Russell Martin

[Badger]

9 hours ago, Gloucester Saint said:

All the humility of Colonel Gadaffi. 

 

With Chemical Ali delivering the message

[Dman]

8 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

 

There’s not a chance the new guy gets patience after losing games on a regular basis for 4-5 months which will include mistakes from players similar to the ones made now and games where we look toothless in attack and games in which we get hammered. It’s not happening unless like Sheffield United you appoint someone with already a lot of good standing at the club. And that only happens if said person is so desperate to come back because of failings elsewhere. But anyway, you can all believe you’ll be super patient and great super fans if you like. I’ll just bring all your posts up again like I did last season when you all said we wouldn’t be promoted.  
 

Any new manager should be appointed with the aim of salvaging this season, which is possible, although would be helped by having players defend properly, pass the ball properly and a decent goal scoring option in January (which I’d rather spend any compensation money on personally).

Get RM’s cock out of your mouth, you cuck 

[Fabrice29]

3 minutes ago, Dman said:

Get RM’s cock out of your mouth, you cuck 

Literally one line of this was about RM and it was the idea that spending millions of pounds might be better served on getting a striker. 

[Whitey Grandad]

13 minutes ago, Dman said:

Some on here just cannot see the bigger picture.

It'd cost us £15m to sack him now and NOONE IN THE WORLD OF FOOTBALL WOULD WANT THIS JOB. We'll be getting £15m for him next season when Real Mardid come knocking... look at Komapny FFS!!! 

Sort term pain for long term gain in SR's quest to the be the best Yo-yo club in england. 

We are committed to that spend whether he's here or not. 

[Turkish]

9 minutes ago, Dman said:

Some on here just cannot see the bigger picture.

It'd cost us £15m to sack him now and NOONE IN THE WORLD OF FOOTBALL WOULD WANT THIS JOB. We'll be getting £15m for him next season when Real Mardid come knocking... look at Komapny FFS!!! 

Sort term pain for long term gain in SR's quest to the be the best Yo-yo club in england. 

Exactly this. People are obsessed with looking at short term results, not ALL the data. The actual score tells part of the story not all of it. 

[Saint Marky]

Russ is the Kier Starmer of football managers, next level solipsistic, self aggrandisement.

 

[Dman]

3 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

Literally one line of this was about RM and it was the idea that spending millions of pounds might be better served on getting a striker. 

I hate XG, it’s nonsense, but put it this way.. We have an xg of 1.08. We could stick Haaland up top and if we’re not getting him the ball in dangerous positions, we’re not going to score. 

If we continually pass the ball to opposition forwards in our 3rd of the pitch, we are going to concede.

Both of those are on the manager and his philosophy.  

[Whitey Grandad]

10 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

Just a reminder he was given the job in the championship, did it well enough to get promoted which in turn gets you to a higher level. That’s literally the way it works. 

Just because it worked out OK doesn't mean that it was the right way to do it. Basically,  he got lucky in more ways than one.

[CB Fry]

24 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

 

There’s not a chance the new guy gets patience after losing games on a regular basis for 4-5 months which will include mistakes from players similar to the ones made now and games where we look toothless in attack and games in which we get hammered. It’s not happening unless like Sheffield United you appoint someone with already a lot of good standing at the club. And that only happens if said person is so desperate to come back because of failings elsewhere. But anyway, you can all believe you’ll be super patient and great super fans if you like. I’ll just bring all your posts up again like I did last season when you all said we wouldn’t be promoted.  
 

Any new manager should be appointed with the aim of salvaging this season, which is possible, although would be helped by having players defend properly, pass the ball properly and a decent goal scoring option in January (which I’d rather spend any compensation money on personally).

I know you can't even process the concept but maybe Russell Martin's replacement is, you know, better?

Russell Martin is easily one of the worst Premier League managers of all time. So even if his replacement is utterly shit, he will still be delivering to the same standard Martin has achieved.

