Claude Puel Thread #68483

[miserableoldgit]

13 hours ago, Turkish said:

The season we finished 8th and got to a cup final. Wow.

If it was just about results I would stay at home and wait for them to come on the radio/TV. The football was, as someone else said, turgid and I've sat through every mangager from Ted Bates onward. At one point I remember taking my iPod so that I could listen to music during the games.

[OldNick]

Claude Puel helps Southampton forge thrilling new identity | Southampton | The Guardian

Read it and see what others thought of him and as I have said previously, that he did play some good football.

I agree the last games were poor as we couldn't score but if I recall correctly we missed one or 2 pens

 

Edited 15 June, 2023 by OldNick

[Whitey Grandad]

10 hours ago, Turkish said:

And? dont the other 19 games matter?

Not to those with a season ticket, of course not. And away games raise no money for the club.

[maysie]

14 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Not to those with a season ticket, of course not. And away games raise no money for the club.

Weirdo. Go to the theatre or something.

[Whitey Grandad]

7 minutes ago, maysie said:

Weirdo. Go to the theatre or something.

Do you not agree? Away games raise no money for the club. 

[CB Fry]

38 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Not to those with a season ticket, of course not. And away games raise no money for the club.

Getting to a Wembley cup final was a significant boost to the club's coffers so well done to the manager that got us there.

[OldNick]

12 hours ago, CB Fry said:

Getting to a Wembley cup final was a significant boost to the club's coffers so well done to the manager that got us there.

Imagine how we'd still be enjoying that day had the result gone the right way. I still bathe in glory after 76!

And as you say the cup generated a good amount of income.

[Lighthouse]

I think what it ultimately comes down to is what we were predicting we’d get from Puel the following season, rather than what he had achieved the season he’d just managed. It’s all well and good saying he lost VvD and Fonte in the second half of the season but if that’s the future, then you’ve got to live with that. The season ended a little bit Selles, setting up for a 0-0 against sh*te teams, and if we’d carried on like that we’d have struggled every bit as much as we did under MoPe and Hughes the following year.

[badgerx16]

I seem to have missed thread #68482, were there any startling revelations ?

[Miltonaggro]

17 minutes ago, OldNick said:

Imagine how we'd still be enjoying that day had the result gone the right way. I still bathe in glory after 76!

And as you say the cup generated a good amount of income.

Almost a decade of positivity at SFC after that single win. Several regenerations of a side who weren’t scared of anyone. 

[Ex Lion Tamer]

21 hours ago, OldNick said:

Claude Puel helps Southampton forge thrilling new identity | Southampton | The Guardian

Read it and see what others thought of him and as I have said previously, that he did play some good football.

I agree the last games were poor as we couldn't score but if I recall correctly we missed one or 2 pens

 

Here's what Nice fans thought when he took them to a 17th place finish (yes they rebounded the following season):

Nice manager Claude Puel and players attacked by fans after training

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/may/15/nice-claude-puel-attacked-supporters-training

Leicester fans:

Leicester City fans celebrate Claude Puel’s sacking

https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/leicester-city-fans-celebrate-claude-2578216

St Etienne fans:

Saint-Etienne ultras throw flares onto pitch, riot police guard changing rooms as fans demand Claude Puel sacked and delay Angers clash

https://talksport.com/football/967677/saint-etienne-ultras-flares-riot-police-angers-delayed-claude-puel/

Edited 16 June, 2023 by Ex Lion Tamer

[LuckyNumber7]

19 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

 The season ended a little bit Selles, setting up for a 0-0 against sh*te teams

It was like that all season at home especially, evidenced by the fact we only scored a pathetic 17 goals at home. Even in the abomination of a season just gone we managed more than that. Also despite losing VVD in the second half of the season people seem to forget that we brought in Caceres who was a reputable international CB that even post Saints has had a successful career in Serie A. Yet Puel inexplicably played him just once, choosing Stephens instead.

The cup run was undoubtedly good but the league campaign was largely turgid, depressing shite. Finishing 8th with an unusually low points tally papered over a lot of cracks.

[Dark Munster]

6 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

As per most Premier League fans, WHU fans are a bunch of entitled pricks. Same as the Palace lot.

Not entirely sure what they expect from their club. They're not in a relegation battle, and are in and around the Europe spots after winning a European trophy last year. They've lost a few on the bounce, as every team in the PL is at risk of doing. They need to wind their necks in, they're not as 'big' as they like to believe - a pretty middling also-ran PL club, same as everyone else out side of the top 6. Take what success you can get, but if you think the grass is greener as you want 'more' then there are lots of examples to suggest that they're totally misguided.

