Israel

[rallyboy]

10 hours ago, whelk said:

And terrorism was dwindling up until 7/10? 

So you believe that anti-Israeli feeling among the young in Gaza is declining?

 

[whelk]

21 minutes ago, rallyboy said:

So you believe that anti-Israeli feeling among the young in Gaza is declining?

 

Not at all. However there was clearly a terrorist threat before so to not react to an unprecedented scale of attack on 7/10 on the basis that there will be more down the line was never going to happen. Violence begets violence  unfortunately. And to be clear I am not an apologist for Netanyahu’s government.

[Lighthouse]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68810053
 

All kicking off now, most of the Middle East’s airspace is being closed to civilian traffic.

[Turkish]

21 hours ago, aintforever said:

Of course it didn’t, they were living under Israel’s blockade, reliant on international aid with little to no hope of ever being in a free country. When there is no alternative pathway to a better life, extremism is bound to thrive.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/25/un-report-80-per-cent-of-gaza-inhabitants-relied-on-international-aid-before-war

Define better life

[Gloucester Saint]

18 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68810053
 

All kicking off now, most of the Middle East’s airspace is being closed to civilian traffic.

The IRGC may be over-reaching here, dangerous times. If the IDF can damage them further, it might weaken their role in the Russia-China-North Korea axis and if going further still, weaken the IRGC domestically.

[AlexLaw76]

9 hours ago, Gloucester Saint said:

The IRGC may be over-reaching here, dangerous times. If the IDF can damage them further, it might weaken their role in the Russia-China-North Korea axis and if going further still, weaken the IRGC domestically.

It was a set-piece face saving exercise by Iran, who state the matter is now closed.

 

[inspectorfrost]

22 hours ago, whelk said:

Not at all. However there was clearly a terrorist threat before so to not react to an unprecedented scale of attack on 7/10 on the basis that there will be more down the line was never going to happen. Violence begets violence  unfortunately. And to be clear I am not an apologist for Netanyahu’s government.

Indeed, although massacres like 7/10 have been organised/carried out by both sides in years gone by. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and_Shatila_massacre

(The gory details in the foreign reporters testimonies's section is sadly all too familiar)

Thatcher pulled our arms exports to Israel around that time because she prioritised regional stability over Israel's self-defence. Then again unlike our current generation of politicians she had a backbone.

[Lighthouse]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68810774
 

A shame we’re too scared to do this for Ukraine.

[Lord Duckhunter]

On 13/04/2024 at 01:02, aintforever said:

they were living under Israel’s blockade

Isn’t there a 12km border with Egypt?

 

[AlexLaw76]

8 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Isn’t there a 12km border with Egypt?

 

Seemingly, Egypt don't want them

[Lord Duckhunter]

1 minute ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Seemingly, Egypt don't want them

He claimed prior to 7/10 there was an Israeli “blockade”. 

[sadoldgit]

1 hour ago, Lighthouse said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68810774
 

A shame we’re too scared to do this for Ukraine.

Probably because the government is scared of Putin but is happy to back Israel (despite their use of Western purchased weapons to kill thousands of innocent people and lay waste to Gaza) because they tar all Palestinians with the same Islamic extremism brush. Surely no moral ambiguity here?

[Lord Duckhunter]

1 hour ago, sadoldgit said:

Probably because the government is scared of Putin but is happy to back Israel (despite their use of Western purchased weapons to kill thousands of innocent people and lay waste to Gaza) because they tar all Palestinians with the same Islamic extremism brush. Surely no moral ambiguity here?

Iraq, Jordan & Saudi Arabia helped the Israelis last night, do they tar “all Palestinians” with the same brush? 
 

 

[egg]

4 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Isn’t there a 12km border with Egypt?

 

Why should they relocate? Why should Egypt take them? 

[Lord Duckhunter]

56 minutes ago, egg said:

Why should they relocate? Why should Egypt take them? 

That wasn’t the discussion. He claimed prior to 7/10 Isreal had blockaded Gaza, not really a blockade unless Egypt did the same. 

[egg]

1 hour ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

That wasn’t the discussion. He claimed prior to 7/10 Isreal had blockaded Gaza, not really a blockade unless Egypt did the same. 