You're making out sacking wonderful Russell will leave us in a sea of regret while we pine for the genius we've lost. Nope. He's appalling, once he goes we never need think of him ever again.

Anyway, he'll be fine bEcAuSe hE'Ll gO tO sOmEoNe LiKe BaYeRn LiKE wHaT KoMpAnY dUN

Edited 5 December, 2024 by CB Fry

[Weston Super Saint]

2 hours ago, Turkish said:

He’s learning a lot. That’s why he’s still here 

trust the process 

It's also very brave to stick it out in a job that you are absolutely wank at doing, so there's that.

Edited 5 December, 2024 by Weston Super Saint

[CheshireSaint]

18 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

Just a reminder he was given the job in the championship, did it well enough to get promoted which in turn gets you to a higher level. That’s literally the way it works. 

99% of Managers would have got Saints up last season. The fact he nearly ballsed that up (and if Bazunu hadn't been injured, I firmly believe he would have) would suggest that he is, in fact a very limited Manager. Any doubts over his managerial ability have surely been proved now. All his teams concede above average goals. If that was offset by some good, precise play, resulting in a heap of goals at the other end, then that would be an argument but that isn't true. He plays possession for possession sake football with very little thrust. We all know this. He absolutely is in a job and league far beyond his ability. 

Edited 5 December, 2024 by CheshireSaint

[Fabrice29]

4 minutes ago, Dman said:

I hate XG, it’s nonsense, but put it this way.. We have an xg of 1.08. We could stick Haaland up top and if we’re not getting him the ball in dangerous positions, we’re not going to score. 

If we continually pass the ball to opposition forwards in our 3rd of the pitch, we are going to concede.

Both of those are on the manager and his philosophy.  

We literally gave the ball to opponents forwards last time we were in this league and we didn’t have this manager or philosophy. Did have some of the same players though. 

3 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

I know you can't even process the concept but maybe Russell Martin's replacement is, you know, better?

Russell Martin is easily one of the worst Premier League managers of all time. So even if his replacement is utterly shit, he will still be delivering to the same standard Martin has achieved.

You're making out sacking wonderful Russell will leave us in a sea of regret while we pine for the genius we've lost. Nope. He's appalling, once he goes we never need think of him ever again.

Anyway, he'll be fine bEcAuSe hE'Ll gO tO sOmEoNe LiKe BaYeRn LiKE wHaT KoMpAnY dUN

Yes maybe the new man will be better and we’ll make a go of staying up this season, successful or not. Which was my point. None of this ‘prepare for next season’ crap. 

And I’m not making out anyone will be pining for RM or that he’ll go to Bayern, I’m just of the belief he isn’t the problem but if he gets sacked and we improve on all the metrics you’re all holding him to then happy days and I’ll admit I was wrong 👍

[disconnect]

1 hour ago, Mr X said:

The only thing worse than our manager is our owners that's why 

If they don’t get rid today the owners have really lost it. Just praying yesterday’s management meeting was a “this really is the last chance” meeting. In reality they were probably discussing improving the away changing rooms and facilities for visiting fans…

[Lee On Solent Saint]

5 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

We literally gave the ball to opponents forwards last time we were in this league and we didn’t have this manager or philosophy. Did have some of the same players though. 

Yes maybe the new man will be better and we’ll make a go of staying up this season, successful or not. Which was my point. None of this ‘prepare for next season’ crap. 

And I’m not making out anyone will be pining for RM or that he’ll go to Bayern, I’m just of the belief he isn’t the problem but if he gets sacked and we improve on all the metrics you’re all holding him to then happy days and I’ll admit I was wrong 👍

Well, he certainly isn't fuckin helping matters is he?

[whiteleySaint30]

8 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

We literally gave the ball to opponents forwards last time we were in this league and we didn’t have this manager or philosophy. Did have some of the same players though. 

Yes maybe the new man will be better and we’ll make a go of staying up this season, successful or not. Which was my point. None of this ‘prepare for next season’ crap. 