And the same as many of our fans calling for Puel's head after we finished 8th and got to a Cup final (unlucky in the final, and beating PL clubs on the way, including Liverpool twice).

[SaintTex]

14 minutes ago, Dark Munster said:

And the same as many of our fans calling for Puel's head after we finished 8th and got to a Cup final (unlucky in the final, and beating PL clubs on the way, including Liverpool twice).

Puel has gone to prove he was never going to be the answer. His winning percentage has gotten worse for each new club who has hired him since Lyon.

Lyon	18 June 2008	20 June 2011	156	76	44	36	48.72
Nice	23 May 2012	24 May 2016	169	69	38	62	40.83
Southampton	30 June 2016	14 June 2017	53	20	13	20	37.74
Leicester City	25 October 2017	24 February 2019	67	23	18	26	34.33
Saint-Étienne	4 October 2019	5 December 2021	88	26	23	39	29.55

[Ted Bates Statue]

1 hour ago, SaintTex said:

Puel has gone to prove he was never going to be the answer. His winning percentage has gotten worse for each new club who has hired him since Lyon.

Lyon	18 June 2008	20 June 2011	156	76	44	36	48.72
Nice	23 May 2012	24 May 2016	169	69	38	62	40.83
Southampton	30 June 2016	14 June 2017	53	20	13	20	37.74
Leicester City	25 October 2017	24 February 2019	67	23	18	26	34.33
Saint-Étienne	4 October 2019	5 December 2021	88	26	23	39	29.55

Fair point although in our case the answers were Pellegrino, Hughes, Hasenhuttl and a couple of others. With hindsight, I would have taken Puel over nearly all of them. 

I do agree with you though - Leicester managed to win trophies either side of his tenure. Says it all really.

Edited February 20 by Ted Bates Statue

[Dark Munster]

5 hours ago, SaintTex said:

Puel has gone to prove he was never going to be the answer. His winning percentage has gotten worse for each new club who has hired him since Lyon.

Lyon	18 June 2008	20 June 2011	156	76	44	36	48.72
Nice	23 May 2012	24 May 2016	169	69	38	62	40.83
Southampton	30 June 2016	14 June 2017	53	20	13	20	37.74
Leicester City	25 October 2017	24 February 2019	67	23	18	26	34.33
Saint-Étienne	4 October 2019	5 December 2021	88	26	23	39	29.55

Lots of managers do well at one club and stink elsewhere, it doesn't diminish what they did earlier. What has Adkins done since he left us, or Ronald Koeman? Even the much lauded Poch has been sacked twice, and is on borrowed time at Chelsea.

I'm not saying Puel would be with us as long as Laurie Mac, but he was hounded out too soon. We've had plenty of discussions of how he had to cope with a much weaker squad than RK had the season before. But let's not start that again.

[Saint_clark]

1 minute ago, Dark Munster said:

Lots of managers do well at one club and stink elsewhere, it doesn't diminish what they did earlier. What has Adkins done since he left us, or Ronald Koeman? Even the much lauded Poch has been sacked twice, and is on borrowed time at Chelsea.

I'm not saying Puel would be with us as long as Laurie Mac, but he was hounded out too soon. We've had plenty of discussions of how he had to cope with a much weaker squad than RK had the season before. But let's not start that again.

With a squad that was never going to go down his prioritising the league over getting out of the Europa League group and into the knockout stages for the first time in our history was a travesty. 

In fairness he probably has Vardy to blame for him losing his job as if we still had Van Dijk fit second half of the season I'm certain that we would have beaten United to win the league cup and probably qualified for the Europa League again. 

[Whitey Grandad]

5 hours ago, Saint_clark said:

With a squad that was never going to go down his prioritising the league over getting out of the Europa League group and into the knockout stages for the first time in our history was a travesty. 

In fairness he probably has Vardy to blame for him losing his job as if we still had Van Dijk fit second half of the season I'm certain that we would have beaten United to win the league cup and probably qualified for the Europa League again. 

And Jose Fonte. Imagine him playing at Wembley instead of Stephens 

[Lord Duckhunter]

3 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said:

And Jose Fonte. Imagine him playing at Wembley instead of Stephens 

The Jose Fonte who turned up at West Ham, no thanks..

[Lighthouse]

9 hours ago, Saint_clark said:

In fairness he probably has Vardy to blame for him losing his job as if we still had Van Dijk fit second half of the season I'm certain that we would have beaten United to win the league cup and probably qualified for the Europa League again. 

