Russell Martin

[Fabrice29]

2 minutes ago, RedArmy said:

No. You’d have to be a mong to think that. 

Mong ffs. Really good stuff. 

[Toussaint]

29 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

Interesting debate whether the club should be run to appease fans or whether the day to day people at the club should be appeased. Think there’s no doubt sacking Martin now would appease fans and make vibes in the stands better but by all accounts the people at the club and training ground quite clearly like the man and his work.

Why would they like his work?

[RedArmy]

2 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

Mong ffs. Really good stuff. 

Showing off your PR training there, Sibs. 

[Fabrice29]

Just now, RedArmy said:

Showing off your PR training there, Sibs. 

I don’t think you need PR training or to be ‘Sibs’ to know that you probably shouldn’t be using the word mong pal. Just a normal human being should do it.

[RedArmy]

1 minute ago, Fabrice29 said:

I don’t think you need PR training or to be ‘Sibs’ to know that you probably shouldn’t be using the word mong pal. Just a normal human being should do it.

No worries Jordy, I’ll stick to “cunt” in future. 

[64saint]

Time sort of heals and covers the scars but Branfoot era was pretty horrendous with huge protests in the carpark after games etc. The abuse thrown at him as he walked down the touch line.  Of course no social media in those days but the hatred towards that guy !!  For those old enough to remember, is it worse now ? Or were we more passionate  back in the day showing our hatred and more likely to let our feelings be heard .

I'm not so sure !!

Edited 7 December, 2024 by 64saint

[Saint_lambden]

In not sacking Martin, Ankersen seems to have gone from “If it’s not broken, break it” to “If it’s broken, don’t try and fix it”.

 

[lambtiss]

1 minute ago, Saint_lambden said:

In not sacking Martin, Ankersen seems to have gone from “If it’s not broken, break it” to “If it’s broken, don’t try and fix it”.

 

I don't think he thought it out beyond "break it" 

[SWLondon Saint]

12 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

😂 Other than working for the club or post on here for a reaction is it not just possible that I think the guy has done a good job and that sacking him might be a bit short sighted and not be the immediate answer to bad results? 

Um... what exactly about acquiring points at a rate which would make him the 2nd worst premier league manager in history (projected points:14) and having equalled the most goals given away through mistakes in an entire season (10) when we're not even halfway through says 'doing a good job' to you?

[Lee On Solent Saint]

17 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

😂 Other than working for the club or post on here for a reaction is it not just possible that I think the guy has done a good job and that sacking him might be a bit short sighted and not be the immediate answer to bad results? 

That's the funniest thing I've heard in weeks, You should consider a career change and go into stand up comedy

[Fabrice29]

3 minutes ago, Toussaint said:

Why would they like his work?

I’m not sure because despite popular belief I don’t work there but all the players do seem to be behind him don’t you think? I get that people think it’s a PR drive etc but players don’t need to be so effusive about the manager or the work they do, it’s not exactly cliche praise in the media from THB this week is it? We also don’t hear bad vibes from the club like we have in previous years. Last time we were getting related the club captain was actively talking about wanting European football before the end of the season, players were leaving on loan because of fall outs with the managers. There’s no real evidence of that now (ABK aside). Maybe I’m wrong and when he goes we’ll hear how terrible it was. 

[Fabrice29]

3 minutes ago, SWLondon Saint said:

Um... what exactly about acquiring points at a rate which would make him the 2nd worst premier league manager in history (projected points:14) and having equalled the most goals given away through mistakes in an entire season (10) when we're not even halfway through says 'doing a good job' to you?

Yeah, see, this seems to be a regular thing, just focusing on the now. Which is fine because it’s obviously the most important part but there was a pretty massive rebuilding job to be done last year both on and off the field and the manager was a part of that which does seem to be forgotten or dismissed as ‘lucky’.

[coalman]

On the plus side I think we're due the full Nathan Jones meltdown in the near future. The bearded excuse monkey has run out of ideas and is getting tetchy with his own support. Trying to claim that cheering a keeper clearance led to their goal rather than the two defenders that failed simple interceptions is a new level of delusion. Expect Lineker and call to call him on that later. Which will provoke its own hissy fit.