And I’m not making out anyone will be pining for RM or that he’ll go to Bayern, I’m just of the belief he isn’t the problem but if he gets sacked and we improve on all the metrics you’re all holding him to then happy days and I’ll admit I was wrong 👍

Some people, can't you see 'his' arrogant way of playing is killing us. 9 goals conceded by giving the ball away in our final third. We were shit last time we were in this league but for me we weren't gifting goals away like we are this season.  

Simple fact is, if you have lumley in goal (who now has a sum total of 2 premier league appearances at the age if 29) you have to adapt rather than blindly continuing on with what has failed before. 

[rallyboy]

Playing out from the back is in theory a great idea, even last night when we kicked long it just came straight back.

So is it the players who cannot do it without making mistakes or is the manager asking too much of them with complicated tactics?

Possibly both - either way, something has to change, and it won't be the players.

I think we need a plan B - and to start the season again with it in place.

 

[Farmer Saint]

8 minutes ago, rallyboy said:

Playing out from the back is in theory a great idea, even last night when we kicked long it just came straight back.

So is it the players who cannot do it without making mistakes or is the manager asking too much of them with complicated tactics?

Possibly both - either way, something has to change, and it won't be the players.

I think we need a plan B - and to start the season again with it in place.

 

The issue is we've bought players to play in a certain style, RM's. As part of this we didn't replace Che who is very good at holding up the ball - which is why even when we clear it long now the ball comes straight back.

As a club we've gone balls deep on this strategy.

It doesn't help that our players are not good enough in general for the PL, and funnily enough I thought for the first half an hour until we lost Stephens (and even a few attacks after that) we looked very good going forward. This issue is, and has always been, defensively we are dog shite.

Edited 5 December, 2024 by Farmer Saint

[Saint86]

In all serious, I can't be that angry with him for last night (as much as I wanted to be). We've got one of the worst squads in the league, and last night were without nearly all our best players - especially defensively (THB, bednarek, Downes, ramsdale), plus ofc dibling and lallana both out. Against that Chelsea are something like a billion pound squad that could field a third/second string that routinely wins in Europe 🤷. 

Yes it was poor at the back, but equally that back 5 was completely ramshackle - which is going to get even worse (somehow) thanks to stephens being suspended (what a statement, how can it get worse? 🤣😭🤣😭🤣).

[Dman]

6 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

The issue is we've bought players to play in a certain style, RM's. As part of this we didn't replace Che who is very good at holding up the ball - which is why even when we clear it long now the ball comes straight back.

As a club we've gone balls deep on this strategy.

It doesn't help that our players are not good enough in general for the PL, and funnily enough I thought for the first half an hour until we lost Stephens (and even a few attacks after that) we looked very good going forward. This issue is, and has always been, defensively we are dog shite.

Every side RM has managed has been. Perhaps an issue with his tactics?

[Farmer Saint]

1 minute ago, Dman said:

Every side RM has managed has been. Perhaps an issue with his tactics?

Yeah, nothing to do with Stephens or Bednarek, two of the worst PL defenders of all time.

RMs tactics are partially to blame, but these two weren't even in our team last time in the Prem, and we conceded nearly as many with better defenders and supposedly better tactics. Stephens and Bednarek are known for huge lapses in concentration. I don't think anyone can get them to play like PL players.

[Jack]

9 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Yeah, nothing to do with Stephens or Bednarek, two of the worst PL defenders of all time.

RMs tactics are partially to blame, but these two weren't even in our team last time in the Prem, and we conceded nearly as many with better defenders and supposedly better tactics. Stephens and Bednarek are known for huge lapses in concentration. I don't think anyone can get them to play like PL players.

Surely if you’re not blessed with the best centre backs, you don’t base your whole philosophy on them having as much of the ball as possible? 

[Sunglasses Ron]

Lots of fair points there @Saint86.

For me though it still goes back to not adapting the playing philosophy, even when all your best players are missing.

