Israel

[harvey]

1 minute ago, badgerx16 said:

Hamas were not elected by the people of the West Bank. Also, do you really believe that the 'election' that brought them to power was free and fair ?

Ahhhhh.....moving the goalposts now?

[AlexLaw76]

6 hours ago, harvey said:

But the Palestinian people voted for Hamas?

They did, but apparently unable to vote them out because Hamas banned further elections…. If 5Live snippet was accurate 

[Weston Super Saint]

9 hours ago, Tamesaint said:

Haven't you got anything better to do with your life than go on and on about SOG?? It's the Saintsweb version of Godwin's Law. Every thread on here ends up with the saddoes queuing up to attack SOG.

 

You tell me, you spend your life stalking me....

 

[Weston Super Saint]

1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said:

They did, but apparently unable to vote them out because Hamas banned further elections…. If 5Live snippet was accurate 

Just like the Taliban.

No need for 'man made' laws when all the laws ever needed were instructed by God and are written in a book.

[Fan The Flames]

8 hours ago, harvey said:

I may be wrong here so correct me if so, but the Hamas manifesto that they were elected upon by the palestinian  people included that they were dedicated to the destruction of Israel?

Can you point me in the direction of that manifesto please.

In fairer elections the Israeli people voted in Itamar Ben-Gvir of Jewish Power, as security minister, a far right West Bank settler who preachers anti-Palestinian hate.

[Fan The Flames]

Whelk I don't why you're laughing. Hamas manifesto/reason for existing has been mentioned on here a few times, just want to be pointed in the right direction, so I can see it.

Or were you laughing about my understanding of Itamar Ben-Gvir, did I get something wrong, happy to be corrected.

[Fan The Flames]

1 hour ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Just like the Taliban.

No need for 'man made' laws when all the laws ever needed were instructed by God and are written in a book.

Any of the books.

[badgerx16]

8 hours ago, harvey said:

Ahhhhh.....moving the goalposts now?

No. Your justification is that "the Palestinian people" voted for Hamas. There has not been an election in the Gaza Strip since 2006.

However I will retract the point about "free and fair", and in it's place add this: in the aftermath of the 2006 election across Palestinian Territory, in which Hamas won the largest share of the vote, most of the elected members of the Hamas Government were detained by the Israelis. A few months later Hamas declared that they had unilaterally taken control of the Gaza Strip, something that the Israeli security services were glad to see because they could then treat Gaza as hostile territory, and towards which they they could dismiss any agreed peace or cooperation agreements.

I ask again, how many dead Palestinian women and children balance the toll of Hamas' attack ?

[badgerx16]

1 hour ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Just like the Taliban.

No need for 'man made' laws when all the laws ever needed were instructed by God and are written in a book.

 

19 minutes ago, Fan The Flames said:

Any of the books.

The books that are transliterations of oral history and translated to suit a particular interpretation. Completely free of human error or bias. Exactly like the various versions of the Bible.

[whelk]

23 minutes ago, Fan The Flames said:

Whelk I don't why you're laughing. Hamas manifesto/reason for existing has been mentioned on here a few times, just want to be pointed in the right direction, so I can see it.

Or were you laughing about my understanding of Itamar Ben-Gvir, did I get something wrong, happy to be corrected.

I was laughing about the term manifesto for this lot. Whatever was in it we know what Hamas are about. Don’t know what their policy was on transport and education though. 
 

can’t vouch if this is linked at all https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas_Charter#:~:text=The Covenant proclaims that Israel,instilling these views in children.

[whelk]

7 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

ask again, how many dead Palestinian women and children balance the toll of Hamas' attack ?

You do know this is about neutralising Hamas so an attack like 7/10 cannot happen again not stopping when outdoing them in the death charts? 
 

[whelk]

And a worry how right wing Israel’s government was becoming but it is still a democracy

From Hamas charter apparently 

[badgerx16]

7 minutes ago, whelk said:

You do know this is about neutralising Hamas so an attack like 7/10 cannot happen again not stopping when outdoing them in the death charts? 
 

So would Israel be justified in completely wiping out the population of Gaza ? That would certainly remove the problem. Given that all a prolonged military response ultimately delivers is the next generation of terrorists, there has to be a limit.

