Russell Martin

[Fabrice29]

1 hour ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

Like I was saying in the pre Liverpool match thread the kinda results we have got last two games is not good for the bigger picture .. seems sports republic need us to get a proper spanking before they are gonna see the light of day .. so reasonable performances against Liverpool and Brighton just gives them something to cling onto with Martin.

ridicolous situation really honestly think fans should start boycotting games to get the message across 

Boycott games because we’ve put in a couple of ‘reasonable performances’. Perfectly normal way to end an odd day in this thread. 

[pimpin4rizeal]

6 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

Boycott games because we’ve put in a couple of ‘reasonable performances’. Perfectly normal way to end an odd day in this thread. 

Not because we put in a couple of reasonable performances . Because the board are ignoring the fact we are doing utterly shite and have only had three games we haven’t lost ..

No other premiership club would accept this 

[Charlie Wayman]

12 hours ago, saintant said:

Seems likely we'll be all but relegated by late Jan so if big offers come in from clubs desperate to steal these two away SR might decide to sell.

Unlikely as both players are getting essential PL experience to help their development so another half season will only increase their skill levels and their value. Too early to sell at the moment.

Edited Sunday at 22:01 by Charlie Wayman

[Toussaint]

Russ came to the away end, just before kick off, to salute the fans. I’ve not seen him do that before and I’ve been to quite a few away games this season. 

[verlaine1979]

11 hours ago, gio1saints said:

I’m not sure I understand your point?
 

Are you saying that maybe the “patient passing moves opponents out of position strategy” is evolving under this hapless unable to change Manager of ours? 😂

Or is it that Dibling is deliberately disobeying orders from Russell? 😂

On reflection how is it that three of our most recent goals we scored ( Archer v Arsenal, MF v Liverpool and Downes yesterday) have come from breaks and transition swift passing play? Have the team en masse decided to play differently to the slow boring useless passing way the Manager asks/ tells them? Some mutiny that is! 
 

I wonder which it is. Or maybe it’s just luck. Or coincidence. Could not be playing to instructions in an evolving system because RM is a useless stubborn unable to change or adapt manager as we all know. 😂😂😂

Based on how rarely Dibling's runs seem to trigger any sort of organised surge of support, I'm pretty confident that when he takes on 3 players and muscles through he's doing it on instinct rather than instruction. The idea that Martin's strategy basically amounts to "hey, 99 times out of 100 we'll piss about with it at the back and never get over the half way line, but then twice a game we'll let our 18 year old have a run with it" is asinine. We're a shit passing team that has a rogue teenager who made himself undroppable early in the season.

[Weston Super Saint]

16 hours ago, Farmer Saint said:

Just read the Israel thread...Gazan women and children (5-9 year olds are the largest group of dead in Gaza) are expendable because they are Muslim apparently.

It's the reason he's on ignore as I don't think anyone needs to see that kind of person's comments.

Oh dear.

Farmer Giles is still harping on about some bollocks he's made up.

As he said, read the Israel thread, it's all there to see.  I'm sure everyone else will be able to see that when I'm pointing him in the direction of the charter of Hamas to provide the 'source' he was desperately seeking, the words were not actually mine, but were what Hamas had published.

Sadly, Farmer Giles is too thick to understand and genuinely believes they were 'my' words.

Since then he's pretended to have me on ignore whilst weirdly counting my posts.  The suggestion of a break from the forum seems like a well intentioned intervention.

[Weston Super Saint]

Nice to see Pep is still 'learning' from RM.  Is that 7 in a row now that they've lost?

Although if this carries on much longer they will be genuinely much stronger than us in the Championship next season leaving only 2 promotion spots available.

[Farmer Saint]

23 of 25 now Weston.

[Weston Super Saint]

3 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

23 of 25 now Weston.

How do you know when I'm on your ignore list?

Perhaps one of your other logins is counting them?

[Farmer Saint]

24 of 26. 

Try spending some time with your family - kids don't like absent Dad's, especially when all they're doing is following someone on an online forum. 

[Wade Garrett]

Is this forum moderated?

Just asking for a friend.

