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1 hour ago, Whitey Grandad said:

No. It’s not either one extreme or the other. For possession football to work it requires constant movement all over the pitch and it needs to be done with pace and purpose. Not just moving it across the back just for the sake of it. 

YES. Huge improvement required, one moment in the first half McCarthy with the ball at his feet and not one player moving for it 

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1 minute ago, skintsaint said:

Looks a clean tackle to me. Meaty one though for a pre season friendly.

They were a very dirty side, lots of trips and cynical fouls, realised early on the ref wasn't going to bother booking any so just carried on doing it. 

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2 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said:

No. It’s not either one extreme or the other. For possession football to work it requires constant movement all over the pitch and it needs to be done with pace and purpose. Not just moving it across the back just for the sake of it. 

Im not convinced you can really comment a ton about our possession based system with the team we out out last night, it was heavily rotated due to the amount if friendlies we have AND unfortunately McCarthy continues tk be completely incompetent with the ball at his feet

I think its a system that could work, especially in the Championship where we’d expect to play against a majority of opponents that will primarily look to stifle us and sit deep.. you cannot really play our high press anymore, not in any major capacity because we’ll likely be too dominant in possession

I suppose we’ll see but Im optimistic, overall we’ve looked pretty good.. defensive transition is where its breaking down, we need to get better at that and quickly

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1 hour ago, Smirking_Saint said:

Im not convinced you can really comment a ton about our possession based system with the team we out out last night, it was heavily rotated due to the amount if friendlies we have AND unfortunately McCarthy continues tk be completely incompetent with the ball at his feet

I think its a system that could work, especially in the Championship where we’d expect to play against a majority of opponents that will primarily look to stifle us and sit deep.. you cannot really play our high press anymore, not in any major capacity because we’ll likely be too dominant in possession

I suppose we’ll see but Im optimistic, overall we’ve looked pretty good.. defensive transition is where its breaking down, we need to get better at that and quickly

You don't learn defensive transition quickly unless you are training very good players. We are not so it is going to be high risk and I'm not convinced the players at our disposal will ever get to grips with it. My view is that we'll likely lose a lot of games trying to master this system so how long will fans patience last is the big question. 

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I thought it was a very good showing from us last night. Obviously there are things that we need to improve on but I thought we played some outstanding football at times. Smallbone was outstanding, controlling the midfield when he came on. The two new signings - Shea Charles and Manning looked good, combined brilliantly for Shea's header :) Stuart Armstrong is just pure class and lovely finish from him, great to see him back :) McCarthy made a few good stops but his decision making and distribution are not great. He was at fault for the first goal. Bazanu for me is our number one unless we decide to bring in a new GK.

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Golac's Cunning Stunts

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4 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said:

No. It’s not either one extreme or the other. For possession football to work it requires constant movement all over the pitch and it needs to be done with pace and purpose. Not just moving it across the back just for the sake of it. 

Agreed. It's like watching England teams of old trying to play the "continental" way - keep possession of the ball etc. In reality that just meant pass it sideways and backwards with all us fans thinking jeez just boot it before you lose it 🙂

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1 hour ago, saintant said:

You don't learn defensive transition quickly unless you are training very good players. We are not so it is going to be high risk and I'm not convinced the players at our disposal will ever get to grips with it. My view is that we'll likely lose a lot of games trying to master this system so how long will fans patience last is the big question. 

Ive not seen enough of Charles in a 3 man midfield yet, not enough of him at 6 to form a strong opinion

My overall issue is, certainly Stephens and to a lesser extent Bednarek are more reactive defensively then proactive, and they’ll need to be more of the latter to help stiffle transitions

Lavia was very good at it, lets hope Charles is… unfortunately if we end up playing Smallbone at 6 then the risk increases imo… great tidy player on the ball, but not defensively aware enough

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1 hour ago, Smirking_Saint said:

Ive not seen enough of Charles in a 3 man midfield yet, not enough of him at 6 to form a strong opinion

My overall issue is, certainly Stephens and to a lesser extent Bednarek are more reactive defensively then proactive, and they’ll need to be more of the latter to help stiffle transitions

Lavia was very good at it, lets hope Charles is… unfortunately if we end up playing Smallbone at 6 then the risk increases imo… great tidy player on the ball, but not defensively aware enough

Charles, if anything, looks stronger than Lavia, and very comfortable on the ball. I wasn't confident when we signed him due to his lack of experience, but I think he'll do well. He'll need some experience alongside him though, and assuming JWP moves on, I wouldn't be surprised to see Manning in there plus one of Smallbone or Alcaraz. 

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11 minutes ago, egg said:

Charles, if anything, looks stronger than Lavia, and very comfortable on the ball. I wasn't confident when we signed him due to his lack of experience, but I think he'll do well. He'll need some experience alongside him though, and assuming JWP moves on, I wouldn't be surprised to see Manning in there plus one of Smallbone or Alcaraz. 

Being good on the ball has aided him as a CB as well, he is able to move it very quickly and in tight situations. I'd be happy for him to be the like-for-like Lavia replacement - but like you say, we need some experience. I like Smallbone and I think he's stepped up a few levels, but I'd still look for some experience to compliment them both (and Charly).

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7 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

Being good on the ball has aided him as a CB as well, he is able to move it very quickly and in tight situations. I'd be happy for him to be the like-for-like Lavia replacement - but like you say, we need some experience. I like Smallbone and I think he's stepped up a few levels, but I'd still look for some experience to compliment them both (and Charly).

Grimes?

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1 minute ago, Streaky said:

Grimes?

I don't see us dealing with Swansea if I'm honest, think relationships are a bit fractured there! Grimes is a sensible shout though given his experience and leadership abilities, two attributes that we need - not even counting his ability on the ball. I just think it'll be too difficult.

