Israel

[egg]

3 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

It's quite simple what I believe. If you erroneously invoke words like holocaust or concentration camp to conflicts involving Israel or Jews and you don't do that for other conflicts then you're at best looking to be provocative and in my view you're antisemitic. Simple really. 

You really are. I think most in this thread have the morality, humanity, and mental bandwidth to see the broader picture, and not label people wrongly.

Alas, you're not one of them. It makes discussion tiresome and pointless - I'll engage no more with you. 

[hypochondriac]

1 minute ago, egg said:

Hypo, you're being a bit daft, or thick, or obtuse. I'm not wasting my day going round in ever decreasing circles with you.

Another winning example of your mantra about playing the post and not the poster. Your claim is that it's a loon element doing this. My point is that I'd be concerned about the power this loom element wields when over half of the organisers of the march have links with Hamas. I know if I'd been present at marches in previous weeks involving an element with offensive signs and chanting that I'd be wary about continuing and certainly if I knew that the organisers had links to a terrorist organisation. 

[hypochondriac]

1 minute ago, egg said:

You really are. I think most in this thread have the morality, humanity, and mental bandwidth to see the broader picture, and not label people wrongly.

Alas, you're not one of them. It makes discussion tiresome and pointless - I'll engage no more with you. 

Again. All you're doing is lobbing insults around ablnd making your prior claims about posts and posters pointless. 

[Lighthouse]

Okay, I think we can all do a bit better than this with regards to each other. Clearly an emotive subject with some strong opinions but there’s no need to get personal with who is and isn’t anti-whatever.

Play nice or I’ll drop Tubgirl in this thread.

[hypochondriac]

33 minutes ago, egg said:

On the insensitive part, I was speaking with someone this week. Ex forces and suffering acute PTSD from horrific events in Afghanistan. This time of year is horrendous for him - loud noises from fireworks evoke awful memories , and trigger his PTSD. Remembrance is massive for him as it's a time for him to recall (and to some extent re-live) the impact of his military service on his life and family, the loss of his friends and comrade, as well as those gone before whilst serving their nation.

Understandably he considers remembrance a special day, and that it's disrespectful for it to be diluted.

Listening to him, and feeling his pain, has changed my perspective on the sensitivity issue. 

 

Good post. It's a shame you had to start flinging insults about. If you made a few more sensible posts like this one, there'd probably be some more civil discourse. 

Edited 10 November, 2023 by hypochondriac

[AlexLaw76]

3 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Okay, I think we can all do a bit better than this with regards to each other. Clearly an emotive subject with some strong opinions but there’s no need to get personal with who is and isn’t anti-whatever.

Play nice or I’ll drop Tubgirl in this thread.

Do it.. 🤣

[egg]

Just now, hypochondriac said:

Good post. It's a shame you had to start flinging insults about. If you made a few more sensible posts like this one, there'd probably be some more civil discourse. 

FFS. You can't help yourself can you. You've thrown labels, had a few nibbles back, been told off by teacher, then go again. 

Please just wind your neck in. 

[Lighthouse]

Just now, egg said:

FFS. You can't help yourself can you. You've thrown labels, had a few nibbles back, been told off by teacher, then go again. 

Please just wind your neck in. 

I’m warning you, she’s had a big bowl of fibre and some coffee.

[egg]

2 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

I’m warning you, she’s had a big bowl of fibre and some coffee.

I've had, i mean seen, worse 

[hypochondriac]

10 minutes ago, egg said:

FFS. You can't help yourself can you. You've thrown labels, had a few nibbles back, been told off by teacher, then go again. 

Please just wind your neck in. 

Eh? I'd begun my post prior to any message from a mod and hadn't seen anything he'd posted. Let's hope you can live by your mantra a little more in future lest you be accused of hypocrisy. I didn't throw any labels at you by the way. I described behaviour that I believed to be antisemitic and you've get very upset. Clearly touched a nerve. 

Edited 10 November, 2023 by hypochondriac

[AlexLaw76]

13 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

I’m warning you, she’s had a big bowl of fibre and some coffee.