My questions remain valid. 

Regardless, it's a fact that Israel had blockaded Gaza. They've also tied Egypt's hands as part of the deal to give back the Sinai after they stole it from them, and for pulling out of Gaza. Check the 1979, 2005, and 2007 agreements. 

Edited 14 April, 2024 by egg

[whelk]

When will the Jewish people stop provoking the Palestinians and their supporters? I mean walking about London ‘looking openly Jewish’ is pushing the limit. Imagine a protester coming up against such provocation and restraining themselves?
 

[sadoldgit]

Completely ignoring the fact that there a plenty of openly Jewish people on the protest marches too and that it was the police and not the protestors who took issue with this particular openly Jewish person (who is the Chief Executive of the Campaign Against Antisemitism and just happened to be in the vicinity of the march at the time).

Edited 21 April, 2024 by sadoldgit

[badgerx16]

1 hour ago, whelk said:

When will the Jewish people stop provoking the Palestinians and their supporters? I mean walking about London ‘looking openly Jewish’ is pushing the limit. Imagine a protester coming up against such provocation and restraining themselves?
 

Maybe we need a ban on wearing the kippah in public.

[badgerx16]

1 minute ago, sadoldgit said:

Completely ignoring the fact that there a plenty of openly Jewish people on the protest marches too and that it was the police and not the protestors who took issue with this particular openly Jewish person.

Completely ignoring the irony of the quoted post.

[whelk]

16 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Completely ignoring the irony of the quoted post.

Imagine SOG would be frothing if the police told someone to not be near a right wing march for being openly Islamic. We all know there is one minority that he thinks is fair game

[sadoldgit]

No peaceful minority groups are fair game and I have never said that they are. You sound more like Weston everyday.

[Lord Duckhunter]

SOG should be arrested for walking around openly stupid. 
 

 

[Tamesaint]

17 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

SOG should be arrested for walking around openly stupid. 
 

 

I wonder if the mods would allow a new "pathetic" emoji for posts like this. 

[Weston Super Saint]

34 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

No peaceful minority groups are fair game and I have never said that they are. You sound more like Weston everyday.

Bless. Rent free.

[sadoldgit]

For those who understand that there is usually much more to a story than a Daily Mail headline it is worth looking at the full 14 minute video clip or reading the whole transcript between the police officer and Gideon Falter. To reduce it to being about him possibly being arrested for looking “openly Jewish” is yet another example of how the right wing media regurgitate news through their own filter and spew it out as red meat to feed their reader’s prejudices.

[Turkish]

13 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

For those who understand that there is usually much more to a story than a Daily Mail headline it is worth looking at the full 14 minute video clip or reading the whole transcript between the police officer and Gideon Falter. To reduce it to being about him possibly being arrested for looking “openly Jewish” is yet another example of how the right wing media regurgitate news through their own filter and spew it out as red meat to feed their reader’s prejudices.

Genuine question, why is it that whenever you make a point you always have to do it with a pious, sneering tone to your post? 

you could have just linked the video have suggested people watch it with a little commentary about why it's interesting. Instead your opening line is to put your stance as to how superior you are to others. You then tail it with "right wing" bullshit that has become your trademark. 

You do sometimes make some valid and interesting points but your arrogance & tone make you a very unlikable person and a complete laughing stock on every forum i've ever seen you post on. 

[Fan The Flames]

The police were wrong in this. Part of the problem is the Police in this country are too quick to go to 'well you'll be arrested if you don't'. They can't handle their authority being questioned and pull out their top trump card without the situation escalating at all. It happens up and down the country every day.

[Lord Duckhunter]

1 hour ago, sadoldgit said:

For those who understand that there is usually much more to a story than a Daily Mail headline it is worth looking at the full 14 minute video clip or reading the whole transcript between the police officer and Gideon Falter. To reduce it to being about him possibly being arrested for looking “openly Jewish” is yet another example of how the right wing media regurgitate news through their own filter and spew it out as red meat to feed their reader’s prejudices.

