rallyboy Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 The two who have posted laughing emojis on a link to children being killed, please explain the joke? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 34 minutes ago, rallyboy said: The two who have posted laughing emojis on a link to children being killed, please explain the joke? I suspect it is at the poster not the link. Whilst I used to be more sympathetic to SOG and the abuse he received, he is actually quite judgemental assuming he knows other posters’ views and quite quick to brand them as hateful, far right, Islamophobic etc. So I have concluded he gets what he deserves and is not an innocent party. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 2 hours ago, aintforever said: Everyone is aware, but nothing is done about it, that is probably part of SOG's point. Do you expect posters on a 'mong board' to be doing something about it? Maybe we should engage in some more hand winging or stand outside on a Thursday evening banging pots and pans, that's how shit gets done isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdmickey3 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 1 hour ago, rallyboy said: The two who have posted laughing emojis on a link to children being killed, please explain the joke? They are utter wankers HTH 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 45 minutes ago, whelk said: I suspect it is at the poster not the link. Whilst I used to be more sympathetic to SOG and the abuse he received, he is actually quite judgemental assuming he knows other posters’ views and quite quick to brand them as hateful, far right, Islamophobic etc. So I have concluded he gets what he deserves and is not an innocent party. This. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 3 hours ago, aintforever said: Everyone is aware, but nothing is done about it, that is probably part of SOG's point. As Frankie Boyle says: "If we can have a genocide live-streamed during the Super Bowl and say nothing, theres no challenge in the coming years that we won’t fail." Very little can be done about it. People are still clearly failing to grasp the motivations and emotions of the people involved, instead trying to rationalise everything through the mental model of a western, liberal bloke on the internet 2000 miles away. I don't know how many times it has to be said, Hamas do not want peace. Just because people on Twitter with #BLM, an LGBTAIQ+ flag and a Palestinian flag keep shouting about it, that's not what's actually in play. Hamas wants Israel wiped off the face of the Earth, a lot of people in the region support them because of centuries of religious dogma. That's not going to change and the Israelis know it. They'll use whatever force they want to go after Hamas and they wont care what the rest of the world thinks. As much as anything they will want to send a message, 'look what happens to you if you orchestrate or are complicit in an event like 7/10'. This is just the latest chapter in a conflict that's been going on for centuries and will still be going on long after we're gone. Saying that we should have some sort of vote on all of this is just laughable IMO, the sort of thing Neville Chamberlain would do. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 7 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: Very little can be done about it. People are still clearly failing to grasp the motivations and emotions of the people involved, instead trying to rationalise everything through the mental model of a western, liberal bloke on the internet 2000 miles away. I don't know how many times it has to be said, Hamas do not want peace. Just because people on Twitter with #BLM, an LGBTAIQ+ flag and a Palestinian flag keep shouting about it, that's not what's actually in play. Hamas wants Israel wiped off the face of the Earth, a lot of people in the region support them because of centuries of religious dogma. That's not going to change and the Israelis know it. They'll use whatever force they want to go after Hamas and they wont care what the rest of the world thinks. As much as anything they will want to send a message, 'look what happens to you if you orchestrate or are complicit in an event like 7/10'. This is just the latest chapter in a conflict that's been going on for centuries and will still be going on long after we're gone. Saying that we should have some sort of vote on all of this is just laughable IMO, the sort of thing Neville Chamberlain would do. Are you saying screaming abuse in families faces going to McDonalds isn’t going to help solve this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 9 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: As much as anything they will want to send a message, 'look what happens to you if you orchestrate or are complicit in an event like 7/10'. That was clear and for Hamas to claim otherwise is beyond belief. Still they have the achievement of loads more people on Western university campuses hating Israel - Hamas clearly don’t give a fuck about Palestinian innocents getting slaughtered. