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1 hour ago, Turkish said:

We’re 13 points behind Leicester already, we aren’t catch them they will run away with the league. It’ll probably be play offs at best for us 

My comparison was not an expectation by any means. 

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13 hours ago, Dusic said:

We had more than enough chances to win that game comfortably. Probably nine times out of 10 thats what happens.

Very frustrating not to win, but the reason wasn't Russell Martin.

 

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30 minutes ago, Badger said:

My comparison was not an expectation by any means. 

I get that. Reading were an awful team that season. Won a lot of game narrowly with goals from set pieces. That 1-3 home loss against them on a Friday night was gut wrenching as we battered them, they score one due to a Danny fox errror then got two on the break as we went for the win then chased the game, it was compounded by the fact I worked on reading at the time and suddenly in March when they started to do well all these chelsea and spurs fans came out claiming to be Reading fans. 
 

anyway back to your point, with you there totally despite having a squad not far off theirs they are miles better than us as the moment, maybe their manager needs to start talking about his philosophy a bit more 

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2 hours ago, trousers said:

Who's to say he wouldn't end up as one of those players who plays within themselves at Saints but blossoms when playing for a better managed team...? There's a fair few precedents of this after all... 

he’s been playing within himself for a few seasons to be fair.

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16 hours ago, Turkish said:

We’re 13 points behind Leicester already, we aren’t catch them they will run away with the league. It’ll probably be play offs at best for us 

Its alright, they're bound to fall away. They're debt ridden, skint and we're in a much better position - innit

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7 hours ago, Maggie May said:

Another frustrating part about not seeing out the win to Rotherham is our next three fixtures against very good sides who will now be our closest rivals for the playoffs. I can’t see us getting much out of them if I’m honest. 

I wouldn’t worry about Birmingham, they’ve celebrated their good start to the season by sacking their manager.

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1 hour ago, TheAlehouseBrawlers said:

Flynn Downes joining the manager in taking a swipe at the fans, says it’s “mental” - getting pelters in the comments 

https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/23841575.downes-claims-southampton-didnt-deserve-boos-rotherham-draw/

He can fuck off back to West ham if he cant handle a bit of booing

Stop passing it back and forward between centre halves midfield for 20 mins and try and score ffs

What a prick

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23 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

He can fuck off back to West ham if he cant handle a bit of booing

Stop passing if back and forward between centre halves midfield fort 20 mins and try and score ffs

What a prick

A very well measured response as per from you, Always.

With that sort of tactical intelligence, its a surprise you're not in the dug out.

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Lee On Solent Saint

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1 hour ago, tdmickey3 said:

He can fuck off back to West ham if he cant handle a bit of booing

Stop passing it back and forward between centre halves midfield for 20 mins and try and score ffs

What a prick

Can't believe a West Ham player is sensitive to a bit of booing. Weren't their fans fighting amongst each other quite recently? We've not quite reached that level yet. 

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Saint Matty 76

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Bit of a stupid interview from Downes, who was actually our best player on the day by a mile.

I think I said it on the matchday thread but in the 20 years I've been going to football, Rotherham are the worst team I have ever seen us play and yet we could all see us sleepwalking into a draw in that second half. Obviously a lot of the negativity in the crowd comes from experiences pre-dating this season, but I think it's a pretty poor look to take a swipe at the fans who have every right to be frustrated with both what we've seen at home so far, and Saturday in particular, which we may win "99 times out of 100", but we didn't.

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1 hour ago, tdmickey3 said:

He can fuck off back to West ham if he cant handle a bit of booing

Stop passing it back and forward between centre halves midfield for 20 mins and try and score ffs

What a prick

We had enough good opportunities to bury Rotherham, even the most psychotic anti-Russell Southampton "fan" would recognise that and realise that not everything is the manager's fault (or maybe they wouldn't).  The game could've easily finished 3-1 to us, it didn't, booing the team was frankly pantomine and ridiculous... oh yes it was.

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Lee On Solent Saint

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45 minutes ago, notnowcato said:

We had enough good opportunities to bury Rotherham, even the most psychotic anti-Russell Southampton "fan" would recognise that and realise that not everything is the manager's fault (or maybe they wouldn't).  The game could've easily finished 3-1 to us, it didn't, booing the team was frankly pantomine and ridiculous... oh yes it was.

He didn't exactly do himself any favours by taking off the 3 players who displayed the most attacking intent throughout much of the first half.  

