Saints, Leeds, Foxes and Burnley to sue Toffees?

[31cc]

Everton face threat of multimillion-pound legal bill from quartet over FFP case | Everton | The Guardian

 

If the dugout pioneers lose their FFP case in October, we could team up to sue them. Please please please....   🙂

[Doctoroncall]

Just not sure on what grounds considering we finished last by a clear margin and got three points out of the six against them. Perhaps one placement prize money???
 

But it’s Everton and if the club can get money out of them then why not. 

[Whitey Grandad]

56 minutes ago, Doctoroncall said:

Just not sure on what grounds considering we finished last by a clear margin and got three points out of the six against them. Perhaps one placement prize money???
 

But it’s Everton and if the club can get money out of them then why not. 

That’s two games out of 36. If their spending was influential in getting them points out of other games then it will have affected us.

[steve green]

I think we may've been relegated for reasons other than Everton's ability to waste money.

 

We were rubbish, appointed managers out of their depth, and bought players unsuited for the PL.

[Saint Fan CaM]

Bad stuff doesn’t happen to clubs like Everton…rules are bent to accommodate them.

[Dusic]

The rules should be upheld by the bodies who set them, rather than in this way.

If Everton have broken the rules they should be punished accordingly.

Regardless of what Everton did, Saints and the other clubs deserved to be relegated.

[Wade Garrett]

15 minutes ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

Bad stuff doesn’t happen to clubs like Everton…rules are bent to accommodate them.

Absolutely.  Just like Man City and FFP.

I have no faith in justice being served for either team.

[skintsaint]

Might sue Saints for being shit and ruining most of my weekends last season.

[Wade Garrett]

1 minute ago, Dusic said:

The rules should be upheld by the bodies who set them, rather than in this way.

If Everton have broken the rules they should be punished accordingly.

Regardless of what Everton did, Saints and the other clubs deserved to be relegated.

Don’t agree.  Everton could have stayed up by breaking the rules. I agree that we would have gone down regardless, I think Leeds and Leicester could have a case though.

[bangkoksaint]

I know there’s a hate of Everton and I was there when Adrian Heath shattered our dreams. However as a resident in the NW I have to say I find the Toffees supporters far more affable than the likes of Liverpool and Utd. Likewise when my son was young we regularly bought tickets in the big stand at Goodison (to save him from our away rabble 😉). We didn’t take the piss and cheer - not that there was much to cheer about - but the fans were great with us and especially him. That all said if they have cheated the system in any way then they deserve all that’s coming to them.

[Pamplemousse]

Apparently Leeds are being investigated for FFP as well

[Toussaint]

Apparently we are being investigated for TSP - total shit play

[Toussaint]

6 hours ago, Dusic said:

The rules should be upheld by the bodies who set them, rather than in this way.

If Everton have broken the rules they should be punished accordingly.

Regardless of what Everton did, Saints and the other clubs deserved to be relegated.

That's the point, they haven't been upheld, hence the group action.

[Crab Lungs]

Not that it’ll happen and not that we personally have much grounds for a case but it’d be fucking wonderful to stuff them up.

[Farmer Saint]

3 hours ago, Toussaint said:

Apparently we are being investigated for TSP - total shit play

We already lost that case. 

[westmidlandsaint]

I get that we were relegated for being shit however it can be argued that we (along with those other clubs) were at a disadvantage from Everton having an unfair advantage through rule breaking. Maybe more so Leeds finishing 3rd bottom.

Yes they should be punished but let's say they have a points deduction next season. This means Luton & Sheffield United could benefit when they weren't the ones disadvantaged not sure that's fair either?

These investigations take much longer than they need to. It does feel that rule breakers are threatened but sanctions aren't followed through. 

[Turkish]

21 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said:

That’s two games out of 36. If their spending was influential in getting them points out of other games then it will have affected us.

Only the home games matter though remember whitey.

[Whitey Grandad]

10 hours ago, Turkish said:

Only the home games matter though remember whitey.

As far as generating income from fans goes.

[Dark Munster]

On 15/06/2023 at 13:08, westmidlandsaint said:

I get that we were relegated for being shit however it can be argued that we (along with those other clubs) were at a disadvantage from Everton having an unfair advantage through rule breaking. Maybe more so Leeds finishing 3rd bottom.

Yes they should be punished but let's say they have a points deduction next season. This means Luton & Sheffield United could benefit when they weren't the ones disadvantaged not sure that's fair either?

These investigations take much longer than they need to. It does feel that rule breakers are threatened but sanctions aren't followed through. 

Actually it was Leicester who finished 18th. And only they have a case against Everton, not Leeds or us.

[chiknsmack]

3 hours ago, Dark Munster said:

Actually it was Leicester who finished 18th. And only they have a case against Everton, not Leeds or us.

If Everton don't break the rules, perhaps we sign Tarkowski. If we sign Tarkowski, perhaps we concede half a dozen fewer goals. If we concede half a dozen fewer goals, perhaps we pick up enough points to stay up. Now do the same with McNeil. Now consider how much Onana added to Everton. Now consider who they'd have had to sell to stay under their FFP limits. And so on.