Only interested if she is draped in a palestinian/israeli half and half flag

 

[egg]

2 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Only interested if she is draped in a palestinian/israeli half and half flag

 

🤣😂🇵🇸🇮🇱🛀

[hypochondriac]

2 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Only interested if she is draped in a palestinian/israeli half and half flag

 

Star of David covering the shit plume. 

[whelk]

54 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Good post. It's a shame you had to start flinging insults about. If you made a few more sensible posts like this one, there'd probably be some more civil discourse. 

Tbf think egg is pretty measured with any insults. Certainly more so than me!

[hypochondriac]

4 minutes ago, whelk said:

Tbf think egg is pretty measured with any insults. Certainly more so than me!

Maybe but I could do without things like thick, simple, lacking in mental bandwidth, dumb, naive etc. Particularly from someone who claims to discuss posts and not posters.

[sadoldgit]

2 hours ago, egg said:

On the insensitive part, I was speaking with someone this week. Ex forces and suffering acute PTSD from horrific events in Afghanistan. This time of year is horrendous for him - loud noises from fireworks evoke awful memories , and trigger his PTSD. Remembrance is massive for him as it's a time for him to recall (and to some extent re-live) the impact of his military service on his life and family, the loss of his friends and comrade, as well as those gone before whilst serving their nation.

Understandably he considers remembrance a special day, and that it's disrespectful for it to be diluted.

Listening to him, and feeling his pain, has changed my perspective on the sensitivity issue. 

 

I have heard this from other vets and also listened to some who feel that is right for the march to go ahead as it uses a different route and is timed not to coincide with the cenotaph activities. It is a hard call and I don’t think there is any right or wrong, just different opinions. Listening to one of the organisers of the march he makes the point that the bombs are still falling and will not stop for our armistice and Remembrance ceremonies.

The big concern now is that there are groups who are clearly desperate to cause trouble at the march to prove Braverman right and the Met wrong for allowing it to go ahead.

There should be room in this country for people to commemorate the fallen in both world wars and also to call for the end of bombing of civilians in the latest Israeli/Palestine conflict in peace and without hindrance for those with negative agendas.

As for being called a xenophobe, considering I have been called out for posting against racism for years on this forum that is bizarre and a bit rich coming from you with your posting history Batman. 

[andypen]

I think it's a matter of respect, or rather lack of it. Freedom of speech/protest are an important part of our society, but it's a privilege with responsibilities not a fundamental right, just look around the world where it dosen't exist. The march organizers have been asked very nicely to postpone, and responded with the finger. The day shoud be for remembering the fallen, in peace and dignity, without being marred with the inevitable clashes with counter protesters and the police, who are in an impossible position due to the numbers expected. Regardless of your views on the conflict, this is not the day to march through London en masse chanting dubious slogans.

[hypochondriac]

Soggy is the freedom fighter of saintsweb, the lone voice in the dark being called all sorts of names for taking the brave decision of saying that racism is wrong. He's like a innocent Palestinian whilst the evil colonisers carpet bomb the forum with their insults. 

[aintforever]

27 minutes ago, andypen said:

The day shoud be for remembering the fallen, in peace and dignity

That's just two minutes of it isn't it? The rest of the day everybody will just spend it shopping, getting pissed, watching football, wanking off over pornhub or whatever people usually do on Saturdays. Marching for an armistice on Armistice day is not exactly inappropriate in comparison.  

The march doesn't clash with the 2 minutes silence or go anywhere near the cenotaph, hopefully it won't be spoilt but after all the hype from the Tories and the gutter press there is bound to be some dickheads out to prove a point now.

[AlexLaw76]

3 minutes ago, aintforever said:

That's just two minutes of it isn't it? The rest of the day everybody will just spend it shopping, getting pissed, watching football, wanking off over pornhub or whatever people usually do on Saturdays. Marching for an armistice on Armistice day is not exactly inappropriate in comparison.  

The march doesn't clash with the 2 minutes silence or go anywhere near the cenotaph, hopefully it won't be spoilt but after all the hype from the Tories and the gutter press there is bound to be some dickheads out to prove a point now.

Spoken by someone who has never been to full rememberance event

Maybe the protest can be just two mins long also?

seems fair, right..