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3 hours ago, TheAlehouseBrawlers said:

Flynn Downes joining the manager in taking a swipe at the fans, says it’s “mental” - getting pelters in the comments 

https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/23841575.downes-claims-southampton-didnt-deserve-boos-rotherham-draw/

Perhaps Flynn needs to consider Saints in the context of his beloved West Ham.  If the Hammers were relegated in humiliation after appointing Natty J and Selles, brought in Russ to mastermind an immediate bounceback and were tenth after eleven games having bored drawed at the Olympic against Rotherham - the response might be even more 'mental'.  What a melt! 

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8 minutes ago, ErwinK1961 said:

He’s right.

Plenty would disagree - I've been going for well over half a century and I can honestly say I've never booed one of our own players, my language may have been a bit industrial a few times, but I can certainly understand why some would. These faint-of-heart players and managers need to understand that we carry a lot of...ahem, scar tissue...from a number of seasons, it's gonna spill over now and again.

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The booing is ridiculous but not surprising.

Interesting that Connor Chaplin said on Sat one of the reasons Ipswich have been so good for the last yesr or so is because in the tense moments the fans get behind the team.

At the moment ours don't and it doesn't feel like there is any real relationship there.

Of course people were frustrated by the result but booing should be reserved for the genuine dross like Forest at home, not a game where you batter someone and they get out of jail with a point.

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2 hours ago, SaintsLoyal said:

I agree with Martin and Downes, beyond embarrassing that so called fans booed at full time.

For once I agree with you. Unfortunately there seems to be a large number of knobheads in our fanbase who revel in negativity and making SMS a toxic place for us to play. The result was frustrating but the performance and effort didn't warrant that reaction.

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10 minutes ago, Dusic said:

The booing is ridiculous but not surprising.

Interesting that Connor Chaplin said on Sat one of the reasons Ipswich have been so good for the last yesr or so is because in the tense moments the fans get behind the team.

At the moment ours don't and it doesn't feel like there is any real relationship there.

Of course people were frustrated by the result but booing should be reserved for the genuine dross like Forest at home, not a game where you batter someone and they get out of jail with a point.

Those Ipswich fans must be, like, so amazing and loyal sticking right behind their team through the thick and thin of losing one game all season.

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20 minutes ago, Dusic said:

The booing is ridiculous but not surprising.

Interesting that Connor Chaplin said on Sat one of the reasons Ipswich have been so good for the last yesr or so is because in the tense moments the fans get behind the team.

At the moment ours don't and it doesn't feel like there is any real relationship there.

Of course people were frustrated by the result but booing should be reserved for the genuine dross like Forest at home, not a game where you batter someone and they get out of jail with a point.

We battered them senseless by playing mindless crop circle football until they were so numb they scored. 

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33 minutes ago, Dusic said:

The booing is ridiculous but not surprising.

Interesting that Connor Chaplin said on Sat one of the reasons Ipswich have been so good for the last yesr or so is because in the tense moments the fans get behind the team.

At the moment ours don't and it doesn't feel like there is any real relationship there.

Of course people were frustrated by the result but booing should be reserved for the genuine dross like Forest at home, not a game where you batter someone and they get out of jail with a point.

The environment is somewhat dictated by what we've had to endure at home for many years, not just a few weeks. RM and Downes need to read the room a bit and understand that as home fans we have been sold a shit show for way too long.

Whilst Saturday didn't deserve booing in isolation, it's just the nature of how the fanbase feels after years of not winning home games. We just need a run of wins, a decent unbeaten run at home, some goals etc, and the mood will start to change. At the moment the hangover remains quite strong.

The difference with Leicester is technically they had one bad season where they dropped off and got relegated, we've had to endure years of the same shit surviving by the odd win or whatever (and mainly based on our away form I'll add). As home fans we need therapy and the people at the club now need to realise exactly what we've had to endure, and the frustration isn't just as a result of 1 game - even though it may come across like that.

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25 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

Those Ipswich fans must be, like, so amazing and loyal sticking right behind their team through the thick and thin of losing one game all season.

Perhaps what he is saying is that its a small part why their form has been so good, because the stadium gets behind them in the tough moments?

Sure it helps when you are winning a lot but we always did it in the 90s despite some genuinely terrible football.

Our players probably prefer playing away at the moment and that certainly doesn't help us get more points.

 

 

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The atmosphere was good on Saturday, until we started playing within ourselves, looked too calm/confident/lethargic despite time ticking away and drawing 1-1, but even then there were only a few murmurs. It was only at full time when the boos came out and even then plenty got clapped off. Can't blame it for Rotherham scoring.

Russell Martin got a few renditions of the e i, e i o song.