[Lord Duckhunter]

36 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

So would Israel be justified in completely wiping out the population of Gaza ? That would certainly remove the problem. Given that all a prolonged military response ultimately delivers is the next generation of terrorists, there has to be a limit.

The problem Isreal has got is keeping their citizens safe whilst allowing Palestinians to build the society they (as in Palestinian’s) want in Gaza.  There was a window of opportunity when they withdrew in 2005 but the major players in the region didn’t take it. Had oil rich Arab states, The US, and particularly Egypt put their weight behind it, infrastructures could have been put in place which didn’t need reliance on Isreal. It could be a beautiful part of the world, living beside Isreal in a similar way the Egyptians do in Sinai. Instead of that the major players bunged it a bit of money, let Iran gain an unhealthy influence and let Isreal remain the bad guys. Pony like “open prison” doesn’t help because countries have the right to forcefully defend their borders. As we have seen, they actually need to forcefully defend their borders a bit more rigorously then the actually have been. Hamas incarcerated Palestinians in that “open prison”, not Isreal. 
 

The real complication is The West Bank. Isreal will never give up occupancy as it’s important militarily, their mindset (which I agree with) is, if they give that up the nation will always be in danger and it’s importance to Isreal actually continuing to exist can not be over stated. Long at a map of 1948, and it’s madness that Britain and others gave Isreal the border it did with Jordan. So when people talk about a 2 state solution, it’s simply not going to happen if it includes The West Bank. It’s really a 3 state (or area) solution that is needed. Isreal, Gaza & West Bank, and god knows what West Bank solution will be acceptable to both sides. 
 

 

[Fan The Flames]

1 hour ago, whelk said:

And a worry how right wing Israel’s government was becoming but it is still a democracy

From Hamas charter apparently 

I don't believe that's their stated position anymore, they don't even call for a one state solution.

Vile nasty group, but this is a fight for land not to destroy the other. Although there are plenty on both sides that see destroying each other also solves the land fight.

[Lord Duckhunter]

6 minutes ago, Fan The Flames said:

I don't believe that's their stated position anymore, they don't even call for a one state solution.

Vile nasty group, but this is a fight for land not to destroy the other. Although there are plenty on both sides that see destroying each other also solves the land fight.

What??
 

Am I reading this correctly, you think Hamas don’t want to destroy Isreal & murder every Jew in the Middle East? 

Edited 22 October, 2023 by Lord Duckhunter

[Fan The Flames]

1 hour ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

The problem Isreal has got is keeping their citizens safe whilst allowing Palestinians to build the society they (as in Palestinian’s) want in Gaza.  There was a window of opportunity when they withdrew in 2005 but the major players in the region didn’t take it. Had oil rich Arab states, The US, and particularly Egypt put their weight behind it, infrastructures could have been put in place which didn’t need reliance on Isreal. It could be a beautiful part of the world, living beside Isreal in a similar way the Egyptians do in Sinai. Instead of that the major players bunged it a bit of money, let Iran gain an unhealthy influence and let Isreal remain the bad guys. Pony like “open prison” doesn’t help because countries have the right to forcefully defend their borders. As we have seen, they actually need to forcefully defend their borders a bit more rigorously then the actually have been. Hamas incarcerated Palestinians in that “open prison”, not Isreal. 
 

The real complication is The West Bank. Isreal will never give up occupancy as it’s important militarily, their mindset (which I agree with) is, if they give that up the nation will always be in danger and it’s importance to Isreal actually continuing to exist can not be over stated. Long at a map of 1948, and it’s madness that Britain and others gave Isreal the border it did with Jordan. So when people talk about a 2 state solution, it’s simply not going to happen if it includes The West Bank. It’s really a 3 state (or area) solution that is needed. Isreal, Gaza & West Bank, and god knows what West Bank solution will be acceptable to both sides. 

Surley the only way to peace is a two (or three) state solution. The alternative is to live in a perma-conflict or move the other out.

The Israeli have tried to create a situation with security measures where they can live without peace. This isn't sustainable, there are feelings on all parts of the political spectrum in Israel that the money spent on security measures could be better spent on improving the economy of Israel.

