Russell Martin

[Farmer Saint]

9 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said:

You said ‘could have beaten. We were some way off that.

 

9 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said:

You said ‘could have beaten. We were some way off that.

We made 3 very, very poor mistakes. We should have had at least a point, and we could have beaten them, for sure, if it weren't for the piss poor defensive mistakes we made.

[Whitey Grandad]

9 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

 

We made 3 very, very poor mistakes. We should have had at least a point, and we could have beaten them, for sure, if it weren't for the piss poor defensive mistakes we made.

But that’s exactly the point. We made the mistakes. We lost.

[Harry_SFC]

There have certainly been more positive signs in the last two games but it needs to be translated into wins now.

The Chelsea game is a bit of a write off given the side we will put put out but Villa are in poor form - there's no reason we can't go there and give them a real game (IF we can play like we did in the 2nd half last night) 

[Farmer Saint]

9 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

But that’s exactly the point. We made the mistakes. We lost.

I know we did - I'm not the saying we didn't lose. What I said was without those mistakes we could have won. Not sure what is so controversial about that statement.

[Farmer Saint]

9 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said:

There have certainly been more positive signs in the last two games but it needs to be translated into wins now.

The Chelsea game is a bit of a write off given the side we will put put out but Villa are in poor form - there's no reason we can't go there and give them a real game (IF we can play like we did in the 2nd half last night) 

Yeah, Villa fan mate of mine said he was quite worried looking at how we played last night and against Liverpool.

[OldNick]

1 hour ago, CB Fry said:

Sheffield United won again.

Them sacking their manager on 5th December last year continues to pay dividends.

As a wise person on this forum said in regard to SUFC "everything that happened before the new manager was appointed is irrelevant".

That could be us. Yes relegation is secured - but a bright future and an irrelevant recent past is in touching distance.

Great CB so who do you suggest will come? Potter wouldnt go to Leicester so he wont us, January transfer window is notoriously expensive and difficult. Therefore what manager will want to take this squad on, knowing that paying off RM will take most of our budget. People mention Moyes

On 22 May 2017, Moyes resigned as Sunderland manager after the club finished bottom of the Premier League

So no quick fixes out there. 

Grin and bear it, we are improving, the fans last night were superb and behind the team all game. RM is tweaking the team and learning, therefore I will stick with him although not fully convinced.

[CB Fry]

1 hour ago, OldNick said:

Great CB so who do you suggest will come? Potter wouldnt go to Leicester so he wont us, January transfer window is notoriously expensive and difficult. Therefore what manager will want to take this squad on, knowing that paying off RM will take most of our budget. People mention Moyes

On 22 May 2017, Moyes resigned as Sunderland manager after the club finished bottom of the Premier League

So no quick fixes out there. 

Grin and bear it, we are improving, the fans last night were superb and behind the team all game. RM is tweaking the team and learning, therefore I will stick with him although not fully convinced.

How about we sack Martin and then you can grin and bear that?

We're relegated anyway now so it's all about next season.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

1 hour ago, OldNick said:

Great CB so who do you suggest will come? Potter wouldnt go to Leicester so he wont us, January transfer window is notoriously expensive and difficult. Therefore what manager will want to take this squad on, knowing that paying off RM will take most of our budget. People mention Moyes

On 22 May 2017, Moyes resigned as Sunderland manager after the club finished bottom of the Premier League

So no quick fixes out there. 

Grin and bear it, we are improving, the fans last night were superb and behind the team all game. RM is tweaking the team and learning, therefore I will stick with him although not fully convinced.

Unless you are a confidante of Potter you have no idea why he turned down the Leicester job but, even if he can't be persuaded, it does not make sense to not sack a poor manager because you think you can't do better. We are going down with Martin so we literally can't do any worse and do you really want to watch tippy tappy football in the Championship again? You say we are improving. In the immortal words of a certain tennis player "you cannot be serious"? Our first half display last night was awful and Brighton should have been out of sight. Damn right RM is "tweaking" the team - that's part of the problem. No one really knows what his best team is. Finally you say he is "learning". Really? I see no evidence of that whatsoever. I suspect you just made that up to suit your very weak argument. You never were a boat rocker.

