hypochondriac Posted 9 March, 2024 Posted 9 March, 2024 1 hour ago, egg said: In summary: You: 'They're Islamist nutters' You: They kill gay people in accordance with their interpretation of Islam. You: Cos of that they want to destroy Israel, and as a consequence see the destruction of their country and people. Me: You're absolutely bonkers, and clearly don't have much time for Islam or Islamists. Correct. No sane person would have time for Islamists and they absolutely are Islamist nutters.
hypochondriac Posted 9 March, 2024 Posted 9 March, 2024 1 hour ago, egg said: I don't have much time for any organised religion Whelk, and as much as I don't like the Iranian (and Saudi, etc) interpretation and enforcement of it, it doesn't lead me to conclude that they're 'islamist nutters' (blatantly islamaphobic comment btw - I suspect describing the Israeli's as 'jewish nutters' may raise an eyebrow) likely to nuke another state and cause their own destruction. Their religious leader has authority over the person supposedly running the country ffs. They are the definition of nutters.
Turkish Posted 9 March, 2024 Posted 9 March, 2024 (edited) 1 hour ago, egg said: That's a more sensible and credible explanation Del than some of that above, but martyrdom of the whole country and it's people would be the impact of a nuclear attack by Iran on Israel. Lighthouse's opinion that the Iranian interpretation and enforcement of sharia on the ground is evidence that they'd risk their entire nation to destroy Israel is one that I find ridiculous. Iran, like anyone else with a nuke, want a nuclear deterrent. That works - nobody will now attack North Korea, and the west back off from Russia . Iran are plainly a future Iraq/Afghanistan, but with a nuke, they have guaranteed safety albeit with a lifetime of sanctions for not doing as they're told. It wouldn’t be the whole country though it’d be a few lunatics in a position of power who enforce laws which enable them to think by pushing the button to kill unbelievers and themselves they’re going to be rewarded by dying as a hero. The reality is it’s highly unlikely but it’s far from being absolutely bonkers to suggest it’s possible Edited 9 March, 2024 by Turkish 1
Weston Super Saint Posted 9 March, 2024 Posted 9 March, 2024 1 hour ago, Turkish said: It wouldn’t be the whole country though it’d be a few lunatics in a position of power who enforce laws which enable them to think by pushing the button to kill unbelievers and themselves they’re going to be rewarded by dying as a hero. The reality is it’s highly unlikely but it’s far from being absolutely bonkers to suggest it’s possible Where they get to live for eternity surrounded by virgins!!!
badgerx16 Posted 9 March, 2024 Posted 9 March, 2024 2 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said: Where they get to live for eternity surrounded by virgins!!! Save that image, it might be needed for the match thread.
sadoldgit Posted 13 March, 2024 Posted 13 March, 2024 At a time when the IDF are under close scrutiny about their actions in Gaza. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68513408.amp 1
whelk Posted 13 March, 2024 Posted 13 March, 2024 I don’t get why they don’t just handcuff the ones with ‘terrorist’ tattooed on their foreheads
badgerx16 Posted 13 March, 2024 Posted 13 March, 2024 A 12 year old Palestinian boy in East Jerusalem was shot dead whilst playing with a firework with his brother and some friends. The Policeman who killed him has been praised as a hero, the boy has been labelled a terrorist.
egg Posted 13 March, 2024 Author Posted 13 March, 2024 41 minutes ago, badgerx16 said: A 12 year old Palestinian boy in East Jerusalem was shot dead whilst playing with a firework with his brother and some friends. The Policeman who killed him has been praised as a hero, the boy has been labelled a terrorist. It's been happening for years mate. Shooting kids dead, or disabling them with dum dum bullets, happens most days in the west bank. Overnight they also ploughed up the roads in a refugee camp, burst the water mains, knocked over electricity poles, and destroyed homes. Not collective punishment of course. 1
Lord Duckhunter Posted 17 March, 2024 Posted 17 March, 2024 A lot of us have said these marches won’t make a blind bit Of difference to the Palestinian cause, they won’t help them achieve victory. Now we know why.