They keep blaming the fans, it has been a running theme for well over a year now with Semmens starting it, then Jones and now Martin. It's an easy excuse, there are far more intimidating grounds than ours and this season was full of optimism going into it. Look at the numbers for each game played this season, despite being on TV for 6 of the 11 fixtures. Soon they'll be playing in front of a half empty St. Marys like the Poortvliet year and there won't be many to voice an opinion. Just look at what has become of Stoke last week.

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Just now, HarvSFC said:

The atmosphere was good on Saturday, until we started playing within ourselves, looked too calm/confident/lethargic despite time ticking away and drawing 1-1, but even then there were only a few murmurs. It was only at full time when the boos came out and even then plenty got clapped off. Can't blame it for Rotherham scoring.

So basically it was good until the bit of the game where the players probably needed a bit of a boost from the fans.

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2 hours ago, Saint Matty 76 said:

Bit of a stupid interview from Downes, who was actually our best player on the day by a mile.

I think I said it on the matchday thread but in the 20 years I've been going to football, Rotherham are the worst team I have ever seen us play and yet we could all see us sleepwalking into a draw in that second half. Obviously a lot of the negativity in the crowd comes from experiences pre-dating this season, but I think it's a pretty poor look to take a swipe at the fans who have every right to be frustrated with both what we've seen at home so far, and Saturday in particular, which we may win "99 times out of 100", but we didn't.

It was a stupid interview.  I like Downes - based on his last two games you can see he’s an accomplished midfielder, not far off Prem level.   Just the same, there were two mistakes he made in dressing down the fans…….Rotherham were/are the weakest opposition sighted for a long time.   And the recent history of Saints is littered with poor management appointments;  rubbish owners and boardrooms and lukewarm on-field performances dating back to the Puel era.  Bit much for a recent arrival to rip in to the supporters while missing that context.

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6 minutes ago, Dusic said:

So basically it was good until the bit of the game where the players probably needed a bit of a boost from the fans.

The 2nd half tactics dampened down the atmosphere. I almost dropped off at one point (and I was standing up!). Play exciting football and the crowd will get excited... 

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2 hours ago, notnowcato said:

We had enough good opportunities to bury Rotherham, even the most psychotic anti-Russell Southampton "fan" would recognise that and realise that not everything is the manager's fault (or maybe they wouldn't).  The game could've easily finished 3-1 to us, it didn't, booing the team was frankly pantomine and ridiculous... oh yes it was.

Whilst we had a decent number of good opportunities, the trouble with Martin's tactics is that its all about quality of chances rather than quantity. When you have decent forwards who can capitalise on the decent chances then quality over quantity is a sound tactic, but when you have average strikers like we do, you need quantity over quality to stand the best chance of despatching the likes of Rotherham. I therefore conclude that Martin's tactics were a contributing factor in us not winning on Saturday. 

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9 minutes ago, trousers said:

The 2nd half tactics dampened down the atmosphere. I almost dropped off at one point (and I was standing up!). Play exciting football and the crowd will get excited... 

Exactly this. The on-field lethargy spread to the fans.

The three subs really were the ‘handing out the cocoa/Horlicks or whatever ..’

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Just now, Weston Super Saint said:

Not sure you can blame the team because you're old 😉

As I’m a miserable old bastard do I get a dispensation from Flynn Downes to vent my frustrations to have built up since September 2nd ? 

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3 hours ago, Saint Matty 76 said:

Bit of a stupid interview from Downes, who was actually our best player on the day by a mile.

I think I said it on the matchday thread but in the 20 years I've been going to football, Rotherham are the worst team I have ever seen us play and yet we could all see us sleepwalking into a draw in that second half. Obviously a lot of the negativity in the crowd comes from experiences pre-dating this season, but I think it's a pretty poor look to take a swipe at the fans who have every right to be frustrated with both what we've seen at home so far, and Saturday in particular, which we may win "99 times out of 100", but we didn't.

There was a time when the Saints players were one of the best pub darts teams in Southampton. Then, they'd mix with the fans, give as good as they got and would take a little criticism.

Nowadays, players/managers are cosseted and in many respects divorced from the fanbase. Martin no doubt tells them they smashed the possession stats and they believe their own hype. Downes was probably genuinely surprised that a sub standard, lethargic display got a booing because they don't see it that way and understand what us fans want.

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9 minutes ago, trousers said:

Whilst we had a decent number of good opportunities, the trouble with Martin's tactics is that its all about quality of chances rather than quantity. When you have decent forwards who can capitalise on the decent chances then quality over quantity is a sound tactic, but when you have average strikers like we do, you need quantity over quality to stand the best chance of despatching the likes of Rotherham. I therefore conclude that Martin's tactics were a contributing factor in us not winning on Saturday. 