[sadoldgit]

Just been looking at some forensic reports about the projectile that struck the hospital car par last week. Despite Israeli claims that it was travelling from the SW direction it seems it actually came from the NE.

Also the Israeli’s presented a recorded conversation from two alleged Hamas personnel claiming that one of their missiles had misfired. This recording appears to have been doctored, according to an independent forensic research outfit.

 

 

[Fan The Flames]

11 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

What??
 

Am I reading this correctly, you think Hamas don’t want to destroy Isreal & murder every Jew in the Middle East? 

I believe that's the case.

[AlexLaw76]

38 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Just been looking at some forensic reports about the projectile that struck the hospital car par last week. Despite Israeli claims that it was travelling from the SW direction it seems it actually came from the NE.

Also the Israeli’s presented a recorded conversation from two alleged Hamas personnel claiming that one of their missiles had misfired. This recording appears to have been doctored, according to an independent forensic research outfit.

 

 

Link?

[badgerx16]

54 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

What??
 

Am I reading this correctly, you think Hamas don’t want to destroy Isreal & murder every Jew in the Middle East? 

Technically the first point is true, the second is not. Hamas' declaration is that the state of Israel is an abomination because any land that has at some point been controlled by Islam is Islamic in perpetuity. Therefore the lands currently defined as the state of Israel are legitimately part of historic Islamic Palestine.

However, they also state that "Under the wing of Islam, it is possible for the followers of the three religions - Islam, Christianity and Judaism - to coexist in peace and quiet with each other. Peace and quiet would not be possible except under the wing of Islam. Past and present history are the best witness to that." They recognise that whilst Islam is the one true faith, Christianity and Judaism are brother religions, the roots from which the true interpretation of Allah's teachings grew.

Edited 22 October, 2023 by badgerx16

[egg]

3 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

What??
 

Am I reading this correctly, you think Hamas don’t want to destroy Isreal & murder every Jew in the Middle East? 

Do you seriously think there is any prospect that could ever happen? It's not an actual  achievable objective, be realistic.

Do you think that Israel are doing anything other than turning Gaza into the rubble and wasteland that they vowed to?

If you stand back and take an objective view, only one side could decimate the other, and only one side is giving it a good go. 

[Lord Duckhunter]

3 hours ago, Fan The Flames said:

Surley the only way to peace is a two (or three) state solution. The alternative is to live in a perma-conflict or move the other out.

The Israeli have tried to create a situation with security measures where they can live without peace. This isn't sustainable, there are feelings on all parts of the political spectrum in Israel that the money spent on security measures could be better spent on improving the economy of Israel.

Exactly right.
 

But the problem with a 2 state solution is the West Bank. We pretty much had a 2 state situation prior to 7/10, but it obviously didn’t include The West Bank. Gaza, for all intent and purposes is a Palestinian state, so the real dispute is The West Bank. Isreal will never give it up, will never weaken its resolve to control it, because of it’s importance militarily. Palestinian’s consider it as their land just as much as they do Gaza, so The West Bank issue contaminants Gaza because the Israelis left Gaza years ago. 

 

In a perfect world we’d probably be looking at the sort of fudge that gave us peace in Ireland. An Israeli state, a Palestinian state in Gaza,  and Ulster type fudge secured by the UN in The West Bank. But it’ll never happen in a million years, not a fucking hope in hell. 

[Lord Duckhunter]

30 minutes ago, egg said:

Do you seriously think there is any prospect that could ever happen? It's not an actual  achievable objective, be realistic.

Do you think that Israel are doing anything other than turning Gaza into the rubble and wasteland that they vowed to?

If you stand back and take an objective view, only one side could decimate the other, and only one side is giving it a good go. 

Do you seriously believe Hamas would stop murdering Jews if Isreal ceased to exist? If you think they’ll start living normal lives & accept Jews living amongst them in peace and harmony, you’re deluded. 
 

Isreal could have decimated Gaza in 2005, it didn’t it, withdrew and left it to the Palestinian’s. If Hamas could decimate Isreal, it would. No fucking  doubt about it. Jews can’t live peacefully in a Hamas controlled area, 21% of Israeli population is Arabs or non Jews. They even have a Muslim cabinet minister, I’d love to see how long a Jew would last in the Hamas leadership team. Harold Macmillans Night of the long knives would be taken literally before his  first cabinet meeting broke for coffee. 