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 37 minutes ago, whelk said: That was clear and for Hamas to claim otherwise is beyond belief. Still they have the achievement of loads more people on Western university campuses hating Israel - Hamas clearly don’t give a fuck about Palestinian innocents getting slaughtered. Have said that for months. No one can articulate what this peace will look like. I assume they mean Israel just stop and let Hamas go back to plotting to parachute into Jerusalem and rape and murder them. Clearly the current Israeli campaign is to send a message like Lighthouse said but also to critically wound or kill Hamas' capability to threaten Israel in the medium to long term. I reckon they'll have a pretty decent chance of doing so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 5 hours ago, whelk said: Hamas clearly don’t give a fuck about Palestinian innocents getting slaughtered. No innocents have been slaughtered, there's only been a carefully orchestrated targeting of militants - all those kids, the hilariously dead ones, terrorists, every single one. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 1 hour ago, rallyboy said: No innocents have been slaughtered, there's only been a carefully orchestrated targeting of militants - all those kids, the hilariously dead ones, terrorists, every single one. However you wish to categorise them, Hamas give not a single solitary fuck about any of them which was the point of the post. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 Plans to build 3400 more homes for Israeli settlers in the occupied West Bank have been approved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 (edited) On 04/03/2024 at 22:34, rallyboy said: No innocents have been slaughtered, there's only been a carefully orchestrated targeting of militants - all those kids, the hilariously dead ones, terrorists, every single one. It’s incredible isn’t it? Anyone would think that Netanyahu and the IDF didn’t have a choice in the way that they planned their military response. Still, this particular poster thinks that the tens of thousands of dead civilians deserved all they got because they were wives, children, uncles, aunties, mothers, fathers, grand mothers, grandfathers and friends of the Hamas military. And that doesn’t include their own countrymen and women that have been killed by “friendly fire”. I guess they deserved what they got too for being too near Hamas fighters. Oh, and the two Israeli hostages who were shot whilst waving a white flag and clearly unarmed. Not near Hamas at the time but they had been previously so it is clearly down to Hamas that they were shot dead by their own countrymen. Hilarious. Edited March 6 by sadoldgit 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 37 minutes ago, sadoldgit said: Still, this particular poster thinks You are somewhat obsessed with other posters. Amazing how much insight you have into their views. No one quite as lovely as caring old SOG eh 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 1 hour ago, sadoldgit said: It’s incredible isn’t it? Anyone would think that Netanyahu and the IDF didn’t have a choice in the way that they planned their military response. Still, this particular poster thinks that the tens of thousands of dead civilians deserved all they got because they were wives, children, uncles, aunties, mothers, fathers, grand mothers, grandfathers and friends of the Hamas military. And that doesn’t include their own countrymen and women that have been killed by “friendly fire”. I guess they deserved what they got too for being too near Hamas fighters. Oh, and the two Israeli hostages who were shot whilst waving a white flag and clearly unarmed. Not near Hamas at the time but they had been previously so it is clearly down to Hamas that they were shot dead by their own countrymen. Hilarious. "This particular poster"..........Is it like in BeetleJuice, if you name Duckie 3 times he suddenly appears in your living room ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 (edited) 22 hours ago, badgerx16 said: "This particular poster"..........Is it like in BeetleJuice, if you name Duckie 3 times he suddenly appears in your living room ? Heaven forbid Badger, but I was actually referring to a different poster though I guess it also applies to him given his complete disdain towards certain sections of humanity and complete indifference to their suffering. The same individuals still think the death and destruction of tens of thousands of innocent people is worthy of a laughing emoji. Edited March 7 by sadoldgit Added text 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 (edited) On 04/03/2024 at 15:11, whelk said: I suspect it is at the poster not the link. Whilst I used to be more sympathetic to SOG and the abuse he received, he is actually quite judgemental assuming he knows other posters’ views and quite quick to brand them as hateful, far right, Islamophobic etc. So I have concluded he gets what he deserves and is not an innocent party. i've said it for years and taken a lot of flack for it but that is exactly how he is, people are now realising. I had his number a while ago hence why he's got me on ignore i'd have thought. He is actually quite a spiteful bit of work and also arrogantly things he's saving the world calling out racists