Russell Martin

[Toadhall Saint]

1 hour ago, ally_uk said:

I don't think we are going up this season.....

 

 

Said that before a ball was kicked. 

[AlexLaw76]

1 hour ago, ally_uk said:

I don't think we are going up this season.....

 

 

Not a chance with Martin as manager. 
may scrape 6th, but get dumped in the playoffs first shout

[Professor]

Disappointed to see that support for Martin is still higher than I would expect and higher, IMO, than he deserves. Russball proved to be futile at his previous club but SR are allowing Martin’s coaching style to waste our best chance of quick promotion pass us by. 
The way Martin speaks collectively about the staff he brought with him from Swansea shows there is no space for internal criticism of his methods. He has a squad full of quality players but refuses to allow them to play to the best of their ability.  
There is still time to bring in a proper manager. Maybe it will take two more bad results. Last thing I want to see, but if that’s what it takes for SR to see the error they have made, it could be the saving of the season. 

 

Edited 12 October, 2023 by Professor

[Badger]

2 hours ago, adrian lord said:

By far the best predictor of a person's future performance and behaviour, is past performance and behaviour.

And so it is proving with Russell. I am shocked that the guru Rasmus didn't see this in his crystal ball.

This is the same crystal ball that saw our saviour and the second coming of Christ coming from the Welsh Valleys don't forget.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

22 hours ago, Long Shot said:

𝙳𝚎𝚙𝚛𝚎𝚜𝚜𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚒𝚜𝚗𝚝 𝚒𝚝? 𝙰𝚗𝚍 𝚢𝚎𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚛𝚎 𝚊𝚛𝚎 𝚖𝚊𝚗𝚢 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚊𝚛𝚎 𝚜𝚊𝚝𝚒𝚜𝚏𝚒𝚎𝚍 𝚠𝚒𝚝𝚑 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚙𝚑𝚘𝚗𝚢 𝚌𝚛𝚘𝚙 𝚌𝚒𝚛𝚌𝚕𝚎 𝚏𝚘𝚘𝚝𝚋𝚊𝚕𝚕. 

 

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[Badger]

6 hours ago, lambtiss said:

Both deserved more England caps

Yes, The England cap issue probably meant more in Channon's day than MLT when they handed them out quite liberally in meaningless friendlies (Geoff Thomas among others).

Mick Channon did captain England though so had quite a reasonable international record. Two ironies* about his England career always stick in my mind though, when he left he wanted to win more, and strengthen his England place yet the most capped players for some time under Revie were Mike Channon and Dave Watson despite both playing in Division 2 at the time, and  I think he only added a couple of more caps to his tally after leaving us for City. 

Always felt it a pity Channon didn't get chance to play at a World Cup in his prime (same for KK apart from his twenty minutes coming back from injury)

*Shame MLG isn't around to tell us if they are in fact ironies or not though.

Edited 12 October, 2023 by Badger

[Fabrice29]

53 minutes ago, Professor said:

Disappointed to see that support for Martin is still higher than I would expect and higher, IMO, than he deserves. Russball proved to be futile at his previous club but SR are allowing Martin’s coaching style to waste our best chance of quick promotion pass us by. 
The way Martin speaks collectively about the staff he brought with him from Swansea shows there is no space for internal criticism of his methods. He has a squad full of quality players but refuses to allow them to play to the best of their ability.  
There is still time to bring in a proper manager. Maybe it will take two more bad results. Last thing I want to see, but if that’s what it takes for SR to see the error they have made, it could be the saving of the season. 

 

 Just incredible. Such entitlement and stupidity. 

[Badger]

1 hour ago, Professor said:

There is still time to bring in a proper manager. Maybe it will take two more bad results. Last thing I want to see, but if that’s what it takes for SR to see the error they have made, it could be the saving of the season. 

 

It could, but then again ....  who will make the selection, you trust them to get the next appointment right ? 

[sfc4prem]

8 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

 Just incredible. Such entitlement and stupidity. 

Entitlement? Surely we're one of the least entitled fanbases going?

[Fabrice29]

Just now, sfc4prem said:

Entitlement? Surely we're one of the least entitled fanbases going?

The idea that we've got a quality squad and should be just winning games in this league immediately despite having a squad that has consistently been losing games for 3 years feel pretty entitled to me. That's not even including the fact that we've seen off 2 managers and some want a third gone all in under a year. 

[Long Shot]

Well I am not entitled as I wrote off our promotion hopes around about the time Sunderland’s 5th goal went in. 
With Martin at the helm we will soon just be another mid table, also ran Championship team of that I have no doubt. The happy clappers will keep clapping for a few months but the penny will eventually painfully drop. 

