Russell Martin

[SwansFan]

Yeah he did that a lot last season with us. Saying we were on top of a game when we were 2-0 down, saying we competed with a good team despite [enter excuse - injuries/tiredness/poor transfer window/young team/early in the process], dismissing goals conceded as being irrelevant because it was 'from a corner', 'a stupid mistake', 'on the break' etc.

 

Absolute madman and chancer.

[imadirtyurchin]

thought id post here too: maybe more appropriate

 

ive just watched RM's after match interview. I think he's just had his own nathan jones moment. utterly delusional.

*"much better performance than sunderland"

*"that we were on top second half and that we just didn't take our chances"

*that hes proud of the players (twice)

*If we move the ball like that and play like that then we'll be more thank OK" (is this where were aiming?

*that there was no real difference between the teams...

 

absolutely no awareness at all. (very very concerning)

[BotleySaint]

Martin has no decent track record to show he's a good manager. Why did the club think it would be any different here? How many more heavy defeats will they take and still back him? 

He's deluded. Talking about learning lessons and wanting to bounce back. Like we did after Sunderland? He's proud of the players for losing 4-1? 

Edited 15 September, 2023 by BotleySaint

[Saint86]

1 minute ago, imadirtyurchin said:

thought id post here too: maybe more appropriate

 

ive just watched RM's after match interview. I think he's just had his own nathan jones moment. utterly delusional.

*"much better performance than sunderland"

*"that we were on top second half and that we just didn't take our chances"

*that hes proud of the players (twice)

*If we move the ball like that and play like that then we'll be more thank OK" (is this where were aiming?

*that there was no real difference between the teams...

 

absolutely no awareness at all. (very very concerning)

Its the bit where he said the fans were naive for expecting better that really reminded me of Nathan Jones. Pressure is getting to him already. 

Edited 15 September, 2023 by Saint86

[Pamplemousse]

Lose against Ipswich and yes we should sack him.

We've been found out and if it happens again Wilcox has to act.

[Dr Who?]

“The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results“ 

[Saint Scott]

2 minutes ago, imadirtyurchin said:

thought id post here too: maybe more appropriate

 

ive just watched RM's after match interview. I think he's just had his own nathan jones moment. utterly delusional.

*"much better performance than sunderland"

*"that we were on top second half and that we just didn't take our chances"

*that hes proud of the players (twice)

*If we move the ball like that and play like that then we'll be more thank OK" (is this where were aiming?

*that there was no real difference between the teams...

 

absolutely no awareness at all. (very very concerning)

Glad the manager and players are on the same page then. Oh wait...

[SwansFan]

He was like that with us. That bit about people looking at the score line and taking what they want from it, he said a similar thing when we'd won 3 times in 21 games last season. When he was asked about it, he referred to it as a 'lazy narrative'.

[LGTL]

Having a go at the fans already after losing 9-1 in two games at this level. Incredible 

[Pamplemousse]

4 minutes ago, imadirtyurchin said:

thought id post here too: maybe more appropriate

 

ive just watched RM's after match interview. I think he's just had his own nathan jones moment. utterly delusional.

*"much better performance than sunderland"

*"that we were on top second half and that we just didn't take our chances"

*that hes proud of the players (twice)

*If we move the ball like that and play like that then we'll be more thank OK" (is this where were aiming?

*that there was no real difference between the teams...

 

absolutely no awareness at all. (very very concerning)

To be fair, he is right. Before their fourth we were well on top in the second half. After that it was game over.

However, what he fails to address is the terrible start and the position we've found ourselves in, again.

[JRM]

1 minute ago, LGTL said:

Having a go at the fans already after losing 9-1 in two games at this level. Incredible 

Think that's the end for him 

[Golac's Cunning Stunts]

Just now, Pamplemousse said:

To be fair, he is right. Before their fourth we were well on top in the second half. After that it was game over.

However, what he fails to address is the terrible start and the position we've found ourselves in, again.

