Russell Martin

[sadoldgit]

3 hours ago, Wade Garrett said:

Under Lowe we built a very large squad of extremely mediocre players.

We did have some quality. Kevin Davies, Beattie, Pahars, Killer…

[Jack]

3 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

Our players dream of a mediocre tactical approach to the demands of the Premier League 

 

[Wade Garrett]

29 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

We did have some quality. Kevin Davies, Beattie, Pahars, Killer…

Beattie fucked off to Everton.  Liked Davies and Killer though.  Always thought Pahars was good but cheated us with ‘injuries’ though.

[pimpin4rizeal]

12 hours ago, franniesTache said:

I mean you can think it's harsh but it's also the truth. People like @turkish know the facts behind the propaganda and know exactly what he was up to. The mad midget was completely responsible for the fire sale of players post Poch' and to be honest if we hadn't we'd have been in serious, serious financial trouble.

And that's before you get into his "home redecoration budget"

Yup he absolutely was, there's a section of our fanbase who hates to admit it but despite his public propaganda he wasn't a good thing for the club.

I’m not buying some wannabe in the know rumours on this .. cortese wasn’t exactly throwing money around anyway .. a big core of our success revolves around the likes of lambert lalllana fonte and  schneiderlin who we had from league one … if Markus was still alive nc would probably still be running things.. 

I dunno why people keep acting like I it’s a one off that nc was spending Marcus money .. Ankerson spends dragons money but isn’t any where  near as effective ..

The wheels came off when Markus died . Katarina was only ever interested in cashing in on her asset so ousted cortese as fast as possible to regain power before selling to gao

also it’s hard to say it was propaganda from cortese .. with his managerial choices nearly all of them where gold and we improved with every switch of manager .. back to back promotions, great managers .. great scout in Mitchell. We where flying under pochettino who wass superb choice which nc decided on whilst going to scout coutinho..

as far as I’m concerned he did a fantastic job and pretty much flawless in his time here .. it’s just a shame we didn’t get to see the end of the movie 

how anyone can say he wasn’t good for the club is beyond me .. he came in when we was dying and  on the brink of extinction in league one and got us up to top ten in the premiership with one of our best periods since the keegan days 

Edited 19 hours ago by pimpin4rizeal

[Fabrice29]

2 minutes ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

I’m not buying some wannabe in the know rumours on this .. cortese wasn’t exactly throwing money around anyway .. a big core of our success revolves around the likes of lambert lalllana fonte and  schneiderlin who we had from league one … if Markus was still alive nc would probably still be running things.. 

I dunno why people keep acting like I it’s a one off that nc was spending Marcus money .. Ankerson spends dragons money but isn’t any where  near as effective ..

The wheels came off when Markus died . Katarina was only ever interested in cashing in on her asset so ousted cortese as fast as possible to regain power before selling to gao

also it’s hard to say it was propaganda from cortese .. with his managerial choices nearly all of them where gold and we improved with every switch of manager .. back to back promotions, great managers .. great scout in Mitchell. We where flying under pochettino who wass superb choice which nc decided on whilst going to scout coutinho..

as far as I’m concerned he did a fantastic job and pretty much flawless in his time here .. it’s just a shame we didn’t get to see the end of the movie 

We literally got better after he left and I don’t believe he ever worked in football again. You keep believing it’s all rumours though 👍

[pimpin4rizeal]

16 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

We literally got better after he left and I don’t believe he ever worked in football again. You keep believing it’s all rumours though 👍

Many ceos don’t go from club to club though .. he was Markus trusted man .

as for us getting better most of the team and structure was strong and in place from his time here , Mitchell was a still a scout plus koeman did a cracking job also 

we where also flying under poch but never really got to see how well he would have done we looked very much a top 6-8 side under him also 

Edited 19 hours ago by pimpin4rizeal

[pimpin4rizeal]

8 hours ago, Dark Munster said:

Without him (Cortese) Markus wouldn’t have bought us and taken us back up to the PL in 3 seasons, and instead we would’ve remained a skint club in L1 on the -15 points, looking forward to decades in the lower leagues or even liquidation. 

Nail on head mate .. you still see people with liebherr avatars yet people don’t seem to appreciate cortese who even talked Markus into the purchase . Doesn’t really make sense to me how you can love liebherr and not nc ..  they came as a package and the majority of the success came with how nc went about carrying out the plan making effective decisions ..

sports republic are spending money so it goes to show how having the right person making these key decisions , spending the money wisely and employing the right people makes a huge difference and cortese did this superbly 

Edited 18 hours ago by pimpin4rizeal

[tdmickey3]

Doing a great job......nothing to worry about

Its all going to plan, brave, enjoying it, we will be ok......blah blah blah

https://www.skysports.com/premier-league-table

[sadoldgit]

9 hours ago, Wade Garrett said:

Beattie fucked off to Everton.  Liked Davies and Killer though.  Always thought Pahars was good but cheated us with ‘injuries’ though.