So why did the police apologise? Are they part of this vast far right conspiracy you seem to think exists or did they think they made an error of judgement (twice as they had to apologise for the first apology). As someone pointed out it would be unacceptable to you if they spoke to a black person like this at a BNP March, but yet again your anti Jewish prejudice surfaces in a post.
 

The police were wrong, and have therefore apologised, we know exactly why you don’t seem able to leave it at that. 

Edited 22 April, 2024 by Lord Duckhunter

[Turkish]

14 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

So why did the police apologise? Are they part of this vast far right conspiracy you seem to think exists or did they think they made an error of judgement (twice as they had to apologise for the first apology). As someone pointed out it would be unacceptable to you if they spoke to a black person like this at a BNP March, but yet again your anti Jewish prejudice surfaces in a post.
 

The police were wrong, and have therefore apologised, we know exactly why you don’t seem able to leave it at that. 

Are we to take from this that Soggy wasn't one of the ones who understand there is more to the Daily Mail article, then?

[Lord Duckhunter]

I thought Sunak was British Jews” PM, obviously some think not. I wonder if Soggy agrees with ex political editor of his beloved Guardian 

 

[rallyboy]

While dealing with a professional protester the Met were clumsy with language and apologised, badly.

But the original tale of innocent lone Jewish man just trying to go about his business in scary Londonistan has been exposed as a poorly-executed PR stunt that is currently backfiring and showing him to be an opportunist who thought he could generate some decent column inches for the groups he works for.

His PR campaign just fell apart on first contact with the truth.

[AlexLaw76]

50 minutes ago, rallyboy said:

While dealing with a professional protester the Met were clumsy with language and apologised, badly.

But the original tale of innocent lone Jewish man just trying to go about his business in scary Londonistan has been exposed as a poorly-executed PR stunt that is currently backfiring and showing him to be an opportunist who thought he could generate some decent column inches for the groups he works for.

His PR campaign just fell apart on first contact with the truth.

What would be your view if someone being openly Muslim, or openly Rastafarian, was arrested or dealt with in the same way?

Edited 22 April, 2024 by AlexLaw76

[badgerx16]

9 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

What would be your view if someone being openly Muslim, or openly Rastafarian, was arrested or dealt with in the same way?

Whilst being deliberately antagonistic and clearly not willing to listen to the Policeman's offer to help him in a less inflammatory way ? Gideon Falter has a history of provocative activism. He went to the protest with a group of other activists, some of whom were there to film his actions and the response of the Police. It was not a case of one man trying to cross the road.

Edited 22 April, 2024 by badgerx16

[whelk]

Whilst I don’t doubt there may well have been a stunt element it is interesting that posters seem to support where their views tend to lie.

An easier way might be to get all Jews to wear stars on their arms then it would be a lot easier to know who needed to be kept safe?

Edited 22 April, 2024 by whelk

[badgerx16]

3 minutes ago, whelk said:

 

An easier way might be to get all Jews to wear stars on their arms then they would be a lot easier to know who needed to be kept safe?

Now whose mask has slipped ?

( See how silly this game is ? )

Edited 22 April, 2024 by badgerx16

[whelk]

Just now, badgerx16 said:

Now whose mask has slipped ?

I had you down as brighter than that Badger

[Lord Duckhunter]

2 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

What would be your view if someone being openly Muslim, or openly Rastafarian, was arrested or dealt with in the same way?

They wouldn’t say the language was “clumsy” that’s for sure. As we’ve seen on here “clumsy” seems to be the get out when it comes to those pesky Jews. 

[badgerx16]

18 minutes ago, whelk said:

I had you down as brighter than that Badger

Ditto

[rallyboy]

2 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

What would be your view if someone being openly Muslim, or openly Rastafarian, was arrested or dealt with in the same way?

Exactly the same, just as any normal person would think - let me explain it to you as you are clearly struggling to grasp the concept.

If someone stood outside a Synagogue waving a Palestinian flag they would be there just to create an incident, to provoke a reaction.

If someone rolled up at the cenotaph in a German uniform, if someone attended a paedophile victim's funeral wearing a Jimmy Savile mask, or if someone wanted to walk in the opposite direction to any sort of peaceful march, it's just attention-seeking and designed to disturb the peace.

