What to expect from Russell Martin

[Fraser Spinney]

It sounds as though Russell Martin is the man that the board want and that an appointment could be imminent. I wrote here about his playing style, philosophy and what to expect if he does become manager. Hopefully it's helpful!

https://analyticsunited.co.uk/2023/05/20/what-to-expect-from-russell-martin/

[CB Fry]

The entirety of next season will be like that time The Simpsons took the piss out of football.

Good luck Russell 👍 

[washsaint]

Thanks for the article - it makes for pretty depressing reading honestly.  More of the same heading our way by the looks of it.....

[STEVEADAMS]

  On 20/05/2023 at 10:21, CB Fry said:

The entirety of next season will be like that time The Simpsons took the piss out of football.

Good luck Russell 👍 

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Holds it holds it holds it haha

[Saint_clark]

It's like the board don't want to sell season tickets or something.

[CSA96]

Yeah, who wants to watch ball-dominant, passing, attacking football anyway?

I was a fan of the counter-pressing for the first half of Ralph's tenure but accepting being second-best and just waiting for the ball to turn over so we could break away was boring me to tears by the end, because nobody in our team seemed to have any composure in possession. It felt like a team of kids just charging about, toe poking the ball around the school field aimlessly and getting picked off.

Of course, I'd much rather watch Nathan Jones biting his nails til they bleed while screaming for us to aimlessly whack it forward for somebody to chase after, or Ruben Selles doing his best Pep impression and getting too far into his own head by setting up with no strikers whatsoever, midfielders playing as false nines and 'play-stoppers' like Elyounoussi who are really good 'against the ball' 

Make some good signings and win a few early games with some enjoyable football and the flakey fans will come crawling back. They always do.

That aside, I do genuinely feel for anyone who has had to stick it out every week at SMS for the past two seasons. It's not been easy and I hope for all of our sake's that the corner is fully turned before we reach the end of 2023.

Edited 21 May, 2023 by CSA96

[Saint Billy]

I suppose it was too much to ask SR to give us free flowing attacking football.

This just sounds like more of the same drab, gutless, mind numbing shit we have already been served up but with  a different label.

 

[Badger]

From the article, and viewing/hearing Swansea views I’m expecting tedium.

  On 21/05/2023 at 01:47, CSA96 said:

Yeah, who wants to watch ball-dominant, passing, attacking football anyway?

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Yes, would love to watch passing,attacking football. Those old enough to remember will recall it was the way Lawrie set up his best sides many years ago.

But if you want an example of passing football then for me it’s the Saints goal v Liverpool 1983. Less than 20 passes,many one touch,  moving from one end of the pitch to the other cutting Liverpool (possibly  best team in Europe at the time) apart.
 

That’s a world of difference from slowly recycling it at walking pace 56 times, to include around the back four and GK. 

Edited 21 May, 2023 by Badger

[Badger]

This ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, is passing attacking football:

No passes back to Katalinic you’ll note. For one thing they probably didn’t dare due to the standard of his kicking.

Any excuse to post this and revel in it. Didn’t realise we’d recently passed the40th anniversary of this. 

Edited 21 May, 2023 by Badger

[Convict Colony]

  On 20/05/2023 at 09:51, Fraser Spinney said:

It sounds as though Russell Martin is the man that the board want and that an appointment could be imminent. I wrote here about his playing style, philosophy and what to expect if he does become manager. Hopefully it's helpful!

https://analyticsunited.co.uk/2023/05/20/what-to-expect-from-russell-martin/

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Thanks got chatgpt to summarise it. 

Russell Martin is being considered as a potential candidate for the managerial position at Southampton. He gained experience as a manager at MK Dons before joining Swansea City. Martin's playing style is heavily focused on possession and control, influenced by teams like Manchester City and Barcelona. His teams prioritize maintaining possession and dominating the ball. However, some supporters have criticized his style, claiming it can sometimes feel like possession for the sake of possession. Martin's teams have conceded avoidable goals while trying to play out from the back, which raises concerns for Southampton fans who are accustomed to their team conceding regularly. On the positive side, Martin's teams score a lot of goals, and he relies on a main striker to lead the attack. Martin typically employs a 3-4-2-1 or a variation of a 4-1-4-1/4-2-3-1 formation, with an emphasis on full-backs pushing high and wide in possession. He prefers short passes and a slow, measured build-up until the final third, where more intricate passes or wide crosses into the box are attempted. Martin's teams also employ pressing tactics out of possession, aiming to force opponents wide and prevent them from playing through the middle of the pitch. One potential concern with Martin's appointment is his focus on playing style over immediate results, which could test fans' patience if the team doesn't start well in the upcoming season.