Edited 22 October, 2023 by Lord Duckhunter

[egg]

1 hour ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Do you seriously believe Hamas would stop murdering Jews if Isreal ceased to exist? If you think they’ll start living normal lives & accept Jews living amongst them in peace and harmony, you’re deluded. 
 

Isreal could have decimated Gaza in 2005, it didn’t it, withdrew and left it to the Palestinian’s. If Hamas could decimate Isreal, it would. No fucking  doubt about it. Jews can’t live peacefully in a Hamas controlled area, 21% of Israeli population is Arabs or non Jews. They even have a Muslim cabinet minister, I’d love to see how long a Jew would last in the Hamas leadership team. Harold Macmillans Night of the long knives would be taken literally before his  first cabinet meeting broke for coffee. 

I'm not suggesting that Israel shouldn't exist. I'm also unsure of the relevance of Jewish Israeli's living as a minority amongst Palestinians.

What's needed is an Israeli state, plus a Palestinian state (or Gaza Palestine and West Bank Palestine), but until the Israelis get out of the west bank, and leave Palestinians to have autonomy, we'll have no chance of getting near peace. 

All this "if Hamas could decimate Israel it would" talk is nonsense because they can't, and will never get near that capability. They know that, and we all know that.

Your belief that Israeli Jews will merrily live alongside Palestinians unrealistic. They antagonise and chip away at the Palestinians. Look at the settlements in west bank. Look at the almost daily settler attacks on Palestinians. Look at how the idf support and assist with that. Consider why the Israel government have purchased 10,000 assault rifles to issue to Israeli citizen, to include in mixed communities and settlements. 

It's a clusterfuck of a situation, but what did or didn't happen years ago doesn't solve a thing now. The international community need to get a grip on the situation and proactively support a multi state solution. 

Edited 22 October, 2023 by egg

[Sheaf Saint]

4 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Link?

https://www.channel4.com/news/who-was-behind-the-gaza-hospital-blast-visual-investigation

The segment I saw on the C4 news the other night also included details of a doppler analysis someone carried out on the video of the strike, which also indicated that the rocket couldn't possibly have come from the direction Israel claimed.

Add in the testimony of the Archbishop at the hospital that they received multiple warnings from the IDF to evacuate the hospital in the days leading up to the blast, you can't help but conclude that the Israeli version of events is suspect at best.

[AlexLaw76]

6 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

https://www.channel4.com/news/who-was-behind-the-gaza-hospital-blast-visual-investigation

The segment I saw on the C4 news the other night also included details of a doppler analysis someone carried out on the video of the strike, which also indicated that the rocket couldn't possibly have come from the direction Israel claimed.

Add in the testimony of the Archbishop at the hospital that they received multiple warnings from the IDF to evacuate the hospital in the days leading up to the blast, you can't help but conclude that the Israeli version of events is suspect at best.

Then you have this.

https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-hamas-war-hospital-rocket-gaza-e0fa550faa4678f024797b72132452e3

Still, interested to read these forensic reports mentioned 

Edited 22 October, 2023 by AlexLaw76

[egg]

6 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Then you have this.

https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-hamas-war-hospital-rocket-gaza-e0fa550faa4678f024797b72132452e3

Still, interested to read these forensic reports mentioned 

If there was evidence that it was on Israeli missile, you'd think that the Palestinians would be telling us all about it. 

[sadoldgit]

41 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

https://www.channel4.com/news/who-was-behind-the-gaza-hospital-blast-visual-investigation

The segment I saw on the C4 news the other night also included details of a doppler analysis someone carried out on the video of the strike, which also indicated that the rocket couldn't possibly have come from the direction Israel claimed.

Add in the testimony of the Archbishop at the hospital that they received multiple warnings from the IDF to evacuate the hospital in the days leading up to the blast, you can't help but conclude that the Israeli version of events is suspect at best.

This one goes into more detail. Is this what you were talking about?

https://www.channel4.com/news/human-rights-investigators-raise-new-questions-on-gaza-hospital-explosion

[Lord Duckhunter]

58 minutes ago, egg said:

I'm also unsure of the relevance of Jewish Israeli's living as a minority amongst Palestinians.

