in Iraq.

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40 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

In war shit happens. Lots of nervous young men with guns and tanks. Even the British army managed to blow up one of it's own Challenger tanks in Iraq.

Very true, but as the building was being used by the deputy battalion commander you would like to think that greater care would have been taken when picking a target. Apparently two tanks fired at the building because a rifle barrel was spotted appearing from a window. Surely even the most inexperienced tank commander would realise that they could be Israeli ground troops and to get verification before firing? Don’t one of the most well equipped military in the world have comms systems?

I grant you that this isn’t as bad as shooting surrendering unarmed Israeli hostages holding a white flag.

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1 hour ago, badgerx16 said:

In war shit happens. Lots of nervous young men with guns and tanks. Even the British army managed to blow up one of it's own Challenger tanks in Iraq.

Indeed. What this underlines is that tragedies occur in the fog of war and where people always shout that there's intent behind a death or a tragic occurrence, often it's simply a horrible accident. 

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45 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Very true, but as the building was being used by the deputy battalion commander you would like to think that greater care would have been taken when picking a target. Apparently two tanks fired at the building because a rifle barrel was spotted appearing from a window. Surely even the most inexperienced tank commander would realise that they could be Israeli ground troops and to get verification before firing? Don’t one of the most well equipped military in the world have comms systems?

I grant you that this isn’t as bad as shooting surrendering unarmed Israeli hostages holding a white flag.

How much frontline experience of a shooting war do you have ?

Tanks are not suited to urban warfare, there is too much cover close to - a circumstance that has been clear since Stalingrad. If you were a conscript and think you have just seen an RPG launcher within it's effective range what would you do ? Fire first or wait for radio confirmation of whether it was hostile or not ? Don't forget, even these days, military radio comms can be erratic and unreliable.

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17 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Soggy would probably want a risk assessment carried out & a health & safety brief before responding to an enemy attack. 

''Let slip the SOG of war''

 

( Sorry SOGgy, couldn't resist ).

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27 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

How much frontline experience of a shooting war do you have ?

Tanks are not suited to urban warfare, there is too much cover close to - a circumstance that has been clear since Stalingrad. If you were a conscript and think you have just seen an RPG launcher within it's effective range what would you do ? Fire first or wait for radio confirmation of whether it was hostile or not ? Don't forget, even these days, military radio comms can be erratic and unreliable.

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There would have been intelligence briefings indicating where the line of contact demarked IDF and suspected HAMAS positions. However, in a ruined city with no road signs, and most landmark buildings reduced to rubble, it would be easy for one or other of the IDF units to get disorientated and wander out of position.

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On 14/05/2024 at 22:38, hypochondriac said:

He didn't say rape apologist so I reckon he's warming to me. 

Given your attitude to what is happening in Gaza, your constant support of a man who sexually assaulted an intoxicated woman and was originally found guilty of rape pales into insignificance. Well done for bringing it up yet again though 👍.

As for my frontline fighting experience, I expect it is just the same as the other people posting here. Given the sophistication of the equipment in the Iraq War 20 years ago, I expected it and their comms equipment to be even more state of the art now. Military GPS is far better than civilian GPS and it seems a bit odd that they didn’t have a fix on a very senior officer, especially given the close proximity of both sides in a relatively confined area.

Apparently they targeted the building because a gun barrel was spotted, not a RPG launcher. I don’t think the guys in the tank had much to worry about facing a rifle. The coordinates could be checked in seconds. I’m sure another keyboard warfare expert will correct me, but wouldn’t such a senior officer be in a command centre? If he had set up a centre in that building it seems even more strange that the military control centre didn’t have a handle on it.

No biggie though eh Hypo? It’s the fault of Hamas anyway.

Anyway, the IDF have plenty of previous (going back to the beginning of this particular stage of the conflict when they shelled an Israeli police station knowing full well their were Israeli police hostages inside and attacked everything in sight at the music festival with Apache helicopters).

