whelk Posted January 28 Posted January 28 18 minutes ago, benjii said: Announcement to the forum: I voted for the Lib Dems once. A long time ago. I have never voted for Hamas. Be careful, Gloucester Saint will be sending you pamphlets 2
Lighthouse Posted January 28 Posted January 28 1 hour ago, benjii said: Announcement to the forum: I voted for the Lib Dems once. A long time ago. I have never voted for Hamas. I quite like their urban ULEZ policy.
Gloucester Saint Posted January 28 Posted January 28 2 hours ago, whelk said: Be careful, Gloucester Saint will be sending you pamphlets Yellows! Yellows!
benjii Posted January 29 Posted January 29 10 hours ago, Lighthouse said: I quite like their urban ULEZ policy. Should get them doing something useful. They could build subway networks in cities lacking integrated public transport.
Whitey Grandad Posted January 29 Posted January 29 8 hours ago, benjii said: Should get them doing something useful. They could build subway networks in cities lacking integrated public transport. Aren’t they called “tunnels”? Is this another example of your sardonic wit? 🤨
benjii Posted January 29 Posted January 29 2 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said: Aren’t they called “tunnels”? Is this another example of your sardonic wit? 🤨 They seem good at it! 1
hypochondriac Posted February 1 Posted February 1 Thanks goodness he's out but what sick barbarity these innocent people have endured. Kidnapping and killing young children and mothers, laughing about it and filming his devastated reaction. Just absolute scum.
SotonianWill Posted February 2 Posted February 2 Nice to see the Tommy Robinson march defaced the Union flag with some half and half Britain-Israel monstrosity. If only these “patriots” had the time to look into the history of Israel and its acts against British people, of which they’re still proud - bombing our own up. Can’t seem to upload the image 1
benjii Posted February 3 Posted February 3 On 02/02/2025 at 11:01, SotonianWill said: Nice to see the Tommy Robinson march defaced the Union flag with some half and half Britain-Israel monstrosity. If only these “patriots” had the time to look into the history of Israel and its acts against British people, of which they’re still proud - bombing our own up. Can’t seem to upload the image https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sergeants_affair
whelk Posted February 9 Posted February 9 Imagine looking at this photo and not knowing what side you are on? 1
Lord Duckhunter Posted February 9 Posted February 9 “Hamas starved him and left him with no knowledge of what they did to his young girls, wife and brother.” “He found out today”. “his mother and his sister comforting him.”
egg Posted February 9 Author Posted February 9 33 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said: “Hamas starved him and left him with no knowledge of what they did to his young girls, wife and brother.” “He found out today”. “his mother and his sister comforting him.” What happened to that bloke and his family was horrendous. Alas, there's unimaginable cruelty on both sides of this. Pretty much every one of the 183 Palestinian's released yesterday needed hospital treatment because of how they were treated. Overnight the Israeli's shot an 8 month pregnant woman, and critically injured her husband, just because. 1
whelk Posted February 9 Posted February 9 1 hour ago, egg said: What happened to that bloke and his family was horrendous. Alas, there's unimaginable cruelty on both sides of this. Pretty much every one of the 183 Palestinian's released yesterday needed hospital treatment because of how they were treated. Overnight the Israeli's shot an 8 month pregnant woman, and critically injured her husband, just because. What a sad but predictable response from you.