[egg]

9 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

24 of 26. 

Try spending some time with your family - kids don't like absent Dad's, especially when all they're doing is following someone on an online forum. 

 

13 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

How do you know when I'm on your ignore list?

Perhaps one of your other logins is counting them?

This is really, really boring fellas. Can you 2 please do your flirting by direct message, or just shut up. Thank you. 

[Farmer Saint]

Just now, Wade Garrett said:

Is this forum moderated?

Just asking for a friend.

I don't think so - it's why posters are allowed to be stalked on the forum for having the gall to suggest that maybe the club has a strategy that spreads the risk and allows relegation in a sustainable way.

[Farmer Saint]

2 minutes ago, egg said:

 

This is really, really boring fellas. Can you 2 please do your flirting by direct message, or just shut up. Thank you. 

But he loves me - he takes considerable time out of his weekend family time to follow me around and post about me. It's beautiful.

Edited Monday at 07:41 by Farmer Saint

[Turkish]

9 hours ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

Not because we put in a couple of reasonable performances . Because the board are ignoring the fact we are doing utterly shite and have only had three games we haven’t lost ..

No other premiership club would accept this 

Since McMenemy left we’ve been conditioned this way though. Lack of ambition is the norm, survival is success mantra in the 90s, the Lowe era of having to fund signings from sales which carried on through the Liebherr era aside from the loony Italian getting carried away with his mates credit card. The Goa era with zero investment and being told we should just be grateful to be in the premier league and now our player trading club methodology where we pretty much know anyone half decent will be flogged to the highest bidder. 
 

no other club would accept it but then I doubt any other club has had a series of owners constantly telling the fans what a small club they are. Despite being a told flight club for 75% of the last 50 odd years no other club has had to sell players to buy them for the half that period and just believed being in the premier league was enough. 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

3 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Since McMenemy left we’ve been conditioned this way though. Lack of ambition is the norm, survival is success mantra in the 90s, the Lowe era of having to fund signings from sales which carried on through the Liebherr era aside from the loony Italian getting carried away with his mates credit card. The Goa era with zero investment and being told we should just be grateful to be in the premier league and now our player trading club methodology where we pretty much know anyone half decent will be flogged to the highest bidder. 
 

no other club would accept it but then I doubt any other club has had a series of owners constantly telling the fans what a small club they are. Despite being a told flight club for 75% of the last 50 odd years no other club has had to sell players to buy them for the half that period and just believed being in the premier league was enough. 

It's the least I can do to dress as Biggles while singing Vera Lynn songs on my commute into work, in tribute to our brave, brave club. So plucky in the face of overwhelming adversity.

[sadoldgit]

56 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

How do you know when I'm on your ignore list?

Perhaps one of your other logins is counting them?

Why don’t you just stop stalking him and do us all a favour?

As I have tried to explain several times to the other serial stalker on here, perhaps try and understand how the ignore function works.

You see a greyed out box with the ignored persons name on it when they post. If it appears under your last post there is a reasonably good chance that post refers to your last post.

If you click that box it gives you three options - show this post - stop ignoring posts by xxxx - change your ignore preferences. So it is entirely possible to have someone on ignore but chose to read a post of theirs if you so wish on occasions.

Posts from people on your ignore list still show up on your screen when someone else quotes them so the ignore function is not foolproof. 

As you are one of the serial stalkers on here I suggest that you put the people who trigger you (me being one of those) on your ignore list and find another hobby.
 

[Midfield_General]

I haven’t been keeping up but I was surprised to see the Middle East being brought up in a thread about Russell Martin. 

I know he’s made a few questionable decisions but it seems a bit harsh to blame him for the situation in Gaza. 

Edited Monday at 08:44 by Midfield_General

[Miltonaggro]

11 minutes ago, Midfield_General said:

I haven’t been keeping up but I was surprised to see the Middle East being brought up in a thread about Russell Martin. 

I know he’s made a few questionable decisions but it seems a bit harsh to blame him for the situation in Gaza. 

The beard has been growing half an inch a month since September. Lucy in a burka next 

[Farmer Saint]

42 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Why don’t you just stop stalking him and do us all a favour?