Edited 10 November, 2023 by AlexLaw76

[aintforever]

18 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Spoken by someone who has never been to full rememberance event

Maybe the protest can be just two mins long also?

seems fair, right..

I have been to one actually but it's not something the vast majority of people on Saturday will be doing.

[AlexLaw76]

2 minutes ago, aintforever said:

I have been to one actually but it's not something the vast majority of people on Saturday will be doing.

So, you would know that around Westminster it is vastly longer than 2 mins.

But as you say, no drama as the pro-terrorist organised protest plans to avoid it all....which is good stuff

Edited 10 November, 2023 by AlexLaw76

[badgerx16]

13 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

So, you would know that around Westminster it is vastly longer than 2 mins.

But as you say, no drama as the pro-terrorist organised protest plans to avoid it all....which is good stuff

"Pro-terrorist", pro Palestine, or pro peace ? One of these is not the same thing as the other two and not the cause being marched for.

 Guess which one.

Edited 10 November, 2023 by badgerx16

[aintforever]

15 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

So, you would know that around Westminster it is vastly longer than 2 mins.

But as you say, no drama as the pro-terrorist organised protest plans to avoid it all....which is good stuff

Not just me:

The organiser of the sole Armistice Day event at the Cenotaph in central London has given his support for the pro-Palestine march in central London on Saturday.

Richard Hughes, from the Western Front Association, a charity that holds a commemoration on 11 November for the casualties of the first world war, said his organisation believed in “freedom of speech”.

“I think a lot of people are trying to whip this up,” said Hughes, the association’s legal trustee, who is also responsible for organising the annual commemoration. “The police are not going to let anyone near the Cenotaph. We are a democratic organisation that commemorates those who fought for democracy, so free speech is important.”

[AlexLaw76]

Just now, aintforever said:

Not just me:

The organiser of the sole Armistice Day event at the Cenotaph in central London has given his support for the pro-Palestine march in central London on Saturday.

Richard Hughes, from the Western Front Association, a charity that holds a commemoration on 11 November for the casualties of the first world war, said his organisation believed in “freedom of speech”.

“I think a lot of people are trying to whip this up,” said Hughes, the association’s legal trustee, who is also responsible for organising the annual commemoration. “The police are not going to let anyone near the Cenotaph. We are a democratic organisation that commemorates those who fought for democracy, so free speech is important.”

Awesome, if the march is avoiding the area, absolutely no need for a concern by anyone.

Good news all round

[whelk]

1 hour ago, hypochondriac said:

Soggy is the freedom fighter of saintsweb, the lone voice in the dark being called all sorts of names for taking the brave decision of saying that racism is wrong. He's like an innocent Palestinian whilst the evil colonisers carpet bomb the forum with their insults. 

True witch smeller. Can find racism others don’t see.

[aintforever]

57 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Awesome, if the march is avoiding the area, absolutely no need for a concern by anyone.

Good news all round

I wouldn't worry about it. Our grandparents fought the Nazis so that we had rights like the right to protest peacefully. Hopefully the wanna-be Jihadists and statue protecters fuck-off and leave the sensible people to make the day a peaceful and respectful one.

 I doubt it though after all the hype, the whole area will be a bell-end magnet now.

Edited 10 November, 2023 by aintforever

[AlexLaw76]

5 minutes ago, aintforever said:

I wouldn't worry about it. Our grandparents fought the Nazis so that we had rights like the right to protest peacefully. Hopefully the wanna-be Jihadists and statue protecters fuck-off and leave the sensible people to make the day a peaceful and respectful one.

 I doubt it though after all the hype, the whole area will be a bell-end magnet now.

Most protests in London are hyper-bellend magnets, regardless.

[StDunko]

3 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Most protests in London are hyper-bellend magnets, regardless.

So you'll be there?

[Fan The Flames]

15 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Most protests in London are hyper-bellend magnets, regardless.

Yeah like the countryside alliance and the lockdown marches.

[Fan The Flames]

21 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Not whataboutery at all. Clearly, some lives are worth more protesting about.

You said the on the Ukraine thread, you've always been obsessed with trying to find hypocrisy.