There are so many knock-on effects from Everton's alleged cheating that you can't cleanly unravel it. We know being in the Prem versus the Championship is worth about $100m per year. So Saints, Leeds, Leicester, Burnley, Norwich, and Watford have been robbed of some part of $100m ($200m in the case of the latter two). We don't know who has been robbed of exactly what (and perhaps Everton would've stayed up both years even without cheating) but you could maybe try to make things right financially.

Making the assumption that Everton have stayed up in the past two season because of their cheating, they've benefited to the tune of $200m over the past two years. So while a $200m fine to be split between the six relegated teams wouldn't fix things, it would help and serve as a deterrent to other teams thinking about cheating.

Relegating Everton to the Championship or League 1 also doesn't fix things, though it again does help and does serve as a deterrent.

Relegating Everton to the National League North AND making them pay Saints/Leeds/Leicester/Burnley $100m each AND pay Norwich & Watford $200m each still wouldn't fix things. There's no clean fix when you can't figure out the degree to which Everton's cheating harmed the other clubs.

[east-stand-nic]

Not a chance in hell of us winning. There is non way the EPL will allow us to win as it will belittle their league. They cannot allow it to be shown clubs have cheated. Most seem to agree with this.

[Whitey Grandad]

4 hours ago, chiknsmack said:

If Everton don't break the rules, perhaps we sign Tarkowski. If we sign Tarkowski, perhaps we concede half a dozen fewer goals. If we concede half a dozen fewer goals, perhaps we pick up enough points to stay up. Now do the same with McNeil. Now consider how much Onana added to Everton. Now consider who they'd have had to sell to stay under their FFP limits. And so on.

There are so many knock-on effects from Everton's alleged cheating that you can't cleanly unravel it. We know being in the Prem versus the Championship is worth about $100m per year. So Saints, Leeds, Leicester, Burnley, Norwich, and Watford have been robbed of some part of $100m ($200m in the case of the latter two). We don't know who has been robbed of exactly what (and perhaps Everton would've stayed up both years even without cheating) but you could maybe try to make things right financially.

Making the assumption that Everton have stayed up in the past two season because of their cheating, they've benefited to the tune of $200m over the past two years. So while a $200m fine to be split between the six relegated teams wouldn't fix things, it would help and serve as a deterrent to other teams thinking about cheating.

Relegating Everton to the Championship or League 1 also doesn't fix things, though it again does help and does serve as a deterrent.

Relegating Everton to the National League North AND making them pay Saints/Leeds/Leicester/Burnley $100m each AND pay Norwich & Watford $200m each still wouldn't fix things. There's no clean fix when you can't figure out the degree to which Everton's cheating harmed the other clubs.

Nothing would fix anything. But it might put the wind up others and act as a deterrence. What is the point of a league if their are not rules that ensure equality?

[Patches O Houlihan]

14 hours ago, chiknsmack said:

Relegating Everton to the National League North AND making them pay Saints/Leeds/Leicester/Burnley $100m each AND pay Norwich & Watford $200m each still wouldn't fix things.

It would be funny though! 😁😁

[angelman]

Shouldn't it be the Premier League that everyone should be annoyed with? They should have taken action against Everton, and not let them get away with it, if indeed they have broken the FFP rules.

[Saint86]

On 15/06/2023 at 00:39, 31cc said:

Everton face threat of multimillion-pound legal bill from quartet over FFP case | Everton | The Guardian

 

If the dugout pioneers lose their FFP case in October, we could team up to sue them. Please please please....   🙂

Surely we'd be suing the league, not Everton?

[Saint86]

On 15/06/2023 at 09:53, Dusic said:

Regardless of what Everton did, Saints and the other clubs deserved to be relegated.

Misses the point entirely though doesn't it. Clubs cheating and overspending year after year raises the costs for other sides to compete with them. So regardless, if it has happened and the league haven't enforced the rules to the detriment of other clubs, there is a case for compensation... and in Everton's case they've smashed the fpp limits over consecutive years - and we may have finished bottom this year, but what about last year?

Now, if they did a chelsea or a Newcastle, what they could have done is got 4 other saudI/Moshiri owned clubs to buy their players at a healthy price / profit and completely circumvent FFP and we wouldn't have had a leg to stand on.... (FFP is basically dead in the water at this point). But they stick within the rules, so it sucks to be everton really, Moshiri only has himself to blame.

Edited 20 June, 2023 by Saint86

[Dusic]

4 minutes ago, Saint86 said:

Misses the point entirely though doesn't it. Clubs cheating and overspending year after year raises the costs for other sides to compete with them. So regardless, if it has happened and the league haven't enforced the rules to the detriment of other clubs, there is a case for compensation... and in Everton's case they've smashed the fpp limits over consecutive years - and we may have finished bottom this year, but what about last year?

Now, if they did a chelsea or a Newcastle, what they could have done is got 4 other saud/Moshiri owned clubs to buy their players at a healthy price / profit and completely circumvent FFP and we wouldn't have had a leg to stand on.... Sucks to be everton really, but Moshiri only has himself to blame.

As said, the league should enforce their rules. Our issue should be directly with the league, not with Everton. 

Its not Saints job to enforce FFP.

[Saint86]

5 minutes ago, Dusic said:

As said, the league should enforce their rules. Our issue should be directly with the league, not with Everton. 

Its not Saints job to enforce FFP.

 We are agreeing 

12 minutes ago, Saint86 said:

Surely we'd be suing the league, not Everton?