Winnersaint Posted 12 July, 2023 Share Posted 12 July, 2023 57 minutes ago, Saint_John said: Same old problems that we saw last season under Selles. High risk passing out from the back when half the receiving players DON'T WANT the ball. No movement from the forwards (standing still next to the defenders until the ball comes near them). Defenders marking ZONES not the opposition players. No tracking of runs from the midfield. IMO Martin will be gone by Xmas if he carries on with Selles system Troll or complete dick? 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolan Posted 12 July, 2023 Share Posted 12 July, 2023 1 hour ago, trousers said: So, notable players not involved today... Perraud Larios Bednarek Bella-Kotchap Aribo S. Armstrong Sulemana Edozie Diallo Tella Ballard Onuachu Anything to read into any of those omissions or just down to international duty and/or fitness? We've not seen Larios or Perraud in training, just in the gym. Until we see who is going out to Turkey, I'd imagine who we left out was more to do with giving some of the U23s a run out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 12 July, 2023 Share Posted 12 July, 2023 25 minutes ago, Boris Karloff said: I don't think Mara is going to survive this system. I think there's probably a player there if he's running on to through balls or cut backs. But he doesn't look comfortable with his back to goal and it looks like our build up is going to be so slow this year that he would have to play this way. Same with A Armstrong, he's no good with his back to goal. Adams is a little more so. Very good point about needing a striker that can play with his back to goal - like Che. AA can't do that. Not sure about Mara. He likes to drop deep, so it might work. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gammon cheeks Posted 12 July, 2023 Share Posted 12 July, 2023 28 minutes ago, Boris Karloff said: I don't think Mara is going to survive this system. I think there's probably a player there if he's running on to through balls or cut backs. But he doesn't look comfortable with his back to goal and it looks like our build up is going to be so slow this year that he would have to play this way. Same with A Armstrong, he's no good with his back to goal. Adams is a little more so. Mara is crap! Get rid 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 12 July, 2023 Share Posted 12 July, 2023 Did we have a shot on target? 🤷🏻♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 12 July, 2023 Share Posted 12 July, 2023 42 minutes ago, CB Fry said: Russell Martin has had a fair crack of the whip. It's not working out so he should just fuck off now. Is it too late to get Selles back? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 12 July, 2023 Share Posted 12 July, 2023 1 hour ago, Luke SkyWalker-Peters said: Helps draw out the opposition press to allow easier passing through it. Brighton's great season and England's U21 Euro winning tournament was built around Levi Colwill doing this. Bloody Hell!! I really am getting old!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ribtickler Posted 12 July, 2023 Share Posted 12 July, 2023 one friendly doesn’t define a season, it’s like a shag, first one is poor and you improve with time. that’s all I will say on the matter 1 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 12 July, 2023 Share Posted 12 July, 2023 27 minutes ago, Ribtickler said: one friendly doesn’t define a season, it’s like a shag, first one is poor and you improve with time. that’s all I will say on the matter Surprised you allowed back to the petting zoo a second time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toussaint Posted 12 July, 2023 Share Posted 12 July, 2023 33 minutes ago, Ribtickler said: one friendly doesn’t define a season, it’s like a shag, first one is poor and you improve with time. that’s all I will say on the matter If “improving” means getting faster, the passage of time has made me world class! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefizzy14 Posted 12 July, 2023 Share Posted 12 July, 2023 It was our first friendly of the summer. All about the fitness levels at this stage. Next step is the game in Turkey. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 12 July, 2023 Share Posted 12 July, 2023 3 hours ago, OttawaSaint said: I just want clarification on what the benefit of short passing in our own penalty area is. Well, when we went longer the ball came straight back. General observations: there was a definite pattern to our play and a fair bit of courage on the ball both in midfield and defence, although the latter may cause me to up my blood pressure tablets later in the season. Stephens and Lyanco look like an accident waiting to happen, although the goals didn't come from their mistakes, and at times they were very cool. Bree looks at a lower level still. Meghoma I hadn't seen before but was impressed, and Kid AA showed no fear and will be a greater asset than Djenepo given a little more experience. Dibling looks a bit gauche and awkward, but another youngster with growing to do - a touch of the Sam Gallaghers. Smallbone looks like a bigger asset than Elyounoussi; he actually gets to the ball ahead of opponents and can tackle. It was interesting to see Livramento drift into the middle: quite a number here have thought he might do better further forward. For a first run out against such quality opposition I was happy enough, a good learning experience. Still no real penetration in the final third and you can see how we'll miss Lavia, but there is a nucleus of a decent side there and two new arrivals this week as well. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintsFan86 Posted 12 July, 2023 Share Posted 12 July, 2023 It's quite funny how so many of you actually expect us to go and dominate Portuguese champions and consistent champions league participants. We played alot youth and fringe players. I have to say I was impressed early on, there was alot to like. My biggest concern and I imagine its Russell's too is getting In CBs who are comfortable with the ball at there feet. I'm sure this will be remedied. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 12 July, 2023 Share Posted 12 July, 2023 2 hours ago, Nolan said: We've not seen Larios or Perraud in training, just in the gym. Until we see who is going out to Turkey, I'd imagine who we left out was more to do with giving some of the U23s a run out. Thought Perraud was injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintsFan86 Posted 12 July, 2023 Share Posted 12 July, 2023 4 minutes ago, VectisSaint said: Thought Perraud was injured. Can still do gymwork, Just have to do things that won't aggravate his injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint Posted 12 July, 2023 Share Posted 12 July, 2023 4 hours ago, trousers said: The day I'll get worried is when the Saintsweb intelligentsia stop judging our season prospects after 45 minutes of pre-season... Just to pick one comment from "Saintsweb intelligentsia" in last season's pre-season friendlies courtesy of S-Clarke: " So, two pre-season games and sadly we still face similar troubles as we did in the real games. To put it bluntly, we lack quality and any sort of top flight ability in the attack." And there's lot of other comments that proved sadly accurate... Pre-seasons indicate our style of play for the coming season, so I hope we're not going to fanny about passing the ball sideways at the back looking to pull the opponents out of position all season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 12 July, 2023 Share Posted 12 July, 2023 4 minutes ago, OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint said: Just to pick one comment from "Saintsweb intelligentsia" in last season's pre-season friendlies courtesy of S-Clarke: " So, two pre-season games and sadly we still face similar troubles as we did in the real games. To put it bluntly, we lack quality and any sort of top flight ability in the attack." And there's lot of other comments that proved sadly accurate... Pre-seasons indicate our style of play for the coming season, so I hope we're not going to fanny about passing the ball sideways at the back looking to pull the opponents out of position all season. The thing is, last pre-season is massively different to this pre-season. Last time round we had a known manager who had been with us for a few years and who had just overseen a shockingly shit run in to the previous season, 5 points from 12 games. It was obvious there were problems with the coaching team as some had been binned off and Ralph had been forced to hire Selles. And we started playing a completely different formation to Ralph’s 4-2-2-2, we went with 5 at the back and it genuinely looked dreadful. The whole pre-season looked off from the start, it was quite clear early on that we were up against it. This pre-season sees a new manager who has a massively bloated squad, many of whose will likely leave the club. He’s had two weeks here. And he’s played a bunch of teenagers who have barely seen the first team before today. I’m only talking for myself, but I’m going to be a bit more patient than I would have been at this stage last season, as it’s not a fair comparison. 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarvSFC Posted 12 July, 2023 Share Posted 12 July, 2023 Only seen the highlights, but Amo-Ameyaw looked good against very good opposition. The Championship could offer him the chance to be the breakout player from the youth system next season. Certainly doesn't lack confidence, or technical ability. Saw Caleta-Car finished the match as captain. Didn't expect him to be that high up the hierarchy, instead thought he'd be one of the first out the door this summer. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintsFan86 Posted 12 July, 2023 Share Posted 12 July, 2023 1 hour ago, HarvSFC said: Only seen the highlights, but Amo-Ameyaw looked good against very good opposition. The Championship could offer him the chance to be the breakout player from the youth system next season. Certainly doesn't lack confidence, or technical ability. Saw Caleta-Car finished the match as captain. Didn't expect him to be that high up the hierarchy, instead thought he'd be one of the first out the door this summer. Of the defenders, I thought dCC the most competent ball playing defender too. It could be his redemption arc. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 12 July, 2023 Share Posted 12 July, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint said: Just to pick one comment from "Saintsweb intelligentsia" in last season's pre-season friendlies courtesy of S-Clarke: " So, two pre-season games and sadly we still face similar troubles as we did in the real games. To put it bluntly, we lack quality and any sort of top flight ability in the attack." And there's lot of other comments that proved sadly accurate... Pre-seasons indicate our style of play for the coming season, so I hope we're not going to fanny about passing the ball sideways at the back looking to pull the opponents out of position all season. Yes and then there's been other pre season games where we have spaffed all over a team and dicked them and you have everyone jizzing themselves (I mean look at the ott reaction to Aribo last year) and then it has no bearing on how we've performed over a season. The reality that preseason performance often have very little bearing on how a season goes, what you want to see is signs that the players are learning the system, showing bravery and putting some touches and movement together and I think we got the beginnings of that. Let's not forget that most of these players won't be playing alongside the players they were playing with today so it's less about a team performance at this stage and more about how individuals that we think are going to be here are coping. Edited 12 July, 2023 by hypochondriac 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 12 July, 2023 Share Posted 12 July, 2023 22 minutes ago, SaintsFan86 said: Of the defenders, I thought dCC the most competent ball playing defender too. It could be his redemption arc. He could genuinely be decent this year if he stays alongside a new face. I'd prefer him to Salisu or Bednarek (and I assume ABK is off.) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintTex Posted 12 July, 2023 Share Posted 12 July, 2023 18 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: Yes and then there's been other pre season games where we have spaffed all over a team and dicked them and you have everyone jizzing themselves (I mean look at the ott reaction to Aribo last year) and then it has no bearing on how we've performed over a season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintsFan86 Posted 13 July, 2023 Share Posted 13 July, 2023 Did anyone spot Tella at all in pitchside unseen? I saw a kiddie with a white cap on, But I thought that was Sulemana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpin4rizeal Posted 13 July, 2023 Share Posted 13 July, 2023 (edited) No tella is worrying ..really hope we put our foot down and keep him ..proven 20 goal scorer who can play in numerous positions up top .. could be a key part for us .. the 15-20 m doesn’t seem worth losing him for Edited 13 July, 2023 by pimpin4rizeal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richardc Posted 13 July, 2023 Share Posted 13 July, 2023 Tella was at Stansted airport this morning with the rest of the squad 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 13 July, 2023 Share Posted 13 July, 2023 9 minutes ago, richardc said: Tella was at Stansted airport this morning with the rest of the squad Was JWP there? And if so, does he have permission from his Mrs to leave the house? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richardc Posted 13 July, 2023 Share Posted 13 July, 2023 Yeah he was - not sure about permission thou 17 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said: Was JWP there? And if so, does he have permission from his Mrs to leave the house? 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuckyNumber7 Posted 13 July, 2023 Share Posted 13 July, 2023 Goztepe game has been moved due to the heat. https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/23653255.southamptons-friendly-goztepe-moved-open-training-cancelled/#comments-anchor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted 13 July, 2023 Share Posted 13 July, 2023 2 minutes ago, LuckyNumber7 said: Goztepe game has been moved due to the heat. https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/23653255.southamptons-friendly-goztepe-moved-open-training-cancelled/#comments-anchor Assuming that heat is coming from the players that we have that really cook. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mystic Force Posted 13 July, 2023 Share Posted 13 July, 2023 I didn't see the game, so if what i read here is representative I am concerned. Because CB who had a hard time getting passes to connect with their targets when not under pressure in a walking pace friendly, in a system that demands it are really going to be in trouble when someone actually wants the ball off you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 13 July, 2023 Share Posted 13 July, 2023 Fairplay to the fans over in turkey, i have just seen its like a 5hr bus journey. Hope it has aircon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sfcphilc Posted 13 July, 2023 Share Posted 13 July, 2023 A tad annoyed about the game being moved at such short notice to a third division sides ground that resembles an athletics stadium! Still looking forward to going over, 5 star all inclusive hotel for 3 nights isn't too shabby. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patches O Houlihan Posted 13 July, 2023 Share Posted 13 July, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, OttawaSaint said: Assuming that heat is coming from the players that we have that really cook. Edited 13 July, 2023 by Patches O Houlihan 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpsaint Posted 13 July, 2023 Share Posted 13 July, 2023 1 hour ago, Mystic Force said: I didn't see the game, so if what i read here is representative I am concerned. Because CB who had a hard time getting passes to connect with their targets when not under pressure in a walking pace friendly, in a system that demands it are really going to be in trouble when someone actually wants the ball off you. The new venue looks alright to be fair, we’ll play at much worse in the cup over here. Might pop over and get my hair done whilst I’m there 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 13 July, 2023 Share Posted 13 July, 2023 1 hour ago, Sfcphilc said: A tad annoyed about the game being moved at such short notice to a third division sides ground that resembles an athletics stadium! Still looking forward to going over, 5 star all inclusive hotel for 3 nights isn't too shabby. Fairplay, only been to Istanbul a few times and like Greece turkey is pretty cheap so good to see you flash packing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 13 July, 2023 Share Posted 13 July, 2023 2 minutes ago, bpsaint said: The new venue looks alright to be fair, we’ll play at much worse in the cup over here. Might pop over and get my hair done whilst I’m there 😂 Code for penis enlargement 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chocolate Box Posted 13 July, 2023 Share Posted 13 July, 2023 Is there a list of the squad gone to Turkey anywhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Curse of St Mary's Posted 13 July, 2023 Share Posted 13 July, 2023 2 hours ago, Convict Colony said: Fairplay to the fans over in turkey, i have just seen its like a 5hr bus journey. Hope it has aircon. It's less than 30 minutes according to saints OS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefizzy14 Posted 13 July, 2023 Share Posted 13 July, 2023 5 minutes ago, Chocolate Box said: Is there a list of the squad gone to Turkey anywhere? Thats what I was just about to ask 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northam soul Posted 13 July, 2023 Share Posted 13 July, 2023 Strange that Che has been in most pre season photos and game but no sign of Stu Armstrong. As they both played for the same international side it can’t be that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M271 Posted 13 July, 2023 Share Posted 13 July, 2023 25 minutes ago, northam soul said: Strange that Che has been in most pre season photos and game but no sign of Stu Armstrong. As they both played for the same international side it can’t be that. I seem to remember that Adam’s was injured and didn’t play but Stu did. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 13 July, 2023 Share Posted 13 July, 2023 4 hours ago, richardc said: Yeah he was - not sure about permission thou The Eagle eyed amongst you will notice that this pic is back to front. Wonder if the AI image software was programmed incorrectly? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusic Posted 13 July, 2023 Share Posted 13 July, 2023 23 minutes ago, M271 said: I seem to remember that Adam’s was injured and didn’t play but Stu did. I think its probably time for Stu to move on. Has been decent value but hasn't been at his top level for near on 2 years now and is probably the least suited to Sat/Tues/Sat of anyone in our squad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richardc Posted 13 July, 2023 Share Posted 13 July, 2023 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Charlie Wayman said: The Eagle eyed amongst you will notice that this pic is back to front. Wonder if the AI image software was programmed incorrectly? You need to check out how selfies work when you turn camera around - you'll spot some curly hair next to him which is my son's so I edited it as I didnt want you letching after him - check out the image on the other thread with JWP and Tella in the queue - same tshirt with his jumper off Edited 13 July, 2023 by richardc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 13 July, 2023 Share Posted 13 July, 2023 Hurrah, the friendly is being broadcast online.. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted 13 July, 2023 Author Share Posted 13 July, 2023 11 minutes ago, suewhistle said: Hurrah, the friendly is being broadcast online.. As are all the friendlies this year for once. No 3pm Championship kick offs to stop the last friendly of the summer being streamed for once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpsaint Posted 13 July, 2023 Share Posted 13 July, 2023 5 hours ago, Convict Colony said: Code for penis enlargement 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 14 July, 2023 Share Posted 14 July, 2023 12 hours ago, The Curse of St Mary's said: It's less than 30 minutes according to saints OS Your right i got the wrong stadium - thank fuck for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Curse of St Mary's Posted 14 July, 2023 Share Posted 14 July, 2023 Ballard injured apparently. Tall Paul not travelled so could be nearing move away. Doesn't seem like Edozie is there either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wurzel Posted 14 July, 2023 Share Posted 14 July, 2023 39 minutes ago, The Curse of St Mary's said: Ballard injured apparently. Tall Paul not travelled so could be nearing move away. Doesn't seem like Edozie is there either. Strange order to list them . If that's our starting line up in formation then RM is really shaking things up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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