As I have tried to explain several times to the other serial stalker on here, perhaps try and understand how the ignore function works.

You see a greyed out box with the ignored persons name on it when they post. If it appears under your last post there is a reasonably good chance that post refers to your last post.

If you click that box it gives you three options - show this post - stop ignoring posts by xxxx - change your ignore preferences. So it is entirely possible to have someone on ignore but chose to read a post of theirs if you so wish on occasions.

Posts from people on your ignore list still show up on your screen when someone else quotes them so the ignore function is not foolproof. 

As you are one of the serial stalkers on here I suggest that you put the people who trigger you (me being one of those) on your ignore list and find another hobby.
 

Exactly this - I've literally only seen the posts that have been quoted - which is quite funny really as I presume he thinks we've been having conversations 🤣 Be very interested to hear who he thinks my other logins are though - I'm assuming he can't come up with anyone but I would love to know who he's comparing me too.

Edited Monday at 09:14 by Farmer Saint

[sadoldgit]

40 minutes ago, Midfield_General said:

I haven’t been keeping up but I was surprised to see the Middle East being brought up in a thread about Russell Martin. 

I know he’s made a few questionable decisions but it seems a bit harsh to blame him for the situation in Gaza. 

Hamas have made a rod for their own back by trying to play out from a tight defensive  area. They have left themselves vulnerable to attack and are getting pounded as a result. It’s all down to the RM playbook.

[Farmer Saint]

13 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Hamas have made a rod for their own back by trying to play out from a tight defensive  area. They have left themselves vulnerable to attack and are getting pounded as a result. It’s all down to the RM playbook.

And yet the Israeli's are trying their hardest to take it out on the ballboys.

[sadoldgit]

20 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

And yet the Israeli's are trying their hardest to take it out on the ballboys.

Along with the cordoned off area for the disabled.

[Oldandtired]

2 hours ago, Farmer Saint said:

But he loves me - he takes considerable time out of his weekend family time to follow me around and post about me. It's beautiful.

for most of us on here it's not I would suggest. It's boring and unnecessary, if you need to carry on this playground behaviour why not do it by direct messaging not in public.

Edited Monday at 10:05 by Oldandtired

[Farmer Saint]

11 minutes ago, Oldandtired said:

for most of us on here it's not I would suggest. It's boring and unnecessary, if you need to carry on this playground behaviour why not do it by direct messaging not in public.

I was being sarcastic - yes I agree, he just needs to stop following me about. I tend to post about a plethora of subjects, whereas he seemingly just follows me around badmouthing me - whenever I post within about 10 minutes I see that grey box with his name on it. It's very frustrating and annoying for everyone I can imagine. Anyway, let's not dwell anymore on it. If he continues he will only continue to draw ire from other posters trying to discuss how shit Russell Martin is.

Edited Monday at 10:14 by Farmer Saint

[Turkish]

Ignore them lads, some of us love a good forum spat, it's like a throw back to the old days of wangy eyed Romsey Stu offering to meet people for a chat every time he fell out with them. Keep up the good work boys.

[Lord Duckhunter]

Let’s get this back on topic, the lounge should be the place for some of this pony.

 

The question I’m thinking is “if not now, when”. It’s inconceivable that they think Lego can remain in charge if he relegates us. All goodwill will be lost & they would have to make a change early into the following season if there’s a dodgy start. 
 

It’s inconceivable they haven’t given themselves a timeframe for results to improve by, and inconceivable they haven’t identified a preferred alternative. I can only hope behind the scenes they are ready to act and act decisively when they do reach that trigger point. 

Edited Monday at 10:45 by Lord Duckhunter

[Sarnia Cherie]

4 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Let’s get this back on topic, the lounge should be the place for some of this pony.

 

The question I’m thinking is “if not now, when”. It’s inconceivable that they think Lego can remain in charge if he relegates us. All goodwill will be lost & they would have to make a change early into the following season if there’s a dodgy start. 
 