Last night should have been an agricultural display, full of backs-to-the-wall defending, sh@thousery and lumping it clear at every chance. Instead we had that dreadful showing, capped off by the disgraceful antics of HIS CHOSEN CAPTAIN.

The sad thing is that the game played out exactly as most of us predicted.     

Edited 5 December, 2024 by Sunglasses Ron

[danjosaint]

8 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

The issue is we've bought players to play in a certain style

We clearly didn't did we, people keep spouting this shit, Ramsdale isn't great with his feet (I'm glad we did), Taylor because he was free but can't or won't be played wingback. Suga can't defend but okish going forward. Fernandes who I rate is stifled in type of formation, it showed last night, he rode 2 tackles moved it on to Aribo ,bust his gut forward and would have been through but Joe turned around went backwards, Fernandes just stood there waved his arms about petty much to say wtf, Big les has no legs or energy and is piss poor on the ball. Cornet, a mystery after getting fraser in same position. BBD cheap punt on hoping he could score 10 for us. Wood and Edwards an eye on nxt season. Archer, some decent moments but not a striker to keep possession and bring others into it

Only really Downes because he knew system, THB was part of deal if we went up. The recruitment has been abysmal but the management and coaching is on another level of incompetence 

[saintant]

2 hours ago, scumbag said:

This whole 'build' / 'project' thing is really odd - but fits the arrogance of the individual concerned I guess. Being utterly incompetent at something, but referring to it in terms of a project that's perhaps beyond the intellectual capability of us mere mortals to grasp.

Passing it out from the back, repeatedly making mistakes, and losing football matches isn't a project.

No, it's the work of an incompetent manager. To label it as a work in progress or some sort of project being overseen by a maverick coach who will eventually show us all how wrong we were is a complete insult to our intelligence and it needs to stop now before further damage is done to our football club and its reputation.

[saintant]

2 hours ago, Suhari said:

WTF is he still doing here?

Fucking up our team.

[saintant]

2 hours ago, Farmer Saint said:

We all think he should be sacked, what's your point?

Apart from SR.

[OldNick]

We have a German international centre half sitting on his sofa, it is madness that it is allowed to have a £20m player not utilised when there is a crisis.

I feel the players are trying and not downing tools but surely even they must have doubts.

In the main i believe the fans are very patient at games and are doing their best to help.

If he fails to play Tall Paul as soon as he is fit then Im going to move to RM out although that ont make a difference as I feel the owners cant pay £12m to get rid

 

[beatlesaint]

Biggest issue for me is that he is so arrogant he treats everyone else like they are stupid. Every pundit I have heard this season points out the issues but no, they are wrong, RM is right. 

Then there are the supporters, the fans who travel home and away to watch this Rusbball shite. Its an insult to the intelligence, some of the crap he comes out with are so far removed from what every paying customer can see that its beyond a joke. Take last night with his refusal to call out Stephens, instead preferring to get all misty eyed and have an erection over the bloke while telling us "Jack's been amazing for us" !!! Now if you were to ask 30,000 Saints fans who turn up at St Mary's week in week out - yes or no, has Jack Stephens been amazing for us - what percentage would say yes? 

How the hell local journos like Alfie House and Adam Blackmore can stand there and listen to his repeated drivel whilst keeping a straight face is quite frankly full credit to them !     

[Fitzhugh Fella]

1 hour ago, Fabrice29 said:

Literally one line of this was about RM and it was the idea that spending millions of pounds might be better served on getting a striker. 

And you trust the board/Martin to pluck a decent striker out of where exactly?

[saintant]

1 hour ago, Galway saint said:

I think that’s a lot to do with why we are so uncompetitive. Without those we would still be struggling given player quality but we’d be in the game so to speak.

Giving the ball to players in tight areas under pressure means we make lots of mistakes but that’s a hallmark of the RM approach. Its a pretty depressing state of affairs really if we are intending to persevere with this crap 

 

Even worse is the fact that Russell's intransigence means oppo managers know that they can press us in and around our penalty area with a guarantee of chances/goals which is what we see in every game. It's football's version of the kamikaze pilot.