badgerx16 Posted 18 March, 2024 Posted 18 March, 2024 10 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said: A lot of us have said these marches won’t make a blind bit Of difference to the Palestinian cause, they won’t help them achieve victory. Now we know why. Maybe it is because there aren't enough LGBTQetc marchers. 1
Turkish Posted 18 March, 2024 Posted 18 March, 2024 10 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said: A lot of us have said these marches won’t make a blind bit Of difference to the Palestinian cause, they won’t help them achieve victory. Now we know why. Who's' gonna tell um?
whelk Posted 18 March, 2024 Posted 18 March, 2024 Hang on, I didn't think Hamas were in hospitals? https://news.sky.com/story/israel-gaza-hamas-latest-middle-east-live-updates-sky-news-blog-12978800
sadoldgit Posted 25 March, 2024 Posted 25 March, 2024 A chilling read if you are Palestinian. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68650815.amp
badgerx16 Posted 25 March, 2024 Posted 25 March, 2024 33 minutes ago, sadoldgit said: A chilling read if you are Palestinian. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68650815.amp We could always offer paid flights to Rwanda to help the displaced people. ( #tongueincheek )
badgerx16 Posted 2 April, 2024 Posted 2 April, 2024 (edited) The IDF appear to have blown up and killed 7 foreign aid workers travelling in a clearly marked vehicle in a "de-conflicted" area, who were leaving an aid warehouse on a route agreed with the Israelis. Edited 2 April, 2024 by badgerx16
sadoldgit Posted 2 April, 2024 Posted 2 April, 2024 2 hours ago, badgerx16 said: The IDF appear to have blown up and killed 7 foreign aid workers travelling in a clearly marked vehicle in a "de-conflicted" area, who were leaving an aid warehouse on a route agreed with the Israelis. Sadly yet another in a very long line of “collateral damage” reports. It started on 7th October when the IDF indiscriminately fired on their own as well as Hamas. Nearly 100 journalists have been killed along with the tens of thousands of innocent civilians locked in Gaza. Still no end in sight of this daily massacre by a gung-ho military led by a government intent of the ethic cleansing of Gaza.
Lighthouse Posted 2 April, 2024 Posted 2 April, 2024 11 minutes ago, sadoldgit said: Sadly yet another in a very long line of “collateral damage” reports. It started on 7th October when the IDF indiscriminately fired on their own as well as Hamas. Nearly 100 journalists have been killed along with the tens of thousands of innocent civilians locked in Gaza. Still no end in sight of this daily massacre by a gung-ho military led by a government intent of the ethic cleansing of Gaza. Hamas will no doubt want to avoid further civilian casualties like this and so drive out into the desert for one glorious final battle, away from built up areas. 1
Tamesaint Posted 2 April, 2024 Posted 2 April, 2024 3 hours ago, badgerx16 said: The IDF appear to have blown up and killed 7 foreign aid workers travelling in a clearly marked vehicle in a "de-conflicted" area, who were leaving an aid warehouse on a route agreed with the Israelis. An Australian, a Brit and a Pole already announced as amongst the dead. Those Israelis really know how to piss off the world.
sadoldgit Posted 2 April, 2024 Posted 2 April, 2024 2 hours ago, Lighthouse said: Hamas will no doubt want to avoid further civilian casualties like this and so drive out into the desert for one glorious final battle, away from built up areas. Let’s just hope that aid workers, medics and journalists make sure that they are wearing clothing that identifies who they are because we wouldn’t want them to be accidentally shot would we? Oh wait. Or waving white flags and calling out that they are Israeli hostages. Netanyahu himself has said that they are going out of their way to minimise civilian casualties. Tell that to the 30,000 + already murdered. Whoops. Accidents happen. As for wide open spaces, the way they are levelling Gaza it will soon be a wide open space so they will get their wish. Your comment makes you sound like Duckhunter. Well done. 1 1
badgerx16 Posted 2 April, 2024 Posted 2 April, 2024 Looking at the BBC reporting it seems there were 3 separate vehicles hit along a 1 1/2 mile stretch of road. Hardly one single incident.