[Lee On Solent Saint]

17 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

😂 Other than working for the club or post on here for a reaction is it not just possible that I think the guy has done a good job and that sacking him might be a bit short sighted and not be the immediate answer to bad results? 

That's the funniest thing I've heard in weeks, You should consider a career change and go into stand up comedy

[coalman]

1 minute ago, Fabrice29 said:

Yeah, see, this seems to be a regular thing, just focusing on the now. Which is fine because it’s obviously the most important part but there was a pretty massive rebuilding job to be done last year both on and off the field and the manager was a part of that which does seem to be forgotten or dismissed as ‘lucky’.

And hostages have wound up relating to their captors too. They wouldn't do that unless they really believed in them.

[Fabrice29]

Just now, Lee On Solent Saint said:

That's the funniest thing I've heard in weeks, You should consider a career change and go into stand up comedy

Keep posting the same thing mate. Definitely proving yourself not to be angry. 

[Football Special]

2 hours ago, whelk said:

Heard direct from a Saints first team player that ABK is the worst professional he has ever played with. Martin is completely useless but by sounds of it not many managers would tolerate him

I've heard similar,  there's more issues there than just the manager wanting to play him 

[SNSUN]

The only manager I've ever really wanted gone before was Pellegrino but with Russ I'll be happier with his sacking than with anyone else. I don't hate his philosophy, he's just doing it with the wrong team, the wrong players and he's too egotistical and stubborn to change his ways to best suit us. 

 

Who for? I don't even care, I will welcome the change.

[Colinjb]

26 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

 is it not just possible that I think the guy has done a good job and that sacking him might be a bit short sighted and not be the immediate answer to bad results? 

No, sticking with the man who has us on 5 points as Christmas approaches, 1 point behind the worst ever side to grace the premier league at this stage of the season, who shows no signs of adaptability is clearly the right approach.

[AlexLaw76]

1 minute ago, SNSUN said:

The only manager I've ever really wanted gone before was Pellegrino but with Russ I'll be happier with his sacking than with anyone else. I don't hate his philosophy, he's just doing it with the wrong team, the wrong players and he's too egotistical and stubborn to change his ways to best suit us. 

 

Who for? I don't even care, I will welcome the change.

I think he is an incredibly limited manager, who barely knows 1 style to play

[Jack]

2 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

Yeah, see, this seems to be a regular thing, just focusing on the now. Which is fine because it’s obviously the most important part but there was a pretty massive rebuilding job to be done last year both on and off the field and the manager was a part of that which does seem to be forgotten or dismissed as ‘lucky’.

It could be argued that the “massive rebuilding job” was going moderately successfully, if we hadn’t throw away so many points by the outrageous commitment to a tactical approach that clearly isn’t fit for purpose with this squad. 
 

People aren’t arguing that it was going to be tough, and our squad could be better, but we’ve given ourselves absolutely no chance and the season was a write off by November because of your mate Russell’s vanity project and stubborn obsession with fucking about at the back for no gain. We’ve made a difficult job absolutely impossible by sticking with it, and him. 

[tdmickey3]

31 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

Talking of things that are definite would you like me to drag up the posts from you stating we definitely wouldn’t get promoted last season again? You’re not exactly the greatest of minds fella.

If you like, I don’t give a shit.

We were promoted, just, with one of the best championship squads so we should have been top 3 but we managed to do so, the resident clown had to change the style because the hopeless Bazuna hurt himself. Truth is you would not be so gobbyif we failed.

Failure will be on the cards if we keep the idiot next season and we won’t hear your crap then
 

Talking of minds,yours is determined by your employer, try thinking for yourself for once

Edited 7 December, 2024 by tdmickey3

[SWLondon Saint]

3 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

Yeah, see, this seems to be a regular thing, just focusing on the now. Which is fine because it’s obviously the most important part but there was a pretty massive rebuilding job to be done last year both on and off the field and the manager was a part of that which does seem to be forgotten or dismissed as ‘lucky’.

Well, there'll be an even bigger rebuilding job to do next season if we carry on at this rate. You honestly expect a team who lose close to 30 games in a season to be completely fine the season after?

If you remember, a significant number of the games in the unbeaten run we definitely were lucky - last minute equalisers and winners. We haven't had any of those this season except Ipswich. And the massive number of goals we shipped last season in the championship worried a lot of people even then.

