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19 minutes ago, east-stand-nic said:

Math equation time. Does anyone on this forum believe with a good Manager this squad could get 46 points over 38 games. I think probably yes.

I figure 33/34 points will be about enough to stay up. So, we need another 28-29 points from 23 games; around 1.2 points per game. I believe a decent manager, Moyes, Potter, AN other etc., could average 1.2 points per game from now to the end of the season. So, why is everyone saying we are nailed on down? Yes, if RM remains in charge we are 100% down. But IF we make a good change I think we could still do it.

Don't forget it would take a new manager a run of games to purge RM's ways from the team.

Even if the new person had an immediate effect we'd still need the form of a 50 point season over the next 23 games just to be in the mix.

It's not impossible but the slope is already very steep.

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TalkSport were just talking about Saints.Jim White who seems to be close to dragon said the owners are aware he is losing the fans and feel he needs the support of the fans. He clearly doesn't have the fans have a feeling Sunday will be his last game. 

Jog on and humiliate someone else Russell!!! 

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21 minutes ago, St Lej said:

TalkSport were just talking about Saints.Jim White who seems to be close to dragon said the owners are aware he is losing the fans and feel he needs the support of the fans. He clearly doesn't have the fans have a feeling Sunday will be his last game. 

Jog on and humiliate someone else Russell!!! 

If the board are going to keep him regardless, they have managed it horrifically. There has been zero management of fan expectations - no plan or communication etc set out, they're allowing negativity and toxicity to creep in, and they're hanging the bloke out to face the music every week. Board need to own the decision if that's what it is. Martin would get us promoted again next year if suitably backed and if the fan relationship isn't in tatters... But the latter is very questionable now.

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25 minutes ago, St Lej said:

TalkSport were just talking about Saints.Jim White who seems to be close to dragon said the owners are aware he is losing the fans and feel he needs the support of the fans. He clearly doesn't have the fans have a feeling Sunday will be his last game. 

Jog on and humiliate someone else Russell!!! 

Jim White thinks he's close to every ownner/chairman in the leaue. Every day he says he's spoken to or had a message from *insert name" from *insert club*. Think's he's more important than he is!

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7 minutes ago, Saint86 said:

If the board are going to keep him regardless, they have managed it horrifically. There has been zero management of fan expectations - no plan or communication etc set out, they're allowing negativity and toxicity to creep in, and they're hanging the bloke out to face the music every week. Board need to own the decision if that's what it is. Martin would get us promoted again next year if suitably backed and if the fan relationship isn't in tatters... But the latter is very questionable now.

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21 minutes ago, Saint86 said:

If the board are going to keep him regardless, they have managed it horrifically. There has been zero management of fan expectations - no plan or communication etc set out, they're allowing negativity and toxicity to creep in, and they're hanging the bloke out to face the music every week. Board need to own the decision if that's what it is. Martin would get us promoted again next year if suitably backed and if the fan relationship isn't in tatters... But the latter is very questionable now.

I was going to click like on this post as 95% I agree with but I’m sorry, I can’t agree and the vast majority of Saints fans won’t agree that he would get us promoted again. It was touch and go last time and he hasn’t shown anything this season suggesting he’s improved. That football creates far too many errors even at second tier level to get the 90-100 points needed for autos. 60+ conceded smashes the argument that he’s good at that level and Swansea leaked like crazy too.

Plus the supporters are lost to his cause bar a few oddballs and the players will have a lot more than scar tissue this time around. 

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Holmes_and_Watson

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12 minutes ago, franniesTache said:

Heard a rumour that only teams are being relegated this season as one of the relegations spots is being taken by us, and another by Martin's ego

18. Russell's self importance.
19. Southampton
20. Manchester City (minus 200 points for financial breaches)

It's not looking good for possession based football. I hope our health service is prepared for the surge in people coming out of comas, when it's gone. 🙂

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Gloucester Saint

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13 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Not getting rid of Martin, quelle surprise. 

I wonder what strategy that pushes us towards...