It’s inconceivable they haven’t given themselves a timeframe for results to improve by, and inconceivable they haven’t identified a preferred alternative. I can only hope behind the scenes they are ready to act and act decisively when they do reach that trigger point. 

I wonder if SR have the money they would need to pay off his contract which runs to the summer of 2027.  It would cost several million, surely. 

[Osvaldorama]

I think he’s here for the season regardless now, it seems quite clear the hierarchy at the club are infatuated with him. 
 

Feels like the ship has sailed to replace him at this point. 

[gio1saints]

11 hours ago, verlaine1979 said:

Based on how rarely Dibling's runs seem to trigger any sort of organised surge of support, I'm pretty confident that when he takes on 3 players and muscles through he's doing it on instinct rather than instruction. The idea that Martin's strategy basically amounts to "hey, 99 times out of 100 we'll piss about with it at the back and never get over the half way line, but then twice a game we'll let our 18 year old have a run with it" is asinine. We're a shit passing team that has a rogue teenager who made himself undroppable early in the season.

Sounds pretty much like the way Saints treated MLT back in the day - just give him the ball let him do whatever he wants with it - the rest of you run around more so he can rest and prepare in/between doing genius stuff! Although TD version of Inbetween genius stuff usually amounts to getting a yellow for shirt pulling - five already this season! 

Having the level of uncertainty that TD brings- and that of MF let’s not forget who though less flashy still has clearly got @extra@ in him, has made a big difference to our game. And to opponents plans to thwart that “shit passing game” you mentioned. TD is often doubled and trebled up when he gets the ball - and that’s not happened for a long time on a Saints player. It most certainly releases space for others at the very least. 
 

I personally think that there was hope and a plan that Charlie, Sam E, Amo or Kameldeen were also able to be that kind of player - but only Tyler - and MF to a degree - have managed it. The rest of our squad, though decent professionals, hardworking and loyal, do not , so far, despite having good intentions, have that higher level of extra “class@ in their locker - only KWP and Aaron deserve the “good EPL player “ tag imo apart from the two kids. The rest - perhaps THB is pushing to join those four - are certainly, and rightly, bottom end of the EPL standard, more accurately described as good/ decent Championship players in the main. Just because you playing in the EPL does not make you an EPL player. It’s quite obvious many of our players are simply not able to raise there standard. 
Instead- we are blessed with the two talents and just have to hope that the “water carriers “ put in as much work as possible to allow the talents to make things happen. 

[Oldandtired]

It could well be true that we will have a decent Championship squad of players for when (in my mind) the  inevitable happens. The question is will these players thrive if RM survives as manager. His mantra is ‘no change’  so for other managers perhaps it will be like re- reading a book or watching Game of Thrones for the seventh time.

They will surely know how it acts out and how it ends. For this reason I am perhaps not so optimistic as others about life in the Championship.

Edited Monday at 11:06 by Oldandtired

[Farmer Saint]

16 minutes ago, Sarnia Cherie said:

I wonder if SR have the money they would need to pay off his contract which runs to the summer of 2027.  It would cost several million, surely. 

I don't think it's SR not having the money - I feel like investment is not the issue. I would think it may be PSR as it is a loss against this year's accounts.

[Oldandtired]

Just now, Farmer Saint said:

I don't think it's SR not having the money - I feel like investment is not the issue. I would think it may be PSR as it is a loss against this year's accounts.

Doesn’t the promotion money come into this year’s accounts? I haven’t a clue how PSR works but would have thought that that has to be a factor somewhere along the line.

[Lord Duckhunter]

20 minutes ago, Sarnia Cherie said:

I wonder if SR have the money they would need to pay off his contract which runs to the summer of 2027.  It would cost several million, surely. 

Maybe they’re waiting for a sale in the Jan window to offset that. Not sure how managers salary, pay off or compo for replacement affects profitability rules. It’s seems unbelievable that a multi million pound company would penny pinch over the most important role in the business. It has to be they’ve drunk the Lego kool aid or PSR issue. 

Edited Monday at 11:11 by Lord Duckhunter

[Bob60]

Funnily enough Adam Blackmore suggested in his podcast on Friday that he expected a club statement on the season so far etc on Saturday or over the weekend. 

