badgerx16 Posted 8 April, 2024 Posted 8 April, 2024 On 08/04/2024 at 12:05, Lord Duckhunter said: No, it makes you a fucking weirdo. Expand Or desperate.
hypochondriac Posted 8 April, 2024 Posted 8 April, 2024 On 07/04/2024 at 21:05, whelk said: Starting to really worry about SOG’s mental health. Having conversations with imaginary people. Fair effort though Expand Who are all these people that don't want peace in the middle east that's what I want to know.
Lord Duckhunter Posted 8 April, 2024 Posted 8 April, 2024 (edited) On 07/04/2024 at 19:23, sadoldgit said: This strange rationale that you have that everyone on the planet is open to criticism apart from Jewish people really is bizarre. Expand Where have a said that? I seriously think you need educating on the difference between “Jewish people” & Isreali people. If I started discussing Jamaica and started saying “black people” this and “black people” that, I’d quite rightly be called a racist. You seem incapable of understanding what you’re doing wrong, the fact you continue to do it, together with the way you appear to revel in your ignorance, is pretty disturbing imo. Edited 8 April, 2024 by Lord Duckhunter 1
aintforever Posted 8 April, 2024 Posted 8 April, 2024 On 08/04/2024 at 12:39, Lord Duckhunter said: Where have a said that? I seriously think you need educating on the difference between “Jewish people” & Isreali people. If I started discussing Jamaica and started saying “black people” this and “black people” that, I’d quite rightly be called a racist. You seem incapable of understanding what you’re doing wrong, the fact you continue to do it, together with the way you appear to revel in your ignorance, is pretty disturbing imo. Expand It is clumsy language that is for sure, particularly as many Jewish people also find the actions of Israel repugnant. The problem is, when a country calls itself a 'Jewish State' some people are bound to associate the race with it and it's actions.
AlexLaw76 Posted 8 April, 2024 Posted 8 April, 2024 On 08/04/2024 at 13:49, aintforever said: It is clumsy language that is for sure, particularly as many Jewish people also find the actions of Israel repugnant. The problem is, when a country calls itself a 'Jewish State' some people are bound to associate the race with it and it's actions. Expand Ah right, the excuse for overt racism.
aintforever Posted 8 April, 2024 Posted 8 April, 2024 On 08/04/2024 at 13:53, AlexLaw76 said: Ah right, the excuse for overt racism. Expand Could be the words of a racist, could just be clumsy language that is why I wrote the 'for sure' bit. I'm not making excuses for anyone.
sadoldgit Posted 8 April, 2024 Posted 8 April, 2024 (edited) On 08/04/2024 at 12:39, Lord Duckhunter said: Where have a said that? I seriously think you need educating on the difference between “Jewish people” & Isreali people. If I started discussing Jamaica and started saying “black people” this and “black people” that, I’d quite rightly be called a racist. You seem incapable of understanding what you’re doing wrong, the fact you continue to do it, together with the way you appear to revel in your ignorance, is pretty disturbing imo. Expand When you posted that it was antisemetic to criticise Jews. You seem to be the one with the problem and can’t help conflating my criticism of Netanyahu, his government (which is the Israeli government) and the actions of the IDF with a perceived idea that I hate Jewish people. I haven’t criticised anyone for their religion or race for that matter, just their conduct. As for your comment Batman/Delldays, given your posting history it is the height of hypocrisy to accuse someone else of overt racism. Shouldn’t you been trawling the internet looking for more Asian rape gangs? Edited 8 April, 2024 by sadoldgit
whelk Posted 8 April, 2024 Posted 8 April, 2024 On 07/04/2024 at 19:23, sadoldgit said: 9. Because you have a basic hatred of certain parts of humanity along with a small number of other posters on here, it doesn’t follow that everybody else does. Not everyone is a bigot. Expand This line epitomises SOG’s problem. Disagrees with someone so makes a wide ranging claim about hatred. I have completely different politics to Duck but can appreciate Tories aren’t of their opinions because they are all the devil incarnate. As said before a simpleton's 6th form view of the world. SOG cannot disagree agreeably has to brand people racists or Nazis. 4
