hypochondriac Posted 22 November, 2023 Share Posted 22 November, 2023 54 minutes ago, whelk said: Yeah should go to UN and put a resolution in. Do things civilised and be completely ineffective It's a standard that absolutely no other country would be adhering to if it happened to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 22 November, 2023 Share Posted 22 November, 2023 1 hour ago, Lighthouse said: I would say that without that, there’s no incentive for Hamas to negotiate anything and the hostages would be in more danger. Hamas have plenty to negotiate over. Bombing the place creates a new concession, ie a ceasefire, for the Israelis to negotiate over rather than giving Hamas the leverage to demand something else. It's high stakes war gaming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 22 November, 2023 Share Posted 22 November, 2023 1 hour ago, whelk said: Yeah should go to UN and put a resolution in. Do things civilised and be completely ineffective Straight after the attack the Israelis and Hamas would have been talking, direct or through intermediaries. The same route as this cease fire was negotiated. It didn't need the formal approach you mention. Why are you being flippant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 22 November, 2023 Share Posted 22 November, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Fan The Flames said: Hamas have plenty to negotiate over. Bombing the place creates a new concession, ie a ceasefire, for the Israelis to negotiate over rather than giving Hamas the leverage to demand something else. It's high stakes war gaming. But had Israel not reacted, there really wouldn't be any reason for Hamas to not just do it again. Edited 22 November, 2023 by hypochondriac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 22 November, 2023 Share Posted 22 November, 2023 1 hour ago, hypochondriac said: But had Israel not reacted, there really wouldn't be any reason for Hamas to not just do it again. There's still no reason for Hamas to not do it again. I'm not talking about Israel not reacting, I'm just saying that they didn't act in a hostages first way. It's not just me saying it but a lot of the families in Israel are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 22 November, 2023 Share Posted 22 November, 2023 3 minutes ago, Fan The Flames said: There's still no reason for Hamas to not do it again. I'm not talking about Israel not reacting, I'm just saying that they didn't act in a hostages first way. It's not just me saying it but a lot of the families in Israel are. I’d say being dead was a fairly good reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 22 November, 2023 Share Posted 22 November, 2023 2 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: I’d say being dead was a fairly good reason. Only time will tell if that works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 22 November, 2023 Share Posted 22 November, 2023 6 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: I’d say being dead was a fairly good reason. The next generation are growing up in a war zone, watching women and children die at the hands of the IDF. Rinse and repeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 22 November, 2023 Share Posted 22 November, 2023 7 minutes ago, badgerx16 said: The next generation are growing up in a war zone, watching women and children die at the hands of the IDF. Rinse and repeat. There could be room for an alternative ideology that doesn’t get them slaughtered. I know we don’t agree but if I was a Palestinian I’d be very much blaming Hamas for having no where to live right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 22 November, 2023 Share Posted 22 November, 2023 2 hours ago, Fan The Flames said: Why are you being flippant Like asking why does a scorpion sting 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 22 November, 2023 Share Posted 22 November, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, whelk said: There could be room for an alternative ideology that doesn’t get them slaughtered. I know we don’t agree but if I was a Palestinian I’d be very much blaming Hamas for having no where to live right now. What about those in the West Bank, living under effective military occupation ? This has been going round on repeat for too long, and will need both sides to back down. Edited 22 November, 2023 by badgerx16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 22 November, 2023 Share Posted 22 November, 2023 3 minutes ago, badgerx16 said: What about those in the West Bank, living under effective military occupation ? This has been going round on repeat for too long, and will need both sides to back down. It'll keep going on so long as there is religious ideology and two sides, neither of whom accept the others right to exist on that land. There really isn't much difference between the two of them, people just feel sorry for the Palestinians because their military is crap. If the armed forces were the other way around we'd be seeing far worse attrocities in Israel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 22 November, 2023 Share Posted 22 November, 2023 6 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: It'll keep going on so long as there is religious ideology and two sides, neither of whom accept the others right to exist on that land. There really isn't much difference between the two of them, people just feel sorry for the Palestinians because their military is crap. If the armed forces were the other way around we'd be seeing far worse attrocities in Israel. If the army's were the other way around the sympathys of millions around the world would be the other way around as well. I have little doubt that if Israel didn't exist then the jewish population in Palestine would have been persecuted by extreme factions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 22 November, 2023 Share Posted 22 November, 2023 17 minutes ago, Fan The Flames said: If the army's were the other way around the sympathys of millions around the world would be the other way around as well. I have little doubt that if Israel didn't exist then the jewish population in Palestine would have been persecuted by extreme factions. Maybe the sympathy of some people, but undeniable there are some who have sympathy with Palestine because they are the enemy of the Jews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 22 November, 2023 Author Share Posted 22 November, 2023 44 minutes ago, badgerx16 said: What about those in the West Bank, living under effective military occupation ? This has been going round on repeat for too long, and will need both sides to back down. Yep. Religious ideology is often cited, and whilst a factor, ignores that neither side appear to live in peace alongside each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 22 November, 2023 Share Posted 22 November, 2023 9 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: Maybe the sympathy of some people, but undeniable there are some who have sympathy with Palestine because they are the enemy of the Jews. But you can see how fluid that is, the right wing used to be very antisemitic, now that a large section are anti-islamic, some are now pro jewish. Certain muslim sections are antisemitic, so outside of that people's sympathys with the Palestinians is because of the situation not becasue they are antisemitic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 22 November, 2023 Share Posted 22 November, 2023 2 hours ago, badgerx16 said: What about those in the West Bank, living under effective military occupation ? This has been going round on repeat for too long, and will need both sides to back down. The Palestinian representatives turned down the establishment of a state which consisted 100% of Gaza & 92% of the West Bank. Makes you wonder whether they really want a resolution. People should remember that when they glibly throw around the phrase “2 state solution”. They could have had that 2 decades ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 22 November, 2023 Share Posted 22 November, 2023 1 hour ago, Lord Duckhunter said: The Palestinian representatives turned down the establishment of a state which consisted 100% of Gaza & 92% of the West Bank. Makes you wonder whether they really want a resolution. People should remember that when they glibly throw around the phrase “2 state solution”. They could have had that 2 decades ago. The Oslo Accords were not as simple and straight forward as that statement implies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 22 November, 2023 Author Share Posted 22 November, 2023 2 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said: The Palestinian representatives turned down the establishment of a state which consisted 100% of Gaza & 92% of the West Bank. Makes you wonder whether they really want a resolution. People should remember that when they glibly throw around the phrase “2 state solution”. They could have had that 2 decades ago. That's a bit of a fallacy. The 92% was not a single area of land. It was loads of islands, and was dissected with a tunnel and Israeli roads. There were other issues such as Israeli presence, no military, etc. It's not as clear cut as you make out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 22 November, 2023 Share Posted 22 November, 2023 Sogs been quiet today. Usual tactic I see when he makes himself look a cock and gets called out, disappear for a few days then come back like nothing happened 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 23 November, 2023 Share Posted 23 November, 2023 5 hours ago, Turkish said: Sogs been quiet today. Usual tactic I see when he makes himself look a cock and gets called out, disappear for a few days then come back like nothing happened Obsessed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 November, 2023 Share Posted 23 November, 2023 4 hours ago, Tamesaint said: Obsessed Says the person posting in reply to me at 3am 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 23 November, 2023 Share Posted 23 November, 2023 1 minute ago, Turkish said: Says the person posting in reply to me at 3am He’s in Barbados or was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 23 November, 2023 Share Posted 23 November, 2023 40 minutes ago, whelk said: He’s in Barbados or was With nothing better to do..