[SaintsBarry74]

26 minutes ago, Fitzhugh Fella said:

Unless you are a confidante of Potter you have no idea why he turned down the Leicester job but, even if he can't be persuaded, it does not make sense to not sack a poor manager because you think you can't do better. We are going down with Martin so we literally can't do any worse and do you really want to watch tippy tappy football in the Championship again? You say we are improving. In the immortal words of a certain tennis player "you cannot be serious"? Our first half display last night was awful and Brighton should have been out of sight. Damn right RM is "tweaking" the team - that's part of the problem. No one really knows what his best team is. Finally you say he is "learning". Really? I see no evidence of that whatsoever. I suspect you just made that up to suit your very weak argument. You never were a boat rocker.

Potter is still getting paid by Chelsea for the next 18 months. If he finds a job he will lose that paycheck.

[OldNick]

44 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

How about we sack Martin and then you can grin and bear that?

We're relegated anyway now so it's all about next season.

We are not relegated yet, probably will be but..

Now tell us who you think should come in?

[OldNick]

29 minutes ago, Fitzhugh Fella said:

Unless you are a confidante of Potter you have no idea why he turned down the Leicester job but, even if he can't be persuaded, it does not make sense to not sack a poor manager because you think you can't do better. We are going down with Martin so we literally can't do any worse and do you really want to watch tippy tappy football in the Championship again? You say we are improving. In the immortal words of a certain tennis player "you cannot be serious"? Our first half display last night was awful and Brighton should have been out of sight. Damn right RM is "tweaking" the team - that's part of the problem. No one really knows what his best team is. Finally you say he is "learning". Really? I see no evidence of that whatsoever. I suspect you just made that up to suit your very weak argument. You never were a boat rocker.

Well you think he's a poor manager, so a subjective viewpoint. Iam not fully in the in or out camp with him, but I know your previous history with people at Saints that if they give you the wrong glance you are at them and niggling away. I dont care for the tippy tappy football , and Peps version is dull for long periods  but I support the team and can see that we are hamstrung with a top Championship squad trying to survive in the PL.

If you seriously believe Potter, whose stock is still high is going to risk it at a team that 95% certain to go down, then you the most 'boat-rocking' fan we have,  then good luck to you in your fantasy world. If Potter comes then I will be more than happy to come on here and with capital letters offer a grovelling apology to you. Something I very much doubt  that you would do with your own thoughts of your own grandeur

[CB Fry]

18 minutes ago, OldNick said:

We are not relegated yet, probably will be but..

Now tell us who you think should come in?

No idea. Not my job. And I'm not naming names just for you rubbish them.

What I want is our current manager, already one of the worst managers in the history of the Premier League, to leave immediately.

We lose nothing if he goes because he is fucking dreadful.

 

Edited 30 November, 2024 by CB Fry

[OldNick]

13 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

No idea. Not my job. And I'm not naming names just for you rubbish them.

What I want is our current manager, already one of the worst managers in the history of the Premier League, to leave immediately.

We lose nothing if he goes because he is fucking dreadful.

 

That is fair CB, although I doubt like me you know/think of one who would come and change our fortunes at this moment in time. The Aberdeen manager is doing well but like most I doubt he wants almost certain relegation on his CV

It looks to me that the players are not downing tools as they did with a few of our previous managers

[Farmer Saint]

10 minutes ago, OldNick said:

That is fair CB, although I doubt like me you know/think of one who would come and change our fortunes at this moment in time. The Aberdeen manager is doing well but like most I doubt he wants almost certain relegation on his CV

It looks to me that the players are not downing tools as they did with a few of our previous managers

I also thought when we sacked Ralph we couldn't do any worse. Was massively wrong then.

[OldNick]

13 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

I also thought when we sacked Ralph we couldn't do any worse. Was massively wrong then.

I still believe we were right getting rid of him, but the choice to replace was poor

[Lord Duckhunter]

4 hours ago, Harry_SFC said:

there's no reason we can't go there and give them a real game

I can think of one reason. 
 

 

 

[CB Fry]

When we got rid of Ralph it was obvious we could get someone worse. Ralph, overall, did a terrific job in tough circumstances.

He'd run out of steam and it was right to sack him but entirely possible his replacement could be worse.

None of us knew quite how much worse.