I don’t think they have one. Parsons is horribly out of his depth, we need a reincarnated John Williams type CEO. Also need a DoF and new first team manager. At SR, urgently needs a reshuffle with the Danish duo dissolved out of it replaced by more top level football expertise.

Just football expertise needed at all levels of SFC and Valenciennes. If Dragan can’t bear to part from Rasmus then make him Goztepe CEO but keep him totally separate from the other two clubs and no voting rights etc over manager hires and player recruitment.

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Gloucester Saint

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20 minutes ago, Dirkdiggler said:

Also now picked up in the scum news paper IMG_2518.thumb.jpeg.0dcfff4a9c8b6b6fa40cbdfff491efa5.jpeg

If there is a club insider on here - not the toadying, forelock tugging PR types who post on here - someone needs to get this cut out and posted all over Staplewood. Undermine the fucker further. It might save your job in the longer run so something in it for you as well as the survival of the club.

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Gloucester Saint

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1 hour ago, Cabrone said:

Don't forget it would take a new manager a run of games to purge RM's ways from the team.

Even if the new person had an immediate effect we'd still need the form of a 50 point season over the next 23 games just to be in the mix.

It's not impossible but the slope is already very steep.

And the fitness, which is terrible for PL levels. Would need to be Poch style double training sessions with the muscle injury risk it would bring as Nigel had the 12/13 squad much fitter than now. 

As for that UI article - Nick is normally pro-club, lose him and that’s a very bad benchmark for both Martin and Parsons’ career prospects. Phil should get rid to save his own skin even if he doesn’t give a shit about the club. 

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Football Special

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1 minute ago, Gloucester Saint said:

I don’t think they have one. Parsons is horribly out of his depth, we need a reincarnated John Williams type CEO. Also need a DoF and new first team manager. At SR, urgently needs a reshuffle with the Danish duo dissolved out of it replaced by more top level football expertise.

Just football expertise needed at all levels of SFC and Valenciennes. If Dragan can’t bear to part from Rasmus then make him Goztepe CEO but keep him totally separate from the other two clubs and no voting rights etc over manager hires and player recruitment.

There's a huge gap in football knowledge at that level, they must know it. 

A few weeks back the word around Staplewood was Martin had the backing of the board and was still part of long term plans, so I'm not surprised that he's still here. 

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8 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

And the fitness, which is terrible for PL levels. Would need to be Poch style double training sessions with the muscle injury risk it would bring as Nigel had the 12/13 squad much fitter than now. 

As for that UI article - Nick is normally pro-club, lose him and that’s a very bad benchmark for both Martin and Parsons’ career prospects. Phil should get rid to save his own skin even if he doesn’t give a shit about the club. 

I agree, this side is so unfit it's scary, way short of what it requires.

It's all too late anyway. We are down and it's not even Xmas. It's going to be a long old slog to the end of this season.

I don't think I have ever been as depressed as a saints fan as I am now.

 

This season will go down in history, how many records we break now remain to be seen. The damage that has been done will take years to recover from. 

 

 

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Surely they can't be expecting Martin to manage us when we go down??? Only our club and fans would accept a manager that relegated us staying in position in the vain hope that he gets lucky again! Only to be hopelessly out of his depth in the premier league again........The very definition of insanity 

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57 minutes ago, BranfootsLoveChild said:

Jim White thinks he's close to every ownner/chairman in the leaue. Every day he says he's spoken to or had a message from *insert name" from *insert club*. Think's he's more important than he is!

Its quite possible he is. He is a very prominent football anchor and its entirely believable he gets fed information from senior sources..

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1 hour ago, Saint86 said:

If the board are going to keep him regardless, they have managed it horrifically. There has been zero management of fan expectations - no plan or communication etc set out, they're allowing negativity and toxicity to creep in, and they're hanging the bloke out to face the music every week. Board need to own the decision if that's what it is. Martin would get us promoted again next year if suitably backed and if the fan relationship isn't in tatters... But the latter is very questionable now.

The stars aligned for him last season, that will never happen again. 