egg Posted February 9 Author Posted February 9 42 minutes ago, whelk said: What a sad but predictable response from you. It's a shame that you don't like a balanced discussion on this issue. Equivalence, no, but mutual disgraceful behaviour, yes. It should be possible to recognise that. 2
east-stand-nic Posted February 9 Posted February 9 13 minutes ago, egg said: It's a shame that you don't like a balanced discussion on this issue. Equivalence, no, but mutual disgraceful behaviour, yes. It should be possible to recognise that. Sorry, but neither do you like balanced discussion, you are the same as SOG. Almost everyone on this forum is like you and he. You only see it from your view and everyone else's view is wrong. Hardly anyone on this forum is able to see things a balanced and open minded way. I have never seen such a bunch. 2 1
egg Posted February 9 Author Posted February 9 Just now, east-stand-nic said: Sorry, but neither do you like balanced discussion, you are the same as SOG. Almost everyone on this forum is like you and he. You only see it from your view and everyone else's view is wrong. Hardly anyone on this forum is able to see things a balanced and open minded way. I have never seen such a bunch. I'm not sure you've actually read my posts from earlier today. Recognising both sides behaviour is not seeing only one position. What I don't like about the 'discussion' in this issue is the perpetual attempts to shut down any commentary that criticises the Israeli behaviour. Hamas are a disgrace. The IDF are disgrace. The Israeli suffering at the hands of Hamas is terrible. Ditto the the Palestinian suffering at the hands of the Israeli's. I'm unsure where the imbalance is there. 1
Lord Duckhunter Posted February 9 Posted February 9 3 hours ago, egg said: Pretty much every one of the 183 Palestinian's released yesterday needed hospital treatment because of how they were treated. I’m pretty sure the 183 terrorists released yesterday were treated better, both physically and mentally, than the 3 innocent civilians Hamas released… 1
whelk Posted February 9 Posted February 9 1 hour ago, egg said: It's a shame that you don't like a balanced discussion on this issue. Equivalence, no, but mutual disgraceful behaviour, yes. It should be possible to recognise that. So predictable that these vile scum exposed for their inhumanity and within 10 words you equate to Israeli prison conditions. 1
egg Posted February 9 Author Posted February 9 3 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said: I’m pretty sure the 183 terrorists released yesterday were treated better, both physically and mentally, than the 3 innocent civilians Hamas released… On the subject of balanced views. I've never heard one shred of sympathy from you re the Palestinian plight. 1
whelk Posted February 9 Posted February 9 (edited) Everyone give a like to Kanye West’s tweet? Edited February 9 by whelk
egg Posted February 9 Author Posted February 9 1 minute ago, whelk said: So predictable that these vile scum exposed for their inhumanity and within 10 words you equate to Israeli prison conditions. I was waiting for someone to pipe up suggesting that I'm implying equation/equivalence. Two wrongs, but some people only see one. Shameful.
hypochondriac Posted February 9 Posted February 9 45 minutes ago, egg said: I was waiting for someone to pipe up suggesting that I'm implying equation/equivalence. Two wrongs, but some people only see one. Shameful. Two wrongs implies an equivalence. There is none. 1
egg Posted February 9 Author Posted February 9 13 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: Two wrongs implies an equivalence. There is none. It doesn't. Mutual condemnation is just that. Saying they're as bad as each other is equivalence. Only seeing fault on one side, as per you and a few others on here, is bewildering. 1
aintforever Posted February 9 Posted February 9 34 minutes ago, egg said: It doesn't. Mutual condemnation is just that. Saying they're as bad as each other is equivalence. Only seeing fault on one side, as per you and a few others on here, is bewildering. What do you expect, it’s a football forum. You can’t have a balanced view you have to pick a team. If you point out bad things Israel do by default you are in ‘Team Terrorists’. 2
hypochondriac Posted February 9 Posted February 9 6 minutes ago, aintforever said: What do you expect, it’s a football forum. You can’t have a balanced view you have to pick a team. If you point out bad things Israel do by default you are in ‘Team Terrorists’. There's no equivalence between Hamas and Israel.
aintforever Posted February 9 Posted February 9 9 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: There's no equivalence between Hamas and Israel. I disagree, both have the blood of a lot of innocent people on their hands. 2
Weston Super Saint Posted February 9 Posted February 9 (edited) 2 hours ago, aintforever said: I disagree, both have the blood of a lot of innocent people on their hands. Likewise Russia, China, North Korea, Rwanda and many many other countries. Are they all the same? Edited February 9 by Weston Super Saint
aintforever Posted February 9 Posted February 9 6 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said: Likewise Russia, China, Northern Korea, Rwanda and many many other countries. Are they all the same? No they are all very different.
Weston Super Saint Posted February 9 Posted February 9 Just now, aintforever said: No they are all very different. They all have a lot of innocent blood on their hands, ergo, as you've stated, there is equivalence. Unless you've changed your mind already?
aintforever Posted February 9 Posted February 9 Just now, Weston Super Saint said: They all have a lot of innocent blood on their hands, ergo, as you've stated, there is equivalence. Unless you've changed your mind already? They can have something in common and still all be different.
Weston Super Saint Posted February 9 Posted February 9 2 minutes ago, aintforever said: They can have something in common and still all be different. Like Hamas and Israel?
aintforever Posted February 9 Posted February 9 Just now, Weston Super Saint said: Like Hamas and Israel? Give the man a prize, he has finally got it.
