The Club is Rotten

[washsaint]

Listening to Selles the club have been hugely disrespectful to him.

If what he says is true and that no-one at the club has told him about Martin then this reflects really badly on the club.  But then I think we all know the club has gone downhill big time since SR took over and the connection between fans and the club is now tenuous at best.

Deeply unprofessional the way they have treated Selles (he is not the right man to take us forward but has tried his best when no-one wanted to touch us with a ten foot barge pole).

Our club is in a really dire position and SR have proven to be an utter disaster to this point.

 

[The Kraken]

Why have they been disrespectful? Selles is on a contract until the end of the season. Are the club supposed to wait until then to start looking for someone to replace him?

[Whitey Grandad]

Selles should know when to keep his trap shut. He’s done very well out of the club despite being useless at his job. Disrespectful? The way he has treated the club, the players and the supporters could not have been more disrespectful.

Go away quietly and just hope that you can make something of the rest of your career.

If you have one.

[Osvaldorama]

Selles hasn’t earned any loyalty from the club. The guy is an utter fraud. Useless, useless helmet of a manager. Of course the club is looking for a replacement; we couldn’t possibly be any worse than we are under this idiot. 
 

He should wind his fucking turtleneck in 

[Morse]

I'm not so sympathetic to Selles, he has been a disaster and can't have expected any different. But the OP is right, there is a growing distance between club and supporters. It started under Nicky Cortese and has accelerated ever since. I don't think our club is unique in this problem, but it's a pity. It won't be long before the club moves its training base up to the top end of the M3 and players and staff will just turn up in Southampton once a fortnight for a game and they will be even more remote from the community. 

 

[Smirking_Saint]

Disaster or not he’s tried his best and is well liked behind the scenes

You are able to both acknowledge he’s been a woeful appointment and understand the club probably should have discussed the fact that we are replacing him.

[Saint Fan CaM]

24 minutes ago, Smirking_Saint said:

Disaster or not he’s tried his best and is well liked behind the scenes

You are able to both acknowledge he’s been a woeful appointment and understand the club probably should have discussed the fact that we are replacing him.

Well liked behind the scenes by who? If it’s the players then that speaks volumes, but I doubt it’s as cosy as some make out - how can a pro player have any respect for a manager that drops him after playing a great game? Or a manager that doesn’t know how to win a game of football? Difficult to imagine the Board liking him him much - he’s cost the club a lot of money in relegation (he’s been influential for some years now) and lost people their jobs. The guy has been a disaster and Ankersons decision to keep him around has been nothing short of negligent.

[Lord Duckhunter]

5 hours ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

he’s cost the club a lot of money in relegation (he’s been influential for some years now) 

Years? 

[Saint Fan CaM]

2 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Years? 

Yes - he was in place during Ralph’s tenure I thought, but I may be wrong.😜 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

20 hours ago, washsaint said:

Listening to Selles the club have been hugely disrespectful to him.

If what he says is true and that no-one at the club has told him about Martin then this reflects really badly on the club.  But then I think we all know the club has gone downhill big time since SR took over and the connection between fans and the club is now tenuous at best.

Deeply unprofessional the way they have treated Selles (he is not the right man to take us forward but has tried his best when no-one wanted to touch us with a ten foot barge pole).

Our club is in a really dire position and SR have proven to be an utter disaster to this point.

 

If he came in to find his car parking space gone to a mysterious Mr Martin, then a few days later his office, then his training bibs while no one told him what for, that might be pretty poor. The club must have succession plans in place. That's going to mean talks. The club may sound out others, but stick with him.

He got the job, not because no-one else would touch us, but because the deal we offered wasn't considered to be good enough. That combined with paying off other managers and upper level splits got him in.

I don't think he's an idiot. I'm sure he has some strengths. But his tactic of choice was doomed from the start, as it was when he was advising Ralph. Regardless of how close the underlying data told him we were, common sense and a reality check would have told him it wasn't going to work.

To not change, even with the very limited attacking options we had, is where he was wrong, and, if the articles are right, failure to set higher standards buried him, as surely as it did Jones.

Someone who looks like the poster child for selecting the manager profile in FM, along with lots of data analysis and Premier League experience at a self inflicted basket case club, will surely get him a manager's job somewhere. Somewhere, where his tactic will work and suits the players he gets. But I'm not sorry he's moving on. I'm not thrilled with the way we had coaches from earlier regimes at odds with the incoming manager. So, he shouldn't be staying as a coach, which he's said he's not doing anyway. It's just turned out to be divisive, and we've been divided enough.