[Fabrice29]

Just now, Long Shot said:

Well I am not entitled as I wrote off our promotion hopes around about the time Sunderland’s 5th goal went in. 
With Martin at the helm we will soon just be another mid table, also ran Championship team of that I have no doubt. The happy clappers will keep clapping for a few months but the penny will eventually painfully drop. 

Maybe. But on the basis the changing a manager quickly hasn't really worked out for us either in the recent past, maybe we should just let this one play out and see what happens.

[trousers]

36 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

Maybe. But on the basis the changing a manager quickly hasn't really worked out for us either in the recent past, maybe we should just let this one play out and see what happens.

[CB Fry]

1 hour ago, Fabrice29 said:

The idea that we've got a quality squad and should be just winning games in this league immediately despite having a squad that has consistently been losing games for 3 years feel pretty entitled to me. That's not even including the fact that we've seen off 2 managers and some want a third gone all in under a year. 

Who has "seen off" these two managers?

[InTheChannel]

https://inthechannel.blogspot.com/2023/10/boooo-gate-southampton-saga.html?m=1

 

Reaction to Downes comments on the noise at full time against Rotherham

[Dark Munster]

1 hour ago, CB Fry said:

Who has "seen off" these two managers?

I wish I had the power to see off the current one.

And Rasmus F**king Ankersen.

[AlexLaw76]

11 hours ago, Fabrice29 said:

 Just incredible. Such entitlement and stupidity. 

We have one of the least entitled and most  compliant fan base in professional football

[wild-saint]

12 hours ago, Long Shot said:

Well I am not entitled as I wrote off our promotion hopes around about the time Sunderland’s 5th goal went in. 
With Martin at the helm we will soon just be another mid table, also ran Championship team of that I have no doubt. The happy clappers will keep clapping for a few months but the penny will eventually painfully drop. 

100% agree with this. 

[Saint_clark]

11 hours ago, CB Fry said:

Who has "seen off" these two managers?

Yeah they weren't exactly chased out of Southampton with pitch forks and torches. 

Pretty sure they saw themselves off. 

[Miltonaggro]

14 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

Yeah they weren't exactly chased out of Southampton with pitch forks and torches. 

Pretty sure they saw themselves off. 

We were a well established Premier League side whose idiot and inexperienced Board decided to replace Hassenhutl (second placed finish with RBL, followed by Nagelsmann at that club) with the unknown Luton Town manager who appeared to be sectionable under the MHA (SFC 35% win). They then decided to replace said nutter after spending a fortune in the January transfer window with a coach who had been at the club six months and previously only managed in Spanish youth football (11% win). After relegation and promises of an immediate promotion bid, they decided the best man for the job was the water-treading Swansea manager whose entire record suggested a ceiling of mid-table mediocrity - the nice version of Natty J, but with an inferior CV as a manager. 
 

‘Chased out’ = realisation of incompetence. 

[Galway saint]

7 minutes ago, Miltonaggro said:

We were a well established Premier League side whose idiot and inexperienced Board decided to replace Hassenhutl (second placed finish with RBL, followed by Nagelsmann at that club) with the unknown Luton Town manager who appeared to be sectionable under the MHA (SFC 35% win). They then decided to replace said nutter after spending a fortune in the January transfer window with a coach who had been at the club six months and previously only managed in Spanish youth football (11% win). After relegation and promises of an immediate promotion bid, they decided the best man for the job was the water-treading Swansea manager whose entire record suggested a ceiling of mid-table mediocrity - the nice version of Natty J, but with an inferior CV as a manager. 
 

‘Chased out’ = realisation of incompetence. 

Martin’s sides self evidently concede too many goals to be successful so unless you have some really good goal scorers ( which we don't) to offset that, promotion will be a challenge.

makes the decision to sell teller an odd one but perhaps he wanted to leave 

[Charlie Wayman]

14 hours ago, Fabrice29 said:

Maybe. But on the basis the changing a manager quickly hasn't really worked out for us either in the recent past, maybe we should just let this one play out and see what happens.

I suppose your approach avoids having to make a decision

[Osvaldorama]

1 hour ago, Miltonaggro said:

We were a well established Premier League side whose idiot and inexperienced Board decided to replace Hassenhutl (second placed finish with RBL, followed by Nagelsmann at that club) with the unknown Luton Town manager who appeared to be sectionable under the MHA (SFC 35% win). They then decided to replace said nutter after spending a fortune in the January transfer window with a coach who had been at the club six months and previously only managed in Spanish youth football (11% win). After relegation and promises of an immediate promotion bid, they decided the best man for the job was the water-treading Swansea manager whose entire record suggested a ceiling of mid-table mediocrity - the nice version of Natty J, but with an inferior CV as a manager. 
 