Weston Super Saint Posted February 9 Posted February 9 1 minute ago, aintforever said: Give the man a prize, he has finally got it. So why did you 'disagree' when Hypo stated there was no equivalence between the two. I think you've tied yourself up in knots, not for the first time.
egg Posted February 9 Author Posted February 9 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said: So why did you 'disagree' when Hypo stated there was no equivalence between the two. I think you've tied yourself up in knots, not for the first time. . Edited February 9 by egg Can't be arsed. It's been done to death
Weston Super Saint Posted February 9 Posted February 9 3 minutes ago, egg said: He hasn't. He's made the factual point that both sides have acted disgracefully. Babbling on about equivalence when that point is made has become a way of avoiding having to acknowledge a fact that you don't want to acknowledge, or not wanting to acknowledge that you consider the unacceptable behaviour of one side to be acceptable. I appreciate that both sides have killed innocent people. I also appreciate that Israel have killed a lot more than Hamas. I can also see that had Hamas not carried out the attack that they did, then the vast majority of the deaths wouldn't have happened.
benjii Posted February 10 Posted February 10 It's funny and/or depressing when people latch onto a phrase/concept as a lazy moral "gotcha". It's even funnier / more depressing when that phrase originated from the bland proclamation of our monotonous politicians. 1
hypochondriac Posted February 10 Posted February 10 12 hours ago, aintforever said: I disagree, both have the blood of a lot of innocent people on their hands. Ukraine have killed some innocent people too. Is there an equivalence between Ukraine and Russia? 1
egg Posted February 10 Author Posted February 10 1 hour ago, hypochondriac said: Ukraine have killed some innocent people too. Is there an equivalence between Ukraine and Russia? Daft again. Britain smashed up Dresden unnecessarily. We all know there was no equivalence between Britain and Nazi Germany, but by your unique definition, by that act there must have been.
badgerx16 Posted February 10 Posted February 10 11 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said: I appreciate that both sides have killed innocent people. I also appreciate that Israel have killed a lot more than Hamas. I can also see that had Hamas not carried out the attack that they did, then the vast majority of the deaths wouldn't have happened. The whatabout response might be to say that if Israel hadn't illegally occupied parts of the West Bank the Hamas attack might not have happened. There is a circular argument over cause and effect that can be dragged back to before WW2, but neither side of it can hide the fact that it is a shit show with no obvious solution, and hundreds, if not thousands, of innocent people will continue to die whilst arrogant, power hungry politicians, elected or self-appointed, play their ego games. 1
hypochondriac Posted February 10 Posted February 10 1 hour ago, egg said: Daft again. Britain smashed up Dresden unnecessarily. We all know there was no equivalence between Britain and Nazi Germany, but by your unique definition, by that act there must have been. Where is my unique definition? All I've said is that there is not an equivalence between Hamas and Israel.
egg Posted February 10 Author Posted February 10 37 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: Where is my unique definition? All I've said is that there is not an equivalence between Hamas and Israel. "Two wrongs implies an equivalence" you've said. It doesn't.
aintforever Posted February 10 Posted February 10 5 hours ago, hypochondriac said: Ukraine have killed some innocent people too. Is there an equivalence between Ukraine and Russia? Probably more of an an equivalence between Israel and Russia. Both like to steal other people's land and have little regard for the lives of innocents.
hypochondriac Posted February 10 Posted February 10 3 hours ago, egg said: "Two wrongs implies an equivalence" you've said. It doesn't. Just as long as you agree that there is no equivalence. Aintforever seems to think there is one but I'm glad to see you disagree.
egg Posted February 10 Author Posted February 10 33 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: Just as long as you agree that there is no equivalence. Aintforever seems to think there is one but I'm glad to see you disagree. Pathetic. 1
The Kraken Posted February 10 Posted February 10 Hamas have suspended their prisoner release. https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c2056vkpkrgt
Lord Duckhunter Posted February 10 Posted February 10 6 minutes ago, The Kraken said: Hamas have suspended their prisoner release. https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c2056vkpkrgt “Prisoners”, I think the word is hostages. 2
hypochondriac Posted February 10 Posted February 10 1 hour ago, egg said: Pathetic. Agreed. Quite pathetic for aintforever to suggest an equivalence when we have established that one does not exist. Glad it's clear.
hypochondriac Posted February 10 Posted February 10 2 minutes ago, The Kraken said: Correct, hostages, my mistake. Very sad news. Indeed very unfortunate but sadly not unsurprising.
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