 

 

I wrote amongst Hamas controlled Palestine. The relevance is you’re trying to claim that Hamas wouldn’t murder Jews once they got everything they wanted. If Isreal didn’t exist or went back to its 1948 borders, Hamas would still murder jews. Which is the exact reason Isreal will never ever give up control of the West Bank. 

[iansums]

Israeli government to show unedited footage of Hamas’ own videos of the 7/10 massacre. The journalists will need strong stomachs.

[egg]

6 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

I wrote amongst Hamas controlled Palestine. The relevance is you’re trying to claim that Hamas wouldn’t murder Jews once they got everything they wanted. If Isreal didn’t exist or went back to its 1948 borders, Hamas would still murder jews. Which is the exact reason Isreal will never ever give up control of the West Bank. 

Which is one of the reasons we'll never have peace. The Hamas idealogy of no Israel is as unrealistic and dangerous as the Israeli desire to occupy. Something has to give. 

I've never said that Hamas wouldn't stop killing Jewish Israeli's. It's you who seem to think that Jewish Israeli's don't (won't) kill Palestinians. However, there's no chance if peace if the occupation continues. 

[Lighthouse]

17 minutes ago, egg said:

Which is one of the reasons we'll never have peace. The Hamas idealogy of no Israel is as unrealistic and dangerous as the Israeli desire to occupy. Something has to give. 

I've never said that Hamas wouldn't stop killing Jewish Israeli's. It's you who seem to think that Jewish Israeli's don't (won't) kill Palestinians. However, there's no chance if peace if the occupation continues. 

I think the debate can essentially be boiled down to four separate points.

1. Can ordinary Palestinians live peacefully next to an Israeli state - Yes
2. Can Israel live peacefully next to an Arab state - Yes
3. Can Hamas allow Israel to exist peacefully - No
4. Are Israel likely to stop clearing settlements in the WB - No.

3 and 4 are basically the reasons there will never be peace in that region. Not in our lifetimes anyway.

[egg]

3 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

I think the debate can essentially be boiled down to four separate points.

1. Can ordinary Palestinians live peacefully next to an Israeli state - Yes
2. Can Israel live peacefully next to an Arab state - Yes
3. Can Hamas allow Israel to exist peacefully - No
4. Are Israel likely to stop clearing settlements in the WB - No.

3 and 4 are basically the reasons there will never be peace in that region. Not in our lifetimes anyway.

I largely agree with that, but I think 2 should more accurately read "Can ordinary Israeli Jews live peacefully next to an Arab state - Yes".

I'm not as convinced as you that the Israeli state and some of its Jewish population will allow a Palestinian state and it's people to live peacefully. I point to the settlements and settler attacks as reasons. 

[Lighthouse]

5 minutes ago, egg said:

I largely agree with that, but I think 2 should more accurately read "Can ordinary Israeli Jews live peacefully next to an Arab state - Yes".

I'm not as convinced as you that the Israeli state and some of its Jewish population will allow a Palestinian state and it's people to live peacefully. I point to the settlements and settler attacks as reasons. 

I specifically said Arab state to make that distinction. Israel has shown progress on improving relations with a number of Gulf States, to the point that they even had direct flights to Saudi and the UAE. They're clearly capable of coexisting with Arabs, the dificulty is translating that into a Palestinian state when points 3 and 4 remain.

[egg]

26 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

I specifically said Arab state to make that distinction. Israel has shown progress on improving relations with a number of Gulf States, to the point that they even had direct flights to Saudi and the UAE. They're clearly capable of coexisting with Arabs, the dificulty is translating that into a Palestinian state when points 3 and 4 remain.

The issue is Israel and a Palestinian state living alongside each other. Regardless, I agree barriers will be Hamas ideology and the settlements. There's 2 way cause and effect between those 2, and no easy solution. 

Edited 22 October, 2023 by egg

[AlexLaw76]

I see the MET Police have been soft as shite in dealing with the protests..which I can only imagine has been replicated across the country.

 

[rallyboy]

Difficult to criticise the Met, their judgement is normally spot on in these situations, especially since they suspended their recruitment drive in the rapist community.