The bottom line is that they don’t give a shit who they kill and the numbers show that beyond doubt.

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33 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Given your attitude to what is happening in Gaza, your constant support of a man who sexually assaulted an intoxicated woman and was originally found guilty of rape pales into insignificance. Well done for bringing it up yet again though 👍.

As for my frontline fighting experience, I expect it is just the same as the other people posting here. Given the sophistication of the equipment in the Iraq War 20 years ago, I expected it and their comms equipment to be even more state of the art now. Military GPS is far better than civilian GPS and it seems a bit odd that they didn’t have a fix on a very senior officer, especially given the close proximity of both sides in a relatively confined area.

Apparently they targeted the building because a gun barrel was spotted, not a RPG launcher. I don’t think the guys in the tank had much to worry about facing a rifle. The coordinates could be checked in seconds. I’m sure another keyboard warfare expert will correct me, but wouldn’t such a senior officer be in a command centre? If he had set up a centre in that building it seems even more strange that the military control centre didn’t have a handle on it.

No biggie though eh Hypo? It’s the fault of Hamas anyway.

Anyway, the IDF have plenty of previous (going back to the beginning of this particular stage of the conflict when they shelled an Israeli police station knowing full well their were Israeli police hostages inside and attacked everything in sight at the music festival with Apache helicopters).

The bottom line is that they don’t give a shit who they kill and the numbers show that beyond doubt.

Why not wait until the IDF have carried out their investigation and reported on the incident before jumping to conclusions ? Or does your preferred narrative not allow that ?

If they saw a rifle barrel in a position they assumed was hostile, given the availability of RPG-7 grenades in HAMAS' arsenal, it would be a fair judgement to assume such weapons were also present. It is also possible that in the confusion of live contact an RPG launcher might at a glance be confused with a modern rifle. Either way that is moot, the tank crews detected a threat and eliminated it.

Your continued attempts to demonstrate the IDF have a complete sociopathic disregard for the lives and safety of their own side is ludicrous.

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1 hour ago, sadoldgit said:

Given your attitude to what is happening in Gaza, your constant support of a man who sexually assaulted an intoxicated woman and was originally found guilty of rape pales into insignificance. Well done for bringing it up yet again though 👍.

As for my frontline fighting experience, I expect it is just the same as the other people posting here. Given the sophistication of the equipment in the Iraq War 20 years ago, I expected it and their comms equipment to be even more state of the art now. Military GPS is far better than civilian GPS and it seems a bit odd that they didn’t have a fix on a very senior officer, especially given the close proximity of both sides in a relatively confined area.

Apparently they targeted the building because a gun barrel was spotted, not a RPG launcher. I don’t think the guys in the tank had much to worry about facing a rifle. The coordinates could be checked in seconds. I’m sure another keyboard warfare expert will correct me, but wouldn’t such a senior officer be in a command centre? If he had set up a centre in that building it seems even more strange that the military control centre didn’t have a handle on it.

No biggie though eh Hypo? It’s the fault of Hamas anyway.

Anyway, the IDF have plenty of previous (going back to the beginning of this particular stage of the conflict when they shelled an Israeli police station knowing full well their were Israeli police hostages inside and attacked everything in sight at the music festival with Apache helicopters).

The bottom line is that they don’t give a shit who they kill and the numbers show that beyond doubt.

Maybe they just didn't like the senior officer?

I thought this news of Jews killing each other would give you great pleasure, not sure why you're whining like a stray dog.

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39 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Maybe they just didn't like the senior officer?

I thought this news of Jews killing each other would give you great pleasure, not sure why you're whining like a stray dog.

Way below the belt bruv.

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2 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

Given your attitude to what is happening in Gaza, your constant support of a man who sexually assaulted an intoxicated woman and was originally found guilty of rape pales into insignificance. Well done for bringing it up yet again though 👍.