[saintant]

1 hour ago, Fabrice29 said:

Just a reminder he was given the job in the championship, did it well enough to get promoted which in turn gets you to a higher level. That’s literally the way it works. 

Which only proves that he was adequate in the Championship. Results and performances in the Premier League prove he is not doing well enough to warrant keeping his job - that's literally the way it works for all other clubs unless you can convince me otherwise.

[saintant]

11 minutes ago, OldNick said:

We have a German international centre half sitting on his sofa, it is madness that it is allowed to have a £20m player not utilised when there is a crisis.

I feel the players are trying and not downing tools but surely even they must have doubts.

In the main i believe the fans are very patient at games and are doing their best to help.

If he fails to play Tall Paul as soon as he is fit then Im going to move to RM out although that ont make a difference as I feel the owners cant pay £12m to get rid

 

So let me get this right, currently you are advocating Martin continues? Wow.

[Teamsaint1]

2 minutes ago, saintant said:

Even worse is the fact that Russell's intransigence means oppo managers know that they can press us in and around our penalty area with a guarantee of chances/goals which is what we see in every game. It's football's version of the kamikaze pilot.

Chelseas didn't even have to press us very hard before the mistake came , and we looked pretty comfortable on the ball early on  , given the very difficult situation. Other PL sides manage to balance keeping the ball with minimising game changing mistakes, and I really don’t think that our players are that much worse than the teams immediately above us. 

[SaintLondon]

If it hasn’t already, the rot is bound to set in soon, and even if the board still supports him, it’s hard to see how the situation remains tenable - much like the Nathan Jones scenario. The damage is clearly done. We’re almost certain to go straight back down, but what’s the point in not even trying to salvage something from this season?

From the players’ perspective, they seem to respect Russell Martin and are trying to implement his vision, but the reality is that the squad lacks the talent to execute his philosophy effectively. Over time, frustration is bound to creep in. Mistakes from players like Jack Stephens only exacerbate the problem, and you can imagine morale sinking further. If heads drop across the squad, we’ll end up as nothing more than whipping boys for the rest of the season.

Clubs always say they’re nothing without the fans, but expecting supporters to show up week after week, watching hopeless performances with no glimmer of optimism, feels like an insult. It’s hard to justify this approach when the lifeblood of the club - the fans - are being asked to endure such futility without any real fight.

[Saint_clark]

44 minutes ago, Jack said:

Surely if you’re not blessed with the best centre backs, you don’t base your whole philosophy on them having as much of the ball as possible? 

Trust the process.

[saintant]

1 hour ago, Fabrice29 said:

We literally gave the ball to opponents forwards last time we were in this league and we didn’t have this manager or philosophy. Did have some of the same players though. 

Yes maybe the new man will be better and we’ll make a go of staying up this season, successful or not. Which was my point. None of this ‘prepare for next season’ crap. 

And I’m not making out anyone will be pining for RM or that he’ll go to Bayern, I’m just of the belief he isn’t the problem but if he gets sacked and we improve on all the metrics you’re all holding him to then happy days and I’ll admit I was wrong 👍

Not anywhere near the number of times we do now and with such predictability that RM quite literally does the opposing manager's team talk for him. There was never the level of outpouring against the giving the ball away in dangerous areas that we hear today from fans, commentators and every TV pundit in the game.

[OldNick]

2 minutes ago, saintant said:

So let me get this right, currently you are advocating Martin continues? Wow.

I suppose Iam, mainly as the club has o pay £12m to get rid, we have a Championship squad and we are stuffed. Iam confident that RM should get us back up.

CBFry did have a decent theory that a new manager has 23 games left for a new manager to save us, Redknapp had a similar amount of time but couldn't all those years ago.

If we spend £12m to get rid that would come out of our transfer kitty and also we have the FFP rules as well.

