Israel

[Lord Duckhunter]

2 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

When Netanyahu is finally brought before The Hague to answer for the allegations of war crimes carried out at his behest, he might take some comfort in the fact that hypochondriac, Duckhunter and Weston will all be in the gallery supporting him.

 

And Starmer, the bloke you think should be PM. 

Edited 3 November, 2023 by Lord Duckhunter

[Weston Super Saint]

3 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

When Netanyahu is finally brought before The Hague to answer for the allegations of war crimes carried out at his behest, he might take some comfort in the fact that hypochondriac, Duckhunter and Weston will all be in the gallery supporting him.

I’m not sure “but Hamas are the only bad guys here” will work as much of a defence there though no matter how often they trot that rot out here.

How does two wrongs make a right work again?

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/10/damning-evidence-of-war-crimes-as-israeli-attacks-wipe-out-entire-families-in-gaza/

Seriously?

My previous response to this was deleted despite this being a post clearly about other posters.

I'll ask again, where did I say I supported Netanyahu commiting war crimes?

[Fan The Flames]

39 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

And Starmer, the bloke you think should be PM. 

OMG the British Labour party are bombing Gaza now.

[andypen]

11 minutes ago, Fan The Flames said:

OMG the British Labour party are bombing Gaza now.

Worse even than that :

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12702495/Keir-Starmer-poppy-row-Labour-leader-Islamophobia-video.html

[Fan The Flames]

7 minutes ago, andypen said:

Worse even than that :

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12702495/Keir-Starmer-poppy-row-Labour-leader-Islamophobia-video.html

The level of scrutiny on Labour is massive.

[badgerx16]

15 minutes ago, Fan The Flames said:

The level of scrutiny on Labour is massive.

The level of bs aimed at Labour by the Tory press is predictable; they are shitting themselves about the next GE.

[andypen]

It seems that way sometimes, although we all know what a shower the Tories are after 13 years in office, but still not too sure what we'll get with Starmer at the helm. So who was ashamed of the poppy and what it represents, Labour, Starmer himself or his muslim audience? It may seem trivial to some people but I think he's f****d up there.

[badgerx16]

2 minutes ago, andypen said:

It seems that way sometimes, although we all know what a shower the Tories are after 13 years in office, but still not too sure what we'll get with Starmer at the helm. So who was ashamed of the poppy and what it represents, Labour, Starmer himself or his muslim audience? It may seem trivial to some people but I think he's f****d up there.

Plenty of Muslim soldiers served, and died, in the British, Commonweslth, and Imperial forces in the conflicts of the last century.

[andypen]

Just now, badgerx16 said:

Plenty of Muslim soldiers served, and died, in the British, Commonweslth, and Imperial forces in the conflicts of the last century.

Indeed they did, so why remove it do deliver his anti Islamophobia video (are that many muslims afraid to walk the streets in this country today, really?)

[aintforever]

20 minutes ago, andypen said:

Indeed they did, so why remove it do deliver his anti Islamophobia video (are that many muslims afraid to walk the streets in this country today, really?)

Seriously, who cares?

[Fan The Flames]

We don't know the circumstances behind it. But these things can be micro managed to the point of fuck up. So let's wait and see, I'm sure the press will keep demanding an answer.

[sadoldgit]

5 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

He will never go to the Hague, the same way Blair didn't, the same way Putin wont, the same way Bush and Obama didn't and the same way Zelensky wont.......you know this... 

It is obvious that you really really really want it to happen though

Really? I really don’t expect it to happen which is not to say that it shouldn’t. Also I don’t expect those of you who hate Muslims and spend their days plastering laughing emojis on posts sympathising with their plight to give a damn about the thousands of innocent women and children being blown to bits.

Odd that no matter how many times you denounce Hamas as a bunch of murderous scumbags who deserve all they get, as soon as you say anything critical of the Israelis you immediately become a Hamas sympathiser and antisemite.