‘Chased out’ = realisation of incompetence. 

When you see the facts written down like that it is genuinely laughable how bad our owners are. 
 

A Pompey fan trying to fuck us over could hardly have done much worse

[Convict Colony]

[AlexLaw76]

2 minutes ago, Convict Colony said:

Shocker. Mid level championship manager, achieving his level.

[CB Fry]

1 hour ago, Convict Colony said:

Destroys all the "yes if but maybes" around the individual results.

Mid table mediocrity manager sending out teams to deliver, on a plate, mid table mediocrity.

[Miltonaggro]

17 hours ago, Fabrice29 said:

 Just incredible. Such entitlement and stupidity. 

Those six words there could be utilised as Sport Republic’s mission statement. 

[Toussaint]

19 hours ago, adrian lord said:

By far the best predictor of a person's future performance and behaviour, is past performance and behaviour.

And so it is proving with Russell. I am shocked that the guru Rasmus didn't see this in his crystal ball.

I’d be shocked if a pragmatist didn’t see it but Rambo isn’t a pragmatist, he’d the opposite, whatever that is, mr “break it”

[Convict Colony]

Whoever gets to go the the tactical session thats been announced that wilcox and martin will run for the fans please take notes.

[swannymere]

I'm 99% sure we're going up. 

[gio1saints]

I’m confirmed attending. Submitted my question. It’s probably irrelevant to the hate Russell mob and those of the hysterical view that saints in mid table after 11 games is literally THE END OF THE WORLD / SR is the Antichrist but for others of a more balanced disposition it pretty much goes like this ; 

“The relationship between you, the players, and us the supporters, is worth points each season.

We love it when you come over at full time after a win and give your three fist pumps.

But, when it’s not such a great result nobody comes out and the fan appreciation is a few token claps before getting away into the changing rooms.

Given your heavy emphasis on personal bravery would you and squad consider facing us supporters - on the pitch - win lose or draw - after EVERY match.” 

It can be choreographed for a win, yeah ok with that , but team must show win lose or draw they are together with us. Running off to the changing rooms is no good. 

Hope to get to ask that but my reasoning is not because I don’t think players care - they do - but rather it’s try restore collective faith  
 

If as supporters our response to players and manager doing so - genuinely facing up and apologising for a bad performance - celebrating with us a win - or somewhere in the middle for a draw, is positive then I can foresee a better bond developing. That could mean points. Promotion. ePl salaries and income again. It’s worth a try  

 

 

[Cadoxton Jack]

All you saints fans are going through the same experience as Swansea fans. Possession based football at all costs with overplaying tippi tappy inevitably leading to defensive lapses. Yes you will score good goals but you’ll also concede just as many that’s not promotion ingredients. I’m glad you took him and paid us compo - the football was boring under RM - he’s your problem now.

[Convict Colony]

I would have 2 questions.

"Tell me a team who already plays like we want to so I can see what the finished product looks like" 

"What is stopping us from us scoring more goals from the amount of chances created whilst being more defensively solid as a team".

[swannymere]

19 minutes ago, gio1saints said:

I’m confirmed attending. Submitted my question. It’s probably irrelevant to the hate Russell mob and those of the hysterical view that saints in mid table after 11 games is literally THE END OF THE WORLD / SR is the Antichrist but for others of a more balanced disposition it pretty much goes like this ; 

“The relationship between you, the players, and us the supporters, is worth points each season.

We love it when you come over at full time after a win and give your three fist pumps.

But, when it’s not such a great result nobody comes out and the fan appreciation is a few token claps before getting away into the changing rooms.

Given your heavy emphasis on personal bravery would you and squad consider facing us supporters - on the pitch - win lose or draw - after EVERY match.” 

It can be choreographed for a win, yeah ok with that , but team must show win lose or draw they are together with us. Running off to the changing rooms is no good. 

Hope to get to ask that but my reasoning is not because I don’t think players care - they do - but rather it’s try restore collective faith  
 

If as supporters our response to players and manager doing so - genuinely facing up and apologising for a bad performance - celebrating with us a win - or somewhere in the middle for a draw, is positive then I can foresee a better bond developing. That could mean points. Promotion. ePl salaries and income again. It’s worth a try  

 

 

Whilst i appreciate and agree with some of what you say, choreagraphed cheering by the team is a bit cringe. Soz.