egg Posted 2 April, 2024 Author Posted 2 April, 2024 3 hours ago, sadoldgit said: Let’s just hope that aid workers, medics and journalists make sure that they are wearing clothing that identifies who they are because we wouldn’t want them to be accidentally shot would we? Oh wait. Or waving white flags and calling out that they are Israeli hostages. Netanyahu himself has said that they are going out of their way to minimise civilian casualties. Tell that to the 30,000 + already murdered. Whoops. Accidents happen. As for wide open spaces, the way they are levelling Gaza it will soon be a wide open space so they will get their wish. Your comment makes you sound like Duckhunter. Well done. Yep. Pretty crass comment from him, but sadly there are still some who believe that this is a fight between Israel and Hamas, not an attack on Gaza.
inspectorfrost Posted 2 April, 2024 Posted 2 April, 2024 (edited) On 09/03/2024 at 11:44, hypochondriac said: This is actually the whole point. All these people talk about how outrageous the Israeli actions are, the whole point is in an alternate reality where they had acted exactly as their detractors would have wanted them to, Hamas woukd have seized any opportunity they could get to do it again and worse if they got the opportunity. Let's not forget also that these people were voted for by the population of Gaza. They wouldn't see so called Israeli tolerance in this situation as something to be grateful for, they'd view it as a weakness that they can exploit to cause more death and destruction. A lot of these people have also had Israelis kick them and their families/neighbours out of their homes and bulldoze them to the ground, will full support from the Israeli government/military. What would you have done? Israel have spent years employing the tactic of gradual incursion, and Hamas' countered with an attack of which the whole aim is escalation and destabilising the entire region. Of course Israel needed to respond to the October attacks, but doing the same thing that has failed time and time again isn't likely to solve it. What Netanyahu's currently doing is what created Hamas in the first place. It's one reason why thousands of Israelis are currently protesting in Israel calling for Netanyahu's head. They'll get rid of Hamas and create something worse in the process. Edited 2 April, 2024 by inspectorfrost 5
sadoldgit Posted 3 April, 2024 Posted 3 April, 2024 More media suppression by the Israeli government . https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/01/al-jazeera-faces-security-threat-ban-after-israel-passes-new-law-benjamin-netanyahu It’s a shame that it has taken the death of 3 British aid workers for the Daily Mail and the British government to be outraged given that we are well over the figure of 30,000 dead Palestinians. Perhaps the West will stop supplying Netanyahu with arms now that it is crystal clear that the IDF aren’t fussed about who they use them on? Not that they have been particularly bothered since 7th October. For those who continue to excuse the actions of the IDF, perhaps you should just fess up and admit that the lives of innocent Palestinians are worth less than others.
AlexLaw76 Posted 3 April, 2024 Posted 3 April, 2024 4 minutes ago, sadoldgit said: More media suppression by the Israeli government . https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/01/al-jazeera-faces-security-threat-ban-after-israel-passes-new-law-benjamin-netanyahu It’s a shame that it has taken the death of 3 British aid workers for the Daily Mail and the British government to be outraged given that we are well over the figure of 30,000 dead Palestinians. Perhaps the West will stop supplying Netanyahu with arms now that it is crystal clear that the IDF aren’t fussed about who they use them on? Not that they have been particularly bothered since 7th October. For those who continue to excuse the actions of the IDF, perhaps you should just fess up and admit that the lives of innocent Palestinians are worth less than others. Can I ask a question. Why are you (and countless others) so fixated on this part of the world?
whelk Posted 3 April, 2024 Posted 3 April, 2024 12 hours ago, inspectorfrost said: What Netanyahu's currently doing is what created Hamas in the first place. Is your assumption that all Palestinians were peaceful and happy to live side by side the Israelis prior to Netanyahu or the creation of Hamas? There is a reason that Israel react the way they do which seems conveniently ignored. If only they weren’t bombing Gaza, Hezbollah would be laying down their weapons right? Too many have such a simplistic sixth form hippy view of the world. 2
Lighthouse Posted 3 April, 2024 Posted 3 April, 2024 21 hours ago, sadoldgit said: Let’s just hope that aid workers, medics and journalists make sure that they are wearing clothing that identifies who they are because we wouldn’t want them to be accidentally shot would we? Oh wait. Or waving white flags and calling out that they are Israeli hostages. Netanyahu himself has said that they are going out of their way to minimise civilian casualties. Tell that to the 30,000 + already murdered. Whoops. Accidents happen. As for wide open spaces, the way they are levelling Gaza it will soon be a wide open space so they will get their wish. Your comment makes you sound like Duckhunter. Well done. That’s a very angry reaction to the suggestion that perhaps Hamas might also be able to do something to reduce the civilian casualties you’re so concerned about. 13 hours ago, inspectorfrost said: They'll get rid of Hamas and create something worse in the process. What’s worse than wanting death for every Jewish man, woman and child living in any sort of Jewish state in that region?