I was not expecting us to have a successful season as we basically scraped into the PL and were 4th best really, to expect that squad to flourish in the PL was expecting too much IMO.

 

[saintant]

1 minute ago, OldNick said:

I suppose Iam, mainly as the club has o pay £12m to get rid, we have a Championship squad and we are stuffed. Iam confident that RM should get us back up.

CBFry did have a decent theory that a new manager has 23 games left for a new manager to save us, Redknapp had a similar amount of time but couldn't all those years ago.

If we spend £12m to get rid that would come out of our transfer kitty and also we have the FFP rules as well.

I was not expecting us to have a successful season as we basically scraped into the PL and were 4th best really, to expect that squad to flourish in the PL was expecting too much IMO.

 

Respect your viewpoint but can't agree. He should have gone by now but still clings on.

[OldNick]

20 minutes ago, beatlesaint said:

Biggest issue for me is that he is so arrogant he treats everyone else like they are stupid. Every pundit I have heard this season points out the issues but no, they are wrong, RM is right. 

Then there are the supporters, the fans who travel home and away to watch this Rusbball shite. Its an insult to the intelligence, some of the crap he comes out with are so far removed from what every paying customer can see that its beyond a joke. Take last night with his refusal to call out Stephens, instead preferring to get all misty eyed and have an erection over the bloke while telling us "Jack's been amazing for us" !!! Now if you were to ask 30,000 Saints fans who turn up at St Mary's week in week out - yes or no, has Jack Stephens been amazing for us - what percentage would say yes? 

How the hell local journos like Alfie House and Adam Blackmore can stand there and listen to his repeated drivel whilst keeping a straight face is quite frankly full credit to them !     

I was disappointed that Adam Blackmore let him get away with 'Jack will be more upset than anybody' No he wont be he will be happy pocketing his £50k a week, whilst the fans who he let down again, have to fork out to go and watch the madness 

[saintant]

10 minutes ago, SaintLondon said:

If it hasn’t already, the rot is bound to set in soon, and even if the board still supports him, it’s hard to see how the situation remains tenable - much like the Nathan Jones scenario. The damage is clearly done. We’re almost certain to go straight back down, but what’s the point in not even trying to salvage something from this season?

From the players’ perspective, they seem to respect Russell Martin and are trying to implement his vision, but the reality is that the squad lacks the talent to execute his philosophy effectively. Over time, frustration is bound to creep in. Mistakes from players like Jack Stephens only exacerbate the problem, and you can imagine morale sinking further. If heads drop across the squad, we’ll end up as nothing more than whipping boys for the rest of the season.

Clubs always say they’re nothing without the fans, but expecting supporters to show up week after week, watching hopeless performances with no glimmer of optimism, feels like an insult. It’s hard to justify this approach when the lifeblood of the club - the fans - are being asked to endure such futility without any real fight.

I think it's more a case that Russell lacks the talent to execute his flawed philosophy. Snake oil salesman of the highest order and he is still fooling people so fair play to him for that bit of trickery.

[Dr. Kucho]

2 minutes ago, OldNick said:

I was disappointed that Adam Blackmore let him get away with 'Jack will be more upset than anybody' No he wont be he will be happy pocketing his £50k a week, whilst the fans who he let down again, have to fork out to go and watch the madness 

Martin IMHO gets an easy ride from the press. They should be asking him more direct questions about his formation and why he continues whilst it obviously isn’t working etc.

[spyinthesky]

Old Nick
Fair comment about the financial repercussions.
Most of us thought promotion would not be easy as the standard of the Prem has risen since our last relegation.
Not many of us thought the performances would be so dire with only Fernandes proving a decent buy.
So recruitment as well as the Managers poor performance has left us with the only challenge will be to achieve more than 11 points and to think, Luton, with less resources put up a better fight.
Next season could see us fall back into Football League obscurity

[Billy the Kidd]

12 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

So why is the manger instructing them to play a way that highlights their inadequacies even more?