[Fan The Flames]

17 hours ago, andypen said:

I think it's a matter of respect, or rather lack of it. Freedom of speech/protest are an important part of our society, but it's a privilege with responsibilities not a fundamental right, just look around the world where it dosen't exist. The march organizers have been asked very nicely to postpone, and responded with the finger. The day shoud be for remembering the fallen, in peace and dignity, without being marred with the inevitable clashes with counter protesters and the police, who are in an impossible position due to the numbers expected. Regardless of your views on the conflict, this is not the day to march through London en masse chanting dubious slogans.

Protest is not a privilege it's a right.

The march organizers have been asked very nicely to postpone, and responded with the finger. A line dripping in bias.

[rallyboy]

Suella has tried to paint this event as a Hate March specifically arranged to attack the cenotaph and everything British, when in reality it is just the event that happens every Saturday and is nowhere near Whitehall, and at a different time.

While these lies are just the latest phase of her transparent campaign to arouse kneejerk-angered, beetroot-faced simpletons, furiously tugging their little chaps raw with misplaced hate, all her comments have really achieved is promotion for the march and a  boost in numbers.

Hopefully the genuine peace protesters keep the inevitable fringe lunatics at bay, at both the march and the counter demonstration.

This phase of her campaign benefits from any serious trouble today, I hope she doesn't get it - but if there's half a million on the streets and 100 nutters, we know how the story will be told...

If Rishi gets brave there may even be a vacancy for a clueless cunt in the cabinet soon - if you tick that box and want to apply just hit the confused emoji below. 👍

 

[whelk]

7 minutes ago, rallyboy said:

Suella has tried to paint this event as a Hate March specifically arranged to attack the cenotaph and everything British, when in reality it is just the event that happens every Saturday and is nowhere near Whitehall, and at a different time.

While these lies are just the latest phase of her transparent campaign to arouse kneejerk-angered, beetroot-faced simpletons, furiously tugging their little chaps raw with misplaced hate, all her comments have really achieved is promotion for the march and a  boost in numbers.

Hopefully the genuine peace protesters keep the inevitable fringe lunatics at bay, at both the march and the counter demonstration.

This phase of her campaign benefits from any serious trouble today, I hope she doesn't get it - but if there's half a million on the streets and 100 nutters, we know how the story will be told...

If Rishi gets brave there may even be a vacancy for a clueless cunt in the cabinet soon - if you tick that box and want to apply just hit the confused emoji below. 👍

 

Agree but come on Rishi and Suella? Sunak and Braverman please

[whelk]

There was some poignant footage of poor Palestinians trying to get to safety yesterday. Women and children shuffling looking terrified with a couple half heartedly waving white flags. Poor poor people.

[Fan The Flames]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001s5p5?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile

The Today podcast with Neil Basu, formally of the met talking about todays march.

[egg]

Macron has essentially said that Israel have gone too far and need to stop. 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/11/frances-macron-urges-israel-to-stop-bombing-and-killing-civilians-in-gaza

[sadoldgit]

It is good to see a leader from the West growing a pair and calling for an end to the butchery. Hopefully it will encourage a few more to speak out, not that it will make any difference. Too many people are afraid of being labelled antisemites if they don’t continue to support the bombings (Keir Starmer, how many more women and children have to die before you finally say that enough is enough?).

Clearly I have missed the joke but those of you who like to use the laughing emojis on posts calling for an end to the killing and destruction, knock yourselves out again.

[whelk]

7 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

It is good to see a leader from the West growing a pair and calling for an end to the butchery. Hopefully it will encourage a few more to speak out, not that it will make any difference. Too many people are afraid of being labelled antisemites if they don’t continue to support the bombings (Keir Starmer, how many more women and children have to die before you finally say that enough is enough?).

Clearly I have missed the joke but those of you who like to use the laughing emojis on posts calling for an end to the killing and destruction, knock yourselves out again.

Just like Braverman you thrive on divisiveness. Look at me good and look at you bad. Tiresome and sad

[egg]

Just now, whelk said:

Just like Braverman you thrive on divisiveness. Look at me good and look at you bad. Tiresome and sad

His last para was unnecessary, but not the first. 