AlexLaw76 Posted 8 April, 2024 Posted 8 April, 2024 On 08/04/2024 at 14:47, whelk said: This line epitomises SOG’s problem. Disagrees with someone so makes a wide ranging claim about hatred. I have completely different politics to Duck but can appreciate Tories aren’t of their opinions because they are all the devil incarnate. As said before a simpleton's 6th form view of the world. SOG cannot disagree agreeably has to brand people racists or Nazis. Expand
Turkish Posted 8 April, 2024 Posted 8 April, 2024 (edited) On 08/04/2024 at 13:59, aintforever said: Could be the words of a racist, could just be clumsy language that is why I wrote the 'for sure' bit. I'm not making excuses for anyone. Expand he's been pulled up on his "clumsy language" multiple times by numerous people, yet he continues to use it so it's not like he's totally unaware the words he is using are wrong. If people kept on telling you the words you are using as a minimum wrong and could also be considered racist and offensive, why on earth would you continually use them unless you were very ignorant, very thick or what people say you are? Edited 8 April, 2024 by Turkish
Lord Duckhunter Posted 8 April, 2024 Posted 8 April, 2024 On 21/06/2023 at 09:33, sadoldgit said: but given the way that Jewish people have been discriminated against through the ages their treatment of the Palestinians does them no credit. Expand On 08/04/2024 at 14:00, sadoldgit said: You seem to be the one with the problem and can’t help conflating my criticism of Netanyahu, his government (which is the Israeli government) and the actions of the IDF with a perceived idea that I hate Jewish people. I haven’t criticised anyone for their religion or race for that matter, just their conduct. Expand Keep on digging….
sadoldgit Posted 8 April, 2024 Posted 8 April, 2024 (edited) On 08/04/2024 at 12:02, Lord Duckhunter said: The mask slips again. Bit of advice. It would have been better to have written “Israelis are just as accountable for their actions as everyone else”. Expand I mention “Jewish people” specifically because you specifically have said that anyone criticising “Jewish people” is antisemetic”. It really isn’t hard to understand unless you are being deliberately obtuse. No one is above criticism. So no slipping mask. Just a case of stating the obvious. *Your exact words were, “I call people who criticise Jews antisemitic”. Edited 8 April, 2024 by sadoldgit Added text 2
Lord Duckhunter Posted 8 April, 2024 Posted 8 April, 2024 On 08/04/2024 at 17:13, sadoldgit said: I mention “Jewish people” specifically because you specifically have said that anyone criticising “Jewish people” is antisemetic”. It really isn’t hard to understand unless you are being deliberately obtuse. No one is above criticism. So no slipping mask. Just a case of stating the obvious. *Your exact words were, “I call people who criticise Jews antisemitic”. Expand
badgerx16 Posted 9 April, 2024 Posted 9 April, 2024 Germany accused by Nicaragua of enabling genocide in Gaza, at the International Court of Justice.
Fan The Flames Posted 9 April, 2024 Posted 9 April, 2024 I see the Israelis are saying it's mission accomplished in South Gaza, coincidentally days after the Biden phone call.
Fan The Flames Posted 9 April, 2024 Posted 9 April, 2024 On 08/04/2024 at 12:21, hypochondriac said: Who are all these people that don't want peace in the middle east that's what I want to know. Expand Do the Israeli government want peace, they've spent millions on trying to live safely without peace. Do some of the Arab/Muslim states want peace, if it means it loosens their grip on domestic power. 1
hypochondriac Posted 9 April, 2024 Posted 9 April, 2024 On 09/04/2024 at 07:29, Fan The Flames said: Do the Israeli government want peace, they've spent millions on trying to live safely without peace. Do some of the Arab/Muslim states want peace, if it means it loosens their grip on domestic power. Expand Well I was talking about the mythical people on here that soggy seems to think don't want peace but yes you are correct that the Arab and Muslim states do not want any peace with Israel. Any Jews on that land is intolerable to them.