Sorry, but no. He should be coming out and apologising to the fans, not saying we are naive in not expecting to concede 9 fricking goals in 2 games 

[Dman]

3 minutes ago, Pamplemousse said:

To be fair, he is right. Before their fourth we were well on top in the second half. After that it was game over.

However, what he fails to address is the terrible start and the position we've found ourselves in, again.

The game was over when they scored their 3rd before half time. We were on top because they took their foot off the gas. 

[imadirtyurchin]

1 minute ago, Pamplemousse said:

To be fair, he is right. Before their fourth we were well on top in the second half. After that it was game over.

However, what he fails to address is the terrible start and the position we've found ourselves in, again.

i can't class as "on top" when we've barely created a chance that wasn't a long shot all game. Ryan Fraser chance the exception. also passes and meaningless possession don't mean anything when you're 3-1 down. thats just game management from leicester - be compact and make us play in front of them and hit us on the break. i think they had other chances during that period too, before they scored.

[BotleySaint]

To say we are naive is idiotic. Is he saying that we should have expected to concede 9 in two games and all his build up about learning lessons and having a reset after Sunderland, was just cloak and daggers? As if he expected this result today. 

Edited 15 September, 2023 by BotleySaint

[imadirtyurchin]

I'm not even sure i want him sacked yet.just that interview really concerns me - just as much as the goals we've conceded (again)

 

[Wiggles31]

I have not seen a worse defensive performance in any game for a long time. The full backs are non existent, the tracking of runs doesn’t happen. The whole 11 forward on corners is baffling. It’s a complete mess. They should have scored 6 or 7. And his interview shows he’s lost it already. 16 goals in 6 games is pathetic. There is no excuse with the squad we have here. The players are not the issue (for once) but the manager. Terrible appointment. 

[Golac's Cunning Stunts]

Just now, Wiggles31 said:

I have not seen a worse defensive performance in any game for a long time. The full backs are non existent, the tracking of runs doesn’t happen. The whole 11 forward on corners is baffling. It’s a complete mess. They should have scored 6 or 7. And his interview shows he’s lost it already. 16 goals in 6 games is pathetic. There is no excuse with the squad we have here. The players are not the issue (for once) but the manager. Terrible appointment. 

I haven't seen a worse defensive performance since the Sunderland game

[ally_uk]

Is it Sports Republic pulling the strings and telling the managers to play a specific way? 

Why the inability to be more flexible in terms of tactical setup and reaction to the game in progress. 

I'd rather have Ralph back than this clown.... 

[Saint NL]

3 minutes ago, ally_uk said:

I'd rather have Ralph back than this clown.... 

Claude Puel is looking pretty good right now 🤣

[Golac's Cunning Stunts]

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Edited 15 September, 2023 by Golac's Cunning Stunts
Not being able to read very well

[AlexLaw76]

4 minutes ago, ally_uk said:

Is it Sports Republic pulling the strings and telling the managers to play a specific way? 

Why the inability to be more flexible in terms of tactical setup and reaction to the game in progress. 

I'd rather have Ralph back than this clown.... 

might as well get Ralph back. He is still on the payroll, right?

[LGTL]

Fuck me Ralph would be a rolls royce compared to this idiot. Our appointments since him are an utter disgrace. 

[Golac's Cunning Stunts]

1 minute ago, AlexLaw76 said:

might as well get Ralph back. He is still on the payroll, right?

Even get a dream team of ralph, mad nate 1.0 and mad nate 2.0?

[Long Shot]

I am waiting for the morning when all the Martin supporters mount their fight back. It always happens. Everyone is angry tonight and calling for the managers head. Tomorrow all the apologists will start their campaign. “Give the bloke a chance”! “ you can’t sake a guy after 6 games - it’s madness”” etc etc. I know for sure Martin was a big mistake on a par with Jones. SD are utterly incompetent. Since they arrived 2 years ago we have plummeted. 
so we are stuck with useless owners, a useless manager who only impressed the sycophantic journalists. What an utter mess. 