If you need the best defender in the world in order to keep your job then you probably aren’t a very good manager. More to the point, we played United earlier in the season, with Fonte and Virgil, and lost very comfortably 2-0. I’ve no idea where this idea of being ‘certain’ we’d have won the Cup comes from but it isn’t true and even with those two defenders, United would have been massive favourites.

Whoever our manager was would’ve needed to cope with life after VvD/JF so if Puel couldn’t handle that then there was no point in keeping him.

[Whitey Grandad]

51 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

The Jose Fonte who turned up at West Ham, no thanks..

Constructive dismissal.

[Saint86]

Oh joy, a puel thread. Needless to say, dire football under Puel. Had to go. And outside of Selles and Jones hes by far the worst manager we had in our second prem stint.

[Dark Munster]

1 hour ago, Lighthouse said:

If you need the best defender in the world in order to keep your job then you probably aren’t a very good manager. More to the point, we played United earlier in the season, with Fonte and Virgil, and lost very comfortably 2-0. I’ve no idea where this idea of being ‘certain’ we’d have won the Cup comes from but it isn’t true and even with those two defenders, United would have been massive favourites.

Whoever our manager was would’ve needed to cope with life after VvD/JF so if Puel couldn’t handle that then there was no point in keeping him.

Did you watch the final? We tore into them and were unlucky to lose. The earlier league match was irrelevant. 

[The Kraken]

1 minute ago, Saint86 said:

Oh joy, a puel thread. Needless to say, dire football under Puel. Had to go. And outside of Selles and Jones hes by far the worst manager we had in our second prem stint.

He clearly was not worse than Pellegrino or Hughes.

[Whitey Grandad]

7 minutes ago, Dark Munster said:

Did you watch the final? We tore into them and were unlucky to lose. The earlier league match was irrelevant. 

Unlucky? We let in three goals FFS

[Whitey Grandad]

6 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

He clearly was not worse than Pellegrino or Hughes.

Close

[Lighthouse]

7 minutes ago, Dark Munster said:

Did you watch the final? We tore into them and were unlucky to lose. The earlier league match was irrelevant. 

It would have been a completely different game, you can’t just say we’d have definitely won, it’s nonsense. Fonte and Virgil played together under Puel in defeats against United, Chelsea, Arsenal and even the mighty Hull City, amongst several others. They were by no means infallible.

[CB Fry]

1 hour ago, Dark Munster said:

Did you watch the final? We tore into them and were unlucky to lose. The earlier league match was irrelevant. 

I don't think you can dismiss anything as "irrelevant" when all you are doing is making up the result of a non-existant football match that never happened and you are just playing out in your own mind.

Edited February 20 by CB Fry

[Dark Munster]

54 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

It would have been a completely different game, you can’t just say we’d have definitely won, it’s nonsense. Fonte and Virgil played together under Puel in defeats against United, Chelsea, Arsenal and even the mighty Hull City, amongst several others. They were by no means infallible.

I’m not saying we would definitely have won. But there’s a good chance we would have if we had Fonte and VVD in place of Yoshi and Stephens. Plus not having a blind linesman 

[Dark Munster]

1 hour ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Unlucky? We let in three goals FFS

We also scored 3 perfectly good goals. 

[stknowle]

2 hours ago, The Kraken said:

He clearly was not worse than Pellegrino or Hughes.

100%. 

That said winning a best manager competition when the opposition is those 2 (plus Jones & Selles) is somewhat Pyrrhic.

[Whitey Grandad]

6 hours ago, Dark Munster said:

We also scored 3 perfectly good goals. 

No we didn’t. 
 

Bertrand was miles offside.

[Dark Munster]

1 hour ago, Whitey Grandad said:

No we didn’t. 
 

Bertrand was miles offside.

And not interfering with play. Many would agree with that:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2017/feb/26/manolo-gabbiadini-southampton-manchester-united-efl-cup-final#:~:text=The early offside left a,not interfering with the play.

Quote

 

The early offside left a bitter taste because it was plainly the wrong decision.

Yes, Ryan Bertrand had been in an offside position when Gabbiadini tapped home from Cédric Soares’s cross but he was beyond his team-mate when he scored and, as such, was not interfering with the play.

 

 

[Whitey Grandad]

7 hours ago, Dark Munster said:

And not interfering with play. Many would agree with that:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2017/feb/26/manolo-gabbiadini-southampton-manchester-united-efl-cup-final#:~:text=The early offside left a,not interfering with the play.

 

Probably not but it is a matter of opinion and hence subjective. There was a time when he would have been flagged offside and that would have been the end of the matter. (If only!)