Perhaps they had trouble spotting the dozen nutters in every 10,000 peace protesters.

Luckily our Home Sec was on hand to highlight any hate crimes, her specialist area.

[egg]

41 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

I see the MET Police have been soft as shite in dealing with the protests..which I can only imagine has been replicated across the country.

 

The police need only deal with people behaving in an illegal manner, to include obviously supporting Hamas. 

[Fan The Flames]

My brother in law a right wing anti-woke freedom of speecher, this morning is twisting himself inside over people saying stuff he doesn't like whilst defending the right for people to say stuff he does like.

[badgerx16]

1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said:

I see the MET Police have been soft as shite in dealing with the protests..which I can only imagine has been replicated across the country.

 

What do you expect them to do when nobody is breaking the Law ? Both Blair and Cameron backed down from declaring Hizb-ut-Tahrir a proscribed organisation.

Edited 23 October, 2023 by badgerx16

[AlexLaw76]

1 hour ago, rallyboy said:

Difficult to criticise the Met, their judgement is normally spot on in these situations, especially since they suspended their recruitment drive in the rapist community.

Perhaps they had trouble spotting the dozen nutters in every 10,000 peace protesters.

Luckily our Home Sec was on hand to highlight any hate crimes, her specialist area.

Thing is, they were hardly hidden. Only had to switch on the news to see where they were

[AlexLaw76]

2 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

What do you expect them to do when nobody is breaking the Law ?

Inciting hate is breaking the law. If this was say, an anti-lockdown protest, protesting against the idea of 32456 genders, or a bunch of Millwall fans, they would have been battered by the police

Edited 23 October, 2023 by AlexLaw76

[whelk]

8 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Thing is, they were hardly hidden. Only had to switch on the news to see where they were

99% of those on those protests were probably cunts of some sort IMHO. 

[badgerx16]

24 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Inciting hate is breaking the law.

The Met seem to have decided that nothing of that sort was going on.

[AlexLaw76]

2 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

The Met seem to have decided that nothing of that sort was going on.

Of course they did. They also thought it was right and proper to batter women protesting after the Sarah Everard case.

They also thought it was appropriate to take the knee and claim the BLM protests were "largely peaceful"

Edited 23 October, 2023 by AlexLaw76

[egg]

1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Inciting hate is breaking the law. If this was say, an anti-lockdown protest, protesting against the idea of 32456 genders, or a bunch of Millwall fans, they would have been battered by the police

And the police need deal with those people doing that. 

If you're trying to suggest that everyone peacefully opposing what the Israeli government are doing in Gaza (and the West Bank) is inciting hate, then say that. 

[AlexLaw76]

36 minutes ago, egg said:

And the police need deal with those people doing that. 

If you're trying to suggest that everyone peacefully opposing what the Israeli government are doing in Gaza (and the West Bank) is inciting hate, then say that. 

I agree totally, but the police just stand by and watch, which is clear deviation from policing other interest groups.

Still, at least they did not take the knee this time (or batter women).

[sadoldgit]

1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Of course they did. They also thought it was right and proper to batter women protesting after the Sarah Everard case.

They also thought it was appropriate to take the knee and claim the BLM protests were "largely peaceful"

I’m not sure what you main issue is here. Is it that they haven’t “battered” people peacefully protesting in support of innocent Muslims?

Given that this Government proposes to let convicted criminals to leave prison before the end of their sentences, would you be happy with their places taken by protesters? Or are you just happy for them to be “battered”?

I appreciate that you are just as unhappy about the lack of “battering” as the Home Secretary, but perhaps, given the amount of criticism the Met have received for previous heavy handedness at protests, they decided to use some common sense this time?

Edited 23 October, 2023 by sadoldgit
Typo

[egg]

15 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

I agree totally, but the police just stand by and watch, which is clear deviation from policing other interest groups.

Still, at least they did not take the knee this time (or batter women).

I'm with SoG - I'm not sure what actual point you're trying to make.

The protests in support of Palestine have been largely peaceful. Sure, there'll be idiots amongst that lot like the person shouting Jihad, and those people should be dealt with accordingly.

The peaceful protesters have been treated as they should be, ie left to it.