As for poppygate, no one mentioned the fact that Sunak wasn’t wearing a poppy whilst blowing smoke up Musk’s arse yesterday. Why would Muslims be insulted by Starmer wearing a poppy when so many of them fought and gave their lives for us  in previous conflicts? Just goes to show how little the right wing media have when that is the best they can do (along with the countless days the Mail spent talking about Starmer’s curry during lockdown on the front page).

Sad that they didn’t pick up on the point that Sunak seemed far more animated and interested when sucking up to Musk about AI than he ever does when talking about dealing with the problems of getting this country back on its feet. 

 

[AlexLaw76]

5 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Really? I really don’t expect it to happen which is not to say that it shouldn’t.

 

I bet you voted Labour in 2005

[hypochondriac]

18 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

I bet you voted Labour in 2005

That or green. They love a bit of moral grandstanding and confected, selective outrage. Right uo his street. 

Edited 3 November, 2023 by hypochondriac

[Lord Duckhunter]

1 hour ago, sadoldgit said:

 

Why would Muslims be insulted by Starmer wearing a poppy when so many of them fought and gave their lives for us  in previous conflicts? 

 

Why indeed? 
 

Personally, I think it’s a bit racist to think he’d upset Muslims by wearing one, but somebody in his office obviously assumed it would. 
 

Anyway, let’s see how these peaceful Palestine marchers act on Remembrance Day. No doubt you’ll be excusing any disrespectful behaviour. 
 

 

[hypochondriac]

24 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Why indeed? 
 

Personally, I think it’s a bit racist to think he’d upset Muslims by wearing one, but somebody in his office obviously assumed it would. 
 

Anyway, let’s see how these peaceful Palestine marchers act on Remembrance Day. No doubt you’ll be excusing any disrespectful behaviour. 
 

 

Sounds like the government are trying to ban it. Will be interesting to see how they get on with trying to stop it. Should be interesting. 

[egg]

2 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Sounds like the government are trying to ban it. Will be interesting to see how they get on with trying to stop it. Should be interesting. 

I'm not sure they could. Comments like "there is a clear and present risk that the Cenotaph and other war memorials could be desecrated" are knee jerk. His "provocative" comment also feels rather provocative.

Keep the protests away from areas where remembrance stuff will be happening, have a proper police presence, deal with any unlawful behaviour.

[hypochondriac]

Just now, egg said:

I'm not sure they could. Comments like "there is a clear and present risk that the Cenotaph and other war memorials could be desecrated" are knee jerk. His "provocative" comment also feels rather provocative.

Keep the protests away from areas where remembrance stuff will be happening, have a proper police presence, deal with any unlawful behaviour.

It's clearly inappropriate to protest on remembrance day. I doubt they will be able to stop it but they have to at least set up appropriate protection to prevent protest by the Cenotaph. It will be beyond the pail for many. 

[egg]

1 minute ago, hypochondriac said:

It's clearly inappropriate to protest on remembrance day. I doubt they will be able to stop it but they have to at least set up appropriate protection to prevent protest by the Cenotaph. It will be beyond the pail for many. 

If the protest was against what we're remembering I'd agree. The protest is against an ongoing war, on a day when we remember people who perished in wars. Allow people to remember, and allow people to protest. The two can happen without detriment to the other. 

[hypochondriac]

4 minutes ago, egg said:

If the protest was against what we're remembering I'd agree. The protest is against an ongoing war, on a day when we remember people who perished in wars. Allow people to remember, and allow people to protest. The two can happen without detriment to the other. 

Regardless of our prior disagreements that's an astounding position to take and you can't seriously think that the two are entirely unrelated or that people shouldn't be outraged by it. I see the home secretary has linked to a previous time when a march was prohibited so there is precedent. 

[whelk]

Water cannon the cunts. Oh no forgot that will just create more little future marchers

[sadoldgit]

Ambulances bombed outside a hospital. I will save you the trouble hypo.

😂

[whelk]

8 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Ambulances bombed outside a hospital. I will save you the trouble hypo.

😂

It’s not funny SOG 

[whelk]

5 hours ago, Fan The Flames said:

The level of scrutiny on Labour is massive.