[miserableoldgit]

54 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

Interesting debate whether the club should be run to appease fans or whether the day to day people at the club should be appeased. Think there’s no doubt sacking Martin now would appease fans and make vibes in the stands better but by all accounts the people at the club and training ground quite clearly like the man and his work.

Here's a novel idea. How about giving the "customers" what they want? Surely any multi-million pound business should do that? Not many businesses give their customers exactly the opposite of what they want and expect to be successful.

[tdmickey3]

10 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

Keep posting the same thing mate. Definitely proving yourself not to be angry. 

Irrespective of whether he proving himself to be angry or not, you have categorically proved you are a prick

[skintsaint]

Should be sacked by midday tomorrow after todays result.

[Fabrice29]

5 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

If you like, I don’t give a shit.

We were promoted, just, with one of the best championship squads so we should have been top 3 but we managed to do so, the resident clown had to change the style because the hopeless Bazuna hurt himself. Truth is you would not be so gobbyif we failed.

Failure will be on the cards if we keep the idiot next season and we won’t hear your crap then
 

Talking of minds,yours is determined by your employer, try thinking for yourself for once

manager who did well wouldn’t be as liked if he didn’t do well isn’t the zinger you think it is. Clever clogs. 

4 minutes ago, SWLondon Saint said:

Well, there'll be an even bigger rebuilding job to do next season if we carry on at this rate. You honestly expect a team who lose close to 30 games in a season to be completely fine the season after?

If you remember, a significant number of the games in the unbeaten run we definitely were lucky - last minute equalisers and winners. We haven't had any of those this season except Ipswich. And the massive number of goals we shipped last season in the championship worried a lot of people even then.

Just for full clarity, I do not think RM should be or will be manager next season if we get relegated 👍

I do think this season is still up for grabs though and I do also think RM might be the best man for the job on that front but we are in desperate need of someone who can score goals at this level and I don’t think that changes if we get a new manager.

[Fabrice29]

5 minutes ago, miserableoldgit said:

Here's a novel idea. How about giving the "customers" what they want? Surely any multi-million pound business should do that? Not many businesses give their customers exactly the opposite of what they want and expect to be successful.

This is exactly what I wanted to discuss when I made this post btw. 

[tdmickey3]

17 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

That's the funniest thing I've heard in weeks, You should consider a career change and go into stand up comedy

 

1 minute ago, Fabrice29 said:

manager who did well wouldn’t be as liked if he didn’t do well isn’t the zinger you think it is. Clever clogs. 

Just for full clarity, I do not think RM should be or will be manager next season if we get relegated 👍

I do think this season is still up for grabs though and I do also think RM might be the best man for the job on that front but we are in desperate need of someone who can score goals at this level and I don’t think that changes if we get a new manager.

Someone turn the light on and this cockroach will run for the shadows 

[SaintsFan86]

A few posters on Twitter are typing out good bye messages to Russ, and even Adam Blackmore said earlier about a p45 by a comment he made about the fans. 

[Colinjb]

3 minutes ago, SaintsFan86 said:

A few posters on Twitter are typing out good bye messages to Russ, and even Adam Blackmore said earlier about a p45 by a comment he made about the fans. 

Surely not. Not a glimmer of hope?

[Wade Garrett]

3 minutes ago, SaintsFan86 said:

A few posters on Twitter are typing out good bye messages to Russ, and even Adam Blackmore said earlier about a p45 by a comment he made about the fans. 

He must be gone if Adam the Bootlicker is piping up.

[Fabrice29]

13 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

Irrespective of whether he proving himself to be angry or not, you have categorically proved you are a prick

Whereas your posting history on here has proven yourself to be a fascinating person with a real sense of knowledge when it comes to football.

On 22/03/2023 at 15:51, tdmickey3 said:

Lots of laughing emojis wont detract it from being the truth

 

On 16/05/2024 at 20:32, tdmickey3 said:

We won’t be beating Leeds in final if we get there, they will get a confidence boosting 4 nil

 

[SaintsFan86]

4 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

He must be gone if Adam the Bootlicker is piping up.

 

I so bloody hope so, I'm clutching.