 

It's ridiculous to compare to this situation. Martin is appalling, he's already worse than Mad Nathan anyway. A single win in 13 is appalling on all levels. 

He's not fit to lace Hasenhuttl's boots and the comparison is nonsensical.

Our scenario now is like replacing Felix Magath or Bob Bradley or Frank De Boer, the dog shit of the dog shit. The dregs of the worst managers in the league's history.

 

[OldNick]

21 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

When we got rid of Ralph it was obvious we could get someone worse. Ralph, overall, did a terrific job in tough circumstances.

He'd run out of steam and it was right to sack him but entirely possible his replacement could be worse.

None of us knew quite how much worse.

 

It's ridiculous to compare to this situation. Martin is appalling, he's already worse than Mad Nathan anyway. A single win in 13 is appalling on all levels. 

He's not fit to lace Hasenhuttl's boots and the comparison is nonsensical.

Our scenario now is like replacing Felix Magath or Bob Bradley or Frank De Boer, the dog shit of the dog shit. The dregs of the worst managers in the league's history.

 

Well at present he hasnt overseen 2 yes 2  9-0 defeats. Ralph is overrated, I just despair thinking about the FA cup semi final and the absoute rubbish performance he oversaw.

[Whitey Grandad]

4 hours ago, Farmer Saint said:

I know we did - I'm not the saying we didn't lose. What I said was without those mistakes we could have won. Not sure what is so controversial about that statement.

I’m afraid you can’t pick and choose which elements of the game you’d like to use to support your argument.

[Whitey Grandad]

6 minutes ago, OldNick said:

Well at present he hasnt overseen 2 yes 2  9-0 defeats. Ralph is overrated, I just despair thinking about the FA cup semi final and the absoute rubbish performance he oversaw.

But didn’t we have wins before and after those defeats? We’ve already lost 10 out of 13 this season and our goal difference is -15. Which is worse, the occasional 9-0 or the regular comfortable defeats?
 

[OldNick]

2 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

But didn’t we have wins before and after those defeats? We’ve already lost 10 out of 13 this season and our goal difference is -15. Which is worse, the occasional 9-0 or the regular comfortable defeats?
 

I would think it is fair to say that RH had the advantage of a club that had 10 years experience of the PL, and so very good players. I myself feel that the humiliation of 9-0) is worse as I understand the limitations of the squad and also the run of bad luck with VAR 

[Whitey Grandad]

Just now, OldNick said:

I would think it is fair to say that RH had the advantage of a club that had 10 years experience of the PL, and so very good players. I myself feel that the humiliation of 9-0) is worse as I understand the limitations of the squad and also the run of bad luck with VAR 

I was at the home game against Leicester and you may well have been too. That game went seriously downhill after Mike Dean on VAR stuck his nose in where it wasn’t wanted or needed. That was never a red card.

[OldNick]

Just now, Whitey Grandad said:

I was at the home game against Leicester and you may well have been too. That game went seriously downhill after Mike Dean on VAR stuck his nose in where it wasn’t wanted or needed. That was never a red card.

Subjective decision, exactly what we are debating about last night. Still shouldn't oversee a 9-0 defeat as we were down to 10 men

[tdmickey3]

6 hours ago, Farmer Saint said:

It's not going to happen, anytime soon, especially with the way we've played in the last 2 games.

Ridiculous but that’s how it is.

Miserably pathetic points total in the end

[tdmickey3]

1 hour ago, OldNick said:

That is fair CB, although I doubt like me you know/think of one who would come and change our fortunes at this moment in time. The Aberdeen manager is doing well but like most I doubt he wants almost certain relegation on his CV

It looks to me that the players are not downing tools as they did with a few of our previous managers

No one downed tools so stop talking rubbish, they were managed by idiots just like we are now 

[OldNick]

Just now, tdmickey3 said:

No one downed tools so stop talking rubbish, they were managed by idiots just like we are now 

You have never been the most observant 

[CB Fry]

17 hours ago, OldNick said:

Well at present he hasnt overseen 2 yes 2  9-0 defeats. Ralph is overrated, I just despair thinking about the FA cup semi final and the absoute rubbish performance he oversaw.

He was and is miles better than Martin and has achieved more than Russell Martin ever has.