The vast majority of our quality players leave or have left under any CEO.

[Fabrice29]

42 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

Doing a great job......nothing to worry about

Its all going to plan, brave, enjoying it, we will be ok......blah blah blah

https://www.skysports.com/premier-league-table

Nobody has said any of this. Go back to just being the weirdo who laughs on everyone’s posts. It’s less stupid.

[Osvaldorama]

Some of you are absolutely full of it on here.
 

If there was a choice between Cortese coming back or Rasmus Ankersen.. you’re telling me you’d choose Rasmus? LOL 

Pimpin is right, it’s not just about throwing money about. It’s how you spend it, the culture inside the club and showing leadership. Cortese was light years ahead of these buffoons 

[tdmickey3]

13 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

Nobody has said any of this. Go back to just being the weirdo who laughs on everyone’s posts. It’s less stupid.

Martin has said all of it you stupid groupie, you probably weren't listening, too busy squealing like a schoolgirl at a boy band concert

Your hero is delivering and absolute mess of an attempt to stay in the PL and you know it, despite all of you posturing

[Lighthouse]

1 hour ago, Osvaldorama said:

Some of you are absolutely full of it on here.
 

If there was a choice between Cortese coming back or Rasmus Ankersen.. you’re telling me you’d choose Rasmus? LOL 

Pimpin is right, it’s not just about throwing money about. It’s how you spend it, the culture inside the club and showing leadership. Cortese was light years ahead of these buffoons 

Cortese did a lot right for us but his downfall ultimately was overspending on vanity projects, like Osvaldo and the training ground. Having said that, the training ground is actually decent and he ‘only’ overspent by what we’ve since wasted on Orsic and Wood.

[Dman]

Just now, Lighthouse said:

Cortese did a lot right for us but his downfall ultimately was overspending on vanity projects, like Osvaldo and the training ground. Having said that, the training ground is actually decent and he ‘only’ overspent by what we’ve since wasted on Orsic and Wood.

Lets be honest, Osvaldo was a brilliant player, known to the manager at the time. He was a total loon though, which ultimatley was his downfall... If anything Poch should have known that, so I'd argue that one is on him rather than Cortese. 

[Oldandtired]

2 hours ago, tdmickey3 said:

Doing a great job......nothing to worry about

Its all going to plan, brave, enjoying it, we will be ok......blah blah blah

https://www.skysports.com/premier-league-table

That’s another reason I really dislike him…he could at least change the friggin’ script.

[Mr X]

I think we need to ask serious questions about our recruitment/scouting department 

I would think we are near the top if not the top for locating flop players and paying over the odds for them! 

[RedArmy]

16 hours ago, Osvaldorama said:

Cortese was fantastic for this club if you zoom out. Seems like things went out of control toward the end. (Ego went out of control if the rumours are actually true) 

But what he achieved here was incredible. It’s re-writing history to say otherwise. 

Compare his managerial appointments, academy work and transfers with SR.
 

The difference is staggering. We were professional and moving toward long term targets instead of just talking about it. 

Yeah but he didn’t respect the legends and that made people sad and angry. 
 

Probably the same people that are now “embarrassed” by Le Tiss. 
 

I couldn’t give a shit if he had his own personal toilet, was rude to staff, took the piss with the clubs money and had heels in his shoes to make him look taller. 
This is a results business not a popularity contest. 

In the same thread people are saying the club lacks ambition are people hating the only man we’ve had in decades that actually wanted and was actively trying to get Southampton Football Club to win things and break the big 6. 

 

 

[aintforever]

1 hour ago, Osvaldorama said:

Some of you are absolutely full of it on here.
 

If there was a choice between Cortese coming back or Rasmus Ankersen.. you’re telling me you’d choose Rasmus? LOL 

Pimpin is right, it’s not just about throwing money about. It’s how you spend it, the culture inside the club and showing leadership. Cortese was light years ahead of these buffoons 

No doubt he did a good job but it was a different situation, different owner. You would obviously have him over the current lot but getting from League One to the Prem was much more about Liebherr's cash than anything else. When they brought the club they said it was 'the bargain of the century' - they got a Prem set up on the cheap meaning he had a blank canvass and Liebherr's money to invest.

Cortese got the big decisions right and it sounds like he may have been one of the reasons Marcus chose us so for that he should be commended. But he clearly was a bit of a twat which is why he's not overly popular.

[Saint Fan CaM]

8 minutes ago, aintforever said:

No doubt he did a good job but it was a different situation, different owner. You would obviously have him over the current lot but getting from League One to the Prem was much more about Liebherr's cash than anything else. When they brought the club they said it was 'the bargain of the century' - they got a Prem set up on the cheap meaning he had a blank canvass and Liebherr's money to invest.