If JWP goes to WHU I'm fairly sure we'll get Downes, although I wouldn't say he's massively experienced himself.

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1 hour ago, S-Clarke said:

If JWP goes to WHU I'm fairly sure we'll get Downes, although I wouldn't say he's massively experienced himself.

From what I've seen of Downes, he seems like a slightly worse version of what we have seen of Smallbone this preseason. In terms of experience, he has one extra year of Championship experience.

I'd be pushing for Grimes, or a player of similar quality and experience. Smallbone has made Downes redundant in my opinion.

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On 26/07/2023 at 12:07, JCBSaint said:

Playing around at the back and going across our own 6 yard box invites pressure and leads to goals against us…. Mmmm  . Why don’t we ditch that , just a thought. 

We were warned about this being Martin's style of play. It annoys the shit out of me that we seem to consistently hire managers who lack the flexibility to have more than one style of play. What happened to assessing the strengths and weaknesses of your players and adopting a system that suits what you've already got, rather than buying in players who play 'your way'? Granted, I'm not sure what some of our players strengths are, but forcing poor ball players to play out from the back is asking for trouble and inviting pressure.

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27 minutes ago, Saint Matty 76 said:

Sulemana(?), S. Armstrong, Mara, Aribo, Bednarek and DCC all out Saturday.

Squad the same other than that outside of JWP being back.

That’s quite the injury list already. So what does that give us for a side? I’m guessing it might be:

Bazunu

Livramento  -  Stephens  -  Lyanco  -  Manning

JWP  -  Charles

Tella  -  Alcaraz  -  Edozie

AArmstrong

Salisu would obviously be a better choice than Lyanco but I get the feeling the club are preparing for him not being here, same for Lavia though he’ll likely get minutes. Also the Edozie spot is between him, Djenepo and Amo Ameyaw. Always an option for Manning to go in the middle and KWP on the left, depends what the line is with JWP. Definitely think Charles needs some game time at CM though.

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13 minutes ago, Convict Colony said:

Is the game tomorrow actually a stream ? checked the website twice and don't see an option to pay for it ?

https://www.southamptonfc.com/en/match/southampton-vs-az-alkmaar-pre-season-friendly-2023-07-29?utm_source=dotmailer&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=3301718_PRE - AZ Alkmaar 28%2F07%2F23&utm_content=CTA Button - Buy Video Pass&dm_i=2HKL,1YRME,85YOQK,6YCHD,1

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After Tuesday, I'm more than happy to pay the fiver. I really enjoyed the coverage and Hammond's commentary - He really should have been given Dave Merrington's old job. Tessem is a nice guy and everything and clearly still loves the club but he's got such a boring voice, regularly gets simple things wrong (like saying it was the first time Saints had ever had three managers in a season...Not only is it not but he actually played in the last season that it happened!) and generally doesn't add much to the listen. Adam Blackmore essentially has to act as both colour AND play-by-play commentators.

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20 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

That’s quite the injury list already. So what does that give us for a side? I’m guessing it might be:

Bazunu

Livramento  -  Stephens  -  Lyanco  -  Manning

JWP  -  Charles

Tella  -  Alcaraz  -  Edozie

AArmstrong

Salisu would obviously be a better choice than Lyanco but I get the feeling the club are preparing for him not being here, same for Lavia though he’ll likely get minutes. Also the Edozie spot is between him, Djenepo and Amo Ameyaw. Always an option for Manning to go in the middle and KWP on the left, depends what the line is with JWP. Definitely think Charles needs some game time at CM though.

I think Smallbone will start but other than that I'd imagine you're spot on. Do agree that it'd be nice to see Charles get some proper minutes in midfield.

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Convict Colony

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13 minutes ago, CamSaint said:

https://www.southamptonfc.com/en/match/southampton-vs-az-alkmaar-pre-season-friendly-2023-07-29?utm_source=dotmailer&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=3301718_PRE - AZ Alkmaar 28%2F07%2F23&utm_content=CTA Button - Buy Video Pass&dm_i=2HKL,1YRME,85YOQK,6YCHD,1

cheers wing commander but i dont see any stream options just tickets or hospitality - will check again tomorrow.

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8 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said:

After Tuesday, I'm more than happy to pay the fiver. I really enjoyed the coverage and Hammond's commentary - He really should have been given Dave Merrington's old job. Tessem is a nice guy and everything and clearly still loves the club but he's got such a boring voice, regularly gets simple things wrong (like saying it was the first time Saints had ever had three managers in a season...Not only is it not but he actually played in the last season that it happened!) and generally doesn't add much to the listen. Adam Blackmore essentially has to act as both colour AND play-by-play commentators.

Have already asked hammond to commentate on any porn video i star in.

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3 minutes ago, Convict Colony said:

Have already asked hammond to commentate on any porn video i star in.

He would be INCREDIBLE at that. His voice would be somehow more suited to porn than football. And his voice IS pretty suited to football

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Convict Colony

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18 hours ago, Convict Colony said:

Is the game tomorrow actually a stream ? checked the website twice and don't see an option to pay for it ?

Found out the reason it's cos I'm in the land of clog wearers and cheese, will do a VPN instead.

Am paying purely for Hammond's commentary so there will be hell to pay if I get some other fool.

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2 minutes ago, Mixedkebab said:

What’s going on with Charles in defence again, players out of position is always shite.

Pep played him there in his one PL appearance. DCM would be his better position but we're a bit short of CB options for this game (somehow given we've about 8 CBs)

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3 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I'm guessing that Bednarek has been injured and he'd rather start Charles on Friday in that position over Lyanco which is fair enough. 

Fair enough, if Lyanco was the only other option I’m glad RM doesn’t rate him!

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