[AlexLaw76]

30 minutes ago, gio1saints said:

I’m confirmed attending. Submitted my question. It’s probably irrelevant to the hate Russell mob and those of the hysterical view that saints in mid table after 11 games is literally THE END OF THE WORLD / SR is the Antichrist but for others of a more balanced disposition it pretty much goes like this ; 

“The relationship between you, the players, and us the supporters, is worth points each season.

We love it when you come over at full time after a win and give your three fist pumps.

But, when it’s not such a great result nobody comes out and the fan appreciation is a few token claps before getting away into the changing rooms.

Given your heavy emphasis on personal bravery would you and squad consider facing us supporters - on the pitch - win lose or draw - after EVERY match.” 

It can be choreographed for a win, yeah ok with that , but team must show win lose or draw they are together with us. Running off to the changing rooms is no good. 

Hope to get to ask that but my reasoning is not because I don’t think players care - they do - but rather it’s try restore collective faith  
 

If as supporters our response to players and manager doing so - genuinely facing up and apologising for a bad performance - celebrating with us a win - or somewhere in the middle for a draw, is positive then I can foresee a better bond developing. That could mean points. Promotion. ePl salaries and income again. It’s worth a try  

 

 

Can I be honest. That is dreadful

[Challenger]

17 minutes ago, Cadoxton Jack said:

All you saints fans are going through the same experience as Swansea fans. Possession based football at all costs with overplaying tippi tappy inevitably leading to defensive lapses. Yes you will score good goals but you’ll also concede just as many that’s not promotion ingredients. I’m glad you took him and paid us compo - the football was boring under RM - he’s your problem now.

RM was the desired choice of the owners so , ultimately he's now their problem.

[Dark Munster]

10 minutes ago, Challenger said:

RM was the desired choice of the owners so , ultimately he's now their problem.

Yes, but the owners are our problem. 

[Osvaldorama]

Can someone please ask why we never counter attack or try and catch teams on the break?
 

We let teams re-set and get back defensively, meaning it’s impossible to break them down 

[Miltonaggro]

2 hours ago, swannymere said:

I'm 99% sure we're going up. 

xg or old skool probability? 

 

1 hour ago, gio1saints said:

I’m confirmed attending. Submitted my question. It’s probably irrelevant to the hate Russell mob and those of the hysterical view that saints in mid table after 11 games is literally THE END OF THE WORLD / SR is the Antichrist but for others of a more balanced disposition it pretty much goes like this ; 

“The relationship between you, the players, and us the supporters, is worth points each season.

We love it when you come over at full time after a win and give your three fist pumps.

But, when it’s not such a great result nobody comes out and the fan appreciation is a few token claps before getting away into the changing rooms.

Given your heavy emphasis on personal bravery would you and squad consider facing us supporters - on the pitch - win lose or draw - after EVERY match.” 

It can be choreographed for a win, yeah ok with that , but team must show win lose or draw they are together with us. Running off to the changing rooms is no good. 

Hope to get to ask that but my reasoning is not because I don’t think players care - they do - but rather it’s try restore collective faith  
 

If as supporters our response to players and manager doing so - genuinely facing up and apologising for a bad performance - celebrating with us a win - or somewhere in the middle for a draw, is positive then I can foresee a better bond developing. That could mean points. Promotion. ePl salaries and income again. It’s worth a try  

 

 

I had already anticipated that ‘others of a more balanced disposition’ might be representing our otherwise stupid and entitled fanbase at this key event. Top idea, but maybe insist the players, Russ and coaches visit every corner flag on their weekly walk of victory / shame. I’d buy an extra sausage roll and stay behind for that. 

[gio1saints]

17 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

Can someone please ask why we never counter attack or try and catch teams on the break?
 

We let teams re-set and get back defensively, meaning it’s impossible to break them down 

I think that’s a fair question. There’s been times when Baz will look to kick long and fast to Kamaldeen or Sam if they look isolated but in the main we do not break out at pace. 

With Players like Sam, Kamaldeen and KWP it’s not as if we not got fast runners in team. Going back a few decades I think Danny Wallace practically made a career at Saints out of chasing balls hit over the top and using his speed to either score or get a telling cross in. 

[Saint_clark]

1 hour ago, Osvaldorama said:

Can someone please ask why we never counter attack or try and catch teams on the break?
 

We let teams re-set and get back defensively, meaning it’s impossible to break them down 

Because it means we keep possession. 