on a southampton football club fans forum, lol. f you dont share his view 100% he'll brand you all sorts of things and make loads of accusations. He's also been caught out lying numerous times. He wasn't even on my radar until the BLM stuff a few years back when hes started spouting bollocks and accusing everyone of being far right Tommy Robinson fan boys if they didn't agree with him and then plays the victim when he people react. Edited March 7 by Turkish 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 1 hour ago, sadoldgit said: Heaven forbid Badger, but I was actually referring to a different poster though I guess it also applies to him given his complete disdain towards certain sections of humanity and complete indifference to their suffering. Your ignore list seems to be getting smaller by the day. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 2 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said: Your ignore list seems to be getting smaller by the day. It's in direct correlation to the number of marbles he still has control over. Complete weirdo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 5 hours ago, sadoldgit said: but I was actually referring to a different poster I bet they really hate Muslims right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 2 hours ago, whelk said: I bet they really hate Muslims right? Probably that bloody hypo"marriedtoanarab"chondriac. The Islamophobia is sickening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 2 hours ago, whelk said: I bet they really hate Muslims right? Pretty sure the weirdo was referring to you - he replied to Rally's post that had quoted yours. Although who knows who he has on ignore or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 On 06/03/2024 at 17:17, sadoldgit said: It’s incredible isn’t it? Anyone would think that Netanyahu and the IDF didn’t have a choice in the way that they planned their military response. Still, this particular poster thinks that the tens of thousands of dead civilians deserved all they got because they were wives, children, uncles, aunties, mothers, fathers, grand mothers, grandfathers and friends of the Hamas military. And that doesn’t include their own countrymen and women that have been killed by “friendly fire”. I guess they deserved what they got too for being too near Hamas fighters. Oh, and the two Israeli hostages who were shot whilst waving a white flag and clearly unarmed. Not near Hamas at the time but they had been previously so it is clearly down to Hamas that they were shot dead by their own countrymen. Hilarious. Yeah war sucks and causes horrible deaths, friendly fire and terrible consequences for loads of people. Those evil bastards the allies killing all those innocent Germans just because they went and invaded Poland. Why couldn't they have just restricted their killings to just the evil nazi parts and avoided everything else? I mean that's how war works right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted March 7 Author Share Posted March 7 1 hour ago, hypochondriac said: Yeah war sucks and causes horrible deaths, friendly fire and terrible consequences for loads of people. Those evil bastards the allies killing all those innocent Germans just because they went and invaded Poland. Why couldn't they have just restricted their killings to just the evil nazi parts and avoided everything else? I mean that's how war works right? Terrible comparison. WW2 was a war, with actual militaries fighting each. This ain't a war. Hamas is a terrorist organisation. They have no military, navy, or air force. This is Israel smashing the shit out of Gaza (and detaining thousands of West Bank citizens without charge) in response to a terrorist attack. And the continued laughing at SoG's post are a bit pathetic. He's an idiot, but play the post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloucester Saint Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 On 06/03/2024 at 19:01, badgerx16 said: "This particular poster"..........Is it like in BeetleJuice, if you name Duckie 3 times he suddenly appears in your living room ? More like ‘Tanglefoot, Tanglefoot, Tanglefoot’. That should make Duckie appear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 (edited) 31 minutes ago, egg said: They have no military Yes they do they are just made up of cowardly evil bastards who love mutilating Jews then run back and hide amongst civilians. Twats picked the wrong fight Edited March 7 by whelk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 33 minutes ago, egg said: in response to a terrorist attack Hamas are the ruling party and the streets of Gaza were full of celebrations. Not like it was some small cell operating. They even had United Nations staff crossing into Israel with sole purpose of murdering innocents 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted March 7 Author Share Posted March 7 17 minutes ago, whelk said: Yes they do they are just made up of cowardly evil bastards who love mutilating Jews then run back and hide amongst civilians. Twats picked the wrong fight They're either a bunch of terrorists, or a government with an army. They can't be both. Regardless, it ain't remotely comparable to WW2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 35 minutes ago, egg said: They're either a bunch of terrorists, or a government with an army. They can't be both. They absolutely can and are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 52 minutes ago, egg said: They're either a bunch of terrorists, or a government with an army. They can't be both. Regardless, it ain't remotely comparable to WW2. State sponsored terrorism? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 52 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: They absolutely can and are. Same could be said of Israel to be fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted March 7 Author Share Posted March 7 44 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said: State sponsored terrorism? Israel? The Palestinians don't have a state... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 (edited) 2 hours ago, egg said: They're either a bunch of terrorists, or a government with an army. They can't be both. Regardless, it ain't remotely comparable to WW2. Yes they can. The point is that terrible things happen during war for everyone. The point I was making is that that's something that all wars have in common. Even soggy proves that point when he highlights the fact that the IDF have managed to kill people on their own side or hostages. War is chaotic and messy and loads of innocent people get killed. Hamas obviously don't give a single fuck about that though which is why they continue to hold hostages and hide amongst the civilian population whilst refusing to give themselves up. Edited March 7 by hypochondriac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 8 hours ago, egg said: Israel? The Palestinians don't have a state... From the first line of the link : Quote State-sponsored terrorism is terrorist violence carried out with the active support of national governments Hamas is the ruling party of Gaza, but you knew that.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted March 8 Author Share Posted March 8 8 hours ago, hypochondriac said: Yes they can. The point is that terrible things happen during war for everyone. The point I was making is that that's something that all wars have in common. Even soggy proves that point when he highlights the fact that the IDF have managed to kill people on their own side or hostages. War is chaotic and messy and loads of innocent people get killed. Hamas obviously don't give a single fuck about that though which is why they continue to hold hostages and hide amongst the civilian population whilst refusing to give themselves up. This is not a war, it's revenge by Israel. The latter part is bollox. Hamas approach does not mean that they do not give a fuck about the civilians. By your rationale, Israel didn't give a fuck about it's people by their behaviour towards the Palestinian people - your point, if it's right, must cut both ways. Israel hold hostages too, thousands of them. They pick up more Palestinians a week (without charge or explanation) than Hamas hold. Regardless, your WW2 comparison was a poor one. Very poor. 1 hour ago, Weston Super Saint said: From the first line of the link : Hamas is the ruling party of Gaza, but you knew that.... Of course, but apparently they're a terrorist organisation in charge of a non state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 (edited) 30 minutes ago, egg said: This is not a war, it's revenge by Israel. The latter part is bollox. Hamas approach does not mean that they do not give a fuck about the civilians. By your rationale, Israel didn't give a fuck about it's people by their behaviour towards the Palestinian people - your point, if it's right, must cut both ways. Israel hold hostages too, thousands of them. They pick up more Palestinians a week (without charge or explanation) than Hamas hold. Regardless, your WW2 comparison was a poor one. Very poor. Of course, but apparently they're a terrorist organisation in charge of a non state. It wasn't a poor comparison. I wasn't comparing the respective wars I was making the point that terrible things happen during conflicts. Which they do. So it was an apt comparison. Plenty of people disagree with you about this being a war. "a state of armed conflict between countries or groups within a country." Cut and dried. Edited March 8 by hypochondriac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 48 minutes ago, egg said: The latter part is bollox. Hamas approach does not mean that they do not give a fuck about the civilians Er… Hamas want as many innocent Palestinians killed as possible, almost to the extent that they want Israelis killed, you do realise this? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 9 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: Er… Hamas want as many innocent Palestinians killed as possible, almost to the extent that they want Israelis killed, you do realise this? They also hide amongst the population, use them as human shields, take their aid and money to use against Israel etc. But sure they really care about Palestinian civilians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 Absolutely right that this is not a war and that is the main issue here. For the IDF it is like shooting fish in a barrel. The Palestinian people have been herded around a relatively small area of land and have been targeted everywhere they go with no means of escape. They have been denied food, water, medical aid etc. In a war the civilian population can and do move away from the front lines. They can be reached or find aid. They can even make their way to more secure countries. The Palestinian people have no where to go because they have been blockaded for years by the Israelis. Anyone watching the news night after night since last October knows this. To try and pretend that this situation is somehow just another normal armed conflict like say Russia and Ukraine is to try and make excuses for the actions of the Israeli forces under Netanyahu. The reason why so many people are marching or critical of the Israeli actions has nothing to do with hating the Jewish people and everything to do with being sickened at the way large numbers of people are being treated by very well and heavily armed troops intent on raizing their homes and communities to the ground and killing as many of them as they can in the process. This is nothing like a normal war. Netanyahu doesn’t give a flying **** about the hostages. If he did he would take more care in his reprisals against the Palestinian people. The IDF wouldn’t have shelled Israeli homes and a police station full of their own people. To excuse these actions as “messy” is no better than excusing the actions of all those engaged in ethnic cleansing through the ages. This is a deliberate act and has nothing to do with being “messy”. Yes, the actions of Hamas were abhorrent on 7th October but what has happened since is a whole different scenario. Even Israel staunchest allies are now embarrassed by the scale of the deliberate reprisals against women and children and have taken a step back. Hamas are no more effective in this situation than a one legged man in an arse kicking competition. They are not an army. They have no air support. No navy. No artillery. No tanks. They are relatively small groups of terrorists penned in a relatively small area fighting against one of the best armed and drilled fighting machines on the planet. Netanyahu has made it clear he is not going to stop if the remaining living hostages are released. He has made it clear that he is intent on wiping Hamas off the face of the earth but no one knows exactly how many that is and we will never know exactly what is going on and how near he is to achieving that because unlike in “war” outside journalists are not allowed to operate under normal conditions by the Israelis. The only people who can’t see the difference here are those who are totally polarised in their views in support of Israel or who are Islamophobic. Anyone with an ounce of common sense and common decency can understand what is happening and why.This is NOT war. This is ethnic cleansing, pure and simple. And when people follow posts like this with laughing emojis they just make themselves look like a-holes. We have seen in modern warfare just how targeted military responses can be. The Israeli intelligence forces have shown over the years how they can take out individual targets with surgical precision. What they are doing here and now is a carefully planned operation to flatten Gaza and to totally decimate the area to the extent that the living conditions for ordinary civilians no longer exist. Ordinary civilians have been targeted under the excuse that some terrorists may be hiding amongst them. They have even been deliberately targeted when it is clear that no Hamas members are present. Carry on trying to make excuses for what is going on, more and more people see it for what it is. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 (edited) "a state of armed conflict between countries or groups within a country. Not a war if the civilian population are on the front lines." Ah I missed that particular definition. My mistake. It's obviously not a war then... Also suggesting that it's the Israeli's fault that the civilians can't flee Palestine. Tell that to the country that's closed the border. If Hamas surrender and release the hostages and this continues then 99% of those with an opinion on this will be against Israel. But that hasn't happened so a bit pointless talking about what might happen if that fantasy situation occurred. Edited March 8 by hypochondriac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 The only reason you don't think it's a war is because one side is much stronger than the other one. The logical extension of that is that you'd consider it a war if Hamas had more deadly weapons and a greater capacity to kill Israelis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 (edited) 3 hours ago, sadoldgit said: Absolutely right that this is not a war and that is the main issue here. For the IDF it is like shooting fish in a barrel. The Palestinian people have been herded around a relatively small area of land and have been targeted everywhere they go with no means of escape. They have been denied food, water, medical aid etc. In a war the civilian population can and do move away from the front lines. They can be reached or find aid. They can