[SWLondon Saint]

1 minute ago, Fabrice29 said:

Just for full clarity, I do not think RM should be or will be manager next season if we get relegated 👍

I do think this season is still up for grabs though and I do also think RM might be the best man for the job on that front but we are in desperate need of someone who can score goals at this level and I don’t think that changes if we get a new manager.

Historically, no team has ever survived having had only 5 points after 14 games so the fact is, we are already relegated. Having said that, ironically I don't think this is the moment to get a new manager in as it's so hopeless, there's no point getting him covered in the shit right now - once relegation is confirmed, possibly in record-breaking time in February, you want the new guy in to build for next season. A caretaker manager would be the best solution for a few months for that reason.

And there's not much point signing a striker the way we play - we don't create any chances! 

[Fabrice29]

2 minutes ago, SWLondon Saint said:

Historically, no team has ever survived having had only 5 points after 14 games so the fact is, we are already relegated. Having said that, ironically I don't think this is the moment to get a new manager in as it's so hopeless, there's no point getting him covered in the shit right now - once relegation is confirmed, possibly in record-breaking time in February, you want the new guy in to build for next season. A caretaker manager would be the best solution for a few months for that reason.

And there's not much point signing a striker the way we play - we don't create any chances! 

Think we’d create much more if we had a striker we could confidently play into personally. Never replaced Adams  qualities, especially when we missed out on Delap. 

[Colinjb]

1 minute ago, Fabrice29 said:

Think we’d create much more if we had a striker we could confidently play into personally. Never replaced Adams  qualities, especially when we missed out on Delap. 

I say this without sarcasm: His name is Paul Onuachu.

How he has been treated is disgraceful.

Edited 7 December, 2024 by Colinjb

[Golac's Cunning Stunts]

19 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

manager who did well wouldn’t be as liked if he didn’t do well isn’t the zinger you think it is. Clever clogs. 

Just for full clarity, I do not think RM should be or will be manager next season if we get relegated 👍

I do think this season is still up for grabs though and I do also think RM might be the best man for the job on that front but we are in desperate need of someone who can score goals at this level and I don’t think that changes if we get a new manager.

Absolute BS. What on earth do you base that on other than your own nonsense opinion not backed up by reality?

[derry]

If Martin is fired it's not before time and richly deserved. He didn't have to do a lot to improve the team, namely stop rotating the ball around our defensive area and presenting opponents with chances and goals. A more rigid back four and a high tempo press. He has reiterated continuously that he owes it to himself to continue his process. It might be a pleasant to practice it but it sure as hell isn't when playing competitively together with losing practically every week.

Players look like rabbits in the headlights as the passing gets quicker and the press tighter. Especially the goalkeeper to whom it is a nightmare. It has alienated the fans because unlike Martin the great majority can see that it is a nonsense and will never supply the defence we need nor lead to creating chances. The whole theory is a nonsense together with the hypocrisy from opposing managers who don't entertain playing like it.

[Osvaldorama]

What I can’t stand is the condescension from the club and Martin himself. 
 

Yes, we have never been the most successful club. But we have had some genuine world class managers and players here, so we know good football when we see it. 
 

Trying to tell us to be happy with the utter dog shit we are being forced to watch is absolutely pathetic. 

He has been completely found out. Tactically he is nowhere near premier league level. Many of us knew it from the very start of his tenure. It was right to give him a chance after he got us up. 
 

But he’s failed his audition spectacularly. The worst premier league manager of all time. Time to go Russ. 

[Toussaint]

46 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

I’m not sure because despite popular belief I don’t work there but all the players do seem to be behind him don’t you think? I get that people think it’s a PR drive etc but players don’t need to be so effusive about the manager or the work they do, it’s not exactly cliche praise in the media from THB this week is it? We also don’t hear bad vibes from the club like we have in previous years. Last time we were getting related the club captain was actively talking about wanting European football before the end of the season, players were leaving on loan because of fall outs with the managers. There’s no real evidence of that now (ABK aside). Maybe I’m wrong and when he goes we’ll hear how terrible it was. 

The good player relations and his popularity within the club hierarchy may be true, but where was coming from, in my experience, being nice and being popular will not prevent you losing your job when you are abjectly failing in your primary role.  This, one would reasonably assume to be, to amass enough points to remain in the premier league, or at least give it a really good go.