Like our friend at the weekend, him and his gang and his security, paid for by various groups, were trying to force their way onto a peaceful march and walk in the opposite direction, so the Met stopped a clash that he was desperately trying to create.

More importantly, why do you need so much simple stuff explained?

 

[AlexLaw76]

1 minute ago, rallyboy said:

Exactly the same, just as any normal person would think - let me explain it to you as you are clearly struggling to grasp the concept.

If someone stood outside a Synagogue waving a Palestinian flag they would be there just to create an incident, to provoke a reaction.

If someone rolled up at the cenotaph in a German uniform, if someone attended a paedophile victim's funeral wearing a Jimmy Savile mask, or if someone wanted to walk in the opposite direction to any sort of peaceful march, it's just attention-seeking and designed to disturb the peace.

Like our friend at the weekend, him and his gang and his security, paid for by various groups, were trying to force their way onto a peaceful march and walk in the opposite direction, so the Met stopped a clash that he was desperately trying to create.

More importantly, why do you need so much simple stuff explained?

 

You are equating being opening jewish to wearing a Jimmy Saville mask.

Good to know

[Fan The Flames]

11 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

They wouldn’t say the language was “clumsy” that’s for sure. As we’ve seen on here “clumsy” seems to be the get out when it comes to those pesky Jews. 

Because in an off the cuff conversion in a moving situation words and sentences are not fully considered before being spoken.

It's a high bar to expect a copper to get it right every time. I feel sorry for that policeman and so does Gideon Falter.

[sadoldgit]

1 hour ago, whelk said:

Whilst I don’t doubt there may well have been a stunt element it is interesting that posters seem to support where their views tend to lie.

An easier way might be to get all Jews to wear stars on their arms then it would be a lot easier to know who needed to be kept safe?

Seriously??? We have reached a new low. The only surprise is that it isn’t one of the others who got there first.

[whelk]

40 minutes ago, rallyboy said:

Exactly the same, just as any normal person would think - let me explain it to you as you are clearly struggling to grasp the concept.

If someone stood outside a Synagogue waving a Palestinian flag they would be there just to create an incident, to provoke a reaction.

If someone rolled up at the cenotaph in a German uniform, if someone attended a paedophile victim's funeral wearing a Jimmy Savile mask, or if someone wanted to walk in the opposite direction to any sort of peaceful march, it's just attention-seeking and designed to disturb the peace.

Like our friend at the weekend, him and his gang and his security, paid for by various groups, were trying to force their way onto a peaceful march and walk in the opposite direction, so the Met stopped a clash that he was desperately trying to create.

More importantly, why do you need so much simple stuff explained?

 

So Jews not Israelis are the provocateurs? Okay then. 
 

Nice choice of language when referring to a Jewish ‘friend’- force, gang, paid for.
 

don’t tell me you are just a peace loving neutral?

 

[whelk]

2 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Seriously??? We have reached a new low. The only surprise is that it isn’t one of the others who got there first.

What are you talking about you soppy old fool? 

[Lord Duckhunter]

57 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Seriously??? We have reached a new low

We have. We have a bloke wearing a Kippah being compared to someone in a Jimmy Savile mask. Unbelievable….

[rallyboy]

1 hour ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

We have. We have a bloke wearing a Kippah being compared to someone in a Jimmy Savile mask. Unbelievable….

Unbelievable indeed - because you just made it up by ignoring the rest of the post.

And don't bother responding, you are clearly beyond sensible debate and bring nothing useful to this discussion.

No really, don't bother.

Thanks.

 

 

[inspectorfrost]

http://Evidence, eyewitnesses challenge Falter’s claims he was stopped for just crossing road – SKWAWKBOX

[sadoldgit]

20 hours ago, inspectorfrost said:

http://Evidence, eyewitnesses challenge Falter’s claims he was stopped for just crossing road – SKWAWKBOX

A very interesting read, especially the comments from the group of people in attendance in support of the pro Palestinian march who said that they were “openly Jewish” at the event and are descendants of Holocaust survivors. I think we can assume with a level of certainty that these people are not antisemites.

 

[Lord Duckhunter]