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1 hour ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

What a load of old pony. 

Not  so sure. In the same way that Adam Armstrong is a great Championship striker, but a pretty useless Prem one, I think that RM could do a decent job of getting clubs promoted.....just hasn't got it when it comes to the Prem.

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Over the years we have witnessed a lot of low times ie our first relegation under McMenemy, the Branfoot days and then of course the lead up to administration and our fall into the third tier. But I think I can honestly say I have never felt the embarrassment I currently feel as a Saints fan.

Other football fans aren't looking at us and saying what a wonderful club Southampton are, they are so loyal to their managers. Far from it. They look at us and our record and shake their heads and say what on earth is going on at your club and I have no answer other than to say we have a manager who everyone inc the owners know is not up to the job and yet we can't afford to sack him.

As fans we have no right to expect to be successful, we have no right to see enjoyable exciting football week in week out, we have no right to expect the owners to lash out on big names in the transfer window, but we do have the right to ask that we are not embarrassed to be a Southampton fan. 

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12 minutes ago, Fitzhugh Fella said:

Over the years we have witnessed a lot of low times ie our first relegation under McMenemy, the Branfoot days and then of course the lead up to administration and our fall into the third tier. But I think I can honestly say I have never felt the embarrassment I currently feel as a Saints fan.

Other football fans aren't looking at us and saying what a wonderful club Southampton are, they are so loyal to their managers. Far from it. They look at us and our record and shake their heads and say what on earth is going on at your club and I have no answer other than to say we have a manager who everyone inc the owners know is not up to the job and yet we can't afford to sack him.

As fans we have no right to expect to be successful, we have no right to see enjoyable exciting football week in week out, we have no right to expect the owners to lash out on big names in the transfer window, but we do have the right to ask that we are not embarrassed to be a Southampton fan. 

I could not agree more than this. I wasn't around for the McMenemy days but I was for the Branfoot days and they were dire.

I fear for our club and where we are going, as it stands the Sky Bet Championship and a local derby with our bitter rivals. 

We are being embarrassed and humiliated for the whole world to see. 

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1 hour ago, Mr X said:

Surely they can't be expecting Martin to manage us when we go down??? Only our club and fans would accept a manager that relegated us staying in position in the vain hope that he gets lucky again! Only to be hopelessly out of his depth in the premier league again........The very definition of insanity 

Didn't that happen with Chris Wilder at Sheffield Utd?

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2 hours ago, Saint86 said:

Martin would get us promoted again next year if suitably backed and if the fan relationship isn't in tatters...

No he wouldn't. He lucked out last time, lightning rarely strikes twice. Even average Championship teams sussed him out in 23/24, and it will be yet another season of defensive cockups and averaging 1.5 goals per game conceded.

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37 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Didn't that happen with Chris Wilder at Sheffield Utd?

They sacked Heckingbottom early Dec last season, Wilder came back and tried to keep them up but the damage was done - but they kept him on this season as they made a better fist of it under him, albeit futile.

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On another note…. There’s a woman on deal or no deal who’s a saints fan!!

She won’t win anything though … she’ll play safe for a £100 win and then make a complete cock up and go home with 1p… 

she’s probably got a decent beard though and called Russell.

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Just now, madge said:

On another note…. There’s a woman on deal or no deal who’s a saints fan!!

She won’t win anything though … she’ll play safe for a £100 win and then make a complete cock up and go home with 1p… 

she’s probably got a decent beard though and called Russell.

I just saw that. What's the difference between Southampton and Cinderella, never liked Stephen Mulhern. 

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4 hours ago, Cabrone said:

Don't forget it would take a new manager a run of games to purge RM's ways from the team.

Even if the new person had an immediate effect we'd still need the form of a 50 point season over the next 23 games just to be in the mix.

It's not impossible but the slope is already very steep.

I don’t think it would. You can tell this squad isn’t comfortable / doesn’t believe they can play this style at this level. 
 

1 bit of encouragement to ‘fucking get rid’ and they’d jump at it 

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