We could be making a much better fist of this. We're not even close to having a hope in hells chance of competing for 19th.

Agree with this, but is isnt only that we play with a way that highlights our inadequacies - even teams with far far better players than ours dont try to do this to the extent we do. There is a solid reason they dont do it also - that it gives up chances and goals.

[Oldandtired]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

Exactly this. People are obsessed with looking at short term results, not ALL the data. The actual score tells part of the story not all of it. 

Can you explain to me exactly what other data actually matters. And while you’re at it get that other twat fabreze to explain  how ‘all the metrics’ are so important.

There’s only one bit of data / metric that matters to most fans. This:

 

 

[OldNick]

11 minutes ago, spyinthesky said:

Old Nick
Fair comment about the financial repercussions.
Most of us thought promotion would not be easy as the standard of the Prem has risen since our last relegation.
Not many of us thought the performances would be so dire with only Fernandes proving a decent buy.
So recruitment as well as the Managers poor performance has left us with the only challenge will be to achieve more than 11 points and to think, Luton, with less resources put up a better fight.
Next season could see us fall back into Football League obscurity

It is dire, but I'm floundering knowing what to do, I jump from out one day and In the next

[pimpin4rizeal]

21 hours ago, franniesTache said:

Honestly i have no need to prove if what i said was true or not, fairly sure those that know me know it is, and know that Cortese was out of control. Funny thing is Kat herself basically said that he'd been the cause of our financial problems when he left, but everyone chose to ignore that and have a go at her instead.

But yeah a flawless job was done, absolutely flawless...

Lol out of control how ?

are you not meant to be a Southampton fan as it seems your more a fan of fat kats bank balance?

When nc and Markus saved us it was purchased at around 13 million  by time she sold to Gao it was 210 million so how you can say cortese was  bad for the club is utter bollocks .

it’s also a bit weird that you seem to be siding wit kat who just inherited the club, she just wanted io get control back and then offload like she did to Gao. I don’t see much respect for what her father wanted here.

we didn’t have one bad season under Cortese.. he delivered one of our best periods since mcmenemy days so why the hate ?

Edited 5 December, 2024 by pimpin4rizeal

[Lee On Solent Saint]

22 minutes ago, OldNick said:

I suppose Iam, mainly as the club has o pay £12m to get rid, we have a Championship squad and we are stuffed. Iam confident that RM should get us back up.

CBFry did have a decent theory that a new manager has 23 games left for a new manager to save us, Redknapp had a similar amount of time but couldn't all those years ago.

If we spend £12m to get rid that would come out of our transfer kitty and also we have the FFP rules as well.

I was not expecting us to have a successful season as we basically scraped into the PL and were 4th best really, to expect that squad to flourish in the PL was expecting too much IMO.

 

I don't want him to be here to get us back up next season. What's the fuckin point? We will go straight back down again if by some miracle he manages another promotion. He needs to just go.

[pimpin4rizeal]

Hopefully this Chelsea result can be a turning point now .. as I’ve said before it’s better to take a vicious beating in these circumstances if it means the board wake the fuck up .. rather that then keeping the blinkers on cos we did ok vs Liverpool 

if they have any common sense at all he’s gone today 

[Cabrone]

Listening to some of his comments last night the most damning thing about him is not the losing but the fact that he's not learning anything, just goes through the same old motions.

Funnily enough the pressure is off now, our fate is all but mathematically sealed and the club can take time to get a decent successor. 

RM has a low ceiling, we need better.

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1 minute ago, Cabrone said:

Listening to some of his comments last night the most damning thing about him is not the losing but the fact that he's not learning anything, just goes through the same old motions.

Funnily enough the pressure is off now, our fate is all but mathematically sealed and the club can take time to get a decent successor. 

RM has a low ceiling, we need better.

I don't agree with this, I think he actually has a very high ceiling. The issue is he also has a really fucking low floor.