aintforever Posted 3 April, 2024 Posted 3 April, 2024 1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said: Can I ask a question. Why are you (and countless others) so fixated on this part of the world? I don't like people's rights being denied anywhere but the Palestinian thing particularly grates with me because of the UK's history with the creation of Israel and our government's support for the country. My grandad and great uncle both served in the region during and after WW2. When Israel commit an atrocity many in the muslim world see it as us (the west) as responsible. We like to see ourselves as people who stand up fro human rights and there is an obvious hypocrisy there.
badgerx16 Posted 3 April, 2024 Posted 3 April, 2024 1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said: Can I ask a question. Why are you (and countless others) so fixated on this part of the world? Can I ask a question - why do you appear to not give a shit ?
Sheaf Saint Posted 3 April, 2024 Posted 3 April, 2024 43 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: That’s a very angry reaction to the suggestion that perhaps Hamas might also be able to do something to reduce the civilian casualties you’re so concerned about. What exactly can Hamas do to prevent the IDF deliberately targeting aid workers? 2
Fan The Flames Posted 3 April, 2024 Posted 3 April, 2024 https://www.timesofisrael.com/thousands-of-right-wing-activists-are-preparing-to-resettle-gaza-after-the-war/ And so the cycle continues.
AlexLaw76 Posted 3 April, 2024 Posted 3 April, 2024 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said: What exactly can Hamas do to prevent the IDF deliberately targeting aid workers? release the hostages?? I was not aware the IDF deliberately targeted aid workers??? Edited 3 April, 2024 by AlexLaw76
Fan The Flames Posted 3 April, 2024 Posted 3 April, 2024 3 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said: What exactly can Hamas do to prevent the IDF deliberately targeting aid workers? The information flow straight after an incident is normally telling before the perpetrators have time to button down the narrative. It was stated early yesterday that the IDF attacked the convoy because they believed that it was carrying a Hamas target. And that the IDF 'mistake' was not bombing the convoy but wrongly believing that it contained the Hamas target. If This is true then this wasn't the fog of war stuff, the aid workers were planned collateral damage, or in real terms murdered because they were either in the way or seen as helping Hamas. 2
badgerx16 Posted 3 April, 2024 Posted 3 April, 2024 4 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: I was not aware the IDF deliberately targeted aid workers??? Well they do, and journalists, and children, etc, etc.
AlexLaw76 Posted 3 April, 2024 Posted 3 April, 2024 1 minute ago, Fan The Flames said: The information flow straight after an incident is normally telling before the perpetrators have time to button down the narrative. It was stated early yesterday that the IDF attacked the convoy because they believed that it was carrying a Hamas target. And that the IDF 'mistake' was not bombing the convoy but wrongly believing that it contained the Hamas target. If This is true then this wasn't the fog of war stuff, the aid workers were planned collateral damage, or in real terms murdered because they were either in the way or seen as helping Hamas. ex UKSF (or current?), who specialised in high level close protection and urban warfare, were killed.... Those ration packs needed highly skilled operatives to deliver them it seems
badgerx16 Posted 3 April, 2024 Posted 3 April, 2024 (edited) 56 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: ex UKSF (or current?), who specialised in high level close protection and urban warfare, were killed.... Those ration packs needed highly skilled operatives to deliver them it seems Security teams working to provide assistance and advice to WCK. All aid agencies working in war zones use ex military to provide security. What else do you think they were there for ? Do you think we are now providing INTEL to Hamas ? Edited 3 April, 2024 by badgerx16 1
Fan The Flames Posted 3 April, 2024 Posted 3 April, 2024 8 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: ex UKSF (or current?), who specialised in high level close protection and urban warfare, were killed.... Those ration packs needed highly skilled operatives to deliver them it seems Are you trying to suggest they were up to something else or just being flippant.