[badgerx16]

42 minutes ago, egg said:

Macron has essentially said that Israel have gone too far and need to stop. 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/11/frances-macron-urges-israel-to-stop-bombing-and-killing-civilians-in-gaza

Macron has to manage with sizeable North African immigrant communities that are notorious for street protests.

[egg]

6 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Macron has to manage with sizeable North African immigrant communities that are notorious for street protests.

Indeed. France is a tinderbox at the best of times. He's got a tough job in balancing domestic and international politics. Sensible balance of words on this though imo. 

Edited 11 November, 2023 by egg

[whelk]

9 minutes ago, egg said:

His last para was unnecessary, but not the first. 

You think anyone with an opposing view is only holding it as they fear being called antisemitic?  Quite pathetic and he returns to this because he hates anyone thinking he is anything other than righteous.

 

 

[sadoldgit]

44 minutes ago, egg said:

His last para was unnecessary, but not the first. 

Why was the last paragraph unnecessary? I have written serious posts about this which certain posters add laughing emojis to. And it not about looking good Whelk, it is about having some very basic levels of humanity.

It looks like Tommy Robinson and his thugs have taken Braverman’s bait and are causing trouble in London today. Absolutely no surprise there.

[Turkish]

11 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Why was the last paragraph unnecessary? I have written serious posts about this which certain posters add laughing emojis to. And it not about looking good Whelk, it is about having some very basic levels of humanity.

It looks like Tommy Robinson and his thugs have taken Braverman’s bait and are causing trouble in London today. Absolutely no surprise there.

No comment last week on the thugs causing trouble and throwing fireworks at the police or were those incidents “largely peaceful”?

[egg]

48 minutes ago, whelk said:

You think anyone with an opposing view is only holding it as they fear being called antisemitic?  Quite pathetic and he returns to this because he hates anyone thinking he is anything other than righteous.

 

 

"Only", no, but I have little doubt that it's a factor. 

[egg]

13 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Why was the last paragraph unnecessary? I have written serious posts about this which certain posters add laughing emojis to. And it not about looking good Whelk, it is about having some very basic levels of humanity.

It looks like Tommy Robinson and his thugs have taken Braverman’s bait and are causing trouble in London today. Absolutely no surprise there.

Why? Because there's too much focus on posters on a bloody serious thread. Sure, Whelks "witch smeller" comment was unnecessary, and whilst I agreed largely with the relevant part of your post, your other point just inviting a row wasn't necessary either imo. I understand the sentiment though. There's nothing funny about your serious posts and I view those reactions, ditto th confused ones, as a reflection of those reacting. 

[hypochondriac]

14 minutes ago, egg said:

Why? Because there's too much focus on posters on a bloody serious thread. Sure, Whelks "witch smeller" comment was unnecessary, and whilst I agreed largely with the relevant part of your post, your other point just inviting a row wasn't necessary either imo. I understand the sentiment though. There's nothing funny about your serious posts and I view those reactions, ditto th confused ones, as a reflection of those reacting. 

Too much focus on posters on a serious thread? Maybe you should lay off the "thick, dumb, lacking mental capacity, simple, naive. I'd say that's getting personal and insulting as much as anyone else on here so rather rich for you to be calling for less of it. Reaction smileys are fine. If you can't be bothered to respond to every single post but you either disagree, find the pomppsity of the poster to be amusing or you're bewildered by a particular stance then it's a perfectly legitimate means of sharing your reaction.

[hypochondriac]

26 minutes ago, egg said:

"Only", no, but I have little doubt that it's a factor. 

A factor in every case? No it isn't. 

[egg]

13 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Too much focus on posters on a serious thread? Maybe you should lay off the "thick, dumb, lacking mental capacity, simple, naive. I'd say that's getting personal and insulting as much as anyone else on here so rather rich for you to be calling for less of it. Reaction smileys are fine. If you can't be bothered to respond to every single post but you either disagree, find the pomppsity of the poster to be amusing or you're bewildered by a particular stance then it's a perfectly legitimate means of sharing your reaction.

I've responded to your comments and views honestly (albeit toned down) and accurately Hypo. I can't help your thin skin being penetrated, and nerves being touched. That bit is on you petal. 

Edited 11 November, 2023 by egg