hypochondriac Posted 9 April, 2024 Posted 9 April, 2024 Interesting clip that's worth a watch: https://x.com/HilzFuld/status/1777301113412239442?t=AH0mvLSR0CX7o538RZnZRQ&s=09
egg Posted 9 April, 2024 Author Posted 9 April, 2024 On 09/04/2024 at 08:40, hypochondriac said: Well I was talking about the mythical people on here that soggy seems to think don't want peace but yes you are correct that the Arab and Muslim states do not want any peace with Israel. Any Jews on that land is intolerable to them. Expand Err. What about Israel opposing a Palestinian state? Fortunately Australia seem to have sense. Them recognising Palestine as a state may start something meaningful. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-09/austalian-government-considers-recognising-state-of-palestine/103687666 1
egg Posted 9 April, 2024 Author Posted 9 April, 2024 On 09/04/2024 at 07:23, Fan The Flames said: I see the Israelis are saying it's mission accomplished in South Gaza, coincidentally days after the Biden phone call. Expand They're not saying that at all. They're saying they're invading Rafah, that a date has been set, and that nobody's gonna stop them.
egg Posted 9 April, 2024 Author Posted 9 April, 2024 On 09/04/2024 at 09:20, hypochondriac said: Interesting clip that's worth a watch: https://x.com/HilzFuld/status/1777301113412239442?t=AH0mvLSR0CX7o538RZnZRQ&s=09 Expand Interesting if it's correct that 13k from 32k deaths are Hamas soldiers. Personally I find that very hard to believe. Everything I've read, even on the likes of the BBC, makes it clear that they've attacked innocent civilians throughout without any justification. The argument that the US were even worse in Mosul doesn't let the Israeli's off the hook for their behaviour. It also overlooks the weaponising of food, water, medicine, and mass destruction of civilian infrastructure which I would hope we all accept has been happening. 1
Lord Duckhunter Posted 9 April, 2024 Posted 9 April, 2024 On 09/04/2024 at 13:35, egg said: even on the likes of the BBC, Expand Are you taking the piss?
egg Posted 9 April, 2024 Author Posted 9 April, 2024 On 09/04/2024 at 14:38, Lord Duckhunter said: Are you taking the piss? Expand If you ask a question with a proper question mate, we might get somewhere. 2
Fan The Flames Posted 9 April, 2024 Posted 9 April, 2024 On 09/04/2024 at 14:38, Lord Duckhunter said: Are you taking the piss? Expand Hilarious trigger response. 1
Fan The Flames Posted 9 April, 2024 Posted 9 April, 2024 On 09/04/2024 at 13:26, egg said: They're not saying that at all. They're saying they're invading Rafah, that a date has been set, and that nobody's gonna stop them. Expand There was an Israeli spokesperson on R4 yesterday morning saying this, I will take a listen back I might have got it completely wrong.
egg Posted 10 April, 2024 Author Posted 10 April, 2024 Spain now following Australia in saying that they're ready to acknowledge a Palestinian state, ie 2 states. Also describing the Israel response to the 7/10 attacks as "completely disproportionate". https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-middle-east-68777333?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=6616486b683d4b45f9381924%26Spain 'ready to acknowledge Palestinian state' - PM%262024-04-10T08%3A58%3A43.865Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:ea732864-10f2-4164-9ee4-78d8b6dd1ef0&pinned_post_asset_id=6616486b683d4b45f9381924&pinned_post_type=share
benjii Posted 10 April, 2024 Posted 10 April, 2024 On 09/04/2024 at 08:40, hypochondriac said: Well I was talking about the mythical people on here that soggy seems to think don't want peace but yes you are correct that the Arab and Muslim states do not want any peace with Israel. Any Jews on that land is intolerable to them. Expand This is retarded. Which "Arab and Muslim states" have a policy of zero Jews in Palestine? 2
egg Posted 10 April, 2024 Author Posted 10 April, 2024 On 10/04/2024 at 18:16, benjii said: This is retarded. Which "Arab and Muslim states" have a policy of zero Jews in Palestine? Expand Yep. I'm also unclear how it's felt ok to term unspecified countries as "Arab and Muslim states" but not Israel as a "Jewish state". No doubt someone can clear that up.