Cortese got the big decisions right and it sounds like he may have been one of the reasons Marcus chose us so for that he should be commended. But he clearly was a bit of a twat which is why he's not overly popular.

He not only got the big decisions right, he was insistent that all the many small things made a difference too.  Getting the pitch at Staplewood to match the pitch at SMS for example…little details that all add up to a strong infrastructure and it was that attention to detail that convinced top players coming to little old Saints to commit to the plan. The difference between Cortese’s Saints FC and now is light years apart.

[Junior Mullet]

I honestly think we could have done a Leicester City if Markus and Cortese had been around longer.  Markus and Cortese were that good a team.  Yes we did well with Koeman, very well, but that was using the momentum of what had gone before.  Once that momentum had gone Koeman left for Everton whom he saw as more ambitious at that time.  Says a lot about how things dwindled under the new directors and Kat.  It was such a shame Kat was swayed by Les and others rather than Cortese when push came to shove.

[Dman]

2 minutes ago, Junior Mullet said:

I honestly think we could have done a Leicester City if Markus and Cortese had been around longer.  Markus and Cortese were that good a team.  Yes we did well with Koeman, very well, but that was using the momentum of what had gone before.  Once that momentum had gone Koeman left for Everton whom he saw as more ambitious at that time.  Says a lot about how things dwindled under the new directors and Kat.  It was such a shame Kat was swayed by Les and others rather than Cortese when push came to shove.

What would have happened when Markus' money dried up? at some point, he would have said enough is enough, much like Kat did. 

In general, Kat's leadership of the club was brilliant. She and those around her, maintained us as a PL club in a sustainble way. There was no way somone like VvD was sticking around when liverpool came knocking, regardless of who was the CEO - Same with Potch, Mane etc. 

Unfortunatley, our downfall was 2-3 seasons of poor recuritment. That's what eventually cost us. 

[aintforever]

6 minutes ago, Junior Mullet said:

I honestly think we could have done a Leicester City if Markus and Cortese had been around longer.  Markus and Cortese were that good a team.  Yes we did well with Koeman, very well, but that was using the momentum of what had gone before.  Once that momentum had gone Koeman left for Everton whom he saw as more ambitious at that time.  Says a lot about how things dwindled under the new directors and Kat.  It was such a shame Kat was swayed by Les and others rather than Cortese when push came to shove.

True. Momentum/money - pretty much the same thing.  Typical of our luck that we get an owner like Marcus and he dies.

[Junior Mullet]

2 minutes ago, Dman said:

What would have happened when Markus' money dried up? at some point, he would have said enough is enough, much like Kat did. 

In general, Kat's leadership of the club was brilliant. She and those around her, maintained us as a PL club in a sustainble way. There was no way somone like VvD was sticking around when liverpool came knocking, regardless of who was the CEO - Same with Potch, Mane etc. 

Unfortunatley, our downfall was 2-3 seasons of poor recuritment. That's what eventually cost us. 

I have nothing against Kat.  She found herself in a position I don't think she expected nor was prepared for.  She opted for the wrong people to run the club instead of Cortese because I think she saw Cortese's plan as financially more risky while the others presented a less risky option.  She was more risk adverse than Markus.  The way the club was run thereafter was not very good though and I have to respectfully disagree with you on that.  Our momentum at the time of Poch and Cortese leaving allowed us to get a fantastic manager in Koeman which paved over the cracks.  The longer-term damage however was already being done at the top levels.

Let's be honest, this is a great theoretical debate.  How would things have panned out with Markus and Cortese at the helm for several more years?  

[Oldandtired]

2 minutes ago, Junior Mullet said:

I have nothing against Kat.  She found herself in a position I don't think she expected nor was prepared for.  She opted for the wrong people to run the club instead of Cortese because I think she saw Cortese's plan as financially more risky while the others presented a less risky option.  She was more risk adverse than Markus.  The way the club was run thereafter was not very good though and I have to respectfully disagree with you on that.  Our momentum at the time of Poch and Cortese leaving allowed us to get a fantastic manager in Koeman which paved over the cracks.  The longer-term damage however was already being done at the top levels.

Let's be honest, this is a great theoretical debate.  How would things have panned out with Markus and Cortese at the helm for several more years?  

Maybe for a different thread? This one is to vent on how bad Russell Martin is…😎

[CB Fry]

22 minutes ago, Junior Mullet said:

I honestly think we could have done a Leicester City if Markus and Cortese had been around longer.  Markus and Cortese were that good a team.  Yes we did well with Koeman, very well, but that was using the momentum of what had gone before.  Once that momentum had gone Koeman left for Everton whom he saw as more ambitious at that time.  Says a lot about how things dwindled under the new directors and Kat.  It was such a shame Kat was swayed by Les and others rather than Cortese when push came to shove.