EDIT: I agree about SR. 🙂

Edited 22 May, 2023 by Holmes_and_Watson

[chiknsmack]

On 23/05/2023 at 03:30, Saint Fan CaM said:

Yes - he was in place during Ralph’s tenure I thought, but I may be wrong.😜 

He came in at the start of last season after SR decided to replace everyone bar Ralph.

[Saint Fan CaM]

Just now, chiknsmack said:

He came in at the start of last season after SR decided to replace everyone bar Ralph.

Thanks - that just about qualifies as years (rather than months)! Point I was making is that he has had a substantial influence over a longer period than just his reign as manager.

[VectisSaint]

1 hour ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

Thanks - that just about qualifies as years (rather than months)! Point I was making is that he has had a substantial influence over a longer period than just his reign as manager.

Nope, joined on 10 June 2022, so 11 months.

[Ed Rooney]

He needs to wind his turtle neck in and be thankful he hasn’t been sued for breach or contract and knowingly giving false information at his interview 

Edited 25 May, 2023 by Ed Rooney

[Smirking_Saint]

On 22/05/2023 at 08:24, Saint Fan CaM said:

Well liked behind the scenes by who? If it’s the players then that speaks volumes, but I doubt it’s as cosy as some make out - how can a pro player have any respect for a manager that drops him after playing a great game? Or a manager that doesn’t know how to win a game of football? Difficult to imagine the Board liking him him much - he’s cost the club a lot of money in relegation (he’s been influential for some years now) and lost people their jobs. The guy has been a disaster and Ankersons decision to keep him around has been nothing short of negligent.

He’s been here less than a year and it was Semmen’s decision to keep him on….

The rest is a lit of waffle, whether its helpful or not he is well liked by the players and fellow coaches, I’m not saying this is favourable to our current predicament.. in fact I think he’s too close to the players

I’m not really sure HE has cost the club relegation either.. he was the wrong appointment, after a wrong appointment… after probably a delayed sacking of RH

But still… I don’t really care as morally I do think the club should have discussed his position sooner, even if it was an open secret

Edited 25 May, 2023 by Smirking_Saint

[once_bitterne]

Why would he expect to be kept in the loop? If he had done well his contract would have been extended. He didn't so he has been replaced.

[Smirking_Saint]

5 minutes ago, once_bitterne said:

Why would he expect to be kept in the loop? If he had done well his contract would have been extended. He didn't so he has been replaced.

He didn’t have to be kept ‘in the loop’ in terms of knowing targets etc

But he is a senior employee, a well liked senior employee who was told at some point that his performance would be discussed at the end of the season

What would be so wrong as to say to him “Rueben, we’re looking at other targets, we don’t want you to hear that in the media before you’re made personally aware” honestly what would be so wrong in that ?

Potentially he could have thrown his toys out the pram and left ? But that wouldn’t have left us any worse off would it ?

Edited 25 May, 2023 by Smirking_Saint

[beatlesaint]

27 minutes ago, once_bitterne said:

Why would he expect to be kept in the loop? If he had done well his contract would have been extended. He didn't so he has been replaced.

well if someone was replacing you at work and you hadnt been told despite everyone else knowing wouldnt you be a little bit put out/pissed off ?

I mean its just common decency !

[LeBizzier69]

58 minutes ago, beatlesaint said:

well if someone was replacing you at work and you hadnt been told despite everyone else knowing wouldnt you be a little bit put out/pissed off ?

I mean its just common decency !

I kind of get this, from a courtesy point of view…..but I recruit contract engineers and when the contract isn’t renewed due to poor performance (or cut short) they’re certainly not informed about a replacement. 
But I guess that’s the difference between working to a fixed term contract and being a permanent staff member. Ultimately it’s not his business.

There’s no chance he wouldn’t have known what’s going on anyway with other candidates.

[sledger]

if he didnt realise he would get replaced hes thicker than i thought,hes the common denominator in this sh+tshow of a season

[Saint_clark]

Have you ever known you were going to be leaving a job on a certain date? 

Did your employer keep you up to date on who they were potentially hiring to replace you? 

Don't be ridiculous. 