Lighthouse Posted 10 April, 2024 Posted 10 April, 2024 On 10/04/2024 at 18:16, benjii said: This is retarded. Which "Arab and Muslim states" have a policy of zero Jews in Palestine? Expand Probably quite a few, unfortunately for them Israel’s military is a bit too good to actually enforce such a policy.
egg Posted 10 April, 2024 Author Posted 10 April, 2024 On 10/04/2024 at 19:09, Lighthouse said: Probably quite a few, unfortunately for them Israel’s military is a bit too good to actually enforce such a policy. Expand Who? Source for their policies?
inspectorfrost Posted 10 April, 2024 Posted 10 April, 2024 On 04/04/2024 at 09:01, whelk said: The comment wasn’t defensive. Quite confident that we are not going to come up with a workable solution on Saintsweb however well meaning the desire for love, peace and harmony. Some of IDF’s behaviour is horrendous and is doing nothing to help anyone side with them. Netanyahu’s govt is unpopular however 7/10 has united Israel’s population largely on supporting Hamas being wiped out. And yes hearts and minds and all that reduce support but fact is the Palestinians and Hamas’s capability has been fucked now. Israel aren’t a rational diplomatic enemy as the Iranians found out recently in Syria. Don’t fuck with them, they have a siege mentality and 7/10 attacks were an act of folly. Expand Most of Hamas' senior leadership/capability/support aren't in Palestine. One potential issue is Iran/Hezbollah/etc/etc. waiting to send the cavalry in. They don't exactly need to start a recruitment campaign for a sizable insurgency. The US found that one out 20 years ago
Lighthouse Posted 10 April, 2024 Posted 10 April, 2024 On 10/04/2024 at 19:28, egg said: Who? Source for their policies? Expand Well it’s not the greatest source but apparently there are 36 sovereign nations which don’t acknowledge Israel’s right to exist at all. https://brilliantmaps.com/israel-foreign-relations/
egg Posted 11 April, 2024 Author Posted 11 April, 2024 On 10/04/2024 at 22:14, Lighthouse said: Well it’s not the greatest source but apparently there are 36 sovereign nations which don’t acknowledge Israel’s right to exist at all. https://brilliantmaps.com/israel-foreign-relations/ Expand Yep, but that's not the point that you and Hypo were making (up).
aintforever Posted 11 April, 2024 Posted 11 April, 2024 On 10/04/2024 at 22:14, Lighthouse said: Well it’s not the greatest source but apparently there are 36 sovereign nations which don’t acknowledge Israel’s right to exist at all. https://brilliantmaps.com/israel-foreign-relations/ Expand You do realise that being against the formation of the state of Israel is very different to wanting to get rid of all Jewish people?
whelk Posted 11 April, 2024 Posted 11 April, 2024 On 11/04/2024 at 09:40, aintforever said: You do realise that being against the formation of the state of Israel is very different to wanting to get rid of all Jewish people? Expand Are you against the formation of Israel?
egg Posted 11 April, 2024 Author Posted 11 April, 2024 On 11/04/2024 at 09:57, whelk said: Are you against the formation of Israel? Expand I'm not sure that anyone has suggested that they are. It was necessary, and it still is. I'm more interested in knowing who's in favour of a free Palestinian state alongside Israel. 1
hypochondriac Posted 11 April, 2024 Posted 11 April, 2024 On 11/04/2024 at 10:29, egg said: I'm not sure that anyone has suggested that they are. It was necessary, and it still is. I'm more interested in knowing who's in favour of a free Palestinian state alongside Israel. Expand I'd be happy with a Palestinian state alongside Israel. Would the Palestinians be happy with that?
badgerx16 Posted 11 April, 2024 Posted 11 April, 2024 On 11/04/2024 at 10:44, hypochondriac said: I'd be happy with a Palestinian state alongside Israel. Would the Palestinians be happy with that? Expand If the Israelis withdrew completely from the West Bank, I suspect most of them probably would be.
egg Posted 11 April, 2024 Author Posted 11 April, 2024 (edited) On 11/04/2024 at 10:44, hypochondriac said: I'd be happy with a Palestinian state alongside Israel. Would the Palestinians be happy with that? Expand What Badger said. Israel have said that they wouldn't be thou, and the settlement policy highlights their stance sadly. Edited 11 April, 2024 by egg 1
sadoldgit Posted 11 April, 2024 Posted 11 April, 2024 The saddest thing is that there are vast amounts of Israelis and Palestinians who probably would be quite happy to live alongside each other but can’t because of their extremist nationalistic governments.