Cortese had the chance to do a Leicester.

Leicester came up, finished 14th and then won the league.

We came up, finished 14th and then didn't win the league, all of that under Cortese.

Leicester didn't have some masterplan, it just happened. They then got a huge windfall from that.

[Turkish]

Cortese did provide endless amusement i'll give you that. His little stunt when he banned the press from St Marys, when they referred to us as South Coast club and he looked a laughing stock had to go back cap in hand to them bless the angry little italian.

He was a brilliant businessman too, securing us a shirt sponsorship deal with the largest recruitment consultants in Chilworth. He managed to secure training ground upgrades worth £15m for just £40m

It's a real surprise we managed to keep hold of him for so long given AC Milan chased him the whole time he was here, the fact that he's been available for 11 years since then with Milan or any other club never employing him is more down to the fact of his love for the club and it's fans, he could love no other club as much as his baby, how he once described us.

Edited 6 hours ago by Turkish

[franniesTache]

13 hours ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

I’m not buying some wannabe in the know rumours on this .. cortese wasn’t exactly throwing money around anyway .. a big core of our success revolves around the likes of lambert lalllana fonte and  schneiderlin who we had from league one … if Markus was still alive nc would probably still be running things.. 

I dunno why people keep acting like I it’s a one off that nc was spending Marcus money .. Ankerson spends dragons money but isn’t any where  near as effective ..

The wheels came off when Markus died . Katarina was only ever interested in cashing in on her asset so ousted cortese as fast as possible to regain power before selling to gao

also it’s hard to say it was propaganda from cortese .. with his managerial choices nearly all of them where gold and we improved with every switch of manager .. back to back promotions, great managers .. great scout in Mitchell. We where flying under pochettino who wass superb choice which nc decided on whilst going to scout coutinho..

as far as I’m concerned he did a fantastic job and pretty much flawless in his time here .. it’s just a shame we didn’t get to see the end of the movie 

how anyone can say he wasn’t good for the club is beyond me .. he came in when we was dying and  on the brink of extinction in league one and got us up to top ten in the premiership with one of our best periods since the keegan days 

Honestly i have no need to prove if what i said was true or not, fairly sure those that know me know it is, and know that Cortese was out of control. Funny thing is Kat herself basically said that he'd been the cause of our financial problems when he left, but everyone chose to ignore that and have a go at her instead.

But yeah a flawless job was done, absolutely flawless...

[RedArmy]

On 03/12/2024 at 10:49, franniesTache said:

I mean you can think it's harsh but it's also the truth. People like @turkish know the facts behind the propaganda and know exactly what he was up to. The mad midget was completely responsible for the fire sale of players post Poch' and to be honest if we hadn't we'd have been in serious, serious financial trouble.

And that's before you get into his "home redecoration budget"

Yup he absolutely was, there's a section of our fanbase who hates to admit it but despite his public propaganda he wasn't a good thing for the club.

Such serious serious financial problems we spent £90m that season  😂😂😂 

Edited 6 hours ago by RedArmy

[The Kraken]

Did anyone ever find Nicola’s favourite spoon?

[Turkish]

51 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

Did anyone ever find Nicola’s favourite spoon?

Make of that what you will

[Turkish]

one is a vindictive power crazed dwarf the other is a notorious Bond villain 
 

In

 

The man without the golden spoon….

Edited 4 hours ago by Turkish

[Hemp]

2 hours ago, Oldandtired said:

Maybe for a different thread? This one is to vent on how bad Russell Martin is…😎

Im sure we will all get back on track after tonights drubbing 🫣

[BarberSaint]

I don't think it will be a drubbing. In fact I don't think we'll do any worse than our regulation 2-3 goals per game.    I think it's more to do with their lack of killer instinct and we will probably do the Manning/KWP thing and AA will get a goal. 

 

I don't see our tactics changing much now until the manager does.

[Disco Stu]

4 hours ago, Dman said:

What would have happened when Markus' money dried up? at some point, he would have said enough is enough, much like Kat did. 

In general, Kat's leadership of the club was brilliant. She and those around her, maintained us as a PL club in a sustainble way. There was no way somone like VvD was sticking around when liverpool came knocking, regardless of who was the CEO - Same with Potch, Mane etc. 

Unfortunatley, our downfall was 2-3 seasons of poor recuritment. That's what eventually cost us. 

Probably exactly what happened to Leicester City. At least we'd have had some silverware to look back on.

[Football Special]

2 hours ago, Turkish said:

Make of that what you will

Thought you'd post your favourite match programme cover