Quantity over quality would suggest less chance of a successful outcome, overall probably not much in it.

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22 minutes ago, notnowcato said:

Quantity over quality would suggest less chance of a successful outcome, overall probably not much in it.

Maybe, maybe not. I just think there's more chance of our inconsistent strikers scoring a few semi-flukey goals from a plethora of half chances versus scoring from a smaller subset of chances that are put on a plate for them. Yes, sounds counter-intuative perhaps, but I've been watch Saints for far too long to know not to apply logic to such calculations ;)

Exhibit A - Che Adam's speculative shot from almost the half way line versus Man City the other season, yet give him a chance 5 yards out (after a build up of 25 tip-tappy passes) and he'll invariably fluff it...

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57 minutes ago, Dusic said:

Perhaps what he is saying is that its a small part why their form has been so good, because the stadium gets behind them in the tough moments?

Sure it helps when you are winning a lot but we always did it in the 90s despite some genuinely terrible football.

If your memory is the crowd got behind the team no-matter-what during the Branfoot years or the Dave Jones / Merrington / Souness relegation zone dross then sorry I don't remember that.

I remember protests in the car park and plenty of moaning in the stands at the Dell.

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49 minutes ago, OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint said:

There was a time when the Saints players were one of the best pub darts teams in Southampton. Then, they'd mix with the fans, give as good as they got and would take a little criticism.

Nowadays, players/managers are cosseted and in many respects divorced from the fanbase. Martin no doubt tells them they smashed the possession stats and they believe their own hype. Downes was probably genuinely surprised that a sub standard, lethargic display got a booing because they don't see it that way and understand what us fans want.

Shearer and Ruddock were the last iteration of that darts team. Remember seeing them in action! 😂

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Martin has made allowances for the so called scars of the players… he needs to consider the years of scarring for the fans. We are more used to this than we are of saints going on to put the team away. I certainly have not got the confidence to believe we have left the past behind us. What we watch against poorer championship teams is founded in the same faults we saw in the prem 

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It's pretty easy to me. 

A supporter should support the team - the clue is in the name. 

A customer can boo the team, as they can argue the quality of the product is not good enough for the money. 

People need to decide what they are. 

 

Watched the highlights, should have won easily. It was one of those games. 

Everyone remember in the Summer when a lot of posters on here were losing their mind at potentially selling Che? Makes me chuckle now. 

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2 hours ago, trousers said:

Whilst we had a decent number of good opportunities, the trouble with Martin's tactics is that its all about quality of chances rather than quantity. When you have decent forwards who can capitalise on the decent chances then quality over quantity is a sound tactic, but when you have average strikers like we do, you need quantity over quality to stand the best chance of despatching the likes of Rotherham. I therefore conclude that Martin's tactics were a contributing factor in us not winning on Saturday. 

So basically your saying ”the chances we create are too easy and we need to create more difficult half chances”


This makes no logical sense. Plenty of reasons to beat Martin with but don’t invent them.

 

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Have to be honest, I didn’t hear any boos. There was some moaning and annoyance int the second half and you could tell the crowd were getting anxious but, at least from where I was, it was a long way from unanimous booing.

Anyway, regardless of whether they’re being booed, or even if they should have been booed, the manager and players should know better than to criticise the fans. Nothing good ever comes of it. Might not be fair but that’s the way it is. 

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5 hours ago, Dusic said:

The booing is ridiculous but not surprising.

Interesting that Connor Chaplin said on Sat one of the reasons Ipswich have been so good for the last yesr or so is because in the tense moments the fans get behind the team.

At the moment ours don't and it doesn't feel like there is any real relationship there.

Of course people were frustrated by the result but booing should be reserved for the genuine dross like Forest at home, not a game where you batter someone and they get out of jail with a point.

So if the fans cheered the team then the players would actually stop fannying about and actually attack at speed? 

Wow if only we had known that sooner.

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Martin and his apologists claim we should be happy because we had enough chances to win 4-1. That's all well and good if they were spread out evenly throughout the match. But they ignore the 30-40 minutes of absolute dross in the middle, where almost half the match was wasted with propaganda Russball shite football. Keep up the quality of the first 20 or so minutes throughout the match, and still draw 1-1 due to good goalkeeping, yes even bad misses, is forgivable. But wasting half the match with crap football (against an appallingly bad side), and say that's ok because we outplayed them for the other half, isn't good enough. Martin especially (and Rasmus F*cking Ankersen if he was there) deserve all the boos they got. 

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