aintforever Posted 11 April, 2024 Posted 11 April, 2024 On 11/04/2024 at 09:57, whelk said: Are you against the formation of Israel? Expand No.
hypochondriac Posted 11 April, 2024 Posted 11 April, 2024 On 11/04/2024 at 11:20, sadoldgit said: The saddest thing is that there are vast amounts of Israelis and Palestinians who probably would be quite happy to live alongside each other but can’t because of their extremist nationalistic governments. Expand There's a few accounts that many living in Kibbutz Be’eri were quite up for living next to Palestinians. Then a load of them got raped, burnt alive etc. Seems like a pretty naive attitude to have tbh.
hypochondriac Posted 11 April, 2024 Posted 11 April, 2024 (edited) On 11/04/2024 at 11:02, egg said: What Badger said. Israel have said that they wouldn't be thou, and the settlement policy highlights their stance sadly. Expand So your contention is that in those circumastances, a majority of Palestinians would recognise Israel's right to exist? Obviously there are many examples of Hamas members saying the exact opposite. Do you think Hamas are unpopular in Palestine? Edited 11 April, 2024 by hypochondriac
Fan The Flames Posted 11 April, 2024 Posted 11 April, 2024 On 11/04/2024 at 11:47, rallyboy said: Why so many questions? Expand I don't know, why do you think there are so many?
Lighthouse Posted 11 April, 2024 Posted 11 April, 2024 On 11/04/2024 at 09:40, aintforever said: You do realise that being against the formation of the state of Israel is very different to wanting to get rid of all Jewish people? Expand I’m sure those same states would be happy enough to tolerate Jewish people living on that land. Just so long as they’re a second class ethnic minority, who submit to strict Islamic law and give up on silly Jewish, secular ideas such as voting, women’s rights, gay bars, music festivals, freedom of expression, clothing and apostasy.
hypochondriac Posted 11 April, 2024 Posted 11 April, 2024 On 11/04/2024 at 12:07, Lighthouse said: I’m sure those same states would be happy enough to tolerate Jewish people living on that land. Just so long as they’re a second class ethnic minority, who submit to strict Islamic law and give up on silly Jewish, secular ideas such as voting, women’s rights, gay bars, music festivals, freedom of expression, clothing and apostasy. Expand Expect they'd want them paying the jizya too.
badgerx16 Posted 11 April, 2024 Posted 11 April, 2024 (edited) On 11/04/2024 at 12:07, Lighthouse said: I’m sure those same states would be happy enough to tolerate Jewish people living on that land. Just so long as they’re a second class ethnic minority, who submit to strict Islamic law and give up on silly Jewish, secular ideas such as voting, women’s rights, gay bars, music festivals, freedom of expression, clothing and apostasy. Expand Some of the coalition parties in Netanyahu's government are vehemently anti-arab, oppose any form of 2 State solution, are against gay rights, mysogynistic, want the Government and Law to more closely follow the religious texts, and are often described as "facist'. Edited 11 April, 2024 by badgerx16 2
aintforever Posted 11 April, 2024 Posted 11 April, 2024 On 11/04/2024 at 12:07, Lighthouse said: I’m sure those same states would be happy enough to tolerate Jewish people living on that land. Just so long as they’re a second class ethnic minority, who submit to strict Islamic law and give up on silly Jewish, secular ideas such as voting, women’s rights, gay bars, music festivals, freedom of expression, clothing and apostasy. Expand Can you not vote in Malaysia then?
egg Posted 11 April, 2024 Author Posted 11 April, 2024 On 11/04/2024 at 11:38, hypochondriac said: So your contention is that in those circumastances, a majority of Palestinians would recognise Israel's right to exist? Obviously there are many examples of Hamas members saying the exact opposite. Do you think Hamas are unpopular in Palestine? Expand You're inability to look at this with balance makes discussion impossible Hypo. Israel do not respect the land that the Palestinians already have and constantly settle it and force Palestinians from their land. They oppose 2 states. If the Palestinians supported 2 states, the fact that the Israeli's don't (and wouldn't based on their form in the west bank), means that sustained peace is impossible 1
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