Edited 1 December, 2024 by CB Fry

[tdmickey3]

1 minute ago, OldNick said:

You have never been the most observant 

Well , I could make stuff up like you I guess

[OldNick]

1 minute ago, CB Fry said:

He was and is miles better than Martin and has achieved armored than Russell Martin ever has.

He has achieved more, but Im delighted he is not at St Marys any longer. As for RM i'm not concerned if he stays but as I have pointed out time and again, who will take the team on at this moment in time. IMO we have shown improvement and so that gives a glimmer of hope to me.

[OldNick]

2 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

Well , I could make stuff up like you I guess

I doubt you could, unless you can put laughing emojis up you're knackered.😀

 

[East Kent Saint]

If Saints are stuck with RM then I hope he can get a few wins , the players seem to be up for it , if only to be in the Prem shop window 🙂

[OldNick]

Put this on this thread as well just to stop the nonsense that their keeper was impeded

pic.x.com/jQU4OHv84d

[tdmickey3]

1 minute ago, OldNick said:

I doubt you could, unless you can put laughing emojis up you're knackered.😀

 

Laughing emojis or not I couldn’t care less what you think but I will call you out for re writing history and I will repeat no one Downed tools.

Perhaps your memory is not what it was, either that or you are doing it to suit you view.

Reply if you like but I’m done with arguing with you, the argument you make is a myth

[OldNick]

1 minute ago, tdmickey3 said:

Laughing emojis or not I couldn’t care less what you think but I will call you out for re writing history and I will repeat no one Downed tools.

Perhaps your memory is not what it was, either that or you are doing it to suit you view.

Reply if you like but I’m done with arguing with you, the argument you make is a myth

Believe what you want, the dressing room has been lost under previous managers.

[AlexLaw76]

That VAR decision was a fucking joke.

feel for Martin and the team, and I have been his biggest critic

 

[Weston Super Saint]

18 minutes ago, OldNick said:

He has achieved more, but Im delighted he is not at St Marys any longer. As for RM i'm not concerned if he stays but as I have pointed out time and again, who will take the team on at this moment in time. IMO we have shown improvement and so that gives a glimmer of hope to me.

There are 20 opportunities to manage in the PL every season (some of those won't even be realistic as clubs will stick with their manager). If half the clubs change manager that is still only 30 opportunities per season.

Are you really suggesting that from all the leagues throughout the world there is not one single, capable manager who would be willing to show what they can do in one of the most watched leagues in the world?

I don't buy it.

[FarehamSaintJames]

I can’t see him going now anytime soon, I imagine that’ll be him sticking around.

[OldNick]

1 minute ago, Weston Super Saint said:

There are 20 opportunities to manage in the PL every season (some of those won't even be realistic as clubs will stick with their manager). If half the clubs change manager that is still only 30 opportunities per season.

Are you really suggesting that from all the leagues throughout the world there is not one single, capable manager who would be willing to show what they can do in one of the most watched leagues in the world?

I don't buy it.

there are 1000's but how many have PL experience and able to save our position now? I assume youve put your Wembley stuff in the bin, thats all yesterdays news I suppose. I was there when LM took us down, thank god the club kept the faith as i would have never experienced the best days supporting our club

[Weston Super Saint]

4 minutes ago, OldNick said:

there are 1000's but how many have PL experience and able to save our position now? I assume youve put your Wembley stuff in the bin, thats all yesterdays news I suppose. I was there when LM took us down, thank god the club kept the faith as i would have never experienced the best days supporting our club

Lucky for you Martin isn't going anywhere.

Although he won't be our next LM, just in post a lot longer than the Welsh wonder.

How much PL experience did Poch have before he became a PL manager?

[Lord Duckhunter]

43 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

That VAR decision was a fucking joke.

 

 

It wasn’t VAR. 

[OldNick]

46 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Lucky for you Martin isn't going anywhere.

Although he won't be our next LM, just in post a lot longer than the Welsh wonder.

How much PL experience did Poch have before he became a PL manager?

I dont think he will be the next LM, I doubt there will ever be another. Its not lucky for me, its a case I accept I have no choice.

[CB Fry]

1 hour ago, Weston Super Saint said:

There are 20 opportunities to manage in the PL every season (some of those won't even be realistic as clubs will stick with their manager). If half the clubs change manager that is still only 30 opportunities per season.