 

 

[alehouseboys]

  On 21/05/2023 at 07:18, Badger said:

This ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls is passing attacking football:

No passes back to Katalinic you’ll note. For one thing they probably didn’t dare due to the standard of his kicking.

Any excuse to post this and revel in it. Didn’t realise we’d recently passed the40th anniversary of this. 

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I will never tire of watching this...

[CB Fry]

As a youngster I was always coached that you've got to hold and give but do it at the right time.

[wadesmith]

To be fair this is the forum that rated our Pre season  Transfer Window 8.6 out of Ten with comments such as ‘Incredible’. 😊 I’ll take the speculation of the doom mongers on here with a pinch of salt.

Edited 21 May, 2023 by wadesmith

[Fan The Flames]

  On 21/05/2023 at 07:43, CB Fry said:

As a youngster I was always coached that you've got to hold and give but do it at the right time.

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TOTP was a great coach

[Turkish]

  On 21/05/2023 at 07:43, CB Fry said:

As a youngster I was always coached that you've got to hold and give but do it at the right time.

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But even if you are slow or fast you must get to the line because the only way to beat them is to get round the back

which is complete at odds with the new hipster world of passing it slowly sideways and backwards. 

Edited 21 May, 2023 by Turkish

[Cabrone]

No one on here (presumably) has any say on whether he is appointed or not so you might as well give the guy a chance.

I'll be judging him after the transfer window and around the first month of games. We should start to have a good idea of what he's about.

I'm personally expecting us to pick up momentum very quickly because that is what you need to get out of this league.

The club owes the fans a real shot of promotion after this self inflicted mess of a season. I hope it will be way more exciting than what we've been served up recently.

[Miltonaggro]

  On 21/05/2023 at 07:43, CB Fry said:

As a youngster I was always coached that you've got to hold and give but do it at the right time.

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John barnes was supreme at this. 

[Fitzhugh Fella]

  On 21/05/2023 at 10:26, Cabrone said:

No one on here (presumably) has any say on whether he is appointed or not so you might as well give the guy a chance.

I'll be judging him after the transfer window and around the first month of games. We should start to have a good idea of what he's about.

I'm personally expecting us to pick up momentum very quickly because that is what you need to get out of this league.

The club owes the fans a real shot of promotion after this self inflicted mess of a season. I hope it will be way more exciting than what we've been served up recently.

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Trouble is we all said "let's give the guy a chance" when Jones was given the job. Once bitten twice shy is an adage that comes to mind.

[Appy]

  On 21/05/2023 at 10:54, Fitzhugh Fella said:

Trouble is we all said "let's give the guy a chance" when Jones was given the job. Once bitten twice shy is an adage that comes to mind.

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The Forest game was enough of a chance for me, Martin would have to go some to serve up anything as bad as that. 

Edited 21 May, 2023 by Appy

[Golac's Cunning Stunts]

  On 21/05/2023 at 10:24, Turkish said:

But even if you are slow or fast you must get to the line because the only way to beat them is to get round the back

which is complete at odds with the new hipster world of passing it slowly sideways and backwards. 

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Yes but...

This time, more than any other time, this time
We're going to find a way

[Dan Johnson]

Gives us a good insight 

[aintforever]

  On 21/05/2023 at 14:41, Dan Johnson said:

Gives us a good insight 

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I'm always suspicious of these sort of things. Why does he feel the need to suck himself off on YouTube?

Where is his masterclass videos from the games they lost on their way to their second mid-table finish in a row?

[Fabrice29]

  On 21/05/2023 at 15:06, aintforever said:

I'm always suspicious of these sort of things. Why does he feel the need to suck himself off on YouTube?

Where is his masterclass videos from the games they lost on their way to their second mid-table finish in a row?

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Please set up a rival youtube channel to the coaches voice with this sort of content. I'd genuinely watch it.

[sfc4prem]

  On 21/05/2023 at 14:41, Dan Johnson said:

Gives us a good insight 

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Let's go one better, for all of those creaming themselves over ex-PL 'experienced' managers...

https://youtu.be/o3YY7PY-IH0

[Roo1976]

  On 21/05/2023 at 10:54, Fitzhugh Fella said:

Trouble is we all said "let's give the guy a chance" when Jones was given the job. Once bitten twice shy is an adage that comes to mind.

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wonder whats going through JWP  thoughts at the news or certainly the rumours this could be happening?...............(already left for Newcastle) good enough for a rethink ?