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 23 November, 2023 Share Posted 23 November, 2023 13 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said: With nothing better to do..... Lying on a sunbed, pina colada, bowl of spicy nuts, little browse on the internet. That's called being on holiday. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 November, 2023 Share Posted 23 November, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, whelk said: He’s in Barbados or was Must be a great holiday as 8 of his last 11 posts have been about Weston and me. Who’s obsessed? Edited 23 November, 2023 by Turkish 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdmickey3 Posted 23 November, 2023 Share Posted 23 November, 2023 1 hour ago, Turkish said: Says the person posting in reply to me at 3am He`s right, you are totally fixated with him Just let it go pal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 November, 2023 Share Posted 23 November, 2023 24 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said: He`s right, you are totally fixated with him Just let it go pal this hilarious coming from you. Someone who reacts to every post i make Just let it go pal 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted 23 November, 2023 Share Posted 23 November, 2023 11 hours ago, Turkish said: Sogs been quiet today. Usual tactic I see when he makes himself look a cock and gets called out, disappear for a few days then come back like nothing happened Very quiet, considering what an extremely deeply unpleasant poster he is on here, Racist to brown women, champions wife beaters like Geoff Boycott, and now hates Jews. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 23 November, 2023 Share Posted 23 November, 2023 52 minutes ago, Fan The Flames said: Lying on a sunbed, pina colada, bowl of spicy nuts, little browse on the internet. That's called being on holiday. And post about me and Turkish. Seems like a waste of money to do that on holiday. That inane shit can be done anytime. On the other hand maybe we should be blessed that he's thinking about us whilst on holiday. Rest assured there will be no reciprocation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 23 November, 2023 Share Posted 23 November, 2023 I apologise profusely for using the word “many” in an earlier post, especially to the Islamophobes on the forum. Apparently I should have said that there were “multiple instances” instead. My bad. https://new.thecradle.co/articles-id/13145 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 23 November, 2023 Share Posted 23 November, 2023 1 hour ago, Weston Super Saint said: And post about me and Turkish. Seems like a waste of money to do that on holiday. That inane shit can be done anytime. On the other hand maybe we should be blessed that he's thinking about us whilst on holiday. Rest assured there will be no reciprocation. 1 hour ago, Weston Super Saint said: And post about me and Turkish. Seems like a waste of money to do that on holiday. That inane shit can be done anytime. On the other hand maybe we should be blessed that he's thinking about us whilst on holiday. Rest assured there will be no reciprocation. Of course not. You never post about me do you?? No siree. You and Turks never think about posting about me do you??? Holiday or for the English winter??? You decide. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 23 November, 2023 Share Posted 23 November, 2023 (edited) 24 minutes ago, sadoldgit said: I apologise profusely for using the word “many” in an earlier post, especially to the Islamophobes on the forum. Apparently I should have said that there were “multiple instances” instead. My bad. https://new.thecradle.co/articles-id/13145 A former Colonel in the IDF, who was "'retired"' from service after criticising Netanyahu online, talking to an anti-Government Israeli news outlet , and republished on a pro-Palestinian website. Could there possibly be the slightest hint of exaggeration and bias ? Edited 23 November, 2023 by badgerx16 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdmickey3 Posted 23 November, 2023 Share Posted 23 November, 2023 1 hour ago, Turkish said: this hilarious coming from you. Someone who reacts to every post i make Just let it go pal Don`t flatter yourself sweetie, I react to lots of posts not just yours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 November, 2023 Share Posted 23 November, 2023 (edited) 51 minutes ago, sadoldgit said: I apologise profusely for using the word “many” in an earlier post, especially to the Islamophobes on the forum. Apparently I should have said that there were “multiple instances” instead. My bad. https://new.thecradle.co/articles-id/13145 Imagine a pond. Regularly leaves fall onto the pond which creates small ripples, sometimes a twig falls into and creates bigger ripples, sometimes branches fall into it and the ripples are even bigger. Does the pond every react angrily every time something causes a ripple? Does it call the leaves and twigs and branches names? No the pond doesn't react at all, it lets it go and it returns to its serene state. the pond is your mind Sog, the pond can never stop things falling into it, but it accepts that they will and lets it go, so it remains a serene, calm place. Is your mind serene and calm? or are you eaten up with bitterness and anger and jealous and hate? Be a pond. Edited 23 November, 2023 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 November, 2023 Share Posted 23 November, 2023 3 minutes ago, Tamesaint said: Of course not. You never post about me do you?? No siree. You and Turks never think about posting about me do you??? Holiday or for the English winter??? You decide. wakes up early on holiday picks up phone, logs into saintweb checks on turkish and Westons posts Who's obsessed? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 23 November, 2023 Share Posted 23 November, 2023 9 minutes ago, Turkish said: wakes up early on holiday picks up phone, logs into saintweb checks on turkish and Westons posts Who's obsessed? Sits bored at work. Logs into Saints Web. Examines posting history of SOG and Tamesaint. Learns their previous posts off by heart. Gets a stiffie every time he finds a new post from one of them. Definition of obsession. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 November, 2023 Share Posted 23 November, 2023 9 minutes ago, Tamesaint said: Sits bored at work. Logs into Saints Web. Examines posting history of SOG and Tamesaint. Learns their previous posts off by heart. Gets a stiffie every time he finds a new post from one of them. Definition of obsession. and i'm getting paid to do it Round of applause for me 👏 I'd rather you're not thinking about me getting a stiffie whilst you're walking around in your speedos though Tame, that's wierd. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 23 November, 2023 Share Posted 23 November, 2023 2 hours ago, sadoldgit said: I apologise profusely for using the word “many” in an earlier post, especially to the Islamophobes on the forum. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 23 November, 2023 Share Posted 23 November, 2023 2 hours ago, sadoldgit said: I apologise profusely for using the word “many” in an earlier post, especially to the Islamophobes on the forum. Apparently I should have said that there were “multiple instances” instead. My bad. https://new.thecradle.co/articles-id/13145 I won’t dare get a cookie from that racist site Jew hater Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 23 November, 2023 Share Posted 23 November, 2023 3 hours ago, sadoldgit said: I apologise profusely for using the word “many” in an earlier post, especially to the Islamophobes on the forum. Apparently I should have said that there were “multiple instances” instead. My bad. https://new.thecradle.co/articles-id/13145 Please soggy do the political compass test. I'd be fascinated to know where you sit on it. The Political Compass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 November, 2023 Share Posted 23 November, 2023 20 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: Please soggy do the political compass test. I'd be fascinated to know where you sit on it. The Political Compass i did it and this picture came up, im not sure what that means Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 23 November, 2023 Share Posted 23 November, 2023 30 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: Please soggy do the political compass test. I'd be fascinated to know where you sit on it. The Political Compass I seem to be bang in the middle of "left" "libertarian". Can't imagine how that result came out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 23 November, 2023 Share Posted 23 November, 2023 31 minutes ago, badgerx16 said: I seem to be bang in the middle of "left" "libertarian". Can't imagine how that result came out. I was in that quadrant but not too far from centre. Didn’t have any Israel questions though so my rampant Islamophobia may not have been picked up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 23 November, 2023 Author Share Posted 23 November, 2023 Left of centre as expected in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 23 November, 2023 Share Posted 23 November, 2023 38 minutes ago, badgerx16 said: I seem to be bang in the middle of "left" "libertarian". Can't imagine how that result came out. Same here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 23 November, 2023 Share Posted 23 November, 2023 The far-right club are going to be effing livid with me when they see this and find out my true colours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 23 November, 2023 Share Posted 23 November, 2023 9 minutes ago, The Kraken said: The far-right club are going to be effing livid with me when they see this and find out my true colours. Bloody ‘usual suspects’ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 23 November, 2023 Share Posted 23 November, 2023 25 minutes ago, The Kraken said: The far-right club are going to be effing livid with me when they see this and find out my true colours. 14 minutes ago, whelk said: Bloody ‘usual suspects’ Pinkoes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 23 November, 2023 Share Posted 23 November, 2023 Here's mine. Pretty much what I expected. Almost a centrist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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