 

 

[Lord Duckhunter]

1 hour ago, swannymere said:

Whilst i appreciate and agree with some of what you say, choreagraphed cheering by the team is a bit cringe. Soz.

He said “choreographed after a win”, so I can’t really understand your moaning, you wouldn’t have to see it very much. 

[Challenger]

1 hour ago, Osvaldorama said:

Can someone please ask why we never counter attack or try and catch teams on the break?
 

We let teams re-set and get back defensively, meaning it’s impossible to break them down 

Naivety?

[Weston Super Saint]

55 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

He said “choreographed after a win”, so I can’t really understand your moaning, you wouldn’t have to see it very much. 

Especially not at home.

[Dark Munster]

2 hours ago, Osvaldorama said:

Can someone please ask why we never counter attack or try and catch teams on the break?
 

We let teams re-set and get back defensively, meaning it’s impossible to break them down 

Be patient, it's all part of the process. In about 5 or 6 years we'll have perfected it, and will then be able to pass sideways our way into the opponent's net. All 92 teams in the league will look enviously at us passing other National League teams to death. Rasmus will finally be hailed as a genius.

Edited 13 October, 2023 by Dark Munster

[Charlie Wayman]

7 hours ago, Convict Colony said:

Where do you get this guff from?

[OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint]

3 hours ago, Challenger said:

RM was the desired choice of the owners so , ultimately he's now their problem.

You're right Charlie. These stats are just guff.

Surely Challenger's is the point. RM was brought in because this is the style of football the higher echelons want us to play. The best outcome I can see is we play a couple of Leeds type games where the direct approach pays dividends and it dawns on the manager and more important, the board, that is the style that wins games and not the passing sideways at the back hoping for an opening.

The first 20 minutes of the second half against Rotherham was criminal.

[Miltonaggro]

4 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

He said “choreographed after a win”, so I can’t really understand your moaning, you wouldn’t have to see it very much. 

They might as well get Wayne Sleep to do the choreography! He could also double for Frazer on the wing. 

Edited 13 October, 2023 by Miltonaggro

[gio1saints]

20 hours ago, swannymere said:

Whilst i appreciate and agree with some of what you say, choreagraphed cheering by the team is a bit cringe. Soz.

No need to apols. I guess depends on what you call choreographed. agree it’s potentially a bit cringe - All that lining up joining hands and running towards the crowd malarkey for instance IS a bit cringe. I’ve seen it done a few times mainly European teams though. But on the continent they do go in for that kind of thing a bit more- the tifo and big displays from support at some matches thing I mean. 

.  BUT running off the pitch tails between their legs giving a token two claps towards us fans after a terrible performance  is not a good look either. And I guess that’s the main thrust of what I was trying to say. If they are brave enough to obey rigid tactical orders they are brave enough to face the support at full time. 
 

If it’s worth three fist pumps for a win it’s worth a proper apology if they don’t.perform to scratch. Miltonag called it the walk of shame and there’s a bit of truth in that because it’s a big disincentive to not let that happen! 
 

We can lose playing brilliantly - and draw unluckily- but rubbish like 5-0  or 1-4 I could have done with the players staying with Russell and essentially apologising for the bad performance. 
 

I know what I’m asking is unrealistic though. It’s just to put the idea into someone’s head. 

[AlexLaw76]

11 minutes ago, gio1saints said:

No need to apols. I guess depends on what you call choreographed. agree it’s potentially a bit cringe - All that lining up joining hands and running towards the crowd malarkey for instance IS a bit cringe. I’ve seen it done a few times mainly European teams though. But on the continent they do go in for that kind of thing a bit more- the tifo and big displays from support at some matches thing I mean. 

.  BUT running off the pitch tails between their legs giving a token two claps towards us fans after a terrible performance  is not a good look either. And I guess that’s the main thrust of what I was trying to say. If they are brave enough to obey rigid tactical orders they are brave enough to face the support at full time. 
 

If it’s worth three fist pumps for a win it’s worth a proper apology if they don’t.perform to scratch. Miltonag called it the walk of shame and there’s a bit of truth in that because it’s a big disincentive to not let that happen! 
 

We can lose playing brilliantly - and draw unluckily- but rubbish like 5-0  or 1-4 I could have done with the players staying with Russell and essentially apologising for the bad performance. 
 

I know what I’m asking is unrealistic though. It’s just to put the idea into someone’s head. 

You have an opportunity to ask the manager/Jason Wilcox a question, and yours is about fist bumping the crowd........