The Mail are embarrassingly obsessed. Don’t believe a word of it anyway whatever it says.

[Sheaf Saint]

34 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

It's clearly inappropriate to protest on remembrance day. 

Why?

[hypochondriac]

20 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Ambulances bombed outside a hospital. I will save you the trouble hypo.

😂

I find it hard to understand how anyone could find the bombing of an ambulance outside a hospital funny but apparently we have a poster who does. 

[hypochondriac]

3 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

Why?

Because there's a high chance it's going to cause public disorder on that day in particular. Obviously. 

[egg]

2 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

Why?

Hypo feels that there's nothing to protest against.

Some may feel that there's something rather poignant about protesting about an ongoing war on a day when we remember those who passed in wars gone by. 

The issue is how people protest, but that's for the police to address, not a reason to not protest. 

[Lighthouse]

5 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

Why?

Seriously? You don’t know why it’s inappropriate to protest on the day we remember the people who literally died so that people would have the right to protest at all?

[hypochondriac]

9 minutes ago, egg said:

Hypo feels that there's nothing to protest against.

Some may feel that there's something rather poignant about protesting about an ongoing war on a day when we remember those who passed in wars gone by. 

The issue is how people protest, but that's for the police to address, not a reason to not protest. 

Why was the EDL march banned in 2011? I can also answer for myself about what I feel cheers. 

Edited 3 November, 2023 by hypochondriac

[manji]

The Irgun killed 100s of British Soldiers even kidnapping two British Sargents . Executing them hanging the bodies from a tree boobing trapping the bodies which killed another British Soldier. A lot of British Troops had only recently come back from fighting the Nazis in Europe Most of their families back in the U.K. were penniless and living in Nissen huts and could never get the bodies back from Palestine.

Interestingly when the news of the murdering of the Brit Soldiers there reached the U.K. there was anti Jewish rioting in many British cities.

http://www.britishforcesinpalestine.org/inmemoriam.html

 

id love to wade into the Ukrainian thread as well but the ignorance, parroting of the media and worst of all lack of historical context is breathtaking.

Edited 3 November, 2023 by manji

[badgerx16]

20 minutes ago, manji said:

The Irgun killed 100s of British Soldiers even kidnapping two British Sargents . Executing them hanging the bodies from a tree boobing trapping the bodies which killed another British Soldier. A lot of British Troops had only recently come back from fighting the Nazis in Europe Most of their families back in the U.K. were penniless and living in Nissen huts and could never get the bodies back from Palestine.

Interestingly when the news of the murdering of the Brit Soldiers there reached the U.K. there was anti Jewish rioting in many British cities.

http://www.britishforcesinpalestine.org/inmemoriam.html

 

id love to wade into the Ukrainian thread as well but the ignorance, parroting of the media and worst of all lack of historical context is breathtaking.

Many Irgun members had served in the British army, and it's last commander, in charge at the time of the bombing of the King David hotel, later became Prime Minister of Israel.

[harvey]

2 hours ago, egg said:

If the protest was against what we're remembering I'd agree. The protest is against an ongoing war, on a day when we remember people who perished in wars. Allow people to remember, and allow people to protest. The two can happen without detriment to the other. 

It's deliberately provocative to organise a march with the intention of getting a million people to march on London on a weekend which is supposed to be a time for remembrance. They know it will be offensive to many British people but frankly they don't care.

The prime minister is gutless for allowing this to go ahead and I see he's shifted all the responsibility on to the Home Secretary to liaise with Met police to do everything necessary protect the sanctity of Armistice day and Remembrance Sunday.......considering they don't listen to her anyway she's literally been thrown under the bus and I'd be surprised if she's still Home Secretary in a couple of weeks if it all kicks off.

[Lord Duckhunter]

2 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

Ambulances bombed outside a hospital. I will save you the trouble hypo.

😂

Have a word with yourself 

[rallyboy]

24 minutes ago, harvey said:

she's literally been thrown under the bus 

That's terrible.

Is the bus okay?

[aintforever]

2 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

Seriously? You don’t know why it’s inappropriate to protest on the day we remember the people who literally died so that people would have the right to protest at all?