[woodsaint1]

48 minutes ago, sydney_saint said:

I'm not against project managers. Sometimes it takes a bit longer to implement new ideas and clean out a club. I would happily sacrifice this season for the right manager and right style of play that can deliver long term success. 

The issue with Martin is how do we know this is going to get better? How do we know his 'philosophy' actually works? Right now it seems pretty simple to play against. Let us tap it around, and then hit us with pace on the counter. 

If you look at Ange at spurs, sure it is a big step up from Celtic and his other clubs. But his style has delivered results elsewhere even if at a lower level so there was always going to be something to hold onto. Martin hasn't got any notable success, and has the luxury of working with one of the most resourced clubs in the division. He is now officially under pressure, as if we have nothing to hold onto with either past success, or progress on the pitch, then why should he be given extra time for the sake of extra time?

Lets bring mad Nate back again, he delivered results at a lower level

[Crab Lungs]

He sounds like someone scared to put a rocket up those players as he knows he’s the one to blame, so is still doing the pally pally act.

[Lee On Solent Saint]

17 minutes ago, Dr Who? said:

“The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results“ 

We've been following this mantra for years as a club. Same shit, just different people.

[Dman]

3 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

might as well get Ralph back. He is still on the payroll, right?

His time was up, I wanted him gone, but I'd geninely have the bloke back I think. 

For all his flaws, at least we looked like a competantly coached side. 

[Saint NL]

Anyone else really looking forward to Tuesday now?

You've got to hand it to Russ, there's a real random element to the games instead of the predictable shit of last season. Will we dominate possession and look like superstars, or play like a tyro league under 10s team? Who knows, tune in on Tuesday and find out.

 

Spoiler: it's the under 10s team.

[trousers]

Forum regulars will know that, historically, I'm a pragmatist / benefit-of-the-doubt kinda guy, but after tonight I've seen enough.... Martin is quite clearly out of his depth and we need to replace with the likes of Graham Potter sharpish before it's too late.

However, given the recent Jason "everything is rosey" Wilcox interviews, the chances of anything changing are are slim to zero, alas...

Edited 15 September, 2023 by trousers

[Saint86]

22 minutes ago, Dr Who? said:

“The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results“ 

Einstein was naive though...

[Chris cooper]

So come on then someone do a poll 

Martin has to go now in my eyes .. before Ipswich Tuesday !!! 
 

sack him !!!! 👎🏻

[stevy777_x]

You wet fannies are the worst bunch of effing fickle supporters i ve ever seen.

[Master Bates]

I said it would be sh8.

[Master Bates]

Just now, stevy777_x said:

You wet fannies are the worst bunch of effing fickle supporters i ve ever seen.

Technically you can't see us.

[OttawaSaint]

I hated this appointment the moment I heard passing around in our box.

 

Bin him!

[Osvaldorama]

No one at this club has any idea what they’re doing. 
 

Especially Martin. Tonight was as bad as it gets really. Can’t believe it. 
 

Not calling for him to go yet, but. I can’t believe what I’ve seen and heard tonight.  

Edited 15 September, 2023 by Osvaldorama

[CB Fry]

He's not going to be sacked. Yet. Bare minimum he has the next four taking him to Stoke in October.

Home vs Rotherham immediately after that is a lovely piece of piss first game for a new manager/caretaker.

[Toussaint]

Get Nate back 

[Katalinic]

The third time now the owners/board have tried to be clever with an appointment and fucked it up.  

[Patrick Bateman]

No - I've seen enough. You play to your team strengths and weaknesses. This teams weakness is defending - so don't fucking play from the back, don't fanny around with weird positions and inverse fucking full back sweeper number 10, 8, 6 sweepers or whatever the shit they are.  Defend.  Break, quickly.  Bye.  Shame though.

 

[Andrew Watson]

What happened to the 68 percent each possession CB ? Do you think that you can answer that without your normal  vitriol,or are you going to rip into an OAP ? As for your Rotherham comment what makes you think that we will beat them,they have one thing we do not -  team spirit. No more posts left now. Anger management is always an option.