[Fabrice29]

2 minutes ago, Colinjb said:

I say this without sarcasm: His name is Paul Onuachu.

How he has been treated is disgraceful.

I’m not convinced a couple of impressive turns against Liverpool suggests he’s the answer but yeah maybe. 

6 minutes ago, Golac's Cunning Stunts said:

Absolute BS. What on earth do you base that on other than your own nonsense opinion not backed up by reality?

I’ve said this elsewhere but he’s got complete buy in from the squad from what I can tell and that’s a pretty good position to be in. But I’m happy to be proven wrong.

[Colinjb]

3 minutes ago, Toussaint said:

The good player relations and his popularity within the club hierarchy may be true, but where was coming from, in my experience, being nice and being popular will not prevent you losing your job when you are abjectly failing in your primary role.  This, one would reasonably assume to be, to amass enough points to remain in the premier league, or at least give it a really good go.

See: Steve Wigley.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

8 hours ago, Wade Garrett said:

It was Farke’s side at St Mary’s I was watching.   As the ridiculous football they played that night is so similar to us now, I assumed it was Farke’s influence on Martin that shaped his philosophy.

I suppose there were loads of div 1 sides back in the day playing PepBall .  Maybe Guardiola discovered it himself on a rainy night in Scunthorpe.

 

I watched a lot of Norwich under Farke. His system looked great as they had 2 very useful attacking full backs. They passed it out to either of those, to use as attacking outlets. They also depended a bit on having a decent creative central attacking midfielder, who could supply a central forward. Lots of players elsewhere playing to their limits, for a club that found it easier to renew their contracts than be able to afford upgrades.

Great when it worked. Dreadful when it got found out. Farke absolutely insisted on it regardless, and it drove their fans mad. Looking back, he shared an outlook with Martin, that overall it would be better his way than the alternative.

Differences were that Farke would look to use his attacking players to, well, attack. The others would do what they could. We, on the other hand have much better players on the whole playing in an extreme risk averse set up.

Martin used to be trotted out when it was going South and spout the same nonsense we're hearing from him now.

[Colinjb]

5 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

I’m not convinced a couple of impressive turns against Liverpool suggests he’s the answer but yeah maybe. 

He has scored 1 in 2 everywhere. Then he comes here, to be a square peg in a round hole. Doesn't complain, digs in and tries..... Basically never gets a proper go in a system that suits his skillset.

I admire the guy frankly. Must have incredible resilience to do that. Stay fit and then look so decent when he is finally given a go...... as a deep lying forward. Not the target man he clearly is best at.

Edited 7 December, 2024 by Colinjb

[Dragon_man]

What's the record number of games in a season without having a shot on target? We're up to 2 that i know of. 

... just something to go for I guess.

[RedArmy]

8 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

I’m not convinced a couple of impressive turns against Liverpool suggests he’s the answer but yeah maybe. 

I’ve said this elsewhere but he’s got complete buy in from the squad from what I can tell and that’s a pretty good position to be in. But I’m happy to be proven wrong.

Do you get paid overtime for this? 

[Fabrice29]

13 minutes ago, Colinjb said:

He has scored 1 in 2 everywhere. Then he comes here, to be a square peg in a round hole. Doesn't complain, digs in and tries..... Basically never gets a proper go in a system that suits his skillset.

I admire the guy frankly. Must have incredible resilience to do that. Stay fit and then look so decent when he is finally given a go...... as a deep lying forward. Not the target man he clearly is best at.

Well he does complain because a) he left and b) spent all summer trying to move again (I don't blame him on either of those things btw). I also don't think he's a target man because I've never been particularly impressed by him in the air. But yes, his resilience is impressive and when he's back hopefully we'll utilise him for the week or two before he probably leaves in January (as long as we get a replacement)

Edited 7 December, 2024 by Fabrice29

[Mr X]

47 minutes ago, skintsaint said:

Should be sacked by midday tomorrow after todays result.

We said that like 5 games ago and yet here we are 🙏

[SWLondon Saint]

One thing I'm wondering is if Martin has a relegation pay cut clause or something. So once relegation is confirmed it'll be cheaper to sack him...