Surely it’s quite appropriate, they are marching to stop a war and save lives. 

[harvey]

18 minutes ago, aintforever said:

Surely it’s quite appropriate, they are marching to stop a war and save lives. 

Yeah right.

[badgerx16]

42 minutes ago, rallyboy said:

That's terrible.

Is the bus okay?

It's a new traffic calming measure - the 'sleeping Home Secretary.' Completely ineffective at anything it is intended to do.

Edited 3 November, 2023 by badgerx16

[whelk]

33 minutes ago, aintforever said:

Surely it’s quite appropriate, they are marching to stop a war and save lives. 

Ahh the simpletons want peace. Jihad yah! If the country was full of the the people on that march in 1939 there would be no Israel now.

[aintforever]

Just now, whelk said:

Ahh the simpletons want peace. Jihad yah! If the country was full of the the people on that march in 1939 there would be no Israel now.

How is a march calling for a ceasefire in Gaza not a march for peace?

[whelk]

They could have peace if they didn’t murder with glee 1400 civilians. 
 

we could’ve marched in 1939 as pretty sure everyone would have preferred peace but unfortunately it isn’t that simple. Clearly you think only one side is to blame.

[aintforever]

Just don’t see the problem in a march calling for a ceasefire, on a day that commemorates a ceasefire.

[Lighthouse]

40 minutes ago, aintforever said:

Surely it’s quite appropriate, they are marching to stop a war and save lives. 

Christ alive, they’re protesting a war between two countries nothing to do with Britain or its veterans that were not even involved in. It’s quite clearly not appropriate, I’ve no idea why anyone is even trying to argue this point.

Those soldiers being commemorated were liberal, conservative, men, women, gay, straight, Sikh, Hindu, Muslim, atheist, black white etc. They all died protecting this country and its citizens regardless of their background or political persuasions. I’ve no idea how this has become a political point at all, I can’t see it as anything other than grossly disrespectful. It’s about as decent and appropriate as me turning up to your mum’s funeral, shouting, “oi everyone, my grandma died last week,” and saying it’s appropriate because we’ve both lost women in our families.

[Lighthouse]

5 minutes ago, aintforever said:

Just don’t see the problem in a march calling for a ceasefire, on a day that commemorates a ceasefire.

So you’d be happy with someone like Boris standing at the Cenotaph and giving an impassioned, pro-Brexit speech, because it’s just like that time in 1940 when we stood alone against the rest of Europe?

[egg]

12 minutes ago, whelk said:

They could have peace if they didn’t murder with glee 1400 civilians. 
 

we could’ve marched in 1939 as pretty sure everyone would have preferred peace but unfortunately it isn’t that simple. Clearly you think only one side is to blame.

You seem to be struggling to separate Hamas and the Palestinian people. 

[rallyboy]

8 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

So you’d be happy with someone like Boris standing at the Cenotaph and giving an impassioned, pro-Brexit speech, 

The corrupt cunt wouldn't be able to, he'd be so fucking hungover that he'd place the wreath upside down and they'd have to use TV footage from the year before.

Again.

[Weston Super Saint]

37 minutes ago, aintforever said:

Just don’t see the problem in a march calling for a ceasefire, on a day that commemorates a ceasefire.

Really?

Several hundred heavily armed soldiers who are sworn to protect the King come face to face with a protest march at the Cenotaph where the King just happens to be.

What could possibly go wrong?

[badgerx16]

12 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Really?

Several hundred heavily armed soldiers who are sworn to protect the King come face to face with a protest march at the Cenotaph where the King just happens to be.

What could possibly go wrong?

There wouldn't be a follow-up march.

[hypochondriac]

15 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

There wouldn't be a follow-up march.

On second thoughts. Let it go ahead. 

[hypochondriac]

1 hour ago, aintforever said:

Just don’t see the problem in a march calling for a ceasefire, on a day that commemorates a ceasefire.

What's the big deal. I say let the BNP have a peaceful March on Eid or Windrush day. I don't see the problem.