As for my frontline fighting experience, I expect it is just the same as the other people posting here. Given the sophistication of the equipment in the Iraq War 20 years ago, I expected it and their comms equipment to be even more state of the art now. Military GPS is far better than civilian GPS and it seems a bit odd that they didn’t have a fix on a very senior officer, especially given the close proximity of both sides in a relatively confined area.

Apparently they targeted the building because a gun barrel was spotted, not a RPG launcher. I don’t think the guys in the tank had much to worry about facing a rifle. The coordinates could be checked in seconds. I’m sure another keyboard warfare expert will correct me, but wouldn’t such a senior officer be in a command centre? If he had set up a centre in that building it seems even more strange that the military control centre didn’t have a handle on it.

No biggie though eh Hypo? It’s the fault of Hamas anyway.

Anyway, the IDF have plenty of previous (going back to the beginning of this particular stage of the conflict when they shelled an Israeli police station knowing full well their were Israeli police hostages inside and attacked everything in sight at the music festival with Apache helicopters).

The bottom line is that they don’t give a shit who they kill and the numbers show that beyond doubt.

You are starting to sound mentally ill now and no longer just the soppy old fool. 

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3 minutes ago, whelk said:

You are starting to sound mentally ill now and no longer just the soppy old fool. 

What's the thought process? That the IDF are cartoon villains just gunning down everyone including Israelis because they take pleasure in it? How is that a more likely scenario than mistakes during war? Like you say mentally unwell. 

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2 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

What's the thought process? That the IDF are cartoon villains just gunning down everyone including Israelis because they take pleasure in it? How is that a more likely scenario than mistakes during war? Like you say mentally unwell. 

Don’t forget he’s read an article about Apache helicopters so is far more informed than most of us. Even his tone seems to delight at that

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7 minutes ago, Fan The Flames said:

Saying someone would enjoy seeing Jews shot is beyond a jibe.

Reads SOG’s posts and there is plenty of bile. Surprised how many seem to think he is the victim. 

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20 minutes ago, Fan The Flames said:

Saying someone would enjoy seeing Jews shot is beyond a jibe.

As is calling some racist, homophobic or a rape apologist. They are about the most serious charges you can level at someone. 

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37 minutes ago, whelk said:

Don’t forget he’s read an article about Apache helicopters so is far more informed than most of us. Even his tone seems to delight at that

You can imagine the smile as he Googles "latest Jew genocide atrocity" and rushes to post it up on here. The level of smug must be off the charts as he delights and single handedly ending the racists on the Saintsweb forum. 

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1 hour ago, badgerx16 said:

Do you think the IDF deliberately target their own troops ?

Deliberate, no, but they seem to have a shoot first think later policy which makes it inevitable that some of their own will kop some friendly fire. 

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2 hours ago, whelk said:

Reads SOG’s posts and there is plenty of bile. Surprised how many seem to think he is the victim. 

Pretty much every post contains some sort of dig at someone, either blatantly like the one the other day or another boreathon essay where he slips in a couple of digs whilst posting his usual clap trap. 

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14 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

I’m sure another keyboard warfare expert

From the bloke who has just used all his daily posts telling us how the IDF could have avoided the incident.

 

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On 14/05/2024 at 21:18, Weston Super Saint said:

Greatest wind up merchant on the innernetz.

No need for any further proof.

SOG is playing you lot like a fiddle and you fall for it every time. 

Look at this latest little episode. On Saturday this thread was not mentioning SOG. It was all about Eurovision and credit ratings. Cindy Lauper and body fat were other topics under discussion. Everything was quiet. On Monday there were no posts at all! 

Then on Tuesday SOG posts naming you and the other pricks...and you lot all jump (although to be fair to him Delldays // Batman //Alex hasn't yet posted). In little more than 48 hours the best part of another page has been added to this thread with you, Duckie, Turks and Hypo all jumping to his tune. 

It is unbelievable how you cannot see it. He loves being the centre of attention, he prods you and you all jump to his tune. It is quite hilarious. 