AlexLaw76 Posted 3 April, 2024 Posted 3 April, 2024 Just now, Fan The Flames said: Are you trying to suggest they were up to something else or just being flippant. Not suggesting anything. As with Ukraine, who controls the narrative is the master
badgerx16 Posted 3 April, 2024 Posted 3 April, 2024 2 minutes ago, Fan The Flames said: Are you trying to suggest they were up to something else or just being flippant. Stupid is as stupid does.
whelk Posted 3 April, 2024 Posted 3 April, 2024 20 minutes ago, Fan The Flames said: If This is true then this wasn't the fog of war stuff, the aid workers were planned collateral damage, or in real terms murdered because they were either in the way or seen as helping Hamas. You surely know that this is what IDF will do? Killing the aid workers is unforgivable but let’s not pretend Israel won’t take extreme measures to get their enemy at the expense of innocents
Weston Super Saint Posted 3 April, 2024 Posted 3 April, 2024 1 hour ago, aintforever said: I don't like people's rights being denied anywhere but the Palestinian thing particularly grates with me because of the UK's history with the creation of Israel and our government's support for the country. My grandad and great uncle both served in the region during and after WW2. When Israel commit an atrocity many in the muslim world see it as us (the west) as responsible. We like to see ourselves as people who stand up fro human rights and there is an obvious hypocrisy there. Ah, that must explain why you've been so vocal about Sudan. Oh wait, no, not a word... 1
badgerx16 Posted 3 April, 2024 Posted 3 April, 2024 44 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: Not suggesting anything. As with Ukraine, who controls the narrative is the master I thought the IDF were trying to control the narrative.
rallyboy Posted 3 April, 2024 Posted 3 April, 2024 52 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: ex UKSF (or current?), who specialised in high level close protection and urban warfare, were killed.... Those ration packs needed highly skilled operatives to deliver them it seems Carefully tracking the narrative of the previous posts, you have just implied that the British guys targeted and murdered by Israel were not aid workers or just security, and with their CVs, may have been working for Hamas....a line that even the Israeli government isn't taking, they've said it was a mistake, you seem to disagree. And don't bother to ask me anything as a distraction, you lost my attention when you started typing. Not today, 8,000 posts ago. 3 2
Fan The Flames Posted 3 April, 2024 Posted 3 April, 2024 55 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: Not suggesting anything. As with Ukraine, who controls the narrative is the master Not suggesting anything by suggesting stuff. Then followed up by some vague fluff. Great input DD. 1
Fan The Flames Posted 3 April, 2024 Posted 3 April, 2024 52 minutes ago, whelk said: You surely know that this is what IDF will do? Killing the aid workers is unforgivable but let’s not pretend Israel won’t take extreme measures to get their enemy at the expense of innocents Yes I'm aware that's how they will act and that they will claim that shit happens in war. With few consequences.
Lighthouse Posted 3 April, 2024 Posted 3 April, 2024 3 hours ago, Sheaf Saint said: What exactly can Hamas do to prevent the IDF deliberately targeting aid workers? Drive out into the desert, away from any civilian areas, at any point in the last six months. Aid workers and civilians would be ten miles away from the nearest fight and no innocents need get hurt. 2
badgerx16 Posted 3 April, 2024 Posted 3 April, 2024 24 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: Drive out into the desert, away from any civilian areas, at any point in the last six months. Aid workers and civilians would be ten miles away from the nearest fight and no innocents need get hurt. But then Israel would not have their excuse for turning Gaza into a pile of rubble and driving the population out, which is clearly their intent. 1
Lighthouse Posted 3 April, 2024 Posted 3 April, 2024 7 minutes ago, badgerx16 said: But then Israel would not have their excuse for turning Gaza into a pile of rubble and driving the population out, which is clearly their intent. Oh, well in that case they should definitely do it. Imagine how stupid they’d make the IDF look if they were all just sat out in the empty desert, having a BBQ, whilst the IDF were blowing up hospitals. They would make Israel look ridiculous in the eyes of the world AND have the added bonus of not dying.
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