even make their way to more secure countries. The Palestinian people have no where to go because they have been blockaded for years by the Israelis. Anyone watching the news night after night since last October knows this. To try and pretend that this situation is somehow just another normal armed conflict like say Russia and Ukraine is to try and make excuses for the actions of the Israeli forces under Netanyahu. The reason why so many people are marching or critical of the Israeli actions has nothing to do with hating the Jewish people and everything to do with being sickened at the way large numbers of people are being treated by very well and heavily armed troops intent on raizing their homes and communities to the ground and killing as many of them as they can in the process. This is nothing like a normal war. Netanyahu doesn’t give a flying **** about the hostages. If he did he would take more care in his reprisals against the Palestinian people. The IDF wouldn’t have shelled Israeli homes and a police station full of their own people. To excuse these actions as “messy” is no better than excusing the actions of all those engaged in ethnic cleansing through the ages. This is a deliberate act and has nothing to do with being “messy”. Yes, the actions of Hamas were abhorrent on 7th October but what has happened since is a whole different scenario. Even Israel staunchest allies are now embarrassed by the scale of the deliberate reprisals against women and children and have taken a step back. Hamas are no more effective in this situation than a one legged man in an arse kicking competition. They are not an army. They have no air support. No navy. No artillery. No tanks. They are relatively small groups of terrorists penned in a relatively small area fighting against one of the best armed and drilled fighting machines on the planet. Netanyahu has made it clear he is not going to stop if the remaining living hostages are released. He has made it clear that he is intent on wiping Hamas off the face of the earth but no one knows exactly how many that is and we will never know exactly what is going on and how near he is to achieving that because unlike in “war” outside journalists are not allowed to operate under normal conditions by the Israelis. The only people who can’t see the difference here are those who are totally polarised in their views in support of Israel or who are Islamophobic. Anyone with an ounce of common sense and common decency can understand what is happening and why.This is NOT war. This is ethnic cleansing, pure and simple. And when people follow posts like this with laughing emojis they just make themselves look like a-holes. We have seen in modern warfare just how targeted military responses can be. The Israeli intelligence forces have shown over the years how they can take out individual targets with surgical precision. What they are doing here and now is a carefully planned operation to flatten Gaza and to totally decimate the area to the extent that the living conditions for ordinary civilians no longer exist. Ordinary civilians have been targeted under the excuse that some terrorists may be hiding amongst them. They have even been deliberately targeted when it is clear that no Hamas members are present. Carry on trying to make excuses for what is going on, more and more people see it for what it is. Soggy concise as ever. Tight arse saves a £5 by posting 5 posts worth in one go. Forget Martin Lewis, Soggy truly is a Money Saving Expert. Edited March 8 by Lord Duckhunter 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 3 hours ago, sadoldgit said: The Palestinian people have been herded around a relatively small area of land and have been targeted everywhere they go with no means of escape. They have been denied food, water, medical aid etc. last time I looked there was a border with Egypt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 21 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said: last time I looked there was a border with Egypt. Plus the whole of the West Bank they could have moved to prior to October 7th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted March 8 Author Share Posted March 8 1 hour ago, Lord Duckhunter said: last time I looked there was a border with Egypt. Why should Egypt absorb 2.3m people when the western world, the us included, can see that the logical solution is ceasefire and a Palestinian state. Do you support or oppose that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 7 minutes ago, egg said: Why should Egypt absorb 2.3m people when the western world, the us included, can see that the logical solution is ceasefire and a Palestinian state. Do you support or oppose that? Because they’re there and they’re refugees. There’s no point talking about ‘logical solutions’ which clearly aren’t actually happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 27 minutes ago, egg said: Why should Egypt absorb 2.3m people when the western world, the us included, can see that the logical solution is ceasefire and a Palestinian state. Do you support or oppose that? Why should Poland have taken so many Ukrainian refugees when the rest of the world could see that a ceasefire was the logical solution? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 5 hours ago, sadoldgit said: What they are doing here and now is a carefully planned operation to flatten Gaza and to totally decimate the area to the extent that the living conditions for ordinary civilians no longer exist. By Jove, I think he's finally getting it! There are two ways to eliminate Hamas. 1. Eliminate Hamas 2. Eliminate everyone and everything in Gaza. Both have the same outcome, one is way easier than the other to facilitate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted March 8 Author Share Posted March 8 5 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said: Why should Poland have taken so many Ukrainian refugees when the rest of the world could see that a ceasefire was the logical solution? More poor whataboutery, and rather misses the points that a) Ukrainians have an actual country b) that there's a wee bit more space to move people about in Ukraine and c) that 2/3 of Ukraine hasn't been destroyed. You can also throw into to mix that (according to the forum experts) Russia's army is fecked and can barely cobble together a tank or missile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted March 8 Author Share Posted March 8 5 hours ago, sadoldgit said: Absolutely right that this is not a war and that is the main issue here. For the IDF it is like shooting fish in a barrel. The Palestinian people have been herded around a relatively small area of land and have been targeted everywhere they go with no means of escape. They have been denied food, water, medical aid etc. In a war the civilian population can and do move away from the front lines. They can be reached or find aid. They can even make their way to more secure countries. The Palestinian people have no where to go because they have been blockaded for years by the Israelis. Anyone watching the news night after night since last October knows this. To try and pretend that this situation is somehow just another normal armed conflict like say Russia and Ukraine is to try and make excuses for the actions of the Israeli forces under Netanyahu. The reason why so many people are marching or critical of the Israeli actions has nothing to do with hating the Jewish people and everything to do with being sickened at the way large numbers of people are being treated by very well and heavily armed troops intent on raizing their homes and communities to the ground and killing as many of them as they can in the process. This is nothing like a normal war. Netanyahu doesn’t give a flying **** about the hostages. If he did he would take more care in his reprisals against the Palestinian people. The IDF wouldn’t have shelled Israeli homes and a police station full of their own people. To excuse these actions as “messy” is no better than excusing the actions of all those engaged in ethnic cleansing through the ages. This is a deliberate act and has nothing to do with being “messy”. Yes, the actions of Hamas were abhorrent on 7th October but what has happened since is a whole different scenario. Even Israel staunchest allies are now embarrassed by the scale of the deliberate reprisals against women and children and have taken a step back. Hamas are no more effective in this situation than a one legged man in an arse kicking competition. They are not an army. They have no air support. No navy. No artillery. No tanks. They are relatively small groups of terrorists penned in a relatively small area fighting against one of the best armed and drilled fighting machines on the planet. Netanyahu has made it clear he is not going to stop if the remaining living hostages are released. He has made it clear that he is intent on wiping Hamas off the face of the earth but no one knows exactly how many that is and we will never know exactly what is going on and how near he is to achieving that because unlike in “war” outside journalists are not allowed to operate under normal conditions by the Israelis. The only people who can’t see the difference here are those who are totally polarised in their views in support of Israel or who are Islamophobic. Anyone with an ounce of common sense and common decency can understand what is happening and why.This is NOT war. This is ethnic cleansing, pure and simple. And when people follow posts like this with laughing emojis they just make themselves look like a-holes. We have seen in modern warfare just how targeted military responses can be. The Israeli intelligence forces have shown over the years how they can take out individual targets with surgical precision. What they are doing here and now is a carefully planned operation to flatten Gaza and to totally decimate the area to the extent that the living conditions for ordinary civilians no longer exist. Ordinary civilians have been targeted under the excuse that some terrorists may be hiding amongst them. They have even been deliberately targeted when it is clear that no Hamas members are present. Carry on trying to make excuses for what is going on, more and more people see it for what it is. Lol at the daft cunts finding that funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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