Are you really suggesting that from all the leagues throughout the world there is not one single, capable manager who would be willing to show what they can do in one of the most watched leagues in the world?

I don't buy it.

Some people on this forum will make out that a) there is no one better anywhere and b) no one wants to come to us anyway in every scenario the club would ever find itself.

We're a Premier League club currently employing one of the worst managers this division has ever seen. a) yes of course we can get better than that and b) of course managers would take a Premier League job

Edited 30 November, 2024 by CB Fry

[OldNick]

20 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

Some people on this forum will make out that a) there is no one better anywhere and b) no one wants to come to us anyway in every scenario the club would ever find itself.

We're a Premier League club currently employing one of the worst managers this division has ever seen. a) yes of course we can get better than that and b) of course managers would take a Premier League job

Well as always you wont put your name to anybody, these saviours are everywhere it seems. You say we are a PL club but earlier you said we are relegated. Thats how we will be seen by all managers out there, its a mugs game to take our job. Plus as I said elsewhere most of our kitty will be gone with compo. 

 

Edited 30 November, 2024 by OldNick

[Farmer Saint]

11 minutes ago, OldNick said:

Well as always you wont put your name to anybody, these saviours are everywhere it seems. You say we are a PL club but earlier you said we are relegated. Thats how we will be seen by all managers out there, its a mugs game to take our job. Plus as I said elsewhere most of our kitty will be gone with compo. 

 

He speaks out both sides of his mouth too often, that's his issue. Spent the last 6 months saying we're not planning to be a yo-yo club, then describes a yo-yo club strategy as what we're doing. Never offers his own ideas, just criticises others for having opinions as his hyenas follow him, eating the shit that falls out of both sides of his mouth.

Hope you're well Nick 👍

[Dark Munster]

2 hours ago, OldNick said:

I would think it is fair to say that RH had the advantage of a club that had 10 years experience of the PL, and so very good players. I myself feel that the humiliation of 9-0) is worse as I understand the limitations of the squad and also the run of bad luck with VAR 

That’s no excuse for RM’s appalling tactics. Yesterday we may have played well for much of the second half (which incidentally shows we do have a squad that can compete if properly managed), but we were lucky Brighton didn’t punish us for a number of chances that AGAIN came from the insane tippy happy at the back while the opposition swarmed over us like flies over a turd. 

[sadoldgit]

Even Brighton, who are clearly a better team than us, nearly came unstuck a few times trying to play out from the back. The sooner this fad gets binned the better.

[CB Fry]

41 minutes ago, OldNick said:

Well as always you wont put your name to anybody, these saviours are everywhere it seems. You say we are a PL club but earlier you said we are relegated. Thats how we will be seen by all managers out there, its a mugs game to take our job. Plus as I said elsewhere most of our kitty will be gone with compo. 

 

We are relegated. We are a PL club. And one that someone can have a crack at and be a PL boss for (say) 24 games, more than half a season. Risk free. Being relegated won't be that guys fault, he'll be taking over from one of the absolute worst dog shit managers in the history of the league. 

Edited 30 November, 2024 by CB Fry

[tdmickey3]

It’s incredible how some on here are so accepting of relegation with this fool they will want him to try it again, sadly for them this won’t happen.

[CB Fry]

30 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

He speaks out both sides of his mouth too often, that's his issue. Spent the last 6 months saying we're not planning to be a yo-yo club, then describes a yo-yo club strategy as what we're doing. Never offers his own ideas, just criticises others for having opinions as his hyenas follow him, eating the shit that falls out of both sides of his mouth.

Hope you're well Nick 👍

We don't need to do this again.

One of my fundamental roles on this forum is when I see someone giving it large on here and claiming to be proved right on stuff he apparently said 18 months ago....my role in that is to say in my view you haven't been right about anything and that you're full of shit.

[Farmer Saint]

6 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

We don't need to do this again.

One of my fundamental roles on this forum is when I see someone giving it large on here and claiming to be proved right on stuff he apparently said 18 months ago....my role in that is to say in my view you haven't been right about anything and that you're full of shit.

But you think my theory about yo-yo club is correct, don't you?

Self-styled forum enforcer though 🤣🤣🤣

Edited 30 November, 2024 by Farmer Saint