He later said it didn't look like it was going to happen. 

Who knows what they were going to say but maybe Brighton changed it?

[Holmes_and_Watson]

3 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

I don't think it's SR not having the money - I feel like investment is not the issue. I would think it may be PSR as it is a loss against this year's accounts.

When we go down, that's going to limit what we can spend on baseline PSR (unless the rules change). Somewhere around a 57 million mark across 3 seasons. Giving away 12 of that to RM is a significant percentage, which would have to be offset by player sales etc.

To those who think we can stay up, with a different manager, then that would be worth the risk.

I can only imagine that SR:-

Aren't prepared to take the financial hit.

Or Have given RM the season, if not more, before any break clauses kick in, or his contract is reduced enough to take the hit.

Or are seeing things they like in the underlying data, and are actually willing to build that up over a few seasons under RM (a very rare project job that's given the time). And RM will be able to point to some things, if SR have bought into this approach (and RM successfully hides what's happening with Pep, who they aspire to be)

In addition:

Are aware, that despite lots of investment, the squad is missing 2 key first team roles as well as being weak yet still bloated.

Are also happy they have sell on players in Fernandes, THB and Dibling meeting one of their core criteria.

 

[sadoldgit]

24 minutes ago, Oldandtired said:

It could well be true that we will have a decent Championship squad of players for when (in my mind) the  inevitable happens. The question is will these players thrive if RM survives as manager. His mantra is ‘no change’  so for other managers perhaps it will be like re- reading a book or watching Game of Thrones for the seventh time.

They will surely know how it acts out and how it ends. For this reason I am perhaps not so optimistic as others about life in the Championship.

If it works out the same way cheer up, we will go back up with a great day at Wembley!

[Farmer Saint]

28 minutes ago, Oldandtired said:

Doesn’t the promotion money come into this year’s accounts? I haven’t a clue how PSR works but would have thought that that has to be a factor somewhere along the line.

It does, but we spent a lot, have increased wage costs (although not hugely), and the promotion money is variable. We also lost out on the parachute payments. It's a total amount over 3 years (£105m loss - although less for us as we had a season in the Championship) so would take into account the mad spending of 2022-2023 and higher wages of that season, multiple sacked managers etc.

I'm unsure if this is fully down to PSR in all honesty as I know we did enquire about Managers post Leicester.

Edited Monday at 11:38 by Farmer Saint

[Farmer Saint]

26 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Maybe they’re waiting for a sale in the Jan window to offset that. Not sure how managers salary, pay off or compo for replacement affects profitability rules. It’s seems unbelievable that a multi million pound company would penny pinch over the most important role in the business. It has to be they’ve drunk the Lego kool aid or PSR issue. 

So the sacking I think goes against this year, dependant on the contract in place (single or phased payoff).

[Oldandtired]

10 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

If it works out the same way cheer up, we will go back up with a great day at Wembley!

If…(see what I did there…)

[Farmer Saint]

18 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

When we go down, that's going to limit what we can spend on baseline PSR (unless the rules change). Somewhere around a 57 million mark across 3 seasons. Giving away 12 of that to RM is a significant percentage, which would have to be offset by player sales etc.

To those who think we can stay up, with a different manager, then that would be worth the risk.

I can only imagine that SR:-

Aren't prepared to take the financial hit.

Or Have given RM the season, if not more, before any break clauses kick in, or his contract is reduced enough to take the hit.

Or are seeing things they like in the underlying data, and are actually willing to build that up over a few seasons under RM (a very rare project job that's given the time). And RM will be able to point to some things, if SR have bought into this approach (and RM successfully hides what's happening with Pep, who they aspire to be)

In addition:

Are aware, that despite lots of investment, the squad is missing 2 key first team roles as well as being weak yet still bloated.

Are also happy they have sell on players in Fernandes, THB and Dibling meeting one of their core criteria.

 

If we get relegated, and this is the scary one, our PSR liability for loss reduce to £61m (this season it is £83m rather than the full £105m) over the 3 seasons for last season, this season and next season. That's because in the Championship you are only allowed a loss of £13m. This could mean we may start with a points deduction next season if we are overzealous in our spending this year.