[Toussaint]

2 hours ago, beatlesaint said:

well if someone was replacing you at work and you hadnt been told despite everyone else knowing wouldnt you be a little bit put out/pissed off ?

I mean its just common decency !

Its also common practice, unfortunately.

[beatlesaint]

1 hour ago, Saint_clark said:

Have you ever known you were going to be leaving a job on a certain date? 

Did your employer keep you up to date on who they were potentially hiring to replace you? 

Don't be ridiculous. 

Ridiculous ? Coming from you that's fkin rich !

[Saint Fan CaM]

3 hours ago, Smirking_Saint said:

He didn’t have to be kept ‘in the loop’ in terms of knowing targets etc

But he is a senior employee, a well liked senior employee who was told at some point that his performance would be discussed at the end of the season

What would be so wrong as to say to him “Rueben, we’re looking at other targets, we don’t want you to hear that in the media before you’re made personally aware” honestly what would be so wrong in that ?

Potentially he could have thrown his toys out the pram and left ? But that wouldn’t have left us any worse off would it ?

I think it’s safe to say the season effectively ended when he lost the Fulham game, so I suspect he knew full well (given his abysmal record) that he was not going to be retained. If not then he’s more deluded than most fans actually thought!

[SaintsLoyal]

Almost impossible to keep a lid on anything these days as agents are all tapped up by the media.

Look at the paywall 'athletic' primed with knowing all the agents and knocking out confidential material before the club.

 

 

 

 

[Whitey Grandad]

6 hours ago, beatlesaint said:

well if someone was replacing you at work and you hadnt been told despite everyone else knowing wouldnt you be a little bit put out/pissed off ?

I mean its just common decency !

I guess you don’t have much experience of this being employed malarkey.

[Farmer Saint]

The club's not rotten, there has just been a lack of investment in previous years, and some bad decisions made last year, that's all. Get over it, move on, support the Club. 

Edited 25 May, 2023 by Farmer Saint

[beatlesaint]

48 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

I guess you don’t have much experience of this being employed malarkey.

I’ve obviously been spoiled by decent employers for the past 40 years !

[Smirking_Saint]

4 hours ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

I think it’s safe to say the season effectively ended when he lost the Fulham game, so I suspect he knew full well (given his abysmal record) that he was not going to be retained. If not then he’s more deluded than most fans actually thought!

Im sure he did, still just a conversation though isn’t it

[Crab Lungs]

He said he thought he could keep us up. He performed as a whole, woefully. Then he’s surprised we’re not keeping him on?

Sod off, Ruben. And take your muggy little fan club of underperforming turds with you. 

[Saint_clark]

6 hours ago, beatlesaint said:

Ridiculous ? Coming from you that's fkin rich !

Do we know each other then? 

[Saint_clark]

1 hour ago, Smirking_Saint said:

Im sure he did, still just a conversation though isn’t it

Aren't people just assuming the conversation wasn't had? We've literally announced that Selles won't be staying on, we wouldn't have done that without informing him and in all honesty he was probably told in advance that his contract being extended was dependent on him keeping us up.

[Scottie]

No one telling him about Martin is not really a surprise.Why would they? 
 

What I heard was that discussions with him on his future started after the Fulham game. I say discussions as he was told he wouldn’t be manager but was asked to discuss other roles at the club. It was indicated that wouldn’t be with the first team.

[ErwinK1961]

2 hours ago, Scottie said:

No one telling him about Martin is not really a surprise.Why would they? 
 

What I heard was that discussions with him on his future started after the Fulham game. I say discussions as he was told he wouldn’t be manager but was asked to discuss other roles at the club. It was indicated that wouldn’t be with the first team.

Maybe he’s on for a promotion to the biggest club in the group, Goztepe?

[Turkish]

20 hours ago, Saint_clark said:

Have you ever known you were going to be leaving a job on a certain date? 

Did your employer keep you up to date on who they were potentially hiring to replace you? 

Don't be ridiculous. 

Yes I have actually. It’s happened twice. When I left one job I was even part of the interview process for my replacement. The other time the person taking over call me and asked me if the package they were offered was in line with what they should expect. 

[Daft Kerplunk]

Surprised nobody has mentioned that the club has told employees they will be cutting back jobs with redundancies, but that the Martin Semmens said there wouldn’t be as everything was fine even if we went down. Hopefully everyone realised that Martin’s words needed to be taken with a pinch of salt and moved on if they were thinking the writing was on the wall. 