[Appy]

18 minutes ago, trousers said:

Forum regulars will know that, historically, I'm a pragmatist / benefit-of-the-doubt kinda guy, but after tonight I've seen enough.... Martin is quite clearly out of his depth and we need to replace with the likes of Graham Potter sharpish before it's too late.

However, given the recent Jason "everything is rosey" Wilcox interviews, the chances of anything changing are are slim to zero, alas...

Potter? Oh yeah he’d jump at the chance. 
 

At least suggest someone realistic. 

[Whitey Grandad]

1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Not so much that, but just fecking piss easy against us on the break. When I say piss easy, it is an embarrassment to the professional game. Look at Leicester's 4th, they were 3-on-1 with our keeper from 25 yards inside their own half.

But I guess you have the lived experience.

That almost never happens in professional football. Three players break clear with only the keeper to beat.

[revolution saint]

Not calling for his head yet but I expect him to start changing things pretty quickly.  I've not seen the post match interviews - just the quotes on here but he should be taking full responsibility and definitely shouldn't be happy with either that performance or the number of goals we've let in over the season so far.  He absolutely needs to fix that and that means none of this inverted fullback rubbish and none of this pathetic passing around the back to invite pressure until we're actually good enough to do it.

We can still play a possession based game and I've no problem with that but it doesn't have to be with this structure and this formation.  The squad we have is comfortably one of the best in the division.  We shouldn't be conceding this number of goals and he needs to be pragmatic and deal with it.  If he thinks this is just one big experiment to highlight how much he thinks out of the box then he can do one and manage a mythological club in a mythological division where results don't count.

[Sarisbury Saint]

That was without doubt Martins fault tonight. Crap set up and crap tactics that everyone watching could see apart from the deluded Martin.

Also, can we get players with a bit of steel into the team.  That midfield is a bunch of lightweight nancies who are to scared to tackle.

 

[Wade Garrett]

No point sacking him.  Every time SR sack a manager, they appoint a worst one.

 

[S-Clarke]

The last two games are on him, because our out of possession shape has been inept in both of them. We cannot, we simply cannot, allow teams to have the freedom to break on us like we're giving. It's basic, it's kid playground stuff, 5-a-side stuff. I just don't understand why. Opposition managers will look at it and stick their quick players up, tackle us, and then they're away because we're so high with everyone all over the shop.

I'm not on board with the ''EVERYONE OUT'' chatter, because it's ridiculous this early on, but we can certainly voice our concerns and hope he has it in him to fix it. This club has been on a slide for many, many, many years now - it's boring now, but at least we're consistent at something - losing games of football at home, it's a soul destroying experience going to St Mary's and has been since 2016. So I guess it's not going to change overnight, seemingly even with a new 11.

What worried me is that we didn't learn anything from Sunderland. Ipswich have pace and attacking quality too, so if we do the same thing against them they will equally pick us off and it will be a similar score line. We need a midfield to start with, them we may have a basis to build from - but he needs to start sticking Charles in there and keeping him in there, he's our only hope.

[ally_uk]

Someone get on the blower to Allardyce. 

Least we wouldn't be facking about pretending we are Man City trying to play Tiki-taka at every given opportunity... 

Least he would get the defence organised and actually set the team up with some form of shape and cohesion. 

That's what we need a manager who can actually organise a team. Not these hipster / big heads thinking they are the next Guardiola's and have the tactical gifts and philosophies to dazzle..

For it to become soon apparent that these melons couldn't manage a hot drink on a cold day let alone a facking football team chasing promotion....

Get someone in with a bit of heart and bollacks and who isn't going to mess around being soft and  pals with the players. We need someone who isn't afraid to cut loose with the hairdryer treatment when we suffer a battering.... Someone who will really shake things up and fire a rocket up the arses of the players and even the board members.... 

Otherwise league 1 incoming