That's where you have to be so clever with the accounting periods now.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

Just now, Farmer Saint said:

If we get relegated, and this is the scary one, our PSR liability for loss reduce to £61m (this season it is £83m rather than the full £105m) over the 3 seasons for last season, this season and next season. That's because in the Championship you are only allowed a loss of £13m. This could mean we may start with a points deduction next season if we are overzealous in our spending this year.

That's where you have to be so clever with the accounting periods now.

I was using a figure of 11 million for a Champ season. So, we've already gained 4 million! Things are looking up. 🙂

[Mr X]

15 hours ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

Not because we put in a couple of reasonable performances . Because the board are ignoring the fact we are doing utterly shite and have only had three games we haven’t lost ..

No other premiership club would accept this 

Exactly this, reasonable performances are all good and well but in our case they don't put enough points on the board and Russells claims that we are just unlucky every game only goes so far! No other team has been as unlucky as us 

[Toussaint]

4 hours ago, Farmer Saint said:

I was being sarcastic - yes I agree, he just needs to stop following me about. I tend to post about a plethora of subjects, whereas he seemingly just follows me around badmouthing me - whenever I post within about 10 minutes I see that grey box with his name on it. It's very frustrating and annoying for everyone I can imagine. Anyway, let's not dwell anymore on it. If he continues he will only continue to draw ire from other posters trying to discuss how shit Russell Martin is.

You could always try being the bigger man and stop reacting?

[sadoldgit]

1 hour ago, Mr X said:

Exactly this, reasonable performances are all good and well but in our case they don't put enough points on the board and Russells claims that we are just unlucky every game only goes so far! No other team has been as unlucky as us 

We haven’t had a lot of luck so far this season, but we have also gifted goals and have been shocking. All in all, it’s been a poor show. You shouldn’t have to rely on luck.

[Lee On Solent Saint]

5 hours ago, Osvaldorama said:

I think he’s here for the season regardless now, it seems quite clear the hierarchy at the club are infatuated with him. 
 

Feels like the ship has sailed to replace him at this point. 

Hard not to disagree with this. SR, for whatever reason seem to think that Martin is a the Holy Trinity, Mother Teresa and Ghandi rolled into one. The only hope is that we go down with a tiny bit of dignity, avoiding that record low points total. The close season will be an interesting one. 

[notnowcato]

47 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

Hard not to disagree with this. SR, for whatever reason seem to think that Martin is a the Holy Trinity, Mother Teresa and Ghandi rolled into one. The only hope is that we go down with a tiny bit of dignity, avoiding that record low points total. The close season will be an interesting one. 

FFS get a grip, none of them have any top flight management experience, I’ll wait to hear what Swansea fans think first though 😂

[Lee On Solent Saint]

15 minutes ago, notnowcato said:

FFS get a grip, none of them have any top flight management experience, I’ll wait to hear what Swansea fans think first though 😂

I'll think you'll find Jesus nailed the Israeli League

[lambtiss]

10 hours ago, Turkish said:

Since McMenemy left we’ve been conditioned this way though. Lack of ambition is the norm, survival is success mantra in the 90s, the Lowe era of having to fund signings from sales which carried on through the Liebherr era aside from the loony Italian getting carried away with his mates credit card. The Goa era with zero investment and being told we should just be grateful to be in the premier league and now our player trading club methodology where we pretty much know anyone half decent will be flogged to the highest bidder. 
 

no other club would accept it but then I doubt any other club has had a series of owners constantly telling the fans what a small club they are. Despite being a told flight club for 75% of the last 50 odd years no other club has had to sell players to buy them for the half that period and just believed being in the premier league was enough. 

Great post Turkish 

[lambtiss]

1 hour ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

Hard not to disagree with this. SR, for whatever reason seem to think that Martin is a the Holy Trinity, Mother Teresa and Ghandi rolled into one. The only hope is that we go down with a tiny bit of dignity, avoiding that record low points total. The close season will be an interesting one. 

"He's not the Messiah. He's a very naughty boy"