[Dman]

18 minutes ago, Daft Kerplunk said:

Surprised nobody has mentioned that the club has told employees they will be cutting back jobs with redundancies, but that the Martin Semmens said there wouldn’t be as everything was fine even if we went down. Hopefully everyone realised that Martin’s words needed to be taken with a pinch of salt and moved on if they were thinking the writing was on the wall. 

I've seen people on twitter have been giving Rasmus pelters for this. What do people expect? It was obvious that any any business with a reduced income would need to cut back and look at the structure of the organisation. Its sad for those that will lose their job, but imo, its why I'd never ever, consider working at a football club in a non footballing capacity - way too unstable.  

 

[Daft Kerplunk]

18 minutes ago, Dman said:

I've seen people on twitter have been giving Rasmus pelters for this. What do people expect? It was obvious that any any business with a reduced income would need to cut back and look at the structure of the organisation. Its sad for those that will lose their job, but imo, its why I'd never ever, consider working at a football club in a non footballing capacity - way too unstable.  

 

Totally, and that is why Martin saying everything would be fine was a shit thing to say. He knew it wouldn’t be because it couldn’t possibly be okay. Whilst Rasmus has been undeniably bad so far, it’s the previous regime who took on too many people. Like has been said previously, nobody on here would believe the size of our marketing and legal/risk teams, both classic internal empire building from David Thomas and Tim Greenwell. From what I know they managed to do less work with more people but that’s layers of unnecessary management for you. And on the football side, that was rampant too. Throughout the club, jobs have been created so other people could report what jobs were being done to people looking at the reports then those people could present to the board 🤣 

[manji]

26 minutes ago, Dman said:

I've seen people on twitter have been giving Rasmus pelters for this. What do people expect? It was obvious that any any business with a reduced income would need to cut back and look at the structure of the organisation. Its sad for those that will lose their job, but imo, its why I'd never ever, consider working at a football club in a non footballing capacity - way too unstable.  

 

Anything to attack Rasmus 🙄 I remember probably before Ralph’s tenure the club had a purge of the drivers, security and some admin. 
Big deal.

[Dman]

1 minute ago, manji said:

Anything to attack Rasmus 🙄 I remember probably before Ralph’s tenure the club had a purge of the drivers, security and some admin. 
Big deal.

Rasmus is still a fucking idiot. It's just that this isn't his fault. 

[Saint_clark]

4 hours ago, Dman said:

I've seen people on twitter have been giving Rasmus pelters for this. What do people expect? It was obvious that any any business with a reduced income would need to cut back and look at the structure of the organisation. Its sad for those that will lose their job, but imo, its why I'd never ever, consider working at a football club in a non footballing capacity - way too unstable.  

 

To be fair, isn't a big part of the reason you should include relegation wage reduction clauses in players contracts so that you don't have to lay off the "regular" staff?

If our wage bill is for example £60million a year, a 10% wage reduction upon relegation would leave us with a £6million saving which would easily cover all of our other staff.

[Crab Lungs]

11 hours ago, Daft Kerplunk said:

Totally, and that is why Martin saying everything would be fine was a shit thing to say. He knew it wouldn’t be because it couldn’t possibly be okay. Whilst Rasmus has been undeniably bad so far, it’s the previous regime who took on too many people. Like has been said previously, nobody on here would believe the size of our marketing and legal/risk teams, both classic internal empire building from David Thomas and Tim Greenwell. From what I know they managed to do less work with more people but that’s layers of unnecessary management for you. And on the football side, that was rampant too. Throughout the club, jobs have been created so other people could report what jobs were being done to people looking at the reports then those people could present to the board 🤣 

As I’ve said for ages but didn’t know for sure - place is full of shiseters. Had that impression for ages, just loads of pretenders, sucking up an exorbitant  salaries for a load of posturing and pontificating with little output. No accountability, no responsibility just a load of people who ‘promise to get back to you’ buy never do.

Semmens’ wet dream world, if you will.

Stil, absolutely ridiculous some good people will lose their jobs because the losers on the field half arsed around a whole season and once again, our atrocious recruitment team get an A+ for another shocking 12 months in the transfer market.

They've gotta be up there with one of the worst culprits behind this decline.