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10 minutes ago, Tamesaint said:

SOG is playing you lot like a fiddle and you fall for it every time. 

Look at this latest little episode. On Saturday this thread was not mentioning SOG. It was all about Eurovision and credit ratings. Cindy Lauper and body fat were other topics under discussion. Everything was quiet. On Monday there were no posts at all! 

Then on Tuesday SOG posts naming you and the other pricks...and you lot all jump (although to be fair to him Delldays // Batman //Alex hasn't yet posted). In little more than 48 hours the best part of another page has been added to this thread with you, Duckie, Turks and Hypo all jumping to his tune. 

It is unbelievable how you cannot see it. He loves being the centre of attention, he prods you and you all jump to his tune. It is quite hilarious. 

Or... Everyone else is playing soggy like a fiddle.  Even though he has everyone on ignore.

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15 minutes ago, Tamesaint said:

 

It is unbelievable how you cannot see it. He loves being the centre of attention, he prods you and you all jump to his tune. It is quite hilarious. 

We can all "see" what he is doing. Once he has been found out and the mask slips, he resorts to personal abuse to try and deflect.

You give his "wind up" skills way too much credit. 

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15 minutes ago, Tamesaint said:

SOG is playing you lot like a fiddle and you fall for it every time. 

Look at this latest little episode. On Saturday this thread was not mentioning SOG. It was all about Eurovision and credit ratings. Cindy Lauper and body fat were other topics under discussion. Everything was quiet. On Monday there were no posts at all! 

Then on Tuesday SOG posts naming you and the other pricks...and you lot all jump (although to be fair to him Delldays // Batman //Alex hasn't yet posted). In little more than 48 hours the best part of another page has been added to this thread with you, Duckie, Turks and Hypo all jumping to his tune. 

It is unbelievable how you cannot see it. He loves being the centre of attention, he prods you and you all jump to his tune. It is quite hilarious. 

actually he made a right cock of himself because i mentioned Cindy Lauper in response to someone else, nothing to do with him, he jumped on it with a rant at me saying i was having a dig at him and rambling on about Cindy Lauper ignoring the issues which he saw and responded to despite claiming to have me on ignore. The post about us all being pricks followed that shortly after. So if there is any fiddle playing it aint by him pal.

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1 minute ago, Weston Super Saint said:

We can all "see" what he is doing. Once he has been found out and the mask slips, he resorts to personal abuse to try and deflect.

You give his "wind up" skills way too much credit. 

As i've said before many times if it was just this forum you might think he was a master wind up merchant but the fact he spouts the same shite, gets the same response and reacts the same way across multiple forums for many, many years along with the fact he's revealed an incredible amount of personal information mean he isn't the master WUM that Tame claims.

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49 minutes ago, Tamesaint said:

SOG is playing you lot like a fiddle and you fall for it every time. 

Look at this latest little episode. On Saturday this thread was not mentioning SOG. It was all about Eurovision and credit ratings. Cindy Lauper and body fat were other topics under discussion. Everything was quiet. On Monday there were no posts at all! 

Then on Tuesday SOG posts naming you and the other pricks...and you lot all jump (although to be fair to him Delldays // Batman //Alex hasn't yet posted). In little more than 48 hours the best part of another page has been added to this thread with you, Duckie, Turks and Hypo all jumping to his tune. 

It is unbelievable how you cannot see it. He loves being the centre of attention, he prods you and you all jump to his tune. It is quite hilarious. 

If someone writes a post specifically mentioning me then I'm obviously going to respond. It takes literal seconds to fire something off mocking, laughing at or highlighting his hypocrisy. If he gets some sort of special thrill from responses like that then he's a proper weirdo which isn't a complete surprise but I'm not sure why you think getting some written responses on a messageboard is some sort of win for soggy. I can tell you now if he keeps making the same posts he has done for years insulting others and then playing the victim then he's going to attract plenty of responses laughing at him and calling him out. If that's winning